• Re: Making change

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 12:41:01 2025
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 22:23:06 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary >transaction.

    That's sad for a checkout dude. We once went to a dump to get rid of
    stuff and had to pay on the way out. I wanted to get of some coins so
    paid with those. The guy looked at me a bit helplessly and said: "Is
    it all there?"

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 22:23:06 2025
    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 04:23:18 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 14:32:02 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 04:23:18 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Maybe he was a Trump voter?

    --
    Bruce
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat May 10 04:55:35 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 4:32:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 04:23:18 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Maybe he was a Trump voter?


    No, just a dummy depending on a machine to tell him how
    much money to return to the patron. Probably doesn't
    have a clue how to figure sales tax either if Florida
    has a sales tax.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 04:57:21 2025
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back [...]
    It only takes once or twice practicing to learn

    I had one who apparently learned how to do it,
    but had no idea how much each piece was worth and
    needed to read the coin value from each coin.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 12:21:15 2025
    Ed P wrote :

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary transaction.

    Umm . . . How did you pay for your groceries? How did the person
    behind you pay for their groceries? I'm surprised retailers still
    accept cash. There are so few people that pay with cash these days,
    it's hardly worth the risk and time (eg. safely/securely transporting
    cash to/from store, balancing tills, etc.).

    Money has become an abstract construct that little to do with
    reality. And we've become poorer as we've lost touch with the value
    of cold, hard cash.

    --
    The Green New Deal is simply a vehicle to put politicians and
    bureaucrats in charge of our economy on the pretense of saving
    us from bad weather.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 09:19:46 2025
    On 2025-05-10 12:55 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 4:32:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Maybe he was a Trump voter?


    No, just a dummy depending on a machine to tell him how
    much money to return to the patron. Probably doesn't
    have a clue how to figure sales tax either if Florida
    has a sales tax.

    Do they even need to do that? Most places here us scanners and whether
    or not that product code is a taxable item is already programmed into it.

    A number of years back I was dealing with a young store clerk who was remarkably good looking and had an amazing body, likely the attributes
    that got her the job because it sure wasn't her brains. She gave me too
    much change. I told her she had given me too much change. She seemed
    puzzled. I explained it to her and told her how much she owed me. She
    took back the change she had given me and tried again. She came me
    change again, still to much. She tried it a third time and asked me if
    that was right. Third time was a charm.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat May 10 13:28:37 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 4:57:21 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back [...]
    It only takes once or twice practicing to learn

    I had one who apparently learned how to do it,
    but had no idea how much each piece was worth and
    needed to read the coin value from each coin.


    "In the FYOOTURE", we will all be tattooed with bar codes on the top of
    our hands, and this will be used for payments...

    No pesky fiddling with physical means of payment...!!!

    Well, that's what I think "dsi1" said awhiles back, anyways...

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 12:19:34 2025
    On 5/10/2025 12:23 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Teach people a useful skill like counting back change? Naw, that's too
    old fashioned. There's probably a phone app for that, though. ;)

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat May 10 12:34:30 2025
    On 2025-05-10 12:19 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 12:23 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Teach people a useful skill like counting back change?  Naw, that's too
    old fashioned.  There's probably a phone app for that, though. ;)

    What do we do when people become so accustomed to using an app that
    everyone loses the ability to do things? There won't be anyone who knows
    how to do the things they mare writing the app for.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 12:40:11 2025
    On 5/9/2025 10:23 PM, Ed P wrote:
    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary transaction.

    Did the supervisor actually know how? Or did the supervisor reverse the transaction and enter it correctly so the machine calculated the change?
    Just curious. I've seen a few situations like that where all they did
    was enter their supervisor code, clear out the original transaction and
    do it over again. The clerks don't have the authorization to do that.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sat May 10 12:37:12 2025
    On 5/10/2025 8:21 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.

    Umm . . . How did you pay for your groceries? How did the person
    behind you pay for their groceries? I'm surprised retailers still
    accept cash. There are so few people that pay with cash these days,
    it's hardly worth the risk and time (eg. safely/securely transporting
    cash to/from store, balancing tills, etc.).

    Money has become an abstract construct that little to do with
    reality. And we've become poorer as we've lost touch with the value
    of cold, hard cash.

    I don't know about where you live but around here some (usually smaller)
    retailers offer "cash" discounts. Pay with a card and the price goes
    up under the guise of "processing fees". Last year I bought a suet type
    bird feeder at a local lawn & garden store. The woman at the checkout
    told me even if I used my debit (as opposed to credit) card there would
    be an automatic 3% upcharge because that's what the system they use
    does. Same thing when I had the window regulator & motor replaced in my
    car last year. The auto shop would have charged an extra 3%. I paid by
    check and saved a few bucks. Then there are the produce stands in the
    middle of nowhere; they are strictly a cash business. I always have at
    least $20 in my wallet.

    Jill

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 16:35:36 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    Why should anyone "learn to count" change... the register shows what
    change the customer is due, so as long as the customer gets their due correctly, "no problemo"...

    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything... I've had the same hundred bux in bills
    in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    This is kind of like complaining that wives don't bother to darn the
    holes in their hubbie's socks anymore... or that it's a real hardship
    now to watch TV because TV Guide stopped their weekly print
    publication... or that one can't get printed oil company road maps at
    gas stations now...

    IOW "an old person's problem" (not picking especially on you,
    Joan...)...

    As "dsi1" always sez, "We are now living in THE FYOOTURE...!!!"

    ;-D

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    GM

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat May 10 16:47:04 2025
    On 2025-05-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-05-10 12:19 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 12:23 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Teach people a useful skill like counting back change?  Naw, that's too
    old fashioned.  There's probably a phone app for that, though. ;)

    What do we do when people become so accustomed to using an app that
    everyone loses the ability to do things? There won't be anyone who knows
    how to do the things they mare writing the app for.

    AI can write those apps.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat May 10 13:09:55 2025
    On 5/10/2025 12:47 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-05-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-05-10 12:19 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 12:23 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few >>>>> things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.

    Teach people a useful skill like counting back change?  Naw, that's too >>> old fashioned.  There's probably a phone app for that, though. ;)

    What do we do when people become so accustomed to using an app that
    everyone loses the ability to do things? There won't be anyone who knows
    how to do the things they mare writing the app for.

    AI can write those apps.

    Everyone will become obsolete. Just like the old 'Twilight Zone' episode:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

    Jill

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat May 10 17:11:42 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote:

    ...they are strictly a cash business. I always have at
    least $20 in my wallet.


    These days, a "cash - only" business can generally be assumed to be
    avoiding having to pay taxes... so those vendors I doubt are paying
    their "fair share" of taxes...

    A local "cash - only" small corner store here was shut down awhiles
    back, as the owneers (Arab immigrants, lol!) had cheated on their
    taxes... in the past, several "cash - only" bars I knew of were shut
    down for the same reason...

    Just returned from the local farmer's market, even the very smallest
    vendors took cards/digital payments...

    In talking to some vendors, they *greatly* prefer cards/digital payments
    over cash, "Cash is a hassle to handle, and it can be lost or stolen"
    was the general consensus...

    --
    GM

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat May 10 13:17:05 2025
    On 5/10/2025 12:40 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/9/2025 10:23 PM, Ed P wrote:
    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem
    is, he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to
    give her change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex
    monetary transaction.

    Did the supervisor actually know how?  Or did the supervisor reverse the transaction and enter it correctly so the machine calculated the change?
     Just curious.  I've seen a few situations like that where all they did was enter their supervisor code, clear out the original transaction and
    do it over again.  The clerks don't have the authorization to do that.

    Jill

    At first I thought he needed a supervisor to override something. Nope,
    the cash drawer was already open, he was just lost.

    She did count it out and showed him but I don't know if it sunk in.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat May 10 13:30:13 2025
    On 5/10/2025 12:37 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 8:21 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.

    Umm . . .  How did you pay for your groceries?  How did the person
    behind you pay for their groceries?  I'm surprised retailers still
    accept cash. There are so few people that pay with cash these days,
    it's hardly worth the risk and time (eg. safely/securely transporting
    cash to/from store, balancing tills, etc.).

    Money has become an abstract construct that little to do with
    reality.  And we've become poorer as we've lost touch with the value
    of cold, hard cash.

    I don't know about where you live but around here some (usually smaller)
     retailers offer "cash" discounts.  Pay with a card and the price goes
    up under the guise of "processing fees".  Last year I bought a suet type bird feeder at a local lawn & garden store.  The woman at the checkout
    told me even if I used my debit (as opposed to credit) card there would
    be an automatic 3% upcharge because that's what the system they use
    does.  Same thing when I had the window regulator & motor replaced in my
    car last year.  The auto shop would have charged an extra 3%.  I paid by check and saved a few bucks.  Then there are the produce stands in the middle of nowhere; they are strictly a cash business.  I always have at least $20 in my wallet.

    Jill

    Debit cars have a lower fee than a credit card. May vary by state, in
    the past stores, by agreement with card companies, had to charge the
    same price. No up-charge, no discount, they sort of hid that from the consumer. Now I see discounts.

    I always have cash and that is my preference for smaller purchases. I
    do have a couple of "rewards" credit cards though. One is 3% on gas and groceries. So, about 10 cents a gallon at current prices. I let it
    build up and when it hits $100 take it towards that month payment.

    If I use a tradesman I always pay cash and often get a nice discount.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 14:32:53 2025
    On 5/10/2025 1:30 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 12:37 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 8:21 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.

    Umm . . .  How did you pay for your groceries?  How did the person
    behind you pay for their groceries?  I'm surprised retailers still
    accept cash. There are so few people that pay with cash these days,
    it's hardly worth the risk and time (eg. safely/securely transporting
    cash to/from store, balancing tills, etc.).

    Money has become an abstract construct that little to do with
    reality.  And we've become poorer as we've lost touch with the value
    of cold, hard cash.

    I don't know about where you live but around here some (usually
    smaller)   retailers offer "cash" discounts.  Pay with a card and the
    price goes up under the guise of "processing fees".  Last year I
    bought a suet type bird feeder at a local lawn & garden store.  The
    woman at the checkout told me even if I used my debit (as opposed to
    credit) card there would be an automatic 3% upcharge because that's
    what the system they use does.  Same thing when I had the window
    regulator & motor replaced in my car last year.  The auto shop would
    have charged an extra 3%.  I paid by check and saved a few bucks.
    Then there are the produce stands in the middle of nowhere; they are
    strictly a cash business.  I always have at least $20 in my wallet.

    Jill

    Debit cars have a lower fee than a credit card.  May vary by state, in
    the past stores, by agreement with card companies, had to charge the
    same price.  No up-charge, no discount, they sort of hid that from the consumer.  Now I see  discounts.

    Technically, in the state of SC, they aren't allowed to charge a fee for
    debit card use. But some businesses get around it by saying the company
    they use to handle the electronic transactions treats all cards the same
    and adds the fee. That's when I don't use the card.

    I always have cash and that is my preference for smaller purchases.  I
    do have a couple of "rewards" credit cards though.  One is 3% on gas and groceries.  So, about 10 cents a gallon at current prices.  I let it
    build up and when it hits $100 take it towards that month payment.

    If I use a tradesman I always pay cash and often get a nice discount.

    Yep, there's that. Cash isn't going away any time soon.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 14:34:12 2025
    On 5/10/2025 1:17 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 12:40 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 5/9/2025 10:23 PM, Ed P wrote:
    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem
    is, he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to
    give her change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex
    monetary transaction.

    Did the supervisor actually know how?  Or did the supervisor reverse
    the transaction and enter it correctly so the machine calculated the
    change?   Just curious.  I've seen a few situations like that where
    all they did was enter their supervisor code, clear out the original
    transaction and do it over again.  The clerks don't have the
    authorization to do that.

    Jill

    At first I thought he needed a supervisor to override something.  Nope,
    the cash drawer was already open, he was just lost.

    She did count it out and showed him but I don't know if it sunk in.

    Thanks! I was just curious. It's heartening to know the supervisor
    knew how to count back change.

    Jill

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat May 10 21:05:29 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 13:19:46 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-05-10 12:55 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 4:32:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Maybe he was a Trump voter?


    No, just a dummy depending on a machine to tell him how
    much money to return to the patron. Probably doesn't
    have a clue how to figure sales tax either if Florida
    has a sales tax.

    Do they even need to do that? Most places here us scanners and whether
    or not that product code is a taxable item is already programmed into
    it.


    Well, the hardware store that is about 7 blocks from my
    house has a hand crank cash register that is bigger than
    a microwave standing on its' side. It probably weighs
    at least 50+ pounds, too.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat May 10 21:58:20 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary transaction.

    The ability to count change is not relevant in our modern society. It's
    mostly seen as coddling to the doltish old farts endured by the cashiers
    just trying to do their job. The irony is that handling cash is one of
    the least attractive aspects of being a cashier. I won't touch the stuff myself.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 21:16:30 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 16:35:36 +0000, gm wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything... I've had the same hundred bux in bills
    in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    GM


    Raises hand, that would be me. If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash. I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    Back in February I had some maintenance done on my car
    at the dealership. I had an inkling they'd charge a
    fee for paying with a card so I slipped my rarely used
    checkbook into my purse. Yep, service charge when
    paying with plastic, none if paid in cash or check.

    $50 service fee if I want to pay my property taxes with
    a card. They get a check, too.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 18:32:09 2025
    On 5/10/2025 5:16 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 16:35:36 +0000, gm wrote:


    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything...  I've had the same hundred bux in bills
    in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    GM


    Raises hand, that would be me.  If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash.  I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    Back in February I had some maintenance done on my car
    at the dealership.  I had an inkling they'd charge a
    fee for paying with a card so I slipped my rarely used
    checkbook into my purse.  Yep, service charge when
    paying with plastic, none if paid in cash or check.

    $50 service fee if I want to pay my property taxes with
    a card.  They get a check, too.

    Taxes and some utilities have a CC charge I've not had a problem linking
    my checking account for tax and utility bills, a couple of clicks and
    paid.

    It was not easy over the years raising a family years ago, but for some
    years, I won't pay a fee for interest or time. Insurance is paid
    annually, not some payment plan that you pay extra for.

    When I bought my car, Hyundai had a $700 discount if they did the
    finance. So, I financed, paid it off in four months and paid $60 to
    save $700.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 23:00:52 2025
    dsi1 wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34. She handed him a $10 bill. The problem is,
    he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her
    change. Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.

    The ability to count change is not relevant in our modern society. It's mostly seen as coddling to the doltish old farts endured by the cashiers
    just trying to do their job. The irony is that handling cash is one of
    the least attractive aspects of being a cashier. I won't touch the stuff myself.


    Exactly...

    And cash and coins are filthy, think of how many grubby hands have
    touched that currency...

    And "writing checks" for shit is stupid... if you are still using checks
    then you are wasting your time... I've not written a check for prolly 20 years...

    "Yeah, I am sending a check through the mail..." - NOT...!!!

    Physical cash is archaic, like whale oil lamps, spats, or using an
    abacus to compute calculations...

    The US has generally lagged far behind the rest of the world in payment methods, and it's still got a ways to go... even CHINA is far FAR
    advanced in this field... not to mention India, etcetera...

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 19:41:45 2025
    On 5/10/2025 5:16 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 16:35:36 +0000, gm wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything...  I've had the same hundred bux in bills
    in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    GM

    GM, you're an idiot.


    Raises hand, that would be me.  If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash.  I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    Good point.

    Back in February I had some maintenance done on my car
    at the dealership.  I had an inkling they'd charge a
    fee for paying with a card so I slipped my rarely used
    checkbook into my purse.  Yep, service charge when
    paying with plastic, none if paid in cash or check.

    I had work done on my car last year and it was the same thing. They
    told me at the auto shop if I used a card there would be a fee. I wrote
    them a check. No fee.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sun May 11 11:24:30 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 21:16:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Raises hand, that would be me. If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash. I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    What would happen if you didn't tip them?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun May 11 03:22:39 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 1:24:30 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 21:16:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Raises hand, that would be me. If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash. I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    What would happen if you didn't tip them?


    Nothing.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat May 10 21:53:19 2025
    On 2025-05-10 3:16 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 16:35:36 +0000, gm wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few
    things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything...  I've had the same hundred bux in bills
    in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    GM


    Raises hand, that would be me.  If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash.  I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    Back in February I had some maintenance done on my car
    at the dealership.  I had an inkling they'd charge a
    fee for paying with a card so I slipped my rarely used
    checkbook into my purse.  Yep, service charge when
    paying with plastic, none if paid in cash or check.

    $50 service fee if I want to pay my property taxes with
    a card.  They get a check, too.

    Charities often charge a fee id you donate by CC. But at least
    it's tax deductible.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sun May 11 14:13:50 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 03:22:39 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Sun, 11 May 2025 1:24:30 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 21:16:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Raises hand, that would be me. If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash. I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    What would happen if you didn't tip them?

    Nothing.

    Maybe they'd they spit in your food next time?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon May 12 02:47:57 2025
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me. I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything? Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.
    Wait! Paper pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters, that's the ticket!
    Shut down the Treasury coin minters! I should get in touch with Elon.
    DOGE! DOGE! DOGE!
    Alas, a printed penny piece of paper is still worth more than a penny,
    and I don't want my taxes to pay for it. :(

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon May 12 03:29:01 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 2:47:57 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me. I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything? Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.
    Wait! Paper pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters, that's the ticket!
    Shut down the Treasury coin minters! I should get in touch with Elon.
    DOGE! DOGE! DOGE!
    Alas, a printed penny piece of paper is still worth more than a penny,
    and I don't want my taxes to pay for it. :(


    How much does it cost to produce a penny?

    The penny, whose face value is a modest 1 cent, cost about 3.7 cents to
    make last year. They aren't the only expensive coin. Nickels cost about
    13.8 cents to make in 2024, despite them being valued at only 5 cents.
    The disproportional cost of penny and nickel production isn't a new
    issue. Feb 13, 2025


    --
    GM

    --

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Mon May 12 04:31:50 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 23:41:45 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 5:16 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 16:35:36 +0000, gm wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 2:23:06 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    Making change is a lost art in retail.

    I was in the checkout line of a store today and a woman bought a few >>>>> things that totaled $5.34.  She handed him a $10 bill.  The problem is, >>>>> he hit receiving exact change in error and did not know how to give her >>>>> change.  Had to call over a supervisor to do this complex monetary
    transaction.


    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down.  It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    And how many still use cash for purchases... can't remember the last
    time I used cash for anything...  I've had the same hundred bux in bills >>> in my wallet for several years now, never touch it...

    GM

    GM, you're an idiot.


    Raises hand, that would be me.  If I'm out eating and I
    see a charge/convenience fee for using a debit/credit
    card, out comes the cash.  I'm not forking over money
    to pay with a card AND a tip, too.

    Good point.

    Back in February I had some maintenance done on my car
    at the dealership.  I had an inkling they'd charge a
    fee for paying with a card so I slipped my rarely used
    checkbook into my purse.  Yep, service charge when
    paying with plastic, none if paid in cash or check.

    I had work done on my car last year and it was the same thing. They
    told me at the auto shop if I used a card there would be a fee. I wrote
    them a check. No fee.

    Jill

    If you walk in the shop with B. Dylan, they'll probably give you the
    labor charges gratis. At least, that's what happened to my
    brother-in-laws.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon May 12 09:19:05 2025
    On 2025-05-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me.

    I sometimes use change, to keep up my street cred as an old lady.
    Mostly it get left along with the tip at our local mom & pop Chinese
    joint.

    I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything?

    It's still worth its face value.

    Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.

    It might be an impetus to get retailers to incorporate sales tax
    into the listed price of goods.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Mon May 12 12:09:32 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote :

    I don't know about where you live but around here some (usually smaller)
    retailers offer "cash" discounts. Pay with a card and the price goes
    up under the guise of "processing fees".

    Haven't run into that with retailers. Locally, cash discounts are
    fairly prevalant among professionals, government agencies, bloody
    insurance companies.

    Locally, Aldi doesn't accept credit cards. Not sure about their
    policy on debit cards. For us, Aldi is cash only.

    With the increasing cost of printed checks and postage, have slowly
    migrated to online payments with credit card wherever practical.
    Requires more attention than the old cash/check only. Credit is
    seemingly endless, while cash is finite. Out of cash? No new
    purchases, eat rice and beans. Still adjusting to the new modus
    operandi. I can understand how young people get overextended with
    credit cards.

    --
    I never thought I'd be the type of person who would get up early in
    the morning to exercise.
    I was right.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon May 12 09:34:43 2025
    On 2025-05-11 10:47 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me. I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything? Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.
    Wait! Paper pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters, that's the ticket!
    Shut down the Treasury coin minters! I should get in touch with Elon.
    DOGE! DOGE! DOGE!
    Alas, a printed penny piece of paper is still worth more than a penny,
    and I don't want my taxes to pay for it. :(

    We stopped using pennies more than a decade ago. Nobody misses them.
    Totals are round up or down. It was a real waste to have a heavy coin
    that was worth so little. Gone are the days when a kid could go into a
    candy store and waste 10 minutes of the store owner's time figuring out
    how much of each he could get with his three pennies.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon May 12 09:40:47 2025
    On 5/12/2025 5:19 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-05-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I find it hard to comprehend that somebody, anybody,
    doesn't teach people how to count change back when
    not given the correct change or their cash register
    is down. It only takes once or twice practicing
    to learn how to count the change back.


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me.

    I sometimes use change, to keep up my street cred as an old lady.
    Mostly it get left along with the tip at our local mom & pop Chinese
    joint.

    I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything?

    It's still worth its face value.

    Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.

    It might be an impetus to get retailers to incorporate sales tax
    into the listed price of goods.


    Rounding would be good too. My purchase on this trip was $3.75 but with
    tax it came to $4.01. I didn't have a penny and did not want four of
    them so I gave him a nickle and left. Some places do have pennies
    sitting at the register for times like that.

    I used to go to a farm stand that was great. $5.20 was just $5. I reciprocated at times, $4.80 was also $5.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon May 12 14:04:29 2025
    On 2025-05-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-05-11 10:47 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-05-10, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:


    I literally haven't used change since the pandemic started (March 15,
    2020) for me. I still have some change in my truck, but it's starting to
    get an aged patina on it. Is old metal money worth anything? Is any
    metal money worth anything? Let's drop the decimal after the dollar
    sign and move on.
    Wait! Paper pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters, that's the ticket!
    Shut down the Treasury coin minters! I should get in touch with Elon.
    DOGE! DOGE! DOGE!
    Alas, a printed penny piece of paper is still worth more than a penny,
    and I don't want my taxes to pay for it. :(

    We stopped using pennies more than a decade ago. Nobody misses them.
    Totals are round up or down. It was a real waste to have a heavy coin
    that was worth so little.

    A U.S. penny weighs 2.5 grams. Not a lot for the consumer. Quite
    a bit for the businesses, banks, and mints that have to deal with
    them in quantity.

    Gone are the days when a kid could go into a
    candy store and waste 10 minutes of the store owner's time figuring out
    how much of each he could get with his three pennies.

    Ten minutes? Amateur.

    There was a store right across the street from my grade school
    that sold mostly candy, although I bet they had cigarettes and
    grownup stuff as well.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed May 14 07:07:54 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    We stopped using pennies more than a decade ago. Nobody misses them.
    Totals are round up or down. It was a real waste to have a heavy coin
    that was worth so little. Gone are the days when a kid could go into a
    candy store and waste 10 minutes of the store owner's time figuring out
    how much of each he could get with his three pennies.

    if the goobermint would have a slightly deflationary policy
    they could eventually restore the value of the dollar and thus
    the value of the penny.

    unfortunately they don't take the long view so the chances
    of this actually happening are probably about zero.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed May 14 11:27:10 2025
    On 2025-05-14, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    We stopped using pennies more than a decade ago. Nobody misses them.
    Totals are round up or down. It was a real waste to have a heavy coin
    that was worth so little. Gone are the days when a kid could go into a
    candy store and waste 10 minutes of the store owner's time figuring out
    how much of each he could get with his three pennies.

    if the goobermint would have a slightly deflationary policy
    they could eventually restore the value of the dollar and thus
    the value of the penny.

    unfortunately they don't take the long view so the chances
    of this actually happening are probably about zero.

    Restore the value of the dollar? To what?

    Do you mean "bring prices down so that a penny is worth something
    again"?

    Nah. That's not a good idea.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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