• Tragedy averted

    From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 17:14:44 2025
    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the
    circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one
    tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8%
    of 1 star.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 24 17:32:11 2025
    On 2025-03-24 5:14 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning.  It looked OK, but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again.  Popped the circuit breaker!  Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible.  If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel.  Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes.  Amazon brings the new one tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years.  Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach.  The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8%
    of 1 star.

    I have a Breville toaster that has been great. I don't know what kind of
    life to expect from it because I got it early in the pandemic, back in
    the days when we could get pick up only. I had to order it online and
    then wait for it to be delivered or drive to Hamilton to pick it up. It
    has multiple functions like bagel, frozen, "a little more" and the
    doneness adjustment is extremely reliable.

    I semi retired it yesterday because I upgrade my air fryer and the new
    one has a toaster function, which has also a very reliable timer. I have
    only made toast in it twice and it came out perfectly both times.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 24 21:57:42 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the
    circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8%
    of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 25 09:47:34 2025
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the
    circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one
    tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8%
    of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 25 20:51:13 2025
    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:49:03 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 09:47:34 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton ><chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.

    Youse are extremely specific people.

    Actually, youse remind me of that celebrity who asked hotel staff to
    get him M&Ms. BUT ONLY BLUE ONES!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Tue Mar 25 20:49:03 2025
    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 09:47:34 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.

    Youse are extremely specific people.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 11:53:01 2025
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Never by bagels made with metal filings! This happens all the time with
    those.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one tomorrow.

    Excellent!

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8% of 1 star.

    Please carry on!

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 25 13:21:08 2025
    On 2025-03-25, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 09:47:34 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.

    Youse are extremely specific people.

    Why settle for something I don't like?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 25 09:26:44 2025
    On 2025-03-25 5:47 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but >>> I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the
    circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one
    tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8% >>> of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.



    Trade it in for a Breville. Mine turned out nice even results every
    time. I reluctantly put it away to make room for the new air fry that
    has a toaster function.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 25 10:53:17 2025
    On 3/25/2025 10:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 5:47 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but >>>>> I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the >>>>> circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find >>>>> someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while >>>>> still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one >>>>> tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8% >>>>> of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.



    Trade it in for a Breville. Mine turned out nice even results every
    time. I reluctantly put it away to make room for the new air fry that
    has a toaster function.

    We had a Breville. After a few years, it started acting squirrely.
    It seemed possible that it would turn itself on, so we got something different. This one is workable.

    I really liked the 1950s Sunbeam I had when I was young, but it
    wasn't a long-slice. It toasted the hell out of standard-sized
    bread, though.

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection.
    Proper training will get you there.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 25 14:44:39 2025
    On 2025-03-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 5:47 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, but >>>> I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the
    circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the
    first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find
    someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while
    still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one
    tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a
    Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about 8% >>>> of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.



    Trade it in for a Breville. Mine turned out nice even results every
    time. I reluctantly put it away to make room for the new air fry that
    has a toaster function.

    We had a Breville. After a few years, it started acting squirrely.
    It seemed possible that it would turn itself on, so we got something
    different. This one is workable.

    I really liked the 1950s Sunbeam I had when I was young, but it
    wasn't a long-slice. It toasted the hell out of standard-sized
    bread, though.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 11:05:03 2025
    On 2025-03-25 10:53 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/25/2025 10:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 5:47 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning.  It looked
    OK, but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again.  Popped the >>>>>> circuit breaker!  Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible.  If it happened the >>>>>> first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find >>>>>> someone that would toast my bagel.  Then, I'd have to rush home while >>>>>> still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes.  Amazon brings the new one >>>>>> tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years.  Next one is a >>>>>> Hamilton Beach.  The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has
    about 8%
    of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago.  It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one.  Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning.  I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster.  It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster.  Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting.  I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.



    Trade it in for a Breville. Mine turned out nice even results every
    time. I reluctantly put it away to make room for the new air fry that
    has a toaster function.

    We had a Breville.  After a few years, it started acting squirrely.
    It seemed possible that it would turn itself on, so we got something
    different.  This one is workable.

    I really liked the 1950s Sunbeam I had when I was young, but it
    wasn't a long-slice.  It toasted the hell out of standard-sized
    bread, though.

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems. Perhaps
    it is operator error.  Has anyone here taken a training course in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection.
    Proper training will get you there.



    I confess that I had no special training. I barely even looked at the
    manual. I give full credit to my Breville for being reliable, consistent
    and easy to use. I was able to get bread nicely toasted every time and I
    had the extra challenge of usually using frozen sliced bread, but all I
    had to do was to put it in at the usual setting and press the Frozen
    button and it would add some extra time to it. Some types of bread need
    more or less toasting than others and that was easily done by sliding
    the lever to the left or tight. I did enjoy the bagel function. As I
    mentioned before I had bought it near the beginning of the pandemic
    shutdown so it is almost 5 years now and still working great. I put it
    away only to save counter space.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 15:01:29 2025
    Ed P wrote :

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?

    Bread goes in, toast comes out.
    But where does the bread go?

    --
    Whatever else you do today, find somebody to be nice to.
    Ludlow Porch

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Wed Mar 26 04:32:39 2025
    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 11:05:03 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-25 10:53 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems. Perhaps
    it is operator error.  Has anyone here taken a training course in making
    toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection.
    Proper training will get you there.

    I confess that I had no special training. I barely even looked at the
    manual. I give full credit to my Breville for being reliable, consistent
    and easy to use. I was able to get bread nicely toasted every time and I
    had the extra challenge of usually using frozen sliced bread, but all I
    had to do was to put it in at the usual setting and press the Frozen
    button and it would add some extra time to it. Some types of bread need
    more or less toasting than others and that was easily done by sliding
    the lever to the left or tight. I did enjoy the bagel function. As I >mentioned before I had bought it near the beginning of the pandemic
    shutdown so it is almost 5 years now and still working great. I put it
    away only to save counter space.

    Beautiful. Reads like a romance novel, Dave.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 17:50:37 2025
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?

    Solved. Mine has only one slot.

    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    My 1950s toaster didn't have a lever. The weight of the bread
    caused it to descend and turn on the toaster.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 25 14:34:16 2025
    On 2025-03-25 1:50 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?

    Solved. Mine has only one slot.

    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    My 1950s toaster didn't have a lever. The weight of the bread
    caused it to descend and turn on the toaster.


    In the 50s that would have been called an automatic toaster. I remember toasters with sides that opened out and the bread was laid on the rack.
    When one side was done you opened it up and flipped it to toast the
    other side.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 25 14:42:17 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?

    Solved. Mine has only one slot.

    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    My 1950s toaster didn't have a lever. The weight of the bread
    caused it to descend and turn on the toaster.


    I wonder if it would even work with some of those new-fangled "diet"
    breads. (Tiny slices, and mostly air bubbles)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 21:44:42 2025
    On Tue, 25 Mar 2025, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/25/2025 10:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 5:47 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:14:44 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Seems simple enough, I toasted my bagel this morning. It looked OK, >>>>>> but
    I wanted it just a little darker so pushed it down again. Popped the >>>>>> circuit breaker! Waited a minute did it again.

    Fortunately it was toasted enough to be edible. If it happened the >>>>>> first time, I'd have to go down the street knocking on doors to find >>>>>> someone that would toast my bagel. Then, I'd have to rush home while >>>>>> still warm.

    No toast needed tomorrow, having pancakes. Amazon brings the new one >>>>>> tomorrow.

    This one was a Kitchen Aid and only lasted 3 years. Next one is a >>>>>> Hamilton Beach. The best ones only has 70% five stars, all has about >>>>>> 8%
    of 1 star.


    I bought a toaster from Amazon about a year ago. It's
    ok, I just wish I had opted for a bit better one. Toast
    is ok, but the bottom 1/5th of the bread doesn't receive
    any browning. I can live with it, just wish it were a
    tad better toaster. It had spectacular reviews.

    It replaced a 25-year-old or there abouts Hamilton Beach
    toaster. Both were/are wide slot models.

    I have a Dash.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCKXUO

    The back side of the bread gets more toasted than the front side.
    The top gets slightly less toasted, especially at the middle where
    slices cut from a round loaf are tall.

    However, because we're all about compromise here at Team Hamilton,
    we keep the toaster at my husband's preferred weak-ass setting. I
    toast my slice twice, flipping it upside-down and backward between
    the first and second rounds.



    Trade it in for a Breville. Mine turned out nice even results every
    time. I reluctantly put it away to make room for the new air fry that
    has a toaster function.

    We had a Breville. After a few years, it started acting squirrely.
    It seemed possible that it would turn itself on, so we got something
    different. This one is workable.

    I really liked the 1950s Sunbeam I had when I was young, but it
    wasn't a long-slice. It toasted the hell out of standard-sized
    bread, though.

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems. Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course in making toast? Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection. Proper training will get you there.


    Amen! I've been talking about this for years, even published a book on the subject, and still... people just drop it in and push the lever. That's a horrible way to do it!

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 25 16:52:57 2025
    On 3/25/2025 2:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 1:50 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error.  Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?

    Solved.  Mine has only one slot.

    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    My 1950s toaster didn't have a lever.  The weight of the bread
    caused it to descend and turn on the toaster.


    In the 50s that would have been called an automatic toaster. I remember toasters with sides that opened out and the bread was laid on the rack.
    When one side was done you opened it up and flipped it to toast the
    other side.

    My new toaster was delivered, but not to my house. Evidently, reading
    ability is not a requirement to be an Amazon driver. I found it next door.

    I'm excited to use it tomorrow. It has a feature I was unaware of. The instructions are also in French, so, tomorrow I'm going to use it to
    make French toast!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 25 17:45:42 2025
    On 2025-03-25 4:52 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/25/2025 2:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    My new toaster was delivered, but not to my house.  Evidently, reading ability is not a requirement to be an Amazon driver.  I found it next door.



    I don't order a lot of stuff online and have had fairly good luck.
    Things have always shown up on time, sometimes much earlier than I had expected. However, I have a Ring doorbell and have to wonder about the
    care. A couple weeks ago I have some underwear delivered and saw te
    delivery on video. He came about 3/4 of the way up the sidewalk and
    tossed it 10 ft. to the porch. Luckily is was not breakable.

    Last week I ordered a two pack of watch bands for my FitBit watch. I had ordered them around 9pm and when was returning to the house at 12:45
    the next day there was a delivery at the side of the road and the driver
    was walking down our lane. I stopped and asked if that was a package me.
    He asked if I lived there and I said yes, and he handed it to me. He
    never asked my name or asked to see ID. He just handed it to me. Hell I
    might start following these guys and try the same stunt and then take
    off before he can get my photo.

    My neighbours on both sides get deliveries almost daily. Every once in a
    while I come home and find a delivery parcel for one of the neighbours
    on my door step.


    The post office is funny. Several times I have gone across the street to
    get my morning paper and the mail man happens along. He won't hand me my
    mail. He as to put it in my mail box and then I have to wait for him to
    leave and then walk to the mail box and get it. Then there is my son's experience. He had sent a handgun back for a warranty repair. They were supposed to send it back by Canada Post and he would have to pick it up
    at the local post office and he would have to sign for it. Nope. They
    delivered it to his house. He was at work and when he got home from his
    12 hour shift it was sitting on his front step.

    I'm excited to use it tomorrow.  It has a feature I was unaware of.  The instructions are also in French, so, tomorrow I'm going to use it to
    make French toast!

    ;-)

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Mar 25 22:33:46 2025
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    I wonder if it would even work with some of those new-fangled "diet"
    breads. (Tiny slices, and mostly air bubbles)


    One wonders if a red ant stung "master's" vagina, lol...!!!


    Spread of Australia’s red fire ant population has sent 23 people to
    hospital

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/24/science/australia-fire-ants-spread-intl-scli/index.html

    "The number of people stung by red fire ants in Australia has increased significantly in past weeks, with 23 people requiring hospital treatment
    since the beginning of March, according to national broadcaster ABC...

    Originally from South America, the red imported fire ant, or Solenopsis invicta, is one of the world’s most invasive species. Its venomous sting causes pustules and allergic reactions and is capable of killing a
    human...

    Residents of the state of Queensland in northeastern Australia have
    battled the ant for years, but the number of attacks on livestock and
    people has exploded since torrential rains brought on by a slow-moving
    tropical storm earlier in March, which meant the insects moved above
    ground and formed rafts to float to new areas...

    Since March 1, the National Fire Ant Eradication Program has received 60 reports of extreme reactions to fire ant stings requiring medical
    attention, with 23 people hospitalized, ABC reported...

    Construction worker Scott Rider told ABC Rural that his feet were
    covered in sores after repeated ant bites...

    “They’re just everywhere, they’re crawling over patios, they’re coming into our homes, they get flicked up on the lawn mower, on the tractor,”
    Rider said...

    Another Queensland local found her puppy dead on top of a fire ant nest,
    ABC reported..."

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    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 25 17:34:31 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 4:52 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/25/2025 2:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    My new toaster was delivered, but not to my house.  Evidently,
    reading ability is not a requirement to be an Amazon driver.  I found
    it next door.



    I don't order a lot of stuff online and have had fairly good luck.
    Things have always shown up on time, sometimes much earlier than I had expected. However, I have a Ring doorbell and have to wonder about the
    care. A couple weeks ago I have some underwear delivered and saw te
    delivery on video. He came about 3/4 of the way up the sidewalk and
    tossed it 10 ft. to the porch. Luckily is was not breakable.

    Last week I ordered a two pack of watch bands for my FitBit watch. I had ordered them around 9pm and when was returning to the house at 12:45
    the next day there was a delivery at the side of the road and the driver
    was walking down our lane. I stopped and asked if that was a package me.
    He asked if I lived there and I said yes, and he handed it to me. He
    never asked my name or asked to see ID. He just handed it to me. Hell I might start following these guys and try the same stunt and then take
    off before he can get my photo.

    My neighbours on both sides get deliveries almost daily. Every once in a while I come home and find a delivery parcel for one of the neighbours
    on my door step.


    Hell dave, you could just steal that stuff instead of following delivery drivers around to steal the shit they are delivering!

    It doesn't make sense doing all that work when you could just steal your neighbor's shit.

    The only thing better is if you could hatch a scheme to steal one of
    your neighbors stuff and blame it on another neighbor. And to top it
    off, you could personally make the arrest and help send the poor bastard
    to jail.

    And the day before he's released, a real nice touch would be to trash
    his yard with a dump truck full of garbage.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Mar 25 23:18:12 2025
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-25 4:52 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/25/2025 2:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    My new toaster was delivered, but not to my house.  Evidently,
    reading ability is not a requirement to be an Amazon driver.  I found >>> it next door.



    I don't order a lot of stuff online and have had fairly good luck.
    Things have always shown up on time, sometimes much earlier than I had
    expected. However, I have a Ring doorbell and have to wonder about the
    care.  A couple weeks ago I have some underwear delivered and saw te
    delivery on video. He came about 3/4 of the way up the sidewalk and
    tossed it 10 ft. to the porch.  Luckily is was not breakable.

    Last week I ordered a two pack of watch bands for my FitBit watch. I had
    ordered them around 9pm  and when was returning to the house at 12:45
    the next day there was a delivery at the side of the road and the driver
    was walking down our lane. I stopped and asked if that was a package me.
    He asked if I lived there and I said yes, and he handed it to  me.  He
    never asked my name or asked to see ID. He  just handed it to me. Hell I
    might start following these guys and try the same stunt and then take
    off before he can get my photo.

    My neighbours on both sides get deliveries almost daily. Every once in a
    while I come home and find a delivery parcel for one of the neighbours
    on my door step.


    Hell dave, you could just steal that stuff instead of following delivery drivers around to steal the shit they are delivering!

    It doesn't make sense doing all that work when you could just steal your neighbor's shit.

    The only thing better is if you could hatch a scheme to steal one of
    your neighbors stuff and blame it on another neighbor. And to top it
    off, you could personally make the arrest and help send the poor bastard
    to jail.

    And the day before he's released, a real nice touch would be to trash
    his yard with a dump truck full of garbage.


    "He likes to type"...

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    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 25 18:18:08 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    The post office is funny. Several times I have gone across the street to
    get my morning paper and the mail man happens along. He won't hand me my mail. He as to put it in my mail box and then I have to wait for him to
    leave and then walk to the mail box and get it.


    I wonder why he doesn't trust you, Officer Dave? If you check your
    records, I bet that you've arrested him in the past, or perhaps you
    dumped trash in his yard? Maybe worse. But it's clear he wouldn't even deliver your mail if he could avoid it.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Mar 26 18:03:37 2025
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    [toaster issues]

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection.
    Proper training will get you there.

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one was
    purchased at Walmart. she hasn't answered my text yet which
    means she put her tablet down which is a fkn miracle. lol. if i
    was using a toaster nearly every day and they were lasting only
    a few years, i'd have been shopping for commercial quality products
    a long time ago.

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Wed Mar 26 15:55:14 2025
    On 3/26/2025 2:03 PM, flood of sins wrote:


    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one was
    purchased at Walmart. she hasn't answered my text yet which
    means she put her tablet down which is a fkn miracle. lol. if i
    was using a toaster nearly every day and they were lasting only
    a few years, i'd have been shopping for commercial quality products
    a long time ago.


    Today, twice. On average, it is probably once a day with the occasional
    twice. Looks like I use it about 8X your use.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Wed Mar 26 19:23:53 2025
    On 2025-03-26, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:
    On 2025-03-25, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    [toaster issues]

    There has been quite a few comments here about toaster problems.
    Perhaps it is operator error. Has anyone here taken a training course
    in making toast?
    Bread prep and orientation
    Which slice goes into what slot?
    How to do only one slice
    Temperature differential for raisin bread
    Proper insertion of the slice.
    Pushing the lever down, rate of travel.

    People just drop the bread in, push the lever, then expect perfection.
    Proper training will get you there.

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one...

    is a Black and Decker.

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Wed Mar 26 21:40:19 2025
    On 2025-03-26, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster?

    Daily. Sometimes at breakfast and at dinner.

    --
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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 27 10:51:50 2025
    On Wed, 26 Mar 2025, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-03-26, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster?

    Daily. Sometimes at breakfast and at dinner.

    You're a tough cookie!

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 27 13:03:32 2025
    On 2025-03-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 2:03 PM, flood of sins wrote:

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one was
    purchased at Walmart. she hasn't answered my text yet which
    means she put her tablet down which is a fkn miracle. lol. if i
    was using a toaster nearly every day and they were lasting only
    a few years, i'd have been shopping for commercial quality products
    a long time ago.

    Today, twice. On average, it is probably once a day with the occasional twice. Looks like I use it about 8X your use.

    before anyone goes out and buys another 3-5 year throwaway
    toaster, or anything else for that matter, at any retailer
    local or online, i suggest watching the "Buy Now" documentary
    on Netflix.

    https://www.netflix.com/title/81554996

    the documentary opens talking about planned obsolescence. the
    reason toasters are being thrown away every few years is that is
    exactly what they were designed to do.

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    Micheal Trew knows a thing or two about this i am sure.



    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Thu Mar 27 09:13:31 2025
    On 3/27/2025 9:03 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-03-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 2:03 PM, flood of sins wrote:

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one was
    purchased at Walmart. she hasn't answered my text yet which
    means she put her tablet down which is a fkn miracle. lol. if i
    was using a toaster nearly every day and they were lasting only
    a few years, i'd have been shopping for commercial quality products
    a long time ago.

    Today, twice. On average, it is probably once a day with the occasional
    twice. Looks like I use it about 8X your use.

    before anyone goes out and buys another 3-5 year throwaway
    toaster, or anything else for that matter, at any retailer
    local or online, i suggest watching the "Buy Now" documentary
    on Netflix.

    https://www.netflix.com/title/81554996

    the documentary opens talking about planned obsolescence. the
    reason toasters are being thrown away every few years is that is
    exactly what they were designed to do.

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    Micheal Trew knows a thing or two about this i am sure.




    I paid $30 for the Hamilton Beach I just got. For 5X the cost I can get
    a Waring Commercial Light Duty for $135. Or I can get a Cadco 4 slice
    for $537.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Thu Mar 27 15:40:11 2025
    On 2025-03-27, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that there's a market for
    commercial long-slot toasters. Looks like I could have had
    it for about the price of my last two toasters.

    https://www.webstaurantstore.com/waring-wct704-4-slice-commercial-toaster-nsf/929WCT704.html

    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime. Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Thu Mar 27 17:52:17 2025
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:03:32 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    On 2025-03-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 2:03 PM, flood of sins wrote:

    my question is, how often do you use your toaster? ours is
    easily 12ish years old and gets used 3-4 times a month on average,
    up to 8 times at most. i don't know what brand it is and she hasn't
    answered my text asking about it yet. we've been married for 42
    years and have had for sure 3, maybe 4, toasters in all that time.
    all but the last one were purchased at Sears. the last one was
    purchased at Walmart. she hasn't answered my text yet which
    means she put her tablet down which is a fkn miracle. lol. if i
    was using a toaster nearly every day and they were lasting only
    a few years, i'd have been shopping for commercial quality products
    a long time ago.

    Today, twice. On average, it is probably once a day with the occasional
    twice. Looks like I use it about 8X your use.

    before anyone goes out and buys another 3-5 year throwaway
    toaster, or anything else for that matter, at any retailer
    local or online, i suggest watching the "Buy Now" documentary
    on Netflix.

    https://www.netflix.com/title/81554996

    the documentary opens talking about planned obsolescence. the
    reason toasters are being thrown away every few years is that is
    exactly what they were designed to do.

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    Micheal Trew knows a thing or two about this i am sure.



    Hearing aids have a planned life of 5 years. The manufacturers will
    repair aids for up to 5 years. After that, you have to send your aids to all-make repair labs. On this rock that means being sent to the mainland
    and being without your aids for about 10 days. It'll cost you 200 to 400
    bucks. If an aid is still under the manufacturer's warranty - they just
    send you a new one. Hearing aids aren't typically fixed these days.

    I used to fix hearing aids back in the day. These days, I can't fix
    shit. My hands and eyes aren't up to the task. I did put together a
    broken aid on Tuesday for my special little friend. It was broken in two
    and still working. All I did was reattach the loudspeaker and glued the
    shell together. I didn't charge him a dime. He was happy as a clam.
    There are people that will fix stuff for you but they're hard to find.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 27 23:07:31 2025
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that there's a market for
    commercial long-slot toasters. Looks like I could have had
    it for about the price of my last two toasters.

    https://www.webstaurantstore.com/waring-wct704-4-slice-commercial-toaster-nsf/929WCT704.html

    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime. Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.

    That's mighty selfish of you! Trump would not approve! =/

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 27 17:55:42 2025
    D wrote:


    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that there's a market for
    commercial long-slot toasters. Looks like I could have had
    it for about the price of my last two toasters.

    https://www.webstaurantstore.com/waring-wct704-4-slice-commercial-toaster-nsf/929WCT704.html


    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime. Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.

    That's mighty selfish of you! Trump would not approve! =/

    Speaking of trump; he's getting some serious blisters on his ass from
    all the people kissing it!

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Mar 28 00:55:41 2025
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that there's a market for
    commercial long-slot toasters.  Looks like I could have had
    it for about the price of my last two toasters.

    https://www.webstaurantstore.com/waring-wct704-4-slice-commercial-toaster-nsf/929WCT704.html


    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime.  Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.

    That's mighty selfish of you! Trump would not approve! =/

    Speaking of trump; he's getting some serious blisters on his ass from
    all the people kissing it!


    Naw, Sire Hank... peeps just realize THE DONALD's udder BRILLIANCE...!!!

    GAWD, I LUV it...!!!

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Mar 28 00:58:31 2025
    On 2025-03-27, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I used to fix hearing aids back in the day. These days, I can't fix
    shit. My hands and eyes aren't up to the task. I did put together a
    broken aid on Tuesday for my special little friend. It was broken in two
    and still working. All I did was reattach the loudspeaker and glued the
    shell together. I didn't charge him a dime. He was happy as a clam.
    There are people that will fix stuff for you but they're hard to find.


    I bought a pair of Audiens. They promoted another pair for half-price. I
    went for it. I _HATE_ hearing aides! I gave the other pair to a friend.
    Loss of hearing is just another way of withdrawing from the World. I'm
    living the dream!
    But, as far as hearing aides go, the era of expensive ones is over. Audiologists will soon have to adjust, but I'll bow to your expertise.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 28 00:37:12 2025
    On 2025-03-27, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime. Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.


    And they won't. Live the philosophy. Love the philosophy. You and I will
    meet in nothingness. I'll get there first. ;)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Mar 27 21:31:16 2025
    On 3/27/2025 8:58 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-27, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I used to fix hearing aids back in the day. These days, I can't fix
    shit. My hands and eyes aren't up to the task. I did put together a
    broken aid on Tuesday for my special little friend. It was broken in two
    and still working. All I did was reattach the loudspeaker and glued the
    shell together. I didn't charge him a dime. He was happy as a clam.
    There are people that will fix stuff for you but they're hard to find.


    I bought a pair of Audiens. They promoted another pair for half-price. I
    went for it. I _HATE_ hearing aides! I gave the other pair to a friend.
    Loss of hearing is just another way of withdrawing from the World. I'm
    living the dream!
    But, as far as hearing aides go, the era of expensive ones is over. Audiologists will soon have to adjust, but I'll bow to your expertise.


    I see the generic ones for about $300.

    I have some loss but before I go to a place like Beltone, I'll try the
    cheap ones. Sure, the audiologist deserves something, but I can't
    justify $4000 and up.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 28 02:15:52 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 0:58:31 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I used to fix hearing aids back in the day. These days, I can't fix
    shit. My hands and eyes aren't up to the task. I did put together a
    broken aid on Tuesday for my special little friend. It was broken in two
    and still working. All I did was reattach the loudspeaker and glued the
    shell together. I didn't charge him a dime. He was happy as a clam.
    There are people that will fix stuff for you but they're hard to find.


    I bought a pair of Audiens. They promoted another pair for half-price. I
    went for it. I _HATE_ hearing aides! I gave the other pair to a friend.
    Loss of hearing is just another way of withdrawing from the World. I'm
    living the dream!
    But, as far as hearing aides go, the era of expensive ones is over. Audiologists will soon have to adjust, but I'll bow to your expertise.


    Hearing aids are still expensive. I haven't checked out the new over-the-counter amplifiers yet. My guess is that the Apple AirPod Pro2
    could work very well as a hearing aid - at a bargain price but I haven't checked them out either. I thought that things would be a lot different
    over a decade ago and that hearing aids would be just another consumer electronics gizmo selling for around $200. I was wrong.

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/VexoF9-KhEc/m/Zo_sMXJ-EwAJ

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 06:12:02 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 2:15:52 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Hearing aids are still expensive. I haven't checked out the new over-the-counter amplifiers yet. My guess is that the Apple AirPod Pro2
    could work very well as a hearing aid - at a bargain price but I haven't checked them out either. I thought that things would be a lot different
    over a decade ago and that hearing aids would be just another consumer electronics gizmo selling for around $200. I was wrong.

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/VexoF9-KhEc/m/Zo_sMXJ-EwAJ

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2


    I ordered a pair of AirPods Pro 2 earbuds. If it works out, we'll give
    them to my wife's co-worker. She can't hear shit. That's not good -
    especially if you're a nurse.

    https://www.amazon.com/Apple-Cancellation-Transparency-Personalized-High-Fidelity/dp/B0D1XD1ZV3/

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Mar 28 06:36:26 2025
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2


    I'm an Apple guy. I have several pairs of airpods. My arrogance does not
    allow me to wear them outside of my home. The tubes, sticking out of
    my ears, makes me look stupider on the street.

    But that's just me.

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Mar 28 12:50:35 2025
    On 2025-03-27, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:03:32 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    [planned obsolescence]

    Hearing aids have a planned life of 5 years. The manufacturers will
    repair aids for up to 5 years.

    how long before hearing aids are "cloud" connected and require a
    monthly auto paid subscription to use?

    "oops, your card expired, you don't get to hear anything until it's
    updated"

    or is that kind of enshittification already here?

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 28 10:09:49 2025
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:


    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 28 15:02:55 2025
    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to
    music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not
    talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.


    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Mar 28 16:12:44 2025
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Hank Rogers wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    if i used a toaster as much as Cindy and Ed, a long time ago i
    would have hunted around restaurant supplies to find a
    commercial product that would last beyond my own lifetime.

    I was somewhat surprised to see that there's a market for
    commercial long-slot toasters. Looks like I could have had
    it for about the price of my last two toasters.

    https://www.webstaurantstore.com/waring-wct704-4-slice-commercial-toaster-nsf/929WCT704.html

    Nothing needs to last beyond my lifetime. Not my toaster,
    not the entire Universe.

    That's mighty selfish of you! Trump would not approve! =/

    Speaking of trump; he's getting some serious blisters on his ass from all the people kissing it!

    This is not good! I think we rfc:ers should come together and send him
    some cream or ointment as a token of our appreciation! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 16:22:44 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025, dsi1 wrote:

    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 0:58:31 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-03-27, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I used to fix hearing aids back in the day. These days, I can't fix
    shit. My hands and eyes aren't up to the task. I did put together a
    broken aid on Tuesday for my special little friend. It was broken in two >>> and still working. All I did was reattach the loudspeaker and glued the
    shell together. I didn't charge him a dime. He was happy as a clam.
    There are people that will fix stuff for you but they're hard to find.


    I bought a pair of Audiens. They promoted another pair for half-price. I
    went for it. I _HATE_ hearing aides! I gave the other pair to a friend.
    Loss of hearing is just another way of withdrawing from the World. I'm
    living the dream!
    But, as far as hearing aides go, the era of expensive ones is over.
    Audiologists will soon have to adjust, but I'll bow to your expertise.


    Hearing aids are still expensive. I haven't checked out the new over-the-counter amplifiers yet. My guess is that the Apple AirPod Pro2
    could work very well as a hearing aid - at a bargain price but I haven't checked them out either. I thought that things would be a lot different
    over a decade ago and that hearing aids would be just another consumer electronics gizmo selling for around $200. I was wrong.

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/VexoF9-KhEc/m/Zo_sMXJ-EwAJ

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2


    My father has hearing aids. He can connect them to his phone and TV via bluetooth and they work very well. They are so small, I can hardly see
    them.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 28 16:23:26 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2


    I'm an Apple guy. I have several pairs of airpods. My arrogance does not allow me to wear them outside of my home. The tubes, sticking out of
    my ears, makes me look stupider on the street.

    But that's just me.

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.


    You are a wise man Leo! I agree 100%!

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Fri Mar 28 15:42:29 2025
    On 2025-03-28, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of
    cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    I always think of the train engineer or vehicle driver in those
    cases.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Sat Mar 29 03:05:03 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of
    cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 28 16:31:38 2025
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 28 12:22:09 2025
    On 3/28/2025 10:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to
    music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not
    talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of cyclists using them too.  You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    It's not just those earbuds. There are people who drive around with the
    music in their car/truck blasting so loud it can be heard half a block
    away even when their windows are closed. They are very likely not to
    hear the sirens of emergency vehicles. Or trains, for that matter, if
    it's an unguarded train crossing in a fairly rural area.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sat Mar 29 03:34:01 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:31:38 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>>>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>>>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all >>>>> audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 28 17:56:34 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 6:36:26 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I also thought we'd have self-driving cars but I was wrong. Those were
    the days when I believed in the lies E. Musk was serving up. How long do
    we have to wait until we get a proper self-driving electric car!!??

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-pro-2


    I'm an Apple guy. I have several pairs of airpods. My arrogance does not allow me to wear them outside of my home. The tubes, sticking out of
    my ears, makes me look stupider on the street.

    But that's just me.

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all
    audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    That's a good question. Pedestrian deaths have increased by about 50% in
    the last decade. It's alarming alright but I can't say why though. Our
    neighbor was almost killed last year while crossing the road. She got
    hit bad and is lucky to be alive. There was no
    earbuds/headphones/streaming involved. Twas the driver's fault.

    As it goes, most people that wear aids aren't going to be walking the
    streets listening to their favorite playlist. People wear hearing aids
    to connect with their environment, not to isolate themselves. OTOH,
    crossing the street if you're elderly is a dangerous proposition.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 28 13:48:24 2025
    On 2025-03-28 12:31 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>>>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>>>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all >>>>> audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly
    when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    You will have to excuse Brucie. He is a prime example of the
    Dunning-Kruger Effect, not competent enough to realize how incompetent
    he is. Eugenics involves some sort of effort to prevent those with
    maladaptive characteristics from reproducing and passing on those
    traits. This is natures own form of eugenics whereby those who are
    prone to doing stupid things get themselves eliminated from the gene pool.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Mar 28 13:38:35 2025
    On 2025-03-28 12:22 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/28/2025 10:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along
    the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot
    of cyclists using them too.  You really need to be able to hear
    properly when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    It's not just those earbuds.  There are people who drive around with the music in their car/truck blasting so loud it can be heard half a block
    away even when their windows are closed.  They are very likely not to
    hear the sirens of emergency vehicles.  Or trains, for that matter, if
    it's an unguarded train crossing in a fairly rural area.


    I don't know about some people. I remember once in Buffalo seeing a
    crappy little car with the hatch back open and a huge speaker that
    pretty well filled the back of the car. Then there are the idiot
    motorcyclist who remove the mufflers from their exhaust pipes to make
    lots of vroom vroom noise to make them cool and then they have a sound
    system cranked up loud enough to be heard over their crappy music and
    through there helmet.

    There used to be a guy like that who came down our road around 6 am.
    We are two miles from the "downtown" of our little village and I used to
    hear him before he even got to town and then for the two minutes or so
    to get here from town and then for a few more minutes after he had
    passed. One of these days I will figure out why the guys with the
    loudest music have the worst musical taste.
    FWIW, there are systems that you can attach to helmets for two way communication and with radio and bluetooth capabilities.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 29 04:53:16 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 13:48:24 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28 12:31 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>>>>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>>>>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all >>>>>> audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along >>>>> the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>>>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly >>>>> when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    You will have to excuse Brucie. He is a prime example of the
    Dunning-Kruger Effect, not competent enough to realize how incompetent
    he is. Eugenics involves some sort of effort to prevent those with >maladaptive characteristics from reproducing and passing on those
    traits. This is natures own form of eugenics whereby those who are
    prone to doing stupid things get themselves eliminated from the gene pool.

    When a kid gets killed because he or she didn't hear a train coming,
    that's no reason for me to be happy they're dead. That would actually
    be quite sick.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 29 06:51:22 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:28:33 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28 1:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    As it goes, most people that wear aids aren't going to be walking the
    streets listening to their favorite playlist. People wear hearing aids
    to connect with their environment, not to isolate themselves. OTOH,
    crossing the street if you're elderly is a dangerous proposition.

    One might expect that an older person who know enough to look both ways >before crossing the road. Many don't.

    Isn't it a shame if they're killed when they're older? If they'd been
    killed before they procreated, they'd have been taken out of the gene
    pool. Genetic purification!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 15:28:33 2025
    On 2025-03-28 1:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 6:36:26 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    That's a good question. Pedestrian deaths have increased by about 50% in
    the last decade. It's alarming alright but I can't say why though. Our neighbor was almost killed last year while crossing the road. She got
    hit bad and is lucky to be alive. There was no
    earbuds/headphones/streaming involved. Twas the driver's fault.

    The pedestrian usually has the right of way, but that doesn't make any difference of the pedestrians and the drivers are unaware of each
    other's presence. Early one morning a few years ago I was lying in bed listening to the radio and they reported that there had been 7
    pedestrians hit on cross walks, and it was only about 7:30 am. It was
    mid winter so it was still dark out and one of the common factors was
    that all the pedestrians had been dressed in dark clothing.




    As it goes, most people that wear aids aren't going to be walking the
    streets listening to their favorite playlist. People wear hearing aids
    to connect with their environment, not to isolate themselves. OTOH,
    crossing the street if you're elderly is a dangerous proposition.

    One might expect that an older person who know enough to look both ways
    before crossing the road. Many don't. Heck, on the way home from
    shopping this morning I stopped at the stop sign at an intersection and
    was all set to go except there was a pedestrian crossing in front of me
    on the other side of the road. He was walking along holding his phone
    in front of himself. He didn't stop. He didn't slow down. He didn't look
    either way, just marched right across the road without looking. He had
    the right of way but that really only works when people see you and
    yield RoW. If a pedestrian gets hit by a car it is the pedestrian who
    suffers, not the car.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 28 15:16:02 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 1:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 6:36:26 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    That's a good question. Pedestrian deaths have increased by about 50% in
    the last decade. It's alarming alright but I can't say why though. Our
    neighbor was almost killed last year while crossing the road. She got
    hit bad and is lucky to be alive. There was no
    earbuds/headphones/streaming involved. Twas the driver's fault.

    The pedestrian usually has the right of way, but that doesn't make any difference of the pedestrians and the drivers are unaware of each
    other's presence. Early one morning a few years ago I was lying in bed listening to the radio and they reported that there had been 7
    pedestrians hit on cross walks, and it was only about 7:30 am. It was
    mid winter so it was still dark out and one of the common factors was
    that all the pedestrians had been dressed in dark clothing.




    As it goes, most people that wear aids aren't going to be walking the
    streets listening to their favorite playlist. People wear hearing aids
    to connect with their environment, not to isolate themselves. OTOH,
    crossing the street if you're elderly is a dangerous proposition.

    One might expect that an older person who know enough to look both ways before crossing the road. Many don't. Heck, on the way home from
    shopping this morning I stopped at the stop sign at an intersection and
    was all set to go except there was a pedestrian crossing in front of me
    on the other side of the road. He was walking along holding his phone
    in front of himself. He didn't stop. He didn't slow down. He didn't look either way, just marched right across the road without looking. He had
    the right of way but that really only works when people see you and
    yield RoW. If a pedestrian gets hit by a car it is the pedestrian who suffers, not the car.


    Damn! You should have arrested that bastard Officer Dave.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 28 21:38:42 2025
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:31:38 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to >>>>>> music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not >>>>>> talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all >>>>>> audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is
    optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along >>>>> the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>>>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly >>>>> when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    Sure. But fascism doesn't rely on eugenics.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 28 16:51:52 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:31:38 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:02:55 GMT, flood of sins <fos@sdf.org> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 2:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How many pedestrians, do you suppose, have been killed by rocking out to
    music/podcasts with their new-ears engaged, when a car hit them? I'm not
    talking about using iPods as hearing aides, just dangerous for
    distorting an extremely important sense, outdoors. That goes for all >>>>>>> audio devices that do other than enhance your hearing. Indoors is >>>>>>> optimal.

    About once a year we lose a local teen who is illegally walking along >>>>>> the railway and listening to loud music through ear buds. I see a lot of >>>>>> cyclists using them too. You really need to be able to hear properly >>>>>> when riding or walking, and not just by roads.

    that falls under the natural selection umbrella and i approve.
    i'd rather not see these kind of people polluting the gene pool.

    Ah, you've joined America's conversion to fascism.

    I'm not seeing a causal connection between eugenics and fascism.

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    Sure. But fascism doesn't rely on eugenics.


    True. All you need is some guy like trump or putin.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 28 17:55:00 2025
    On 2025-03-28 5:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    Sure. But fascism doesn't rely on eugenics.



    It's a shame that some people who are so physically and mentally
    challenged they don't appreciate that they aren't really equipped to
    raise children. We have the technology to detect genetic factors that
    are likely to produce children who will have serious challenges.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 29 09:20:30 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:55:00 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-28 5:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    Sure. But fascism doesn't rely on eugenics.

    It's a shame that some people who are so physically and mentally
    challenged they don't appreciate that they aren't really equipped to
    raise children. We have the technology to detect genetic factors that
    are likely to produce children who will have serious challenges.

    But how do you genetically detect that someone will be a bad parent
    and raise an f.knuckle of a child?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 28 17:43:58 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-28 5:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    It's not that hard. "Fascist regimes—most notably Nazi
    Germany—embraced eugenics as part of their ideology, using it to
    justify racial purity laws, forced sterilizations, and genocide."

    Sure. But fascism doesn't rely on eugenics.



    It's a shame that some people who are so physically and mentally
    challenged they don't appreciate that they aren't really equipped to
    raise children. We have the technology to detect genetic factors that
    are likely to produce children who will have serious challenges.

    Dave, see if RFK might hire you! Trump would create a new department
    just for you!

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 22:58:32 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:22:44 +0000, D wrote:

    My father has hearing aids. He can connect them to his phone and TV via bluetooth and they work very well. They are so small, I can hardly see
    them.

    You're certainly right about that.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/7yrRqKPqUtqnt6KU6

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