• Juneteenth Menu

    From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 13:07:39 2025
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber
    kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that
    entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this. Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.
    Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable
    one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    Jill

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 17:36:17 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.


    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat.


    Sounds like a great dinner to me!


    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this. Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.


    A slice or two of regular bacon is a good stand in when
    no salt pork of ham hocks are to be had.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jun 19 13:50:47 2025
    On 6/19/2025 1:36 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day.  My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    Yes, it's a Federal holiday.


    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat.


    Sounds like a great dinner to me!


    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.


    A slice or two of regular bacon is a good stand in when
    no salt pork of ham hocks are to be had.

    Sadly I have no bacon, either. Shame on me!

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 14:00:12 2025
    On 6/19/2025 1:07 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day.  My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.
    Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable
    one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    Jill

    No cooking here tonight. I have some cooked and peeled shrimp that I'll
    take out and defrost.

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning. It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear. Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 17:56:20 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:50:47 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 1:36 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:


    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.


    A slice or two of regular bacon is a good stand in when
    no salt pork of ham hocks are to be had.

    Sadly I have no bacon, either. Shame on me!

    Jill


    I guess we're just going to have to confiscate your pots
    and pans and make you eat a whole can of Vienna sausages
    and drink the juice. 😆

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 14:05:03 2025
    On 2025-06-19 1:07 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day.  My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.
    Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable
    one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.


    Junetenth isn't a thing here, or maybe it was nothing until very
    recently. It is unfortunate that some here have adopted an American
    event like this since Canada had abolished slavery long before the US
    did. There had been no slavery before the American Revolution. After independence thousands of American loyalists moved to Canada. A few of
    them brought slaves, not many. That made slavery an issue that had to
    be addressed. There was a compromise allowed them to be kept as slaves,
    but any children they had here would be free. Then in 1833 in was
    abolished completely. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for black Canadians, the vast majority of which are recent immigrants, should give
    credit for the much earlier action on Canada's part.

    At any rate, the ribs sound great. The corn bread sounds great. I would
    take a pass on greens.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jun 19 14:38:38 2025
    On 6/19/2025 2:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-19 1:07 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day.  My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the
    Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all
    that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and
    slow but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the
    pot. Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of
    greens. Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of
    corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a
    notable one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.


    Junetenth isn't a thing here, or maybe it was nothing until very
    recently. It is unfortunate that some here have adopted an American
    event like this since Canada had abolished slavery long before the US
    did. There had been no  slavery before the American  Revolution.

    It's a weird new holiday, Dave. Allegedly it celebrates the last slaves
    in Texas who did not hear about emancipation until 2 years after they
    were freed. So, I'm thinking someone rode up on a horse or a wagon and
    said hey, didn't you know you're free? I don't know why this amounts to
    a Federal holiday. I'm sure that will make me sound racist but I'm not.
    It's about being woke. Heck, the black-owned businesses in this area
    don't shut down for Juneteenth.

    At any rate, the ribs sound great. The corn bread sounds great. I would
    take a pass on greens.

    I like greens, but I don't plan on cooking any. I know the ribs will be
    tasty and leftovers will be just fine. Same with the cornbread. :)

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 19 14:32:07 2025
    On 6/19/2025 2:00 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 1:07 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day.  My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the
    Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all
    that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and
    slow but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the
    pot. Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of
    greens. Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of
    corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a
    notable one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    Jill

    No cooking here tonight.  I have some cooked and peeled shrimp that I'll take out and defrost.

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning.  It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear.  Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.

    From what I hear you need to make sure to put those eye drops in as
    directed after the surgery.

    I had an eye exam last Monday and was told it's a few years off before I
    have to think about cataract surgery.

    Enjoy your shrimp dinner. :)

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jun 19 14:29:36 2025
    On 6/19/2025 1:56 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:50:47 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 1:36 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:


    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this.  Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow >>>> but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.


    A slice or two of regular bacon is a good stand in when
    no salt pork of ham hocks are to be had.

    Sadly I have no bacon, either.  Shame on me!

    Jill


    I guess we're just going to have to confiscate your pots
    and pans and make you eat a whole can of Vienna sausages
    and drink the juice.  😆

    Ewww! :) That's one thing I don't have on hand. Not even for Hurricane
    prep.

    Jill

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 19:17:28 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this. Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.
    Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable
    one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    Jill


    "White Girl Jill" lecturing us about a Negro holiday - "will wonders
    never cease", lol...???

    😎

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    GM

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 19 19:16:09 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:00:12 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    No cooking here tonight. I have some cooked and peeled shrimp that I'll
    take out and defrost.

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning. It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear. Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.


    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jun 19 16:18:20 2025
    On 6/19/2025 3:16 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:00:12 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    No cooking here tonight.  I have some cooked and peeled shrimp that I'll
    take out and defrost.

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning.  It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear.  Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.


    YAY!!  Glad all went well.  I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule.  To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring.  My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me.  Whew!

    In the past, you used different drops pre and post op. Now, same drop
    3X a day for a couple of weeks.

    Vision is improving with time. The first few hours it was like looking
    through ice covered glass with a mosaic pattern. That is gone, now just
    foggy, but better than a couple of hours ago. I took the lens out of my glasses and right now have it covered. The fogginess is too distracting
    yet. Hopefully gone by morning.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 21:49:12 2025
    In article <1031j7c$1cb0$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/19/2025 1:07 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this. Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot. Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    Jill

    No cooking here tonight. I have some cooked and peeled shrimp that I'll
    take out and defrost.

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning. It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear. Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.

    Make yourself a chart for all the eye drops and mark
    them off so you don't skip any. If you have trouble
    putting them in, there's a little applicator gadget you
    can buy (I didn't find that out until long after wards,but
    I wish I'd had one)

    Janet

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jun 19 21:44:23 2025
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jun 19 16:57:03 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Thu Jun 19 21:42:51 2025
    On 2025-06-19, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    I bought a rack of ribs, already smoked and and only lightly sauced.
    I'll be wrapping them in foil and heating them up in the oven on low
    heat. (It's too darn hot outside to slow smoke ribs offside on the Weber kettle charcoal grill for hours, using soaked wood chips and all that entails.)

    I'll be baking a skillet of cornbread to go with this. Traditional
    sides would be turnip greens or collards on the stove top long and slow
    but I don't have any salt pork or smoked ham hocks to add to the pot.
    Besides which, I just don't feel like slow cooking a pot of greens.
    Might cook some spinach in the microwave and maybe an ear of corn, too.

    There are celebration cookouts going on nearby (Penn Center is a notable
    one) but they aren't happening until Saturday.

    For lunch, I got takeout from the bakery. Cheese soup and a big
    soft pretzel for him; a ham, salami, and bacon (Three Little Pigs)
    sandwich for me. My sandwich came with garlic mayo spread on one
    side; I added wholegrain mustard on the other. Oh, it also came
    with a small leaf of lettuce; I added more lettuce.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jun 19 17:57:42 2025
    On 2025-06-19 4:49 p.m., Janet wrote:

    Had my first cataract surgery this morning. It will take a day at least
    for vision to clear. Right now it is like looking through an iced up
    window with a few clear spots.

    Make yourself a chart for all the eye drops and mark
    them off so you don't skip any. If you have trouble
    putting them in, there's a little applicator gadget you
    can buy (I didn't find that out until long after wards,but
    I wish I'd had one)


    The chart is a good idea. We had to make up one for my wife's eye drops
    when she had retinal surgery. She had a whack of different drops, mostly
    with different schedules. There was one that was every hour. The rest
    were every 2,4, 6 or 12 hours. Thank goodness each had a different
    colour top so we colour coded the schedule rather than have to type in
    all their names.

    It was not a fun time. She had to lie face down 24 hours a day for 10
    days and was allowed to get up once an hour to take her drops, go to the bathroom and eat, and had to keep her head down even then. To make
    matters worse, she was not allowed to touch her eyes at all. That meant
    that all the medications in those drops built up on her eye lashes. It
    was scary to see. Fortunately, the surgery worked and her vision was
    restored.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jun 19 18:03:52 2025
    On 2025-06-19 5:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.

    One day a week might work for some people. Just hope that the mail you
    are expecting comes on that one day. Otherwise you will be waiting
    another week for it.

    Some people count on banks more than you do. It is unlikely they would
    reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jun 19 18:43:49 2025
    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too
    for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jun 20 08:58:52 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would
    reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the
    downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too
    for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 20 09:02:46 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 08:58:52 +1000, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would >>> reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the >>> downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too >>for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Actually, I remember cheques a little bit better, but also from the
    90s.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jun 19 18:51:37 2025
    Bruce wrote on 6/19/2025 5:58 PM:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would >>> reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the >>> downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too
    for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.


    I used a check a couple weeks ago to pay a guy and his son for cutting
    down a tree and trimming some other trees. Some small outfits aren't
    set up to process credit cards.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 04:53:52 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:44:23 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    It was sometime last year, maybe in the fall, that I
    went into my bank. I was there to trade a bunch of
    $20 bills for $50 bills. One thing I thought a bit
    odd was an atm machine inside the bank; that would be
    pretty useless on Saturday or Sunday. But if I'm
    short on ready cash when I buy something at a store
    I get cash back then.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jun 20 09:53:58 2025
    On 2025-06-19, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-19 5:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.

    One day a week might work for some people. Just hope that the mail you
    are expecting comes on that one day. Otherwise you will be waiting
    another week for it.

    I don't expect mail. I expect e-mail. If it weren't for Amazon
    "last mile" packages, I'd never get anything besides junk mail.

    Some people count on banks more than you do.

    I count on banks. I count on banks to have a functioning website
    and ATMs.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jun 20 09:51:04 2025
    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 09:59:52 2025
    On 2025-06-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would >>> reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two
    major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the >>> downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank
    at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too >>for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 08:00:12 2025
    On 2025-06-20 3:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would >>>> reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two >>>> major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the >>>> downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank >>>> at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too >>> for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I use cheques for all taxes but through the bank. That way I have
    multiple paper records.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 09:44:23 2025
    On 6/20/2025 5:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too >>> for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to
    actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still
    with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    Ditto! My property taxes are paid to the county treasurer's office; why
    give them extra money?

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Fri Jun 20 21:15:10 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 18:43:49 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Some people count on banks more than you do.  It is unlikely they would >>>> reduce the number of days they offer teller service because there is
    other stuff going on there than just accepting deposits and cashing
    cheques. A major concern around here is bank branches shutting down.Two >>>> major banks have closed their branches in our town. In a nearby city the >>>> downtown branch of our bank moved out and was replaced with a mini bank >>>> at big box plaza.

    Some do but not like in the past, thus the closings. Happening here too >>>for that reason.

    I go to the ATM about every 6 to 8 weeks. Have not had reason to >>>actually go inside for a couple of years. Most of my banking is still >>>with my CT bank, all on line. I can deposit the one or two checks a
    year with my phone.

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jun 20 11:57:23 2025
    On 2025-06-20 10:00 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-20 3:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I vaguely remember checks from the 90s.

    Checks are popular among older people.  Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid.  If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168.  I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I use cheques for all taxes but through the bank. That way I have
    multiple paper records.




    My mother had hassles with the CRA and it was handy to have had a
    cancelled cheque. It started with her making the mistake of being
    honest. He had received an annuity cheque for much more than it should
    have been so she sent it back. At the end of the year they sent her a T3
    for the one she had send back and one for the one with the proper
    amount. Since she had send the one back she ignored it.

    Then they started hassling them. They demanded immediate payment for
    about $1200. She paid it, but then my mother arranged for an amended T3
    and refiled. Because of the amount she had initially owed they wanted
    her to make quarterly remittances, which she did. Then they claimed she
    owed them money. They had no record of the money she had paid. They
    managed to lose it. She had the cancelled cheque to show she had paid
    it. To add insult to injury, all the time they were hassling her about
    the payment they had lost track of, they still owed her the $1200 she
    had paid them when the trouble started.

    FWIW, I take my income tax remittance form to the bank and got it
    stamped. Even that can go wrong, but there is a record. A couple years
    ago we both owed so my wife took the two forms over to the bank. The
    teller stamped the one on top, stapled it to the second one. When my
    wife got home she filed it away with out income tax records. A month or
    so later we got a nastygram from CRA looking for my income tax payment.
    She pulled out the records and realized that the teller had only stamped
    the her receipt, not mine. She checked her account and realized that
    they had only taken the money for her taxes, not mine.

    We went over to the bank to get spoke to the manager and got it
    straightened out. The bank even offered to pay the interest I had been
    charged.

    FWIW, we get minimal income tax deducted and my wife has a special
    account for income tax. She has one of her pension cheques deposited
    into that account. We know we are going to have to pay every year but it
    is not a problem because the money has been set aside. She makes a
    little interest on it.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 17:10:43 2025
    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's,
    charges a hefty fee for online payments.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 16:43:18 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 12:33:27 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    you've been lucky.

    i've not had too many things happen, but a few minor
    mistakes - mostly back in the day when they were doing
    things by hand. in more recent times i had a spurious
    transaction show up in my history and it made me really
    wonder how they did things at that place (which was not
    the institution but the place that ran the records behind
    the scenes). not long later they changed to someone
    else.


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to firstname@lastname.oc.ku on Sat Jun 21 03:23:51 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 20 17:34:44 2025
    dsi1 wrote:


    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.


    From VIEW FROM THE WING:


    British Airways Booking Error Dumps Flight Attendants In 24-Hour Orgy
    Motel —‘Suspicious Fluids’ Leave Crew Unfit To Fly


    "British Airways pilots and flight attendants were forced to stay in an
    orgy hotel in Milan when their normal layover hotel was full. The
    carrier’s outsourced travel desk blundered – intending to book crew into the four star Mo.om Hotel in Varese. Instead, they misentered the
    property and booked the Mo.om Motel, a sex motel where rooms rent by the hour...

    Rooms at the hotel feature bondage beds and swing frames; mirrored
    ceilings; “human-dog” cages and leather harnesses; sex toys – and one of their rooms contained a spa bath moulded in the shape of a vagina...

    While on property, crew reported a continuous 24-hour orgy in adjacent
    rooms (“moaning and groaning all day and night”), “suspicious fluids” in
    several rooms, plus prostitution and drug dealing in the parking lot...

    Several of the crewmembers declared themselves “unfit to fly” the next morning from failing to achieve actual minimally-required rest, though
    the airline says flights out of Milan weren’t delayed as a result...'


    😍

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 18:18:52 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jun 20 18:17:54 2025
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sat Jun 21 04:28:45 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister >><firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 19:14:32 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:17:54 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Payments at the state and federal level.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 22:47:57 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:59:52 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.


    Me, too! Tax accessor will gladly take a debit or
    credit card, but there's a fee attached to that
    payment method. They get a check from me each
    year and in person. Only in person because
    their office is three miles from my house and
    after paying them then it's off for some shopping
    and eating lunch while I'm out.

    One of the local banks about 7 blocks from my
    house was taking property tax payments 5 or 6
    years ago. I paid there, but it took about 7
    days before my check cleared the bank instead
    of the normal 2 days when I pay in person. I'm
    putting that down to the payments were probably
    only collected once a week.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 22:58:30 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:23:51 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it.


    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.


    When we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.


    I've not seen anyone use a check at any store for any
    transaction in several years. Everything is a card
    purchase or cash.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Jun 21 09:29:34 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:58:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:23:51 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it.

    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.

    When we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    I've not seen anyone use a check at any store for any
    transaction in several years. Everything is a card
    purchase or cash.

    Yes, here too, debit cards the most.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 19:27:56 2025
    On 6/20/2025 2:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>> pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's,
    charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, they're just passing the processing fees along. No need to pay by
    CC if you can pay another way without it.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 20 19:30:55 2025
    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to j_mcquown@comcast.net on Sat Jun 21 09:36:53 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 19:30:55 -0400, Jill McQuown
    <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    I think it's really cool when he speaks for all of the 5 billion
    Asians. That's awesome.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jun 20 19:04:04 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/20/2025 6:30 PM:
    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s> >>>>>>
    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was
    open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

    LOL your Majesty!

    It's fun. Remember when Johnny Carson divined predictions from
    envelopes while wearing outlandish turbans and mystic garb?

    Swami Johnny (and uncle Tojo) see all, and know all.

    Perhaps your Highness was too young to remember.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 19:06:46 2025
    Bruce wrote on 6/20/2025 6:36 PM:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 19:30:55 -0400, Jill McQuown
    <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    I think it's really cool when he speaks for all of the 5 billion
    Asians. That's awesome.


    And don't forget all da Hawaiians, Master.

    And us folks on da mainland wouldn't know shit if it weren't for Uncle.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jun 20 20:13:34 2025
    On 6/20/2025 7:30 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>>> Independence Day.  My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept.  I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s> >>>>>>
    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy.  Banks could >>>>>> be open one day a month.  I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was
    open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up.  Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

    They are not predictions. David lives in the future, many years ahead
    of us and see where we are headed. He is trying to save us from the
    error of our ways. I'm grateful for his knowledge of what we will face
    years from now. .

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 00:17:47 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.


    I still write an occasional check for work done around the house by contractors. I pay my property taxes by using Bill-Pay from my bank.
    Enter the amount, and voilà, done. Would the township charge for that?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 00:30:33 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card. Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.


    I'm starting to get it. They were talking "credit-card" charges. I can
    see that. I'll still stick with bill-pay and an account that will cover
    it.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jun 20 19:27:15 2025
    Ed P wrote on 6/20/2025 7:13 PM:
    On 6/20/2025 7:30 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday.  Juneteenth, aka
    National
    Independence Day.  My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept.  I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s> >>>>>>>
    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy.  Banks could >>>>>>> be open one day a month.  I don't go into the bank even one day >>>>>>> a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was >>>>>> open.

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up.  Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

    They are not predictions. David lives in the future, many years ahead
    of us and see where we are headed. He is trying to save us from the
    error of our ways. I'm grateful for his knowledge of what we will face
    years from now. .

    Indeed. Uncle Tojo was the real subject of the TIME TUNNEL. Back then
    they substituted actors to play his role.

    Again, Uncle sees all and knows all.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jun 20 20:38:22 2025
    On 6/20/2025 8:30 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.


    I'm starting to get it. They were talking "credit-card" charges. I can
    see that. I'll still stick with bill-pay and an account that will cover
    it.

    Yes, we're talking about credit cards vs. checks or other payment
    methods. Some people still pay for things using checks. Not
    everything, but some things.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sat Jun 21 10:34:03 2025
    On 21 Jun 2025 00:17:47 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.


    I still write an occasional check for work done around the house by >contractors. I pay my property taxes by using Bill-Pay from my bank.
    Enter the amount, and voilà, done. Would the township charge for that?

    Most tradespeople send an invoice afterwards. If they need payment on
    the spot, it's cash.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 00:36:43 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:29:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:58:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.


    Oh, I can log onto the city's tax accessors website and
    pay the bill directly, BUT I'm going to be hit with a
    fee for choosing that payment method. It's an outside
    agency handling debit and credit payments. Only thing
    I can sorta kinda maybe equate it with is buying a car
    from a dealership but paying the car note through a bank.
    That's not the best analogy though.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to j_mcquown@comcast.net on Sat Jun 21 10:43:52 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 20:38:22 -0400, Jill McQuown
    <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 8:30 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    I'm starting to get it. They were talking "credit-card" charges. I can
    see that. I'll still stick with bill-pay and an account that will cover
    it.

    Yes, we're talking about credit cards vs. checks or other payment
    methods. Some people still pay for things using checks. Not
    everything, but some things.

    I wonder if dsi1's "kids" still pay with cheques or if it's an old
    people thing.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Jun 21 10:42:57 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:36:43 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:29:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:58:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.


    Oh, I can log onto the city's tax accessors website and
    pay the bill directly, BUT I'm going to be hit with a
    fee for choosing that payment method. It's an outside
    agency handling debit and credit payments. Only thing
    I can sorta kinda maybe equate it with is buying a car
    from a dealership but paying the car note through a bank.
    That's not the best analogy though.

    So you're on a website of the city, but when you pay it goes via an
    outside company. Maybe the owner of the outside company is related to
    the mayor of the city?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 00:50:11 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 0:42:57 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:36:43 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    I can log onto the city's tax accessors website and
    pay the bill directly, BUT I'm going to be hit with a
    fee for choosing that payment method. It's an outside
    agency handling debit and credit payments. Only thing
    I can sorta kinda maybe equate it with is buying a car
    from a dealership but paying the car note through a bank.
    That's not the best analogy though.

    So you're on a website of the city, but when you pay it goes via an
    outside company. Maybe the owner of the outside company is related to
    the mayor of the city?


    I'm guessing it goes to an outside company, I've never
    attempted to pay online when I see that fee. But if
    whoever is the owner of this outside company is
    related to the mayor, they must be related to several
    of the past mayors as well. This fee and option has
    been available for several years.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 20 19:54:47 2025
    Bruce wrote on 6/20/2025 7:42 PM:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:36:43 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:29:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:58:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.


    Oh, I can log onto the city's tax accessors website and
    pay the bill directly, BUT I'm going to be hit with a
    fee for choosing that payment method. It's an outside
    agency handling debit and credit payments. Only thing
    I can sorta kinda maybe equate it with is buying a car
    from a dealership but paying the car note through a bank.
    That's not the best analogy though.

    So you're on a website of the city, but when you pay it goes via an
    outside company. Maybe the owner of the outside company is related to
    the mayor of the city?


    This is America dumbass. Everybody and his brother gets a cut of the
    action. The best we can do is to minimize the cost of paying the bastards.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 00:55:01 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:30:55 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

    What vague predictions? Can you be a little more specific? Predictions
    like data centers, electric cars, a ban on ICE vehicles in Europe,
    autonomous flying taxis, electric planes, self-driving cars?

    Well, I was wrong about self-driving cars. I was hypnotized by E. Musk.
    That's no longer the case. I'm cured.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/mERHx7cuR-g/m/pxP2zqKhAQAJ

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Jun 21 01:00:26 2025
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sat Jun 21 01:10:21 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Hank Rogers wrote:

    This is America dumbass.

    Hank, Bruce knows that.

    Everybody and his brother gets a cut of
    the action. The best we can do is to
    minimize the cost of paying the bastards.

    That's what Jesus was thinking when he
    kicked over the money-changer tables.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Sat Jun 21 00:25:02 2025
    On 2025-06-20, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, charges a hefty fee for online payments.


    It is time for both of your towns to join the 21st Century. Vote 'em
    out, and let them know why. Rapid change will ensue.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jun 21 00:41:37 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 0:17:47 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I pay my property taxes by using Bill-Pay from my bank.
    Enter the amount, and voilà, done. Would the township charge for that?


    Nashville's population is 686,513 and yes, they do.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 01:16:34 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I boldly predict that there will
    be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on.

    Don't you love it when David
    makes vague predictions?

    I will take the ordinary prediction
    that "there will be lots of scew-ups
    of people *NOT* receiving payments"
    vs. David's extrordinary predictions
    of screw-ups of receiving payments.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jun 20 21:16:22 2025
    On 6/20/2025 9:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?


    There are other benefits. Growing up, we were always told that if you masturbate you will go blind. Once the implants are in place, you are
    good to go!

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jun 21 01:24:16 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 1:00:26 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    My guess is that you've seen everything that you want to see already. I
    used to have some spotting in my retinas caused by diabetes. I'd go to
    the Institute every few months and they'd scan my retina by injecting
    dye into my arm and snapping pictures. Then they'd laser the spots.
    Sometimes, they'd inject some drug into my eyeballs. This went on for
    quite a while. I finally decided to get off the merry-go-round and not
    go to the Institute because it seemed to just be a money making scheme.
    It was the best decision I've ever made. I like my life a lot more now,
    of course I'm blind.*

    *Just kidding.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 20 20:21:44 2025
    dsi1 wrote on 6/20/2025 7:55 PM:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:30:55 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill

    What vague predictions? Can you be a little more specific? Predictions
    like data centers, electric cars, a ban on ICE vehicles in Europe,
    autonomous flying taxis, electric planes, self-driving cars?

    Well, I was wrong about self-driving cars. I was hypnotized by E. Musk. That's no longer the case. I'm cured.


    It's OK Tojo. Even da hawaiians fuck up every now and then.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jun 20 21:32:35 2025
    On 6/20/2025 9:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    Don't want to drive? I'm not ready to give that up yet. I have places
    to go.

    It has been quite an experience. Yesterday, vision was a mess and was
    thinking I want the cataract back. I popped the left lens out of my
    glasses and for the early part of the day blocked it off as no vision
    was better than the mess I was seeing. By mid evening, much improved.

    Today, much better. Saw the doctor for follow up and he said "looks
    good" and now it is greatly improved. By tomorrow, should be close th
    as good as it will get.

    Only disappointment, the restrictions. I was given a list of activities
    not to do for the next week. They included bowling, golf, sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jun 21 01:54:54 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 1:16:34 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I boldly predict that there will
    be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on.

    Don't you love it when David
    makes vague predictions?

    I will take the ordinary prediction
    that "there will be lots of scew-ups
    of people *NOT* receiving payments"
    vs. David's extrordinary predictions
    of screw-ups of receiving payments.

    You have a problem with interpreting English. Newsgroups seem to have
    problems with people not understanding how language is used. Working
    with computers in the early days kind of fucks people up. That's the
    breaks. My father-in-law had that problem. He was an old time computer programmer at the machine level but had a hard time understanding high
    level languages like Basic.

    Sorry, but I don't operate at your low-level, explicit, inflexible,
    language level. I prefer unbound freedom when expressing myself. I mean,
    I ain't writing manuals here. You're just going to have to let it go. Unfortunately, I doubt that people like you are capable of just letting
    it go. Yoose guys should form a club.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jun 21 04:58:57 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    There are other benefits. Growing up, we were always told that if you masturbate you will go blind. Once the implants are in place, you are
    good to go!


    Good Lord, it was true! So far though, no hairy palms, knock on wood.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 16:29:57 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 19:54:47 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 6/20/2025 7:42 PM:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 00:36:43 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.

    Oh, I can log onto the city's tax accessors website and
    pay the bill directly, BUT I'm going to be hit with a
    fee for choosing that payment method. It's an outside
    agency handling debit and credit payments. Only thing
    I can sorta kinda maybe equate it with is buying a car
    from a dealership but paying the car note through a bank.
    That's not the best analogy though.

    So you're on a website of the city, but when you pay it goes via an
    outside company. Maybe the owner of the outside company is related to
    the mayor of the city?

    This is America dumbass. Everybody and his brother gets a cut of the
    action. The best we can do is to minimize the cost of paying the bastards.

    Which part of the US is America Dumbass? Is that in the south?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sat Jun 21 16:35:00 2025
    On 21 Jun 2025 01:00:26 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    It might improve your perception of reality!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From .@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jun 21 03:30:22 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    My mother had hassles with the CRA and it was handy to have had a
    cancelled cheque.


    Zzzzzzzzzzz

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jun 21 08:32:33 2025
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I boldly predict that there will
    be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on.

    Don't you love it when David
    makes vague predictions?

    I will take the ordinary prediction
    that "there will be lots of scew-ups
    of people *NOT* receiving payments"
    vs. David's extrordinary predictions
    of screw-ups of receiving payments.


    The unidentified black car in #3 looks to be a 1952 Olds sedan...

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jun 21 09:27:04 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Hank Rogers wrote:

    This is America dumbass.

    Hank, Bruce knows that.

    Everybody and his brother gets a cut of
    the action. The best we can do is to
    minimize the cost of paying the bastards.

    That's what Jesus was thinking when he
    kicked over the money-changer tables.

    Only because they were in the temple. If they'd been in
    the marketplace, he would have left them alone.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jun 21 09:31:35 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.


    I still write an occasional check for work done around the house by contractors. I pay my property taxes by using Bill-Pay from my bank.
    Enter the amount, and voilà, done. Would the township charge for that?

    I don't think they'd accept that.

    Summer taxes will be along soon. Maybe I'll poke down into their
    "pay online" link and see where I end up.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 09:25:27 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:58:30 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:23:51 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>>>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it.

    I'm supposing Sheila's and Cindy's towns hire someone else
    to do the online payments. At least that's the way it is
    here, none of the card transactions are handled by the city
    and that's how those outside financial institutions make
    their money by charging a fee.

    Oh, that sounds complicated. I just pay straight into the council's
    account.

    I could pay using an eCheck; the township would only charge me $1.50
    for that. I can write a check for pennies and put it in the dropbox
    at township hall while I'm going past it on another errand.

    https://paysimple.com/blog/how-do-echecks-work/

    When we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a >>> cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    I've not seen anyone use a check at any store for any
    transaction in several years. Everything is a card
    purchase or cash.

    Yes, here too, debit cards the most.

    In the U.S., 5.6 million people don't use a bank and, thus, don't
    have a debit card. Obviously, they aren't writing checks; they
    pay cash or perhaps use a prepaid gift card.

    I don't pay attention to other shoppers at the supermarket. It's
    possible there are old ladies using checks. When I first started
    using my credit card to pay for groceries, I felt like I was the
    oldest person doing that.

    I use my debit card only at my own bank, since the legal protections
    are so weak.

    "Under the EFTA, if you report a lost or stolen debit card within two
    business days, your liability is limited to $50 for unauthorized
    transactions. If you report it within 60 days, your liability is limited
    to $500. After 60 days, your liability could be unlimited if you haven't reported the issue."

    I believe the protections are similar if you stick your card in
    a skimmer.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 09:37:31 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 21 Jun 2025 00:17:47 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Checks are popular among older people. Many youngsters have
    never written a check.

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.


    I still write an occasional check for work done around the house by >>contractors. I pay my property taxes by using Bill-Pay from my bank.
    Enter the amount, and voilà, done. Would the township charge for that?

    Most tradespeople send an invoice afterwards. If they need payment on
    the spot, it's cash.

    It's about 50/50 with the few contractors I use. Asphalt sealing
    every couple of years. Roofers every few decades. Tree service
    on an irregular basis. ISTR a fee for credit card usage with
    at least one of them.

    If a contractor wants payment on the spot, he gets a check.
    I'm not about to hand $5000 or $10000 in cash to one of the
    employees. We had an old roofer checking out a leak; he and
    his sons _were_ the business. He charged $100 cash.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jun 21 09:39:45 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.


    I'm starting to get it. They were talking "credit-card" charges. I can
    see that. I'll still stick with bill-pay and an account that will cover
    it.

    The township where I live charges for electronic "checks" for
    property tax payment.

    I have my water bill set up for a recurring payment straight from
    my checking account. I have no idea why they don't charge for that.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jun 21 09:41:44 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    YAY!! Glad all went well. I hope they explained thoroughly
    your eyedrops schedule. To me, my instructions weren't that
    clear and thankfully the doctors office called the next day
    to see how I was faring. My statement to the assistant/nurse
    about when to use the drops gave her pause and she then
    explained the confusing schedule to me. Whew!


    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    Because you have an alternative to driving?

    My husband doesn't drive. My mother doesn't drive. It's me
    or nuthin'. My husband and I could scrape by with Uber, but
    not my mother.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sat Jun 21 19:56:04 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:25:27 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    In the U.S., 5.6 million people don't use a bank and, thus, don't
    have a debit card. Obviously, they aren't writing checks; they
    pay cash or perhaps use a prepaid gift card.

    They must be homeless people or similar.

    I don't pay attention to other shoppers at the supermarket. It's
    possible there are old ladies using checks. When I first started
    using my credit card to pay for groceries, I felt like I was the
    oldest person doing that.

    I only noticed the old people and their cheques, many years ago,
    because they slowed things down in the queue. "Where's my chequebook?
    And where's my pen? Is this it? Oh no, that's a peppermint."

    I use my debit card only at my own bank, since the legal protections
    are so weak.

    I've never given a moment's thought to the legal protections of my
    debit card. But it doesn't require a pin code for payments under 100
    AUD, so I don't want to lose it. I don't know how that works with
    credit cards.

    "Under the EFTA, if you report a lost or stolen debit card within two >business days, your liability is limited to $50 for unauthorized >transactions. If you report it within 60 days, your liability is limited
    to $500. After 60 days, your liability could be unlimited if you haven't >reported the issue."

    I believe the protections are similar if you stick your card in
    a skimmer.

    I could lose my debit card (or credit card or driving licence) and not
    notice it for 2 months. I don't pay much.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sat Jun 21 20:11:43 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:37:31 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Most tradespeople send an invoice afterwards. If they need payment on
    the spot, it's cash.

    It's about 50/50 with the few contractors I use. Asphalt sealing
    every couple of years. Roofers every few decades. Tree service
    on an irregular basis. ISTR a fee for credit card usage with
    at least one of them.

    I mainly hear about credit card fees for American Express.

    If a contractor wants payment on the spot, he gets a check.
    I'm not about to hand $5000 or $10000 in cash to one of the
    employees. We had an old roofer checking out a leak; he and
    his sons _were_ the business. He charged $100 cash.

    Thousands is a risky amount. People who cost more than a couple of
    hundred will always provide or send an invoice here. So I pay them
    through electronic banking, straight away. Lawn mower repairs (100-300
    AUD) were always cash.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 12:14:32 2025
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister >><firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year, >>>>> that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >>>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card. Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    Janet UK

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 12:50:24 2025
    In article <7390a639757b45930d8f893df76ff298
    @www.novabbs.org>, dsi100@yahoo.com says...

    Sorry, but I don't operate at your low-level, explicit, inflexible,
    language level. I prefer unbound freedom when expressing myself.


    Beautiful words. They are the biggest and bestest
    words the world has ever known.

    Janet UK

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jun 21 07:28:04 2025
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Jun 21 21:21:23 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:14:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    That's good because you're all very poor since Brexit.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 12:31:33 2025
    In article <1034qvg$afiu$2@dont-email.me>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...

    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s> >>>>>
    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    I guess this means he's given up guessing.

    Janet UK

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 12:58:45 2025
    In article <mbmeh9Fbp79U4@mid.individual.net>,
    leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...

    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule
    opacifiction.

    "Posterior capsule opacification (PCO), also known as a
    secondary cataract, is a common complication after
    cataract surgery "

    Janet UK

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 12:42:29 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:37:31 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Most tradespeople send an invoice afterwards. If they need payment on
    the spot, it's cash.

    It's about 50/50 with the few contractors I use. Asphalt sealing
    every couple of years. Roofers every few decades. Tree service
    on an irregular basis. ISTR a fee for credit card usage with
    at least one of them.

    I mainly hear about credit card fees for American Express.

    Those annual fees are different from the vendor charging an
    extra 2-4% to cover his costs.

    If a contractor wants payment on the spot, he gets a check.
    I'm not about to hand $5000 or $10000 in cash to one of the
    employees. We had an old roofer checking out a leak; he and
    his sons _were_ the business. He charged $100 cash.

    Thousands is a risky amount. People who cost more than a couple of
    hundred will always provide or send an invoice here. So I pay them
    through electronic banking, straight away. Lawn mower repairs (100-300
    AUD) were always cash.

    We almost never hire a contractor for small jobs. The old guy on
    the roof was an unusual exception. Asphalt sealing is under $1000,
    but I can't remember the last time the tree guy came and went for
    less than $3000.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Jun 21 12:47:55 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year,
    that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They
    email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but >> >>>pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >> >>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    How does the bank support the use of those means of payment? Don't
    they charge the vendor?

    We're not talking about the bank charging a fee. We're talking about
    the vendor charging a fee to cover the costs he must pay the bank
    for credit or debit transactions. There's usually a flat fee per
    transaction on the order of $1.50, plus 2-4% of the transaction
    amount if it's a credit card. That $1.50 flat fee charged to
    the vendor by the bank is why a minimum credit card transaction
    of $5 is often imposed by small vendors.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 13:49:08 2025
    In article <10364jj$11hlb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:14:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    That's good because you're all very poor since Brexit.

    You've moved to Hawaii? Oh dear, sorry to hear that.
    Janet UK

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Jun 21 12:48:46 2025
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 14:23:04 2025
    In article <10369lr$12hft$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
    @invalid.com says...

    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges
    2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year, >> >>>>> that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They >> >>>> email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's, >> >>>charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    How does the bank support the use of those means of payment? Don't
    they charge the vendor?

    I imagine banks here make their money from the interest
    charged to customers who owe them money.

    We're not talking about the bank charging a fee. We're talking about
    the vendor charging a fee to cover the costs he must pay the bank
    for credit or debit transactions. There's usually a flat fee per
    transaction on the order of $1.50, plus 2-4% of the transaction

    In UK, by law businesses can't pass that expense to the
    customer.

    Consumer Rights (Payment Surcharges)
    Regulations 2012


    Janet UK

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 10:08:10 2025
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    Of course Ed was joking. And since he just had surgery for cataracts
    maybe that's why the post showed up 3 times... or perhaps his ISP
    burped. It happens sometimes.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 11:54:23 2025
    On 6/21/2025 10:08 AM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse.  My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

       some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    Of course Ed was joking.  And since he just had surgery for cataracts
    maybe that's why the post showed up 3 times... or perhaps his ISP
    burped.  It happens sometimes.

    Jill

    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later. So, I did.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 11:51:44 2025
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.


    I guess Songbird does not appreciate the prep work that bowlers and
    golfer have to do for good equipment.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jun 21 12:13:54 2025
    On 6/21/2025 11:54 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 10:08 AM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse.  My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

       some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    Of course Ed was joking.  And since he just had surgery for cataracts
    maybe that's why the post showed up 3 times... or perhaps his ISP
    burped.  It happens sometimes.

    Jill

    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later.  So, I did.

    I find I sometimes have to close Thunderbird then launch it again to get
    it connect to the news server.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 16:46:07 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    Of course Ed was joking. And since he just had surgery for cataracts
    maybe that's why the post showed up 3 times... or perhaps his ISP
    burped. It happens sometimes.

    Three kinds of balls. Three posts. ;-)

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Jun 21 16:45:42 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <10369lr$12hft$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
    @invalid.com says...

    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges >> >> >>>>> 2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year, >> >> >>>>> that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They >> >> >>>> email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's,
    charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When >> >> >> we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    How does the bank support the use of those means of payment? Don't
    they charge the vendor?

    I imagine banks here make their money from the interest
    charged to customers who owe them money.

    Banks do that here as well.

    We're not talking about the bank charging a fee. We're talking about
    the vendor charging a fee to cover the costs he must pay the bank
    for credit or debit transactions. There's usually a flat fee per
    transaction on the order of $1.50, plus 2-4% of the transaction

    In UK, by law businesses can't pass that expense to the
    customer.

    Consumer Rights (Payment Surcharges)
    Regulations 2012

    Consumer law in the U.S. is extremely weak. Banks "lobby"
    so that we don't have that kind of legislation.

    In fact, Trump recently disbanded the Consumer Finance Protection
    Bureau.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 14:21:04 2025
    On 6/21/2025 12:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 8:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...sexual
    intercourse. My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.

    some details we don't need to hear about, yet alone three
    or four times...

    Honestly, I'd rather hear about Ed's balls than anything that
    GM has to say.

    Of course Ed was joking. And since he just had surgery for cataracts
    maybe that's why the post showed up 3 times... or perhaps his ISP
    burped. It happens sometimes.

    Three kinds of balls. Three posts. ;-)

    LOL At least Ed doesn't talk about shaving his glabrous nads.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 15:26:36 2025
    On 2025-06-21 12:45 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <10369lr$12hft$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
    @invalid.com says...

    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges >>>>>>>>>> 2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year, >>>>>>>>>> that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that >>>>>>>>>> money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They >>>>>>>>> email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's,
    charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When >>>>>>> we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a >>>>>>> cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card. >>>>> Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a >>>>> debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    How does the bank support the use of those means of payment? Don't
    they charge the vendor?

    I imagine banks here make their money from the interest
    charged to customers who owe them money.

    Banks do that here as well.

    We're not talking about the bank charging a fee. We're talking about
    the vendor charging a fee to cover the costs he must pay the bank
    for credit or debit transactions. There's usually a flat fee per
    transaction on the order of $1.50, plus 2-4% of the transaction

    In UK, by law businesses can't pass that expense to the
    customer.

    Consumer Rights (Payment Surcharges)
    Regulations 2012

    Consumer law in the U.S. is extremely weak. Banks "lobby"
    so that we don't have that kind of legislation.

    There are lots of well paid lobbyist who are pushing to make things
    profitable for companies at the expense of the people. The For Profit
    Health Care system is one of them.



    In fact, Trump recently disbanded the Consumer Finance Protection
    Bureau.


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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 15:24:32 2025
    On 2025-06-21 12:13 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 11:54 AM, Ed P wrote:


    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later.  So, I did.

    I find I sometimes have to close Thunderbird then launch it again to get
    it connect to the news server.

    With TB these days I have to finish my post, go to RFC folder, switch to another folder and then back to RFC and then send. Otherwise is may not
    get posted. If it doesn't, then I have to go to my Sent folder to
    retrieve my unsent post, copy my input, then back to RFC and follow up
    to the old post and Copy my input, then send again.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Sun Jun 22 05:34:49 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 13:49:08 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <10364jj$11hlb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:14:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    That's good because you're all very poor since Brexit.

    You've moved to Hawaii? Oh dear, sorry to hear that.

    Wut? I hear alarming things about the UK. London has turned into a
    third world city. The NHS is a complete mess. People who need urgent
    surgery are on endless waiting lists. And people generally regret
    having voted for Brexit.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sun Jun 22 05:31:54 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:42:29 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:37:31 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton >><chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Most tradespeople send an invoice afterwards. If they need payment on
    the spot, it's cash.

    It's about 50/50 with the few contractors I use. Asphalt sealing
    every couple of years. Roofers every few decades. Tree service
    on an irregular basis. ISTR a fee for credit card usage with
    at least one of them.

    I mainly hear about credit card fees for American Express.

    Those annual fees are different from the vendor charging an
    extra 2-4% to cover his costs.

    I meant those vendor fees.

    If a contractor wants payment on the spot, he gets a check.
    I'm not about to hand $5000 or $10000 in cash to one of the
    employees. We had an old roofer checking out a leak; he and
    his sons _were_ the business. He charged $100 cash.

    Thousands is a risky amount. People who cost more than a couple of
    hundred will always provide or send an invoice here. So I pay them
    through electronic banking, straight away. Lawn mower repairs (100-300
    AUD) were always cash.

    We almost never hire a contractor for small jobs. The old guy on
    the roof was an unusual exception. Asphalt sealing is under $1000,
    but I can't remember the last time the tree guy came and went for
    less than $3000.

    A couple of months ago we hired a tree guy to remove several rogues
    trees that we'd let go and had become big, plus we had a few fallen
    giant gum trees. He arrived with a crew of 5 men. They worked for a
    couple of hours and only charged us 750 AUD (450 USD). A guy cleaned
    our roof, from where we harvest our drinking water, at 700 AUD. An
    electrician worked for 5 days on our place at 6500 AUD. They all sent
    an invoice afterwards.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Sun Jun 22 05:35:32 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 14:23:04 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <10369lr$12hft$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
    @invalid.com says...

    On 2025-06-21, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <103498u$662j$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:10:43 +0100, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I write checks for my property taxes because the township charges >> >> >>>>> 2.8% of the amount paid. If I pay $6000 in property tax per year, >> >> >>>>> that's an extra $168. I'll happily write a check to keep that
    money in my pocket.

    I would too in that case. We pay council rates every 3 months. They >> >> >>>> email the bill to me and I pay using online banking.

    I pay the council tax on our Scottish property using online banking, but
    pay the property tax on the US one by check, as our town, like Cindy's,
    charges a hefty fee for online payments.

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When >> >> >> we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    No bank charges here for using credit card, debit card,
    cheque or direct debit.

    How does the bank support the use of those means of payment? Don't
    they charge the vendor?

    I imagine banks here make their money from the interest
    charged to customers who owe them money.

    We're not talking about the bank charging a fee. We're talking about
    the vendor charging a fee to cover the costs he must pay the bank
    for credit or debit transactions. There's usually a flat fee per
    transaction on the order of $1.50, plus 2-4% of the transaction

    In UK, by law businesses can't pass that expense to the
    customer.

    Consumer Rights (Payment Surcharges)
    Regulations 2012

    Of course, nobody can stop them from including those fees in the
    product prices.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jun 21 15:38:20 2025
    On 2025-06-20 9:31 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 9:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Today, much better.  Saw the doctor for follow up and he said "looks
    good" and now it is greatly improved.  By tomorrow, should be close th
    as good as it will get.

    Only disappointment, the restrictions.  I was given a list of activities
    not to do for the next week.  They included bowling, golf, sexual intercourse.  My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.


    The Boy Scouts taught us to be prepared. It is nice of golf courses to
    install ball washers but those things can be nasty.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sun Jun 22 05:43:42 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 15:24:32 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21 12:13 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 11:54 AM, Ed P wrote:


    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later.  So, I did.

    I find I sometimes have to close Thunderbird then launch it again to get
    it connect to the news server.

    With TB these days I have to finish my post, go to RFC folder, switch to >another folder and then back to RFC and then send. Otherwise is may not
    get posted. If it doesn't, then I have to go to my Sent folder to
    retrieve my unsent post, copy my input, then back to RFC and follow up
    to the old post and Copy my input, then send again.

    Thunderbird is trying to tell you something.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jun 21 17:12:22 2025
    On 6/21/2025 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-20 9:31 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 9:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Today, much better.  Saw the doctor for follow up and he said "looks
    good" and now it is greatly improved.  By tomorrow, should be close th
    as good as it will get.

    Only disappointment, the restrictions.  I was given a list of
    activities not to do for the next week.  They included bowling, golf,
    sexual intercourse.  My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.


    The Boy Scouts taught us to be prepared.  It is nice of golf courses to install ball washers but those things can be nasty.

    Its the harsh detergent.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jun 21 17:34:19 2025
    On 2025-06-21 5:12 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-20 9:31 p.m., Ed P wrote:

    Only disappointment, the restrictions.  I was given a list of
    activities not to do for the next week.  They included bowling, golf,
    sexual intercourse.  My balls are shined up but can't use them yet.


    The Boy Scouts taught us to be prepared.  It is nice of golf courses
    to install ball washers but those things can be nasty.

    Its the harsh detergent.


    Nuts to that.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jun 21 18:03:23 2025
    On 6/21/2025 3:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-21 12:13 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 11:54 AM, Ed P wrote:


    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later.  So, I did.

    I find I sometimes have to close Thunderbird then launch it again to
    get it connect to the news server.

    With TB these days I have to finish my post, go to RFC folder, switch to another folder and then back to RFC and then send. Otherwise is may not
    get posted. If it doesn't, then I have to go to my Sent folder to
    retrieve my unsent post, copy my input, then back to RFC and follow up
    to the old post and Copy my input, then send again.


    That's a PITA. I don't have to do all that to get things to post.

    Jill

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jun 21 19:14:38 2025
    On 6/19/2025 5:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    Soon to come: "Juneteenth car and furniture sales".


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    I go to my bank at least twice per month. I don't think business owners
    would share your sentiment. Open once per month is long time to wait,
    when you normally make a deposit every few days.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 21 19:25:24 2025
    On 6/20/2025 2:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    Our local grocer has discontinued the acceptance of paper checks as a
    form of payment, with the exception of people who have already been
    using checks to pay. I guess that makes sense, in order to cut down on
    check fraud. The tellers are usually surprised that my account allows
    me to pay via check. Presumably, most of the check-paying clientele are elderly.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card. Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    It was legalized in the US to transfer card fees to the consumer. Our
    shop now passes the 3.5 per cent card fee along to the customer. This
    fee applies to both credit and debit cards. I'm blown away that most
    people don't blink an eye paying an extra $3.5 per $100 transaction.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sat Jun 21 19:17:20 2025
    On 2025-06-21 6:03 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 3:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-21 12:13 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/21/2025 11:54 AM, Ed P wrote:


    Thunderbird said it did not connect, try again later.  So, I did.

    I find I sometimes have to close Thunderbird then launch it again to
    get it connect to the news server.

    With TB these days I have to finish my post, go to RFC folder, switch
    to another folder and then back to RFC and then send. Otherwise is may
    not get posted. If it doesn't, then I have to go to my Sent folder to
    retrieve my unsent post, copy my input, then back to RFC and follow up
    to the old post and Copy my input, then send again.


    That's a PITA.  I don't have to do all that to get things to post.


    Yep. All thanks to upgrades in TB.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sun Jun 22 03:00:00 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 23:14:38 +0000, Michael Trew wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 5:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    Soon to come: "Juneteenth car and furniture sales".


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    I go to my bank at least twice per month. I don't think business owners would share your sentiment. Open once per month is long time to wait,
    when you normally make a deposit every few days.

    I used to work at a property management company and they would have
    daily deposits to make around the beginning of the month. If no office
    girl was available, I'd have to do it. That would be a pouch filled with
    checks and some cash. I suppose it was a nice diversion to take a walk
    across the street and talk, and sometimes, flirt with the bank girl.

    When I had a business, I'd suggest that I'd be happy to take a check as payment. Unfortunately, they always want their card air-miles - da
    Hawaiians need their air-miles so they can go to Las Vegas several times
    a year. Travel miles are one of the greatest sales tool for card
    issuers. Like most merchants, I just had to eat the fees. That's the
    breaks.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sun Jun 22 09:08:24 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    Soon to come: "Juneteenth car and furniture sales".


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    I go to my bank at least twice per month. I don't think business owners would share your sentiment. Open once per month is long time to wait,
    when you normally make a deposit every few days.

    I think I last got a paper paycheck in the 1980s.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sun Jun 22 09:10:17 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 2:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When
    we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    Our local grocer has discontinued the acceptance of paper checks as a
    form of payment, with the exception of people who have already been
    using checks to pay. I guess that makes sense, in order to cut down on
    check fraud. The tellers are usually surprised that my account allows
    me to pay via check. Presumably, most of the check-paying clientele are elderly.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    It was legalized in the US to transfer card fees to the consumer. Our
    shop now passes the 3.5 per cent card fee along to the customer. This
    fee applies to both credit and debit cards. I'm blown away that most
    people don't blink an eye paying an extra $3.5 per $100 transaction.

    On Friday, I paid $3 to use a bathroom. The convenient place to
    stop was a coffee shop. I decided I didn't want the coffee, so
    I dumped it out.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sun Jun 22 19:59:03 2025
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 09:10:17 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 2:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When >>>>> we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a
    cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    Our local grocer has discontinued the acceptance of paper checks as a
    form of payment, with the exception of people who have already been
    using checks to pay. I guess that makes sense, in order to cut down on
    check fraud. The tellers are usually surprised that my account allows
    me to pay via check. Presumably, most of the check-paying clientele are
    elderly.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a
    debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    It was legalized in the US to transfer card fees to the consumer. Our
    shop now passes the 3.5 per cent card fee along to the customer. This
    fee applies to both credit and debit cards. I'm blown away that most
    people don't blink an eye paying an extra $3.5 per $100 transaction.

    On Friday, I paid $3 to use a bathroom. The convenient place to
    stop was a coffee shop. I decided I didn't want the coffee, so
    I dumped it out.

    Did you pay cash?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jun 22 08:24:19 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    I think I last got a paper paycheck in the 1980s.

    i was going to say about the same for me, but the library
    job didn't have direct deposit so i had to walk my check
    100ft to the bank to get it deposited and/or cashed for
    some years, and then when i was dumb enough to try to work
    two jobs at the same time they also didn't have direct
    deposit, but that didn't last longer than 9 months before i
    got fried from too many late hours plus trying to keep up
    with all these gardens.

    the advent of ACH transactions was really nice and i know
    some businesses do use them, but i also know a few who still
    take their deposits to the bank pretty much every day.


    songbird

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Sun Jun 22 13:29:41 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:30:55 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/20/2025 2:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:51:04 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-19, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote on 6/19/2025 4:44 PM:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National >>>>>>>> Independence Day. My office is closed today.


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s> >>>>>>
    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    When something gets screwed up, you'll damn sure wish the bank was open. >>>>
    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    I boldly predict that there will be lots of screw ups of people
    receiving payments from now on. It's going to be a total land of
    confusion.

    Payments from whom?

    Don't you love it when David makes vague predictions?

    Jill


    Adolescent girls, around fourteen or so , go through a phrase where they
    sneer and whine about everything, are grateful for nothing, and reject
    any suggestion remotely reasonable...

    Jill is such a girl...

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jun 22 13:20:27 2025
    On 2025-06-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 09:10:17 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 2:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
    <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I wonder why. I do everything online and nobody charges for it. When >>>>>> we just moved to Australia, I'd sometimes see old ladies pay with a >>>>>> cheque at the supermarket checkout, but it has become obsolete.

    Our local grocer has discontinued the acceptance of paper checks as a
    form of payment, with the exception of people who have already been
    using checks to pay. I guess that makes sense, in order to cut down on
    check fraud. The tellers are usually surprised that my account allows
    me to pay via check. Presumably, most of the check-paying clientele are >>> elderly.

    In my case, 2.8% for credit card payments might about what the CC
    company charges the vendor.

    Yes, I've hard about credit card charges. I rarely use a credit card.
    Whenever possible -which is almost always- I use online banking or
    PayPal. ALDI charges for use of a credit card, I believe, but we use a >>>> debit card. I don't want to pay for the right to give someone money.

    It was legalized in the US to transfer card fees to the consumer. Our
    shop now passes the 3.5 per cent card fee along to the customer. This
    fee applies to both credit and debit cards. I'm blown away that most
    people don't blink an eye paying an extra $3.5 per $100 transaction.

    On Friday, I paid $3 to use a bathroom. The convenient place to
    stop was a coffee shop. I decided I didn't want the coffee, so
    I dumped it out.

    Did you pay cash?

    Yes.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Jun 23 15:36:25 2025
    On 6/22/2025 5:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-19, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 17:07:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    Today is a fairly new US Federal holiday. Juneteenth, aka National
    Independence Day. My office is closed today.

    Soon to come: "Juneteenth car and furniture sales".


    No U.S. mail either and banks are closed and no court
    proceedings either.

    I wept. I was so lonely without U.S. mail, banks, and courts. </s>

    Frankly, if we got mail one day a week I'd be happy. Banks could
    be open one day a month. I don't go into the bank even one day
    a year.


    I go to my bank at least twice per month. I don't think business owners
    would share your sentiment. Open once per month is long time to wait,
    when you normally make a deposit every few days.

    I think I last got a paper paycheck in the 1980s.

    Every job I've worked has been direct deposit, with the exception of the antique mall. Only 3 people are on payroll, and the owner has probably
    used the same company for payroll checks since the mid 90's. On my 5
    minute drive home, the bank is on my way, so the paper check isn't much
    of a hassle.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Mon Jun 23 16:40:07 2025
    On 6/23/2025 3:36 PM, Michael Trew wrote:


    Every job I've worked has been direct deposit, with the exception of the antique mall.  Only 3 people are on payroll, and the owner has probably
    used the same company for payroll checks since the mid 90's.  On my 5
    minute drive home, the bank is on my way, so the paper check isn't much
    of a hassle.

    Back in the 1980s we got checks. I was in sales though, so not in the
    office every day, thus my check was mailed. Even if I was in the
    office, the lady that did payroll would walk right past me with the
    check on the way to the post office. Nope, would not hand it to me a
    day early even though dated the official pay day.

    Company was sold and new owner did direct deposit. .

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jun 24 04:44:43 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it
    in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or
    I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    Because you have an alternative to driving?


    I don't know. I've never been in this position before. My wife can
    handle it for a while, if needed. I did make an appointment with my
    optometrist today, fwiw. I'm a little late.
    Meh. If I can make it fourteen months, I'll make eighty. Place your bets.
    I retired early, because I didn't think I'd make sixty. Tick tick tick.
    Oh, and I'm not depressed at all, just old but not as old as Ed, Sheldon
    and lucretia. Did I miss anybody? :)
    I was a young buck in my fifties when I first showed up here. My, how
    time flies.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Jun 24 16:10:46 2025
    On 24 Jun 2025 04:44:43 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-06-21, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it >>> in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or >>> I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    Because you have an alternative to driving?

    I don't know. I've never been in this position before. My wife can
    handle it for a while, if needed. I did make an appointment with my >optometrist today, fwiw. I'm a little late.
    Meh. If I can make it fourteen months, I'll make eighty. Place your bets.
    I retired early, because I didn't think I'd make sixty. Tick tick tick.
    Oh, and I'm not depressed at all, just old but not as old as Ed, Sheldon
    and lucretia. Did I miss anybody? :)
    I was a young buck in my fifties when I first showed up here. My, how
    time flies.

    What kind of animal is a buck? Wait, I'll look it up.

    A male kangaroo can be called a buck, though more often "boomer."
    The adult male of many deer species is called a buck.
    Male antelope are also commonly referred to as bucks.
    The male rabbit is called a buck.
    The male hare is a buck.
    In informal usage, male goats are sometimes called bucks.

    Can I choose or will you?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Jun 24 08:14:23 2025
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2025-06-21, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Good news for all of you! You won't get cataracts again. What you can
    get is something called PCO or posterior capsule opacifiction. I have it >>> in my right eye, and it's removed by laser surgery, I think.
    At any rate, I have until the end of August to get my problem solved, or >>> I won't be driving anymore. Why am I unmotivated to fix this?

    Because you have an alternative to driving?


    I don't know. I've never been in this position before. My wife can
    handle it for a while, if needed. I did make an appointment with my optometrist today, fwiw. I'm a little late.
    Meh. If I can make it fourteen months, I'll make eighty. Place your bets.
    I retired early, because I didn't think I'd make sixty. Tick tick tick.
    Oh, and I'm not depressed at all, just old but not as old as Ed, Sheldon
    and lucretia. Did I miss anybody? :)
    I was a young buck in my fifties when I first showed up here. My, how
    time flies.


    I hope you never catch up too! A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be
    good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses. May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet. I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee. I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 24 09:23:04 2025
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be
    good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee. I don't need an alarm
    to get up to pee at 6am. I have the bladder alarm pre set. It is
    slightly less accurate on the other wake up call that comes between 2 am
    and 3 am.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 24 09:41:17 2025
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should
    be good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the
    clock when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take
    much to thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee. I don't need an alarm
    to get up to pee at 6am. I have the bladder alarm pre set.  It is
    slightly less accurate on the other wake up call that comes between 2 am
    and 3 am.

    I also take thyroid medication at about that time so it just assures me
    I took it and did not forget. Not a big deal, but after seeing a blur
    for decades it is nice to see the numbers.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 24 17:24:54 2025
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be
    good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.

    When I get up to pee, I check the clock to see if it's worth
    going back to sleep.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jun 24 15:57:04 2025
    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock >>> when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.

    When I get up to pee, I check the clock to see if it's worth
    going back to sleep.

    Ditto. On work days my alarm is set for 7:30am. If I wake up at 7am
    it's not really worth trying to go back to sleep. 6am, probably. On
    non-work days, I can go back to sleep if I want to. It's nice to know
    what time it is.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 24 16:00:20 2025
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should
    be good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the
    clock when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take
    much to thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock. The reason for waking up at 5AM
    is not really relevant.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 24 16:15:18 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/24/2025 3:00 PM:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should
    be good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time
    in 71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some
    things. I can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to
    see the clock when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does
    not take much to thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock. The reason for waking up at 5AM
    is not really relevant.

    Jill

    It's very classy of your majesty to refrain from telling us what times
    your highness gets up to pee.

    Thank you.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jun 24 17:21:19 2025
    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be >>> good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock >>> when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.


    Exactly. I've not seen the clock without glasses for 70+ years so it is
    quite a treat.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 24 17:26:26 2025
    On 6/24/2025 4:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should
    be good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time
    in 71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some
    things. I can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to
    see the clock when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not
    take much to thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock.  The reason for waking up at 5AM
    is not really relevant.

    Jill

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication. It is
    supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.

    I still remember at 8 YO walking out of the optician office with my
    first pair of glasses and seeing sharp images with contrast. I said
    "everything looks black and white", meaning sharpness. This is close in satisfaction.

    Other eye gets done July 10. Can't wait.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 24 18:15:33 2025
    On 2025-06-24 5:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 4:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock.  The reason for waking up at
    5AM is not really relevant.

    Jill

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication.  It is supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.

    I still remember at 8 YO walking out of the optician office with my
    first pair of glasses and seeing sharp images with contrast. I said "everything looks black and white", meaning sharpness. This is close in satisfaction.

    Other eye gets done July 10.  Can't wait.


    I was in my mid 40s before I had to start using reading glasses. My boss
    had suggested that I should get my eyes checked. It was about 5 years
    before I graduated to bifocals.

    Glad to hear it is working out for you. It is works out well for most
    people but sometimes things go badly. My friend had his done a couple
    months ago and has had problems. When I talked to him the other day he
    was planning to contact his doctor about a new issue. My wife had bad experiences with hers. She opted for the multi focal lenses and things
    went well for a couple months. Then she had a problem, a big black dot.
    She went to the ER and was told it was just a floated and it was blamed
    on her age, but they referred her to an ophthomalogist who she saw the
    next morning. He sent her to the nearby hospital and met her there for
    some laser work on a small hemorrhage on her retina. He caught it in
    time and fixed it. Then a couple months she had a similar problem in the
    other eye. She went to the ER again, no big deal but again referred to
    the ophthamologist who diagnosed a detached retina and referred her to a
    guy in a nearby city. The next morning she had laser surgery on that eye followed by 10 days laying face down. She was lucky to catch it in time
    and her eyesight was restored.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Wed Jun 25 10:21:19 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:15:33 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-06-24 5:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 4:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock.  The reason for waking up at
    5AM is not really relevant.

    Jill

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication.  It is
    supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.

    I still remember at 8 YO walking out of the optician office with my
    first pair of glasses and seeing sharp images with contrast. I said
    "everything looks black and white", meaning sharpness. This is close in
    satisfaction.

    Other eye gets done July 10.  Can't wait.


    I was in my mid 40s before I had to start using reading glasses. My boss
    had suggested that I should get my eyes checked. It was about 5 years
    before I graduated to bifocals.

    Glad to hear it is working out for you. It is works out well for most
    people but sometimes things go badly. My friend

    Which one of the 500,000?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Jun 24 19:33:28 2025
    Bruce wrote on 6/24/2025 7:21 PM:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:15:33 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-06-24 5:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 4:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock.  The reason for waking up at
    5AM is not really relevant.

    Jill

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication.  It is
    supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.

    I still remember at 8 YO walking out of the optician office with my
    first pair of glasses and seeing sharp images with contrast. I said
    "everything looks black and white", meaning sharpness. This is close in
    satisfaction.

    Other eye gets done July 10.  Can't wait.


    I was in my mid 40s before I had to start using reading glasses. My boss
    had suggested that I should get my eyes checked. It was about 5 years
    before I graduated to bifocals.

    Glad to hear it is working out for you. It is works out well for most
    people but sometimes things go badly. My friend

    Which one of the 500,000?


    Dumbass, he has at least 5 billion friends. Try to keep up!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 25 10:39:20 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 19:33:28 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 6/24/2025 7:21 PM:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:15:33 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-06-24 5:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 4:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Ed likes being able to *see* the clock.  The reason for waking up at >>>>> 5AM is not really relevant.

    Jill

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication.  It is >>>> supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.

    I still remember at 8 YO walking out of the optician office with my
    first pair of glasses and seeing sharp images with contrast. I said
    "everything looks black and white", meaning sharpness. This is close in >>>> satisfaction.

    Other eye gets done July 10.  Can't wait.


    I was in my mid 40s before I had to start using reading glasses. My boss >>> had suggested that I should get my eyes checked. It was about 5 years
    before I graduated to bifocals.

    Glad to hear it is working out for you. It is works out well for most
    people but sometimes things go badly. My friend

    Which one of the 500,000?

    Dumbass, he has at least 5 billion friends. Try to keep up!

    Sorry, Dave :)

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 24 22:36:02 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    ...
    ... On work days my alarm is set for 7:30am. If I wake up at 7am
    it's not really worth trying to go back to sleep. 6am, probably. On non-work days, I can go back to sleep if I want to. It's nice to know
    what time it is.

    i haven't needed an alarm clock for many years but i
    don't normally sleep in often now. which is kind of a
    let-down... gladly after the morning pee i can usually
    go back to sleep for a while if i want. some days i do
    and other days i don't.

    today, it being so hot out i just went out and worked
    in the gardens for about three hours until i got hot and
    tired enough to quit. nice to get things done as the day
    before i'd only managed to be outside for about an hour
    before being nauseated by the heat and humidity.


    songbird

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jun 25 17:34:01 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    [...]

    In 63 years of banking, nothing has gotten screwed up. Why should
    it start now?

    i think banks are going to start jamming chatbots ("AI") into the
    system like it's being jammed into just about everything else for
    no conceivable good reason other than aiding the ultra-wealthy
    to siphon even more money off of us plebs.

    if they haven't already, that is. THAT, will screw it up for
    sure.

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 26 01:01:25 2025
    On 2025-06-24, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses. May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet. I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee. I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.


    My first eye (left) was perfect. I removed the glasses lens too. My second
    eye was a little strange. It was not blurry, but there was a bit of double-vision. I thought my brain would adjust. It doesn't. If you don't
    get normal focus, complain. It ain't going to get better.
    I haven't used glasses since 2018, but the oddness persists.
    My right and left eye don't focus at the same point. Maybe I'll ask
    about adjustment surgery when I see the optometrist. That has to be done
    by a surgeon. At least I think it does. Glasses don't correct a
    different focal point problem. What are the odds? :)

    2 cents

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jun 26 01:08:30 2025
    On 2025-06-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    What kind of animal is a buck? Wait, I'll look it up.

    A male kangaroo can be called a buck, though more often "boomer."
    The adult male of many deer species is called a buck.
    Male antelope are also commonly referred to as bucks.
    The male rabbit is called a buck.
    The male hare is a buck.
    In informal usage, male goats are sometimes called bucks.


    Item two on your list, at least Out West. Young, virile and ready to fight.
    You may have never experienced the sensation. :(

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Jun 25 21:36:56 2025
    On 6/25/2025 9:01 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in
    71 years I'll be free of glasses. May need readers for some things. I
    can't tell for sure yet. I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee. I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.


    My first eye (left) was perfect. I removed the glasses lens too. My second eye was a little strange. It was not blurry, but there was a bit of double-vision. I thought my brain would adjust. It doesn't. If you don't
    get normal focus, complain. It ain't going to get better.
    I haven't used glasses since 2018, but the oddness persists.
    My right and left eye don't focus at the same point. Maybe I'll ask
    about adjustment surgery when I see the optometrist. That has to be done
    by a surgeon. At least I think it does. Glasses don't correct a
    different focal point problem. What are the odds? :)

    2 cents

    I'm nearsighted (or was) and one advantage is great close vision. When
    people pull out a magnifying glass, I'd jut put the item closer and see
    it easily.

    Right now, with both eyes I still have good close vision, but just using
    the "new" right eye alone, not as good looking at small type on the
    phone, laptop seems OK. Looking forward to seeing what both eyes will
    do. I'll know in 15 days.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 26 01:18:37 2025
    On 2025-06-24, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    But since I do, it is a good time to take thyroid medication. It is
    supposed to be on an empty stomach and not eat for some time after.


    Levothyroxine and ditto.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Jun 26 12:58:28 2025
    On 26 Jun 2025 01:08:30 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-06-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    What kind of animal is a buck? Wait, I'll look it up.

    A male kangaroo can be called a buck, though more often "boomer."
    The adult male of many deer species is called a buck.
    Male antelope are also commonly referred to as bucks.
    The male rabbit is called a buck.
    The male hare is a buck.
    In informal usage, male goats are sometimes called bucks.

    Item two on your list, at least Out West. Young, virile and ready to fight. >You may have never experienced the sensation. :(

    Not in the redneck way you describe it.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 12:52:44 2025
    In article <103f4sj$290fc$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too! A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be >>> good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in >>> 71 years I'll be free of glasses. May need readers for some things. I >>> can't tell for sure yet. I really like now being able to see the clock >>> when I get up at 5AM or so to pee. I guess it does not take much to
    thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.


    Exactly. I've not seen the clock without glasses for 70+ years so it is quite a treat.

    You can also look forward to:

    being able to recognise the friends/family you're
    swimming with

    being able to read the subtitles on TV,

    no more steamed-up lenses.


    Janet UK

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jun 26 09:37:41 2025
    On 6/26/2025 7:52 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <103f4sj$290fc$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be >>>>> good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in >>>>> 71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I >>>>> can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock >>>>> when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to >>>>> thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.


    Exactly. I've not seen the clock without glasses for 70+ years so it is
    quite a treat.

    You can also look forward to:

    being able to recognise the friends/family you're
    swimming with

    being able to read the subtitles on TV,

    no more steamed-up lenses.


    Janet UK

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses. I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 18:13:14 2025
    In article <103jif6$3fqpt$2@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/26/2025 7:52 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <103f4sj$290fc$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too! A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be
    good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in >>>>> 71 years I'll be free of glasses. May need readers for some things. I >>>>> can't tell for sure yet. I really like now being able to see the clock >>>>> when I get up at 5AM or so to pee. I guess it does not take much to >>>>> thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.


    Exactly. I've not seen the clock without glasses for 70+ years so it is >> quite a treat.

    You can also look forward to:

    being able to recognise the friends/family you're
    swimming with

    being able to read the subtitles on TV,

    no more steamed-up lenses.


    Janet UK

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses. I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

    I needed sunglasses a lot post op, but that "dazzling
    brightness" wore off in a month or so. I haven't worn
    sunglasses all summer.

    Janet

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jun 26 13:42:42 2025
    On 6/26/2025 1:13 PM, Janet wrote:
    In article <103jif6$3fqpt$2@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/26/2025 7:52 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <103f4sj$290fc$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
    says...

    On 6/24/2025 1:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-06-24, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 8:14 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/24/2025 12:44 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    I hope you never catch up too!  A few months to 80.
    Driver license good for two more years but with the surgery, I should be
    good to pass the eye test.

    The other eye gets done in a couple of weeks and for the first time in >>>>>>> 71 years I'll be free of glasses.  May need readers for some things. I >>>>>>> can't tell for sure yet.  I really like now being able to see the clock
    when I get up at 5AM or so to pee.  I guess it does not take much to >>>>>>> thrill me.

    Why do you need to see the clock to get up to pee.

    He doesn't _need_ to see the clock. He _likes_ to see the clock.


    Exactly. I've not seen the clock without glasses for 70+ years so it is >>>> quite a treat.

    You can also look forward to:

    being able to recognise the friends/family you're
    swimming with

    being able to read the subtitles on TV,

    no more steamed-up lenses.


    Janet UK

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses. I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

    I needed sunglasses a lot post op, but that "dazzling
    brightness" wore off in a month or so. I haven't worn
    sunglasses all summer.

    Janet

    Good to know. Pre-op, I got a kit from the pharmacy. It had the drops,
    a plastic "grid" eye cover to wear the first few nights, tape for it,
    and a pair of sunglasses that will fit over my regular glasses. I'll
    use them until at least a few days after the second procedure. Then
    I'll consider a regular pair of sunglasses.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jun 26 15:32:44 2025
    On 2025-06-26 1:13 p.m., Janet wrote:

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses. I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

    I needed sunglasses a lot post op, but that "dazzling
    brightness" wore off in a month or so. I haven't worn
    sunglasses all summer.



    My wife's cataract surgery more than 10 years ago and she still needs sunglasses most days, even when it is overcast.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jun 26 15:01:32 2025
    Dave Smith wrote on 6/26/2025 2:32 PM:
    On 2025-06-26 1:13 p.m., Janet wrote:

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses. I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

    I needed sunglasses a lot post op, but that "dazzling
    brightness" wore off in a month or so. I haven't worn
    sunglasses all summer.



    My wife's cataract surgery more than 10 years ago and she still needs sunglasses most days, even when it is overcast.


    That's probably because of her Borg implants Dave.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jun 27 00:23:39 2025
    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:32 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote on 6/26/2025 2:32 PM:
    On 2025-06-26 1:13 p.m., Janet wrote:

    Only downside I see is the need to carry sunglasses.  I've had
    Transition lenses for years so never had to change.

       I needed sunglasses a lot post op, but  that "dazzling
    brightness" wore off in a month or so.  I haven't worn
    sunglasses all summer.



    My wife's cataract surgery more than 10 years ago and she still needs
    sunglasses most days, even when it is overcast.


    That's probably because of her Borg implants Dave.


    Megadon is not only beautiful, but she bubbles with charm...

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