• On tipping for coffee

    From Lenona@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 18:55:55 2025
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%, respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like
    she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.


    A: When it comes to tipping, which is supposed to be a compliment, it is
    almost impossible not to insult someone somehow.

    I once found myself giving offense by tipping a hotel worker for storing
    my luggage. It seems that he was a manager, and thus above accepting
    tips — a stance I admire but rarely encounter.

    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Lenona on Thu Mar 13 19:20:19 2025
    On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 18:55:55 +0000, Lenona wrote:

    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%, respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.


    A: When it comes to tipping, which is supposed to be a compliment, it is almost impossible not to insult someone somehow.

    I once found myself giving offense by tipping a hotel worker for storing
    my luggage. It seems that he was a manager, and thus above accepting
    tips — a stance I admire but rarely encounter.

    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.


    <YAWN>

    :-\

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    GM

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Lenona on Thu Mar 13 15:35:59 2025
    On 3/13/2025 2:55 PM, Lenona wrote:
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%, respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.

    What you're missing is people expect TIPS for no good reason.

    These people are paid a minimum wage. They earn more than tipped wage
    workers so they have no reason to expect you to tip them for handing you
    a coffee. But many POS (Point of Sale) systems these days build in tip
    amounts at checkout. You can always decline. Do you really care if the barista glared at you? All she did was push a button on a machine, fill
    a cup and hand you a coffee. She wasn't out there harvesting the coffee
    beans.

    It's also ridiculous to expect to be charged tips at automatic kiosks
    where there is not a person actually doing anything to provide service,
    too, but it happens. Guess what? Just because it appears on the screen
    at checkout doesn't mean you have to select an amount and tip a
    non-existent person. Or a person who merely handed you a coffee.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Mar 13 15:58:40 2025
    On 2025-03-13 3:35 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 2:55 PM, Lenona wrote:
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was
    presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%,
    respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or
    otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like
    she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job >> doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.

    What you're missing is people expect TIPS for no good reason.

    These people are paid a minimum wage.  They earn more than tipped wage workers so they have no reason to expect you to tip them for handing you
    a coffee.  But many POS (Point of Sale) systems these days build in tip amounts at checkout.  You can always decline.  Do you really care if the barista glared at you?  All she did was push a button on a machine, fill
    a cup and hand you a coffee.  She wasn't out there harvesting the coffee beans.

    If it is a specialty coffee there is more work than that involved. They
    grind the beans fresh, tamp them down, get a shot of espresso, froth the
    milk and then have to add the right proportions. That is labour
    intensive work.... and you are already paying for it. You are paying
    $2-3 more for that drink than for a regular coffee so you are paying for
    that labour.




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  • From Lenona@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 20:05:01 2025
    I should have included quotation marks, I guess, but I thought the Q and
    A made it clear that I got this from elsewhere. (Mercury News.)

    I.e., I wasn't the one asking the question. (I don't drink coffee,
    anyway.)

    But I admit, I USED to get confused even before the automatic screens
    existed. That was because it was rare for me to go to some place and buy takeout food to begin with, so I wasn't quite aware that one doesn't
    have to tip a restaurant when there's no waiter or driver. Even though
    there was a SPACE on the paper bill, for a tip.

    (Nowadays, people have to be reminded that just because the screen is
    there, it doesn't mean that a tip is appropriate.)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Lenona on Thu Mar 13 16:23:42 2025
    On 3/13/2025 2:55 PM, Lenona wrote:
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%, respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.


    A: When it comes to tipping, which is supposed to be a compliment, it is almost impossible not to insult someone somehow.

    I once found myself giving offense by tipping a hotel worker for storing
    my luggage. It seems that he was a manager, and thus above accepting
    tips — a stance I admire but rarely encounter.

    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.

    Easy decision for me. I'd hand her a $5 bill, grab the coffee and go.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Lenona on Thu Mar 13 16:45:17 2025
    Lenona wrote:
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%, respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my job doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.


    A: When it comes to tipping, which is supposed to be a compliment, it is almost impossible not to insult someone somehow.

    I once found myself giving offense by tipping a hotel worker for storing
    my luggage. It seems that he was a manager, and thus above accepting
    tips — a stance I admire but rarely encounter.

    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.

    So, will you go back to that place again? If so, you deserve the
    treatment you get. It's what they do. Part of their business model.

    You could buy yourself a cheap coffeemaker, a bag of decent coffee, and
    a thermos bottle. You'd never have to put up with that fru-fru shit
    again. Coffee isn't that damn hard to make.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 13 16:47:49 2025
    Ed P wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 2:55 PM, Lenona wrote:
    Q: I bought a drink at a coffee shop that came to $4.22 with tax. I was
    presented with three tip options: $1, $2 or $3 — 25%, 50% or 75%,
    respectively.

    Since there weren’t any seats left in the shop, and therefore I was
    taking my coffee to go (thus reducing the need to clean off a table or
    otherwise deal with my presence in the store), I tipped $1 (25%).

    The barista glared at me as though I’d insulted her, and looked like
    she’d been slapped in the face.

    What am I missing? I realize coffee shop workers aren’t rich, but my
    job
    doesn’t pay extravagant wages, either. I tip more when I consume my
    drink in the shop, or when I pose some kind of inconvenience to the
    staff.


    A: When it comes to tipping, which is supposed to be a compliment, it is
    almost impossible not to insult someone somehow.

    I once found myself giving offense by tipping a hotel worker for storing
    my luggage. It seems that he was a manager, and thus above accepting
    tips — a stance I admire but rarely encounter.

    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.

    Easy decision for me.  I'd hand her a $5 bill, grab the coffee and go.

    Only $5? Damn, I'd expect you to at least shove her a $50.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Lenona on Fri Mar 14 20:49:58 2025
    Lenona wrote:
    ...
    The tip I will give you is to tip in cash. Doing it electronically, and
    in full view of the other party, is designed to shame the customer into
    being more generous than intended. Better not to fall for it.

    i don't buy expensive coffee to begin with.

    water works better for me.


    songbird

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