• Re: Wednesday Supper Plans? 7/02/2025

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jul 3 07:50:53 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jul 2 17:58:17 2025
    On 2025-07-02 5:26 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday?  Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    There is a lot of oven use going on here considering it is so hot out
    and we have the AC running. We slow cooked some ribs in the oven. Since
    the oven was already on and I had some really ripe bananas to use up so
    I whipped up some banana bread batter. When the ribs were almost ready
    to come out I cranked up the oven so the banana bread could go in as
    soon as the ribs came out.
    My wife is making some of her salad dressing to brush on to some
    vegetable skewers and will do them along with the ribs on the grill.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jul 2 18:51:19 2025
    On 7/2/2025 5:26 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday?  Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot.  I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook.  He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    Sounds good. Nice that you share with neighbors. Makes it easy for both
    of you.

    Meatloaf with onion gravy tonight. Mediocre mast potatoes, pretty good
    carrpts and green beans.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jul 2 18:58:59 2025
    Ed P wrote on 7/2/2025 5:51 PM:
    On 7/2/2025 5:26 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday?  Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot.  I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook.  He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    Sounds good.  Nice that you share with neighbors. Makes it easy for both
    of you.

    Meatloaf with onion gravy tonight.  Mediocre mast potatoes, pretty good carrpts and green beans.

    Meatloaf and macaroni with cheese for me. Maybe an avocado and a couple
    pieces of cornbread.

    Nothing special, but it's not bad.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jul 2 19:00:17 2025
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!


    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 3 10:25:26 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jul 2 19:44:42 2025
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 7:25 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    Yeah, I reckon it's sort of like corn for da americans Master.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jul 2 20:53:04 2025
    On 7/2/2025 5:26 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday?  Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Nothing. I might have some PB toast. I've been feeling under the
    weather for a couple of days and don't have much of an appetite.

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot.  I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook.  He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    Nice of you to share with him.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Jul 2 20:03:29 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote on 7/2/2025 7:53 PM:
    On 7/2/2025 5:26 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday?  Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Nothing.  I might have some PB toast.  I've been feeling under the
    weather for a couple of days and don't have much of an appetite.


    I guess your Majesty's irritable bowel syndrome must be flaring again.

    Maybe you'll feel better in a day or two.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 3 12:03:58 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:44:42 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 7:25 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    Yeah, I reckon it's sort of like corn for da americans Master.

    We have it maybe 5-10 times a year. That's nothing compared to
    Americans and their beloved corn.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 3 08:50:12 2025
    On 2025-07-03, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    Spaghetti and garlic toast? Ick. What's wrong with you?

    Lots of people have garlic toast with pasta. What's wrong
    with you?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jul 3 08:48:25 2025
    On 2025-07-02, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Fried egg sandwich.

    Lunch was vegetable soup and cheese.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bryangsimmons@gmail.com on Fri Jul 4 04:47:59 2025
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:34:29 -0500, BryanGSimmons
    <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/2/2025 7:44 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 7:25 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master!  I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    Yeah, I reckon it's sort of like corn for da americans Master.

    Being a vegetarian is OK, but fake meat is pathetic.

    That's not for corpse eaters to judge. The mock chicken tasted very
    good yesterday and reminded me of meat, which I'd have liked to eat if
    they didn't have to abuse animals for it.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jul 3 15:11:08 2025
    On 7/2/2025 8:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 05:28:54 2025
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 15:11:08 -0400, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net>
    wrote:

    On 7/2/2025 8:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

    There are different kinds of fake meat. I like the chicken -they also
    have duck and pork- product we had, the best. A meat eater will
    probably be more critical, being used to T-bone steaks and all that
    other Fred Flintstone stuff.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Thu Jul 3 21:42:24 2025
    On 2025-07-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 7/2/2025 8:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 19:00:17 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:
    Bruce wrote on 7/2/2025 4:50 PM:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 21:26:19 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    I think it's going to be pan-fried mock chicken today!

    Poor Master! I would share my vittles if you weren't so far away.

    Mock chicken's very nice, maybe especially if you never eat meat.

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

    The bar where we have lunch from time to time has a very good
    house-made black bean burger. It doesn't really pretend to be
    meat; it's simply a tasty black bean patty.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jul 3 17:48:37 2025
    On 2025-07-03 5:42 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

    The bar where we have lunch from time to time has a very good
    house-made black bean burger. It doesn't really pretend to be
    meat; it's simply a tasty black bean patty.


    Those can be good. That's what vegetarians should be eating instead of pretending their veggie burgers are just like meat.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Fri Jul 4 08:23:43 2025
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 17:48:37 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-07-03 5:42 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

    The bar where we have lunch from time to time has a very good
    house-made black bean burger. It doesn't really pretend to be
    meat; it's simply a tasty black bean patty.


    Those can be good. That's what vegetarians should be eating instead of >pretending their veggie burgers are just like meat.

    Ah, another corpse eaters who tells people with basic morals what they
    should do.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jul 3 17:35:10 2025
    Bruce wrote on 7/3/2025 5:23 PM:
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 17:48:37 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-07-03 5:42 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    I can't say I've ever had it, but I'm never impressed with fake meat.
    Boy, do I like those black bean "burgers", however.

    The bar where we have lunch from time to time has a very good
    house-made black bean burger. It doesn't really pretend to be
    meat; it's simply a tasty black bean patty.


    Those can be good. That's what vegetarians should be eating instead of
    pretending their veggie burgers are just like meat.

    Ah, another corpse eaters who tells people with basic morals what they
    should do.


    Oh hush. Dave is a policeman, so he can't help it.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jul 4 12:59:01 2025
    On 4 Jul 2025 02:42:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    That's not for corpse eaters to judge. The mock chicken tasted very
    good yesterday and reminded me of meat, which I'd have liked to eat if
    they didn't have to abuse animals for it.

    I can't imagine the chemical trickery involved in making mock chicken.
    Stay safe!

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jul 3 22:59:04 2025
    On 7/3/2025 10:42 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    That's not for corpse eaters to judge. The mock chicken tasted very
    good yesterday and reminded me of meat, which I'd have liked to eat if
    they didn't have to abuse animals for it.


    I can't imagine the chemical trickery involved in making mock chicken.
    Stay safe!


    Not as bad as some foods we eat..

    What are the ingredients in simulate chicken?
    SIMULATE® Chicken Nuggs Plant-Based Nuggets, 10.4 oz - Harris ...
    Water, Soybean Oil, Textured Wheat Protein, Soy Protein Concentrate, Breadcrumbs (Enriched Wheat Flour [Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine
    Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid], Sugar, Rice Flour, Yeast, Salt, Extractives of Paprika) Enriched Wheat Flour, Corn Flour, Wheat Protein

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jul 4 13:12:06 2025
    On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 22:59:04 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    On 7/3/2025 10:42 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    That's not for corpse eaters to judge. The mock chicken tasted very
    good yesterday and reminded me of meat, which I'd have liked to eat if
    they didn't have to abuse animals for it.


    I can't imagine the chemical trickery involved in making mock chicken.
    Stay safe!


    Not as bad as some foods we eat..

    What are the ingredients in simulate chicken?
    SIMULATE® Chicken Nuggs Plant-Based Nuggets, 10.4 oz - Harris ...
    Water, Soybean Oil, Textured Wheat Protein, Soy Protein Concentrate, >Breadcrumbs (Enriched Wheat Flour [Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine >Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid], Sugar, Rice Flour, Yeast, Salt, >Extractives of Paprika) Enriched Wheat Flour, Corn Flour, Wheat Protein

    Now Leo probably thinks that SIMULATE® is a communist cell that's
    working on subverting good ol' Americans from within the Deep State.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jul 4 02:42:49 2025
    On 2025-07-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    That's not for corpse eaters to judge. The mock chicken tasted very
    good yesterday and reminded me of meat, which I'd have liked to eat if
    they didn't have to abuse animals for it.


    I can't imagine the chemical trickery involved in making mock chicken.
    Stay safe!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Fri Jul 4 02:39:25 2025
    On 2025-07-02, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    What shaking in your kitchen this Wednesday? Leftovers,
    baking, or too hot to cook in the kitchen and you're
    grilling or using a crockpot/slow cooker, sandwiches?

    Pork chops with slightly different sides.

    <https://postimg.cc/yJbT2gZW>

    Spaghetti sauce made with hamburger and ground pork
    and mushrooms are simmering on the stove as I write.
    Texas toast garlic bread will be the accompaniment
    to this generous pot. I will share with a neighbor
    who recently lost his longtime g/f as he does not
    cook. He and she always appreciated the food I
    shared with them in the past.

    You're a good neighbor.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jul 4 03:36:38 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Now Leo probably thinks that SIMULATE® is a communist cell that's
    working on subverting good ol' Americans from within the Deep State.


    You know me so well.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jul 4 06:19:17 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I wouldn't worry too much about food quality.


    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!
    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.
    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jul 4 16:30:37 2025
    On 4 Jul 2025 06:19:17 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.


    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!
    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.

    Lifestyle matters as much as genes do.

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jul 4 07:48:34 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.


    So are you. So what?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jul 4 18:33:05 2025
    On 4 Jul 2025 07:48:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.


    So are you. So what?

    Look it up. Not that you'll believe it.

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 4 09:31:04 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.


    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!
    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.
    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Jesus, Leo. It didn't take much to trigger you.

    Bruce isn't talking about gluten-free food; he's talking about
    food *made* of gluten.

    The Chinese have been making food from wheat gluten for 1500 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seitan

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Fri Jul 4 19:44:40 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 09:31:04 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.

    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!
    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.
    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Jesus, Leo. It didn't take much to trigger you.

    Bruce isn't talking about gluten-free food; he's talking about
    food *made* of gluten.

    Yes. It's the last thing I'd recommend to gluten sensitive people,
    real or imagined.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 4 09:26:56 2025
    On 2025-07-04 2:19 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.


    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!

    My wife has always kept her flour intake down because it always tended
    to bother her. She had been raised on a gluen free diet as a kid but
    never officially diagnosed celiac. My son was diagnosed celiac last
    fall and has been eating gluten free. He never wanted to be one of those
    people who eats gluten free but now he is, and he is feeling much better
    for it.


    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.
    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!


    You forgot to throw Lactose intolerance into your rant. I never liked
    milk. I associated it with a slimy throat, gut cramps and diarrhea. I
    was finally diagnosed about a year ago. I have long avoided problems by severely limiting the amount of dairy I consume.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Jul 5 04:04:17 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 09:26:56 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04 2:19 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I don't know. It's gluten based. If I'd be eating factory chickens, I
    wouldn't worry too much about food quality.


    Gluten is the "new" magic buzzword. Apparently, it adversely affects a
    small percentage of people, like peanuts do. Why aren't we all dead!

    My wife has always kept her flour intake down because it always tended
    to bother her. She had been raised on a gluen free diet as a kid but
    never officially diagnosed celiac. My son was diagnosed celiac last
    fall and has been eating gluten free. He never wanted to be one of those >people who eats gluten free but now he is, and he is feeling much better
    for it.

    And has your tolerance for gluten free people increased as a result?
    Or is it still "Be like Dave Smith or face his wrath"?

    Salt kills, sugar kills, coffee was once said to kill, eggs kill, animal
    fat kills, food dyes kill. For most, it's all marketing. For a very
    small percentage, it's losing at survival of the fittest.
    Food science, in general, is ridiculous.
    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    You forgot to throw Lactose intolerance into your rant. I never liked
    milk. I associated it with a slimy throat, gut cramps and diarrhea. I
    was finally diagnosed about a year ago. I have long avoided problems by >severely limiting the amount of dairy I consume.

    So lactose intolerant people get the Dave Smith Seal of Approval?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 4 22:39:23 2025
    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real. The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos. No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers. Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in. When you were a kid, everything came in clean metal and glass... Now it's cellophane.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 12:51:24 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 22:39:23 -0400, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net>
    wrote:

    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real. The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos. No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers. Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in. When you were a kid, >everything came in clean metal and glass... Now it's cellophane.

    He's gonna think you're a communist, Michael.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 13:23:24 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 22:39:23 -0400, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net>
    wrote:

    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real. The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos. No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers. Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in. When you were a kid, >everything came in clean metal and glass... Now it's cellophane.

    Food in metal (cans) wasn't that clean

    Lead
    Older cans were soldered with lead. Until the 1980s, many cans were
    sealed using lead-based solder, which could leach into the food,
    especially acidic foods like tomatoes. Lead is toxic to the brain,
    kidneys, and reproductive system, and particularly dangerous for
    children.

    BPA
    Since the 1960s, BPA-based epoxy resins were used as a liner to
    prevent corrosion. But BPA can leach into food, especially when heated
    or stored for long periods. BPA is an endocrine disruptor linked to
    hormonal problems and other health concerns.

    "Hormonal problems?" Maybe we can get Leo on board by claiming that
    BPA led to the whole transgender issue!


    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jul 5 03:34:54 2025
    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 22:39:23 -0400, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net>
    wrote:

    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real. The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos. No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers. Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in. When you were a kid,
    everything came in clean metal and glass... Now it's cellophane.

    Food in metal (cans) wasn't that clean

    Lead
    Older cans were soldered with lead. Until the 1980s, many cans were
    sealed using lead-based solder, which could leach into the food,
    especially acidic foods like tomatoes. Lead is toxic to the brain,
    kidneys, and reproductive system, and particularly dangerous for
    children.

    BPA
    Since the 1960s, BPA-based epoxy resins were used as a liner to
    prevent corrosion. But BPA can leach into food, especially when heated
    or stored for long periods. BPA is an endocrine disruptor linked to
    hormonal problems and other health concerns.

    "Hormonal problems?" Maybe we can get Leo on board by claiming that
    BPA led to the whole transgender issue!


    Yeah, just look at what it did to gm.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Fri Jul 4 23:43:16 2025
    On 2025-07-04 10:39 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real.  The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos.  No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers.  Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in.  When you were a kid, everything came in clean metal and glass...  Now it's cellophane.

    They may not be as toxic as some of the chemical pollution of the past.
    I remember when DDT was widely used as an insecticide. I remember Jeep
    on exercises at a military base and early in the evening there was Jeep
    driving along the lines of tends with a bug fogger spraying an atomized
    mix of diesel and DDT.

    While it was intended for insects it tainted the grass and other plas
    that small animals ate. When those small critters were eaten by
    predators theyt ingest the DDT. It got into the waterways where the
    small fish got exposed and bigger fish eating smaller fish had
    increasingly higher levels of it. Eagles and osprey were existing in a
    diet of mostly contaminated fish. Somewhere along the line researchers
    realized that the dwindling number of eagles and osprey was due to their
    eggs being too thin and breaking before hatching naturally. It took
    decades for those bird populations to increase.

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We have
    only been using them for about 20 years and they are already being found
    in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain so we can
    expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work their way up
    the food chain.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jul 5 08:49:35 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real. The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos. No one wanted to believe that
    they were toxic, especially not manufacturers. Now, the new poisons
    come from the plastic everything is wrapped in. When you were a kid, everything came in clean metal and glass... Now it's cellophane.

    Polyethylene.

    Cellophane is made from wood pulp and is biodegradable and
    compostable.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 07:04:17 2025
    On 2025-07-04 9:43 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 10:39 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real.  The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos.  No one wanted to believe
    that they were toxic, especially not manufacturers.  Now, the new
    poisons come from the plastic everything is wrapped in.  When you were
    a kid, everything came in clean metal and glass...  Now it's cellophane.

    They may not be as toxic as some of the chemical pollution of the past.
    I remember when DDT was widely used as an insecticide. I remember Jeep
    on exercises at a military base and early in the evening there was Jeep driving along the lines of tends with a bug fogger spraying an atomized
    mix of diesel and DDT.

    While it was intended for insects it tainted the grass and other plas
    that small animals ate. When those small critters were eaten by
    predators theyt ingest the DDT.

    And its banning is thought to be the cause of the rise of bed bugs,

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jul 5 16:01:34 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew wrote:

    When you were a kid, everything came
    in clean metal and glass...
    Now it's cellophane.

    Well, clean cellophane; which is not a plastic.

    To be fair, lots of food does come plastic-wrapped.

    But it's nano-particles from plastic breakdown that
    cause problems in the human-terminated food chain.

    There are also problems with specific polymers.
    For example, some ethylene from polyethylene
    will always end up in whatever it contacts.

    Ditto propylene, styrene, &c.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jul 5 14:44:18 2025
    On 7/5/2025 12:01 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew wrote:

    When you were a kid, everything came
    in clean metal and glass...
    Now it's cellophane.

    Well, clean cellophane; which is not a plastic.

    To be fair, lots of food does come plastic-wrapped.

    But it's nano-particles from plastic breakdown that
    cause problems in the human-terminated food chain.

    There are also problems with specific polymers.
    For example, some ethylene from polyethylene
    will always end up in whatever it contacts.

    Ditto propylene, styrene, &c.


    How To Avoid Microplastics
    While researchers figure out the impact of microplastics on our bodies,
    here are some tips from the experts for minimizing exposure:

    Don’t microwave food in plastic containers. Doing so can cause millions
    of microplastic particles to transfer into food, per 2023 research in Environmental Science & Technology.

    Avoid exposure to tires and traffic. (Not so) fun fact: Car tires are a significant source of microplastic air pollution. However, you can avoid breathing in the small nanoparticles by closing your car windows and
    avoiding busy roads when you have the option, says Wright.
    Swap synthetic fibers for natural ones. Given that synthetic fibers in
    fabrics make up a large amount of microplastics in the environment,
    Wright suggests replacing synthetic upholsteries, furniture, carpets,
    and clothing with natural materials (like cotton) to lower your exposure through your skin and airways.

    Minimize use of plastic water bottles. A liter of bottled water can
    contain 240,000 tiny particles of plastic, per the National Institutes
    of Health (NIH). So you may want to invest in a reusable water bottle, especially a metal one.

    Reduce the amount of ultra-processed food you eat. Microplastics have
    been found in ultra-processed foods due to the processing and packing of
    the foods, per a 2025 review in Genomic Press. Bisphenol A (BPA) has
    also been found in plastic food wrappers.

    Until there’s more research on the long-term effects of microplastics on
    our bodies, you can follow those tips to decrease your exposure—and to
    reduce your overall plastic pollution while you’re at it. After all,
    using less plastic is better for you, your community, and the planet
    anyway; it’s a win-win.

    More at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/scientists-are-finding-microplastics-almost-everywhere-in-the-body-how-bad-is-that-really/ar-AA1HOZzV?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=31a1cfd35efc41a3bacf79bba4fe53fb&ei=89

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 18:14:19 2025
    On 2025-07-05 12:08 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 3:43:16 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We have
    only been using them for about 20 years and they are already being found
    in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain so we can
    expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work their way up
    the food chain.

    The fact of the matter is that DDT has saved countless human lives. It
    has killed a lot of bugs and wildlife but it's preferable to having your
    wife or daughter die of malaria or some other disease transmitted by humankind's most ruthless killer - the mosquito. It has made life on
    this planet safer and more comfortable for people. That's not really debatable.

    Apparently it is still used in parts of the world where there is no
    other viable and affordable alternative to deal with malaria carrying mosquitoes. It may not be quite as big a problem if they are using it
    sparingly to avoid the problems that we noted here. We also now have
    more effective repellents.

    I am trying to think of some role for micro plastics that could justify unleashing an ecological time bomb on the planet. Facial treatments
    don't rank up there with malaria.


    Maybe we need mope effective malaria prophylaxis. I had a friend who
    used to travel a lot on the tropics and he refused to take the
    medication saying that it was more dangerous than the disease, though I
    might question that. My son had a nasty experience with it when we was
    living in Uganda. He had such bad reactions to his weekly doses that
    we reduced it to once every week and a half. One week he screwed up and
    too a dose 3 or 4 days after the previous one. He had a psychotic
    episode bad enough that he almost checked himself into a psychiatric
    hospital there. That was almost 30 years ago and he still has trouble
    sleeping and sometimes experiences night terrors. I am not the only one
    who questions whether the high rates of PTSD in our armed forces might
    be more connected to their use of malaria medication that the violence
    they have witnessed.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 22:37:28 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    You forgot to throw Lactose intolerance into your rant. I never liked
    milk. I associated it with a slimy throat, gut cramps and diarrhea. I
    was finally diagnosed about a year ago. I have long avoided problems by severely limiting the amount of dairy I consume.


    My Mom was lactose intolerant, back when they didn't have a phrase for
    it. She avoided dairy. Dad and I thought she just didn't like dairy.
    She said it upset her stomach. More milk for us!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jul 5 18:42:28 2025
    On 2025-07-05 6:37 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    You forgot to throw Lactose intolerance into your rant. I never liked
    milk. I associated it with a slimy throat, gut cramps and diarrhea. I
    was finally diagnosed about a year ago. I have long avoided problems by
    severely limiting the amount of dairy I consume.


    My Mom was lactose intolerant, back when they didn't have a phrase for
    it. She avoided dairy. Dad and I thought she just didn't like dairy.
    She said it upset her stomach. More milk for us!


    I can't say that I don't like the taste of milk. I do have it on cereal.
    It would be more accurate to say that I have an aversion to drinking it
    which I attribute to all the years I was told to drink milk because it
    is good for me and then ending up with cramps and diarrhea. It wasn't fun.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 18:55:48 2025
    Dave Smith wrote on 7/5/2025 5:14 PM:
    On 2025-07-05 12:08 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 3:43:16 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We have >>> only been using them for about 20 years and they are already being found >>> in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain so we can
    expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work their way up
    the food chain.

    The fact of the matter is that DDT has saved countless human lives. It
    has killed a lot of bugs and wildlife but it's preferable to having your
    wife or daughter die of malaria or some other disease transmitted by
    humankind's most ruthless killer - the mosquito. It has made life on
    this planet safer and more comfortable for people. That's not really
    debatable.

    Apparently it is still used in parts of the world where there is no
    other viable and affordable alternative to deal with malaria carrying mosquitoes. It may not be quite as big a problem if they are using it sparingly to avoid the problems that we noted here.  We also now have
    more effective repellents.

    I am trying to think of some role for micro plastics that could justify unleashing an ecological time bomb on the planet. Facial treatments
    don't rank up there with malaria.


    Maybe we need mope effective malaria prophylaxis. I had a friend who
    used to travel a lot on the tropics and he refused to take the
    medication saying that it was more dangerous than the disease, though I
    might question that.  My son had a nasty experience with it when we was living in Uganda.  He had such bad reactions to his weekly doses that we reduced it to once every week and a half. One week he screwed up and too
    a dose 3 or 4 days after the previous one. He had a psychotic episode
    bad enough that he almost checked himself into a psychiatric hospital
    there. That was almost 30 years ago and he still has trouble sleeping
    and sometimes experiences night terrors.  I am not the only one who
    questions whether the high rates of PTSD in our armed forces might be
    more connected to their use of malaria medication that the violence they
    have witnessed.


    Thank you for your dissertation, officer Dave.

    I'm so happy to know you are still policing our planet and keeping us
    all safe. You are my hero, sir.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 19:01:02 2025
    Dave Smith wrote on 7/5/2025 5:42 PM:
    On 2025-07-05 6:37 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    You forgot to throw Lactose intolerance into your rant. I never liked
    milk. I associated it with a slimy throat,  gut cramps and diarrhea. I
    was finally diagnosed about a year ago.  I have long avoided problems by >>> severely limiting the amount of dairy I consume.


    My Mom was lactose intolerant, back when they didn't have a phrase for
    it. She avoided dairy. Dad and I thought she just didn't like dairy.
    She said it upset her stomach. More milk for us!


    I can't say that I don't like the taste of milk. I do have it on cereal.
    It would be more accurate to say that I have an aversion to drinking it
    which I attribute to all the years I was told to drink milk because it
    is good for me and then ending up with cramps and diarrhea. It wasn't fun.

    Please don't drink milk Dave. It could kill you, and then, we would be
    without your firm and loving guidance. If you die, none of us can
    survive without you.

    Damn, think of all the people you'll be letting down when you drink
    milk. Please don't do it .... ever.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jul 6 04:29:25 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 4 Jul 2025 07:48:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.

    So are you. So what?

    Look it up. Not that you'll believe it.


    I won't, until it's proven. Studies show and new research points to,
    mean nothing to me. Data can be manipulated. Studies are funded by
    questionable sources with skin in the game. And yes, the government is a questionable source when funding is involved.
    The last study, that I absolutely believed, was that smoking causes lung cancer. Logic, aka common sense, helped with that.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Jul 6 04:38:19 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    I can't say that I don't like the taste of milk. I do have it on cereal.
    It would be more accurate to say that I have an aversion to drinking it
    which I attribute to all the years I was told to drink milk because it
    is good for me and then ending up with cramps and diarrhea. It wasn't fun.


    Lactose intolerant. I'm glad they have a name for it and you follow your
    gut. I'm the same way with black widow and rattlesnake bites.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jul 6 04:49:15 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Hormonal problems?" Maybe we can get Leo on board by claiming that
    BPA led to the whole transgender issue!


    Nah, I did all of that stuff. Why am I still alive and of the gender I
    was born with? What will next weeks bat signal be? What fears, that you
    haven't heard of this week, will float to the forefront of your mind next
    week? I envy your "awareness". I'm just not there. Too old, I guess. :(

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Jul 6 14:52:07 2025
    On 6 Jul 2025 04:29:25 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 4 Jul 2025 07:48:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.

    So are you. So what?

    Look it up. Not that you'll believe it.


    I won't, until it's proven.

    And if it's proven, you won't believe it. "Bloody communists!"

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Jul 6 14:54:38 2025
    On 6 Jul 2025 04:49:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-05, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Hormonal problems?" Maybe we can get Leo on board by claiming that
    BPA led to the whole transgender issue!


    Nah, I did all of that stuff. Why am I still alive and of the gender I
    was born with? What will next weeks bat signal be? What fears, that you >haven't heard of this week, will float to the forefront of your mind next >week? I envy your "awareness". I'm just not there. Too old, I guess. :(

    I don't have any gender issues as long as my wife doesn't have any
    either. I read an article about a man who felt that his lower right
    leg wasn't his. He wanted it amputated. I forgot how it ended.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Jul 6 05:06:55 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    But it's nano-particles from plastic breakdown that
    cause problems in the human-terminated food chain.

    There are also problems with specific polymers.
    For example, some ethylene from polyethylene
    will always end up in whatever it contacts.


    So I googled, and then AI googled. The number of deaths is hard to
    estimate. They couldn't name one person. All I ask is one.
    Well, it's more complicated than that. Blah, blah, blah. Name one!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jul 6 04:32:40 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Jesus, Leo. It didn't take much to trigger you.

    Bruce isn't talking about gluten-free food; he's talking about
    food *made* of gluten.

    The Chinese have been making food from wheat gluten for 1500 years.


    So...you're saying that gluten increases birthrate? Makes sense.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 6 09:32:54 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 4 Jul 2025 07:48:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.

    So are you. So what?

    Look it up. Not that you'll believe it.


    I won't, until it's proven. Studies show and new research points to,
    mean nothing to me. Data can be manipulated. Studies are funded by questionable sources with skin in the game. And yes, the government is a questionable source when funding is involved.
    The last study, that I absolutely believed, was that smoking causes lung cancer. Logic, aka common sense, helped with that.

    Common sense is insufficient to analyze complex phenomena. It
    worked back when "Is that a leopard?" was the most complicated
    question we had to answer. It's not so good with any nonlinear
    problem.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 6 09:34:58 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-05, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    But it's nano-particles from plastic breakdown that
    cause problems in the human-terminated food chain.

    There are also problems with specific polymers.
    For example, some ethylene from polyethylene
    will always end up in whatever it contacts.


    So I googled, and then AI googled. The number of deaths is hard to
    estimate. They couldn't name one person. All I ask is one.
    Well, it's more complicated than that. Blah, blah, blah. Name one!

    Even your smoking analogy breaks down. Millions of people have
    smoked without getting lung cancer. Millions of people have gotten
    lung cancer who never smoked.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 6 09:28:54 2025
    On 2025-07-06 12:29 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 4 Jul 2025 07:48:34 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Many sea creatures are full of microplastics.

    So are you. So what?

    Look it up. Not that you'll believe it.


    I won't, until it's proven. Studies show and new research points to,
    mean nothing to me. Data can be manipulated. Studies are funded by questionable sources with skin in the game. And yes, the government is a questionable source when funding is involved.
    The last study, that I absolutely believed, was that smoking causes lung cancer. Logic, aka common sense, helped with that.


    Read the book White Coat Black Hat:Adventures on the Dark Side of
    Medicine. It has a lot of interesting observations about the world of
    medical research. Among the revelations was the issue of authorship. It
    is apparently quite common for one researcher or research team to come
    up with the ideas and to all the work and then they get some well known
    doctor or research to put his name to it. Aside from giving the research
    a little more credibility it helps to disguise the companies paying for
    the research on their products.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jul 9 01:58:49 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    Read the book White Coat Black Hat:Adventures on the Dark Side of
    Medicine. It has a lot of interesting observations about the world of medical research. Among the revelations was the issue of authorship. It
    is apparently quite common for one researcher or research team to come
    up with the ideas and to all the work and then they get some well known doctor or research to put his name to it. Aside from giving the research
    a little more credibility it helps to disguise the companies paying for
    the research on their products.


    No argument here. NGO! NGO! NGO!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jul 9 01:55:00 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Common sense is insufficient to analyze complex phenomena.


    Common sense created the notion of complex phenomena and the ability to
    analyze it.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jul 9 02:28:35 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Even your smoking analogy breaks down. Millions of people have
    smoked without getting lung cancer. Millions of people have gotten
    lung cancer who never smoked.


    That's correct. Lung cancer was rare before smoking but an actual
    disease. Millions died from it since the human race originated.
    Then, the smokers took over and lung cancer blew up. I wonder how the
    vapers are going to end up?
    Oh, and millions is a meaningless number on a planet of billions of
    people. And "ten million people will lose" is a meaningless statement in
    a country of 330 million people. In this country, divide any outrage by
    330 million and get a percentage, at least half who didn't want the
    "benefit offered or jammed" in the first place.
    Don't politics and vapid minds go together like Mutt and Jeff?

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jul 9 17:17:19 2025
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 10:39 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 2:19 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    microplastics. Microplastics. MICROPLASTICS! That's the new bandwagon.
    Jump on, and join the movement! Hee Haw!

    Sorry to say, Leo, but microplastics are very real.  The old school
    poisons were arsenic, lead, or asbestos.  No one wanted to believe
    that they were toxic, especially not manufacturers.  Now, the new
    poisons come from the plastic everything is wrapped in.  When you were
    a kid, everything came in clean metal and glass...  Now it's cellophane.

    They may not be as toxic as some of the chemical pollution of the past.
    I remember when DDT was widely used as an insecticide. I remember Jeep
    on exercises at a military base and early in the evening there was Jeep driving along the lines of tends with a bug fogger spraying an atomized
    mix of diesel and DDT.

    That spray saved a lot of lives from Malaria, and it still does in third
    world countries.

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We have
    only been using them for about 20 years and they are already being found
    in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain so we can
    expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work their way up
    the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the
    60's. I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and
    it's saved me from ever having an ant issue. Like you said, used
    widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster... But everything is
    OK, in moderation. Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Jul 9 17:50:35 2025
    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We
    have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already
    being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain
    so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work
    their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the 60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and
    it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But everything is
    OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them.

    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to eat the
    dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants. I use
    rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a bait
    trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals. If they eat
    enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 05:12:37 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:21:09 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:50:35 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We
    have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already
    being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain
    so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work
    their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the
    60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and
    it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used
    widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But everything is >>> OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them.

    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to eat the
    dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants. I use
    rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a bait
    trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals. If they eat
    enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's

    lethal for humans?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 05:13:48 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:37:10 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:21:09 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:50:35 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We
    have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already
    being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain >>>>> so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work >>>>> their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the >>>> 60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and
    it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used
    widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But everything is >>>> OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them. >>>
    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to eat the >>> dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants. I use >>> rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a bait
    trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals. If they eat
    enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's

    --

    It's borax i.e., relatively harmless. You put a drop or two next to an
    ant trail. The ants love the stuff. In a few days, no more ants.

    My daughter saw two dogs yesterday that were poison victims. One family >thought the dog had eaten crown flowers. As it goes, the dog was
    probably not poisoned with crown flowers so treatment was not possible.
    The second dog ate rat poison. The poison was in a dog-proof trap. That
    was a fail. I can't say what the outcome of these cases were but it
    don't look too good.

    In the end, there's fast poison, slow poison, and imaginary poison. I'm
    not too worried about microplastics.

    Don't say that. Leo will think they're not a problem.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 16:31:11 2025
    dsi1 wrote on 7/10/2025 3:37 PM:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:13:48 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:37:10 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:21:09 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:50:35 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We >>>>>>> have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already >>>>>>> being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food
    chain
    so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work >>>>>>> their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably
    from the
    60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and >>>>>> it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used >>>>>> widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But
    everything is
    OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid >>>>>> them.

    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to
    eat the
    dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants.
    I use
      rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a
    bait
    trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals.  If they
    eat
    enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's

    --

    It's borax i.e., relatively harmless. You put a drop or two next to an
    ant trail. The ants love the stuff. In a few days, no more ants.

    My daughter saw two dogs yesterday that were poison victims. One family
    thought the dog had eaten crown flowers. As it goes, the dog was
    probably not poisoned with crown flowers so treatment was not possible.
    The second dog ate rat poison. The poison was in a dog-proof trap. That
    was a fail. I can't say what the outcome of these cases were but it
    don't look too good.

    In the end, there's fast poison, slow poison, and imaginary poison. I'm
    not too worried about microplastics.

    Don't say that. Leo will think they're not a problem.

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery.
    I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication
    that this is not true.

    --

    Uncle, that lead you ingested has done a number on yoose brain!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 08:11:54 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:13:48 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:37:10 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:21:09 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:50:35 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We >>>>>>> have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already >>>>>>> being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain >>>>>>> so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work >>>>>>> their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the >>>>>> 60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and >>>>>> it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used >>>>>> widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But everything is
    OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them. >>>>>
    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to eat the >>>>> dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants. I use >>>>> rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a bait >>>>> trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals. If they eat >>>>> enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's

    --

    It's borax i.e., relatively harmless. You put a drop or two next to an >>>ant trail. The ants love the stuff. In a few days, no more ants.

    My daughter saw two dogs yesterday that were poison victims. One family >>>thought the dog had eaten crown flowers. As it goes, the dog was
    probably not poisoned with crown flowers so treatment was not possible. >>>The second dog ate rat poison. The poison was in a dog-proof trap. That >>>was a fail. I can't say what the outcome of these cases were but it
    don't look too good.

    In the end, there's fast poison, slow poison, and imaginary poison. I'm >>>not too worried about microplastics.

    Don't say that. Leo will think they're not a problem.

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery.
    I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication
    that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jul 10 19:40:58 2025
    Bruce wrote on 7/10/2025 5:11 PM:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:13:48 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:37:10 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:21:09 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:50:35 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-09 5:17 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I imagine the same thing is going to happen with micro plastics. We >>>>>>>> have only been using them for about 20 years and they are already >>>>>>>> being found in concerning numbers as the bottom end of the food chain >>>>>>>> so we can expect to see an increasing problem with them as they work >>>>>>>> their way up the food chain.

    I have a few bottles of Sherwin Williams branded DDT, probably from the >>>>>>> 60's.  I've used it to kill ants near the kitchen in the summer, and >>>>>>> it's saved me from ever having an ant issue.  Like you said, used >>>>>>> widespread, DDT was causing an ecological disaster...  But everything is
    OK, in moderation.  Plastics are everywhere, you just can't avoid them.

    The problem is the way the stuff accumulates and end up in more
    concentrated levels in the apex predators. Something is going to eat the >>>>>> dead ants. Something is going to eat the things that ate the ants. I use >>>>>> rodent poisons sparingly. A rodent that has been poisoned from a bait >>>>>> trap can end up being eaten by cats, dogs or wild animals. If they eat >>>>>> enough of them they can reach dangerous levels.

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's

    --

    It's borax i.e., relatively harmless. You put a drop or two next to an >>>> ant trail. The ants love the stuff. In a few days, no more ants.

    My daughter saw two dogs yesterday that were poison victims. One family >>>> thought the dog had eaten crown flowers. As it goes, the dog was
    probably not poisoned with crown flowers so treatment was not possible. >>>> The second dog ate rat poison. The poison was in a dog-proof trap. That >>>> was a fail. I can't say what the outcome of these cases were but it
    don't look too good.

    In the end, there's fast poison, slow poison, and imaginary poison. I'm >>>> not too worried about microplastics.

    Don't say that. Leo will think they're not a problem.

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery.
    I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication
    that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.


    Who cares, as long as Uncle tojo is fat, dumb and happy?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 12:18:07 2025
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 02:10:13 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I >>>worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me >>>none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    You sound much dumber than you are.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 17:16:45 2025
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 06:53:40 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 2:18:07 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 02:10:13 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I >>>>>worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>>>I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me >>>>>none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>>>that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck >>>with that.

    You sound much dumber than you are.

    I'm okay with that. Yoose boys just love whining on and on. Yoose sound
    like yoose is 6 years old. That's not good.

    For a humble Hawaiian you're very up yourself. Hawaiians must dislike
    you.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 21:39:44 2025
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I like to use Terro Ant Killer. It's


    We get tiny black ants in the kitchen during the Spring. Terro is my
    go-to. There's one, chock full of ants, next to my stand mixer now.
    I probably ought to throw it away. I haven't seen a living ant for
    awhile.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jul 11 22:04:21 2025
    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 02:10:13 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    You sound much dumber than you are.


    So do I. We need to speak this way to communicate with you.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 11 22:00:27 2025
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery.
    I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication
    that this is not true.


    I'm averse to ladders. And, oh, since it's you, I don't have PCO in my
    right eye, just a blood leak in it. Until now, I never heard of a
    retinologist. Now, I'm encouraged to see one. :(

    BUT! My optometrist said lots of people drive with one eye. My other is
    20/20, so I might be good to go!

    This has been your leo medical update for 7/11, which I'm led to
    believe, is a convenience store chain.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sat Jul 12 08:31:49 2025
    On 11 Jul 2025 22:04:21 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 02:10:13 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck >>>with that.

    You sound much dumber than you are.


    So do I. We need to speak this way to communicate with you.

    Thanks for that! :)

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 11 18:40:49 2025
    On 7/10/2025 10:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>> that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about
    plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time
    to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 11 18:42:11 2025
    On 7/11/2025 6:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery.
    I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication
    that this is not true.


    I'm averse to ladders. And, oh, since it's you, I don't have PCO in my
    right eye, just a blood leak in it. Until now, I never heard of a retinologist. Now, I'm encouraged to see one. :(

    BUT! My optometrist said lots of people drive with one eye. My other is 20/20, so I might be good to go!

    This has been your leo medical update for 7/11, which I'm led to
    believe, is a convenience store chain.

    That it is. On 7/11, they offer free small slushies. I picked one up
    today, it was some kind of lemonaid flavor. I'd never get frozen sugar
    water otherwise, but if it's free, I figured I'd give it a go.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sat Jul 12 09:24:31 2025
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:40:49 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 7/10/2025 10:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about
    plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time
    to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

    It's not something that keeps me awake at night, but topics like this
    might influence who you vote for in elections. Unless you don't give a
    shit because you're old and only care about poor little me-me.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sat Jul 12 09:28:54 2025
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:42:11 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 7/11/2025 6:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>> that this is not true.


    I'm averse to ladders. And, oh, since it's you, I don't have PCO in my
    right eye, just a blood leak in it. Until now, I never heard of a
    retinologist. Now, I'm encouraged to see one. :(

    BUT! My optometrist said lots of people drive with one eye. My other is
    20/20, so I might be good to go!

    This has been your leo medical update for 7/11, which I'm led to
    believe, is a convenience store chain.

    That it is. On 7/11, they offer free small slushies. I picked one up
    today, it was some kind of lemonaid flavor. I'd never get frozen sugar
    water otherwise, but if it's free, I figured I'd give it a go.

    I asked AI what the deal is with 11-7.

    "7-Eleven Day -- a promotional event by the convenience store chain
    7-Eleven, where they often give out free small Slurpees on 7/11. It's
    not a real holiday, just a marketing day."

    By the way, it's confusing that all y'all write dates the wrong way
    around.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jul 12 03:55:45 2025
    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:40:49 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about
    plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time
    to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

    It's not something that keeps me awake at night, but topics like this
    might influence who you vote for in elections. Unless you don't give a
    shit because you're old and only care about poor little me-me.


    All I need is scientific proof, not a "new study shows" with a bunch of squawking, bug-eyed, "journalists" on the news, promoting new laws to
    further infringe upon my independence. I've seen that all my life.

    Specifically:

    Have the "results of the studies" been independently confirmed by
    several different labs and disproven by none?

    What, independently verified, specific harm has been verified by these
    labs to show harm to humans. Be specific. What does it do?

    Show specific examples of harm.

    Anyone remember "cold fusion"? This smells like that did. I need proof,
    not lip flapping by the bug-eyed, disinformation-selling advocates on
    the news or anyone who can profit from the probable scam.
    If you proselytize against "Big Oil", this is for you. Plastic is "Big
    Oil". Should we live without it?
    Soon, I won't care, but the younger might. Pick your side, or pick proof.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sat Jul 12 16:09:20 2025
    On 12 Jul 2025 03:55:45 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:40:49 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about >>>plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time >>>to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

    It's not something that keeps me awake at night, but topics like this
    might influence who you vote for in elections. Unless you don't give a
    shit because you're old and only care about poor little me-me.


    All I need is scientific proof, not a "new study shows" with a bunch of >squawking, bug-eyed, "journalists" on the news, promoting new laws to
    further infringe upon my independence. I've seen that all my life.

    Specifically:

    Have the "results of the studies" been independently confirmed by
    several different labs and disproven by none?

    What, independently verified, specific harm has been verified by these
    labs to show harm to humans. Be specific. What does it do?

    Show specific examples of harm.

    As long as you only watch Fox News and listen to shockjocks, you'll
    never believe that human activity has something to do with climate
    change. It's ok. Don't worry about it. Have some mumble.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jul 12 09:40:02 2025
    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:42:11 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 7/11/2025 6:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>> that this is not true.


    I'm averse to ladders. And, oh, since it's you, I don't have PCO in my
    right eye, just a blood leak in it. Until now, I never heard of a
    retinologist. Now, I'm encouraged to see one. :(

    BUT! My optometrist said lots of people drive with one eye. My other is
    20/20, so I might be good to go!

    This has been your leo medical update for 7/11, which I'm led to
    believe, is a convenience store chain.

    That it is. On 7/11, they offer free small slushies. I picked one up >>today, it was some kind of lemonaid flavor. I'd never get frozen sugar >>water otherwise, but if it's free, I figured I'd give it a go.

    I asked AI what the deal is with 11-7.

    "7-Eleven Day -- a promotional event by the convenience store chain
    7-Eleven, where they often give out free small Slurpees on 7/11. It's
    not a real holiday, just a marketing day."

    By the way, it's confusing that all y'all write dates the wrong way
    around.

    We do that because we write them out like this: July 7, 2025.

    I generally prefer the clarity of 7-jul-2025. It's only a few
    additional characters.

    If I'm using dates in computer filenames, I use ISO format: 2025-07-11. Although I'm inclined to omit the hyphen or substitute an
    underscore.

    However, the convenience store chain is named for its original
    hours: 7 am to 11 pm.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to chamilton5280@invalid.com on Sat Jul 12 19:48:14 2025
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:40:02 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 18:42:11 -0400, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 7/11/2025 6:00 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-10, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I >>>>> worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me >>>>> none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>>> that this is not true.


    I'm averse to ladders. And, oh, since it's you, I don't have PCO in my >>>> right eye, just a blood leak in it. Until now, I never heard of a
    retinologist. Now, I'm encouraged to see one. :(

    BUT! My optometrist said lots of people drive with one eye. My other is >>>> 20/20, so I might be good to go!

    This has been your leo medical update for 7/11, which I'm led to
    believe, is a convenience store chain.

    That it is. On 7/11, they offer free small slushies. I picked one up >>>today, it was some kind of lemonaid flavor. I'd never get frozen sugar >>>water otherwise, but if it's free, I figured I'd give it a go.

    I asked AI what the deal is with 11-7.

    "7-Eleven Day -- a promotional event by the convenience store chain
    7-Eleven, where they often give out free small Slurpees on 7/11. It's
    not a real holiday, just a marketing day."

    By the way, it's confusing that all y'all write dates the wrong way
    around.

    We do that because we write them out like this: July 7, 2025.

    Whereas I'd write 6 juli 2025. From day, to month to year, from small
    to big.

    I generally prefer the clarity of 7-jul-2025. It's only a few
    additional characters.

    If I'm using dates in computer filenames, I use ISO format: 2025-07-11. >Although I'm inclined to omit the hyphen or substitute an
    underscore.

    When I started my working life, I was told to always include (part of)
    the name of the month in dates, when communicating with Americans, to
    avoid confusion.

    However, the convenience store chain is named for its original
    hours: 7 am to 11 pm.

    Oh, of course.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jul 12 09:46:56 2025
    On 2025-07-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 10:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>> that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    There's fretting, and then there's obliviousness. I prefer to
    keep informed. How else would I know that Trump has been
    nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize again? You can't make up
    that kind of comedy gold.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 12 11:26:14 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If I'm using dates in computer filenames, I use ISO format: 2025-07-11.

    My preferred format most of the time, although 2025-Jul-07 is my go to alternative.

    --
    I meant to behave,
    but there were too many other options.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 12 09:46:07 2025
    On 2025-07-12 5:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    the way, it's confusing that all y'all write dates the wrong way
    around.

    We do that because we write them out like this: July 7, 2025.

    I generally prefer the clarity of 7-jul-2025. It's only a few
    additional characters.

    If I'm using dates in computer filenames, I use ISO format: 2025-07-11. Although I'm inclined to omit the hyphen or substitute an
    underscore.

    However, the convenience store chain is named for its original
    hours: 7 am to 11 pm.

    It was confusing when I was working and dealing with shipping documents. Canadian shippers used the SIM system YY-MM-DD. I never with the
    Americans. It is was fresh you could usually count on it making sense in relation to the current date but they used DD-MM-YY, MM-DD-YY, YY-MM-DD
    or YY-DD-MM. There was no firm rule for their format.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 12 09:48:04 2025
    On 2025-07-12 5:46 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    There's fretting, and then there's obliviousness. I prefer to
    keep informed. How else would I know that Trump has been
    nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize again? You can't make up
    that kind of comedy gold.



    That guy has managed to ruin comedy. When he was first elected we were
    pretty sure that we was going to be keeping comedians going with lots of
    comic material. He has given them so much that they got lazy.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 12 15:00:44 2025
    On 2025-07-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-07-12 5:46 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    There's fretting, and then there's obliviousness. I prefer to
    keep informed. How else would I know that Trump has been
    nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize again? You can't make up
    that kind of comedy gold.



    That guy has managed to ruin comedy. When he was first elected we were
    pretty sure that we was going to be keeping comedians going with lots of comic material. He has given them so much that they got lazy.

    How would you satirize him? Satire relies on exaggeration, but
    there's nothing so extreme that Trump wouldn't suggest it.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 12 12:43:34 2025
    On 2025-07-12 11:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    That guy has managed to ruin comedy. When he was first elected we were
    pretty sure that we was going to be keeping comedians going with lots of
    comic material. He has given them so much that they got lazy.

    How would you satirize him? Satire relies on exaggeration, but
    there's nothing so extreme that Trump wouldn't suggest it.



    He has become a parody of himself. He has pulled off an amazing feat by
    using his experience as a "reality" show participant and turned the
    presidency into a reality show.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sun Jul 13 04:17:54 2025
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:48:04 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-07-12 5:46 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    There's fretting, and then there's obliviousness. I prefer to
    keep informed. How else would I know that Trump has been
    nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize again? You can't make up
    that kind of comedy gold.

    That guy has managed to ruin comedy. When he was first elected we were
    pretty sure that we was going to be keeping comedians going with lots of >comic material. He has given them so much that they got lazy.

    I watch a daily talk show where the Trump video fragment of the day is
    a recurring thing. For instance, Trump complimenting the president of
    English speaking country Liberia on his English. Or Trump telling an
    attractive African reporter woman who asked him a question, that she's "beautiful, outside and inside".

    Who needs comedians when you have Trump?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Sun Jul 13 04:28:56 2025
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:03:54 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:40:49 +0000, Michael Trew wrote:

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about
    plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time
    to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

    Some people allow their life to be ruled by fear, I can't abide by that.
    I've been aware of the microplastic danger for decades. I've worked with
    it. It's some cool stuff.

    Microplastics are just the latest, fashionable, fear currently trending.
    In my day it was disposable diapers that was going to end the planet,
    well that and nuclear Armageddon. These days, I no longer worry about >disposable diapers.

    You sound like Leo, but you don't have the excuse of being Leo.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 12 20:27:06 2025
    In article <687192f4$0$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
    michael.trew@att.net says...

    On 7/10/2025 10:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I
    worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>> I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me
    none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>> that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale
    damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing.

    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck
    with that.

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    Unfortunately, most of the older generation isn't concerned about
    plastics. It makes sense, y'all will be dead and gone before it's time
    to really worry. You should be worried about your grandkids, though.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jul 12 21:38:59 2025
    On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:48:04 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-07-12 5:46 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-11, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Fretting about something beyond your control is pointless, that's why
    I've lost interest in national politics.

    There's fretting, and then there's obliviousness. I prefer to
    keep informed. How else would I know that Trump has been
    nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize again? You can't make up
    that kind of comedy gold.

    That guy has managed to ruin comedy. When he was first elected we were >>pretty sure that we was going to be keeping comedians going with lots of >>comic material. He has given them so much that they got lazy.

    I watch a daily talk show where the Trump video fragment of the day is
    a recurring thing. For instance, Trump complimenting the president of
    English speaking country Liberia on his English. Or Trump telling an attractive African reporter woman who asked him a question, that she's "beautiful, outside and inside".

    Who needs comedians when you have Trump?

    I prefer: Who needs Trump when you have comedians?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Sun Jul 13 18:57:15 2025
    On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 08:50:07 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 7:16:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 06:53:40 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 2:18:07 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 02:10:13 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:11:54 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:37:45 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote: >>>>>>
    At our age, microplastics are not a problem. Trust me on this one. I >>>>>>>worry about the ground not being completely flat, or that it's slippery. >>>>>>>I used to work with microplastics and lead vapors. It didn't hurt me >>>>>>>none, Chester. My theory is that I'll live forever. I have no indication >>>>>>>that this is not true.

    Microplastics might not hurt you or me personally, but large scale >>>>>> damage to the planet, including the ocean fauna, is still a bad thing. >>>>>
    If you feel the need to fret on about it, it's your choice. Good luck >>>>>with that.

    You sound much dumber than you are.

    I'm okay with that. Yoose boys just love whining on and on. Yoose sound >>>like yoose is 6 years old. That's not good.

    For a humble Hawaiian you're very up yourself. Hawaiians must dislike
    you.

    Da Hawaiians think that whiny people are weak and full of fear. They
    are, of course, right about that.

    You'd know.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Mon Jul 14 23:58:50 2025
    On 2025-07-13, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    These days, I get my eye checked by an ophthalmologist. He'll take some pictures of the area near my optic nerve. He'll spot some leaks but says
    it's nothing to worry about. It's a much better deal, if you ask me.


    I will keep that in mind. Thank you.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jul 14 20:35:33 2025
    On 2025-07-14 7:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-13, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    These days, I get my eye checked by an ophthalmologist. He'll take some
    pictures of the area near my optic nerve. He'll spot some leaks but says
    it's nothing to worry about. It's a much better deal, if you ask me.


    I will keep that in mind. Thank you.


    It's a good idea to see a specialist if you have issues. Detached
    retinas tend to start as very minor problems and if caught early they
    can be lasered back before they get worse.

    My ophthalmologist surprised me on my last visit by telling me I was out
    of the danger period of a recurrence of of my problem. I have optic
    ischemic neuritis in my right eye that has left me with only about 1/3
    of my central vision. The left eye is fine. He had told me when it
    happened almost five years ago that we had caught it in good time and
    that my vision might return. It has not. Now he tells me that for a
    period of time I was at high risk of it happening in the other eye, but
    now were are out of the danger period. He told me if I have any
    problems at all not to bother going to the ER but to call his office and
    they will get me in immediately.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Jul 14 20:28:09 2025
    Dave Smith wrote on 7/14/2025 7:35 PM:
    On 2025-07-14 7:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-13, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    These days, I get my eye checked by an ophthalmologist. He'll take some
    pictures of the area near my optic nerve. He'll spot some leaks but says >>> it's nothing to worry about. It's a much better deal, if you ask me.


    I will keep that in mind. Thank you.


    It's a good idea to see a specialist if you have issues.  Detached
    retinas tend to start as very minor problems and if caught early they
    can be lasered back before they get worse.

    My ophthalmologist surprised me on my last visit by telling me I was out
    of the danger period of a recurrence of of my problem. I have optic
    ischemic neuritis in my right eye that has left me with only about 1/3
    of my central vision. The left eye is fine. He had told me when it
    happened almost five years ago that we had caught it in good time and
    that my vision might return.  It has not. Now he tells me that for a
    period of time I was at high risk of it happening in the other eye, but
    now were are out of the danger period.  He told me if I have any
    problems at all not to bother going to the ER but to call his office and
    they will get me in immediately.

    He know that you are his most important patient, so I believe you can
    expect the very best treatment available.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jul 18 01:48:23 2025
    On 2025-07-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    My ophthalmologist surprised me on my last visit by telling me I was out
    of the danger period of a recurrence of of my problem. I have optic
    ischemic neuritis in my right eye that has left me with only about 1/3
    of my central vision. The left eye is fine. He had told me when it
    happened almost five years ago that we had caught it in good time and
    that my vision might return. It has not. Now he tells me that for a
    period of time I was at high risk of it happening in the other eye, but
    now were are out of the danger period. He told me if I have any
    problems at all not to bother going to the ER but to call his office and
    they will get me in immediately.


    Your right eye problem sounds a lot like mine. I have peripheral and a
    cloud in the center. If, the quicker I got it fixed, the better, I lose.
    I have a outrageously early, 8:30 AM appt, with an eye specialist, Monday.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jul 17 22:23:58 2025
    On 2025-07-17 9:48 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:


    Your right eye problem sounds a lot like mine. I have peripheral and a
    cloud in the center. If, the quicker I got it fixed, the better, I lose.
    I have a outrageously early, 8:30 AM appt, with an eye specialist, Monday.



    You might consider yourself lucky to have and early morning appointment.
    From my experience taking myself and my wife to ophthamology
    appointments they tend to run late. Mine are usually mid afternoon and I usually have to wait a while before I get called into the second waiting
    area. After waiting there someone comes and gives my the dilating drops.
    I wait for that to kick in and then I go in for some testing with the assistant. Then back out to the inner waiting room to wait for the
    doctor. I get taken to the examination room and sit there for 10-15
    minutes for the doctor and get about three minutes with him.


    It has been better since Covid because now they run closer to schedule.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jul 18 15:34:23 2025
    On 18 Jul 2025 01:48:23 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    My ophthalmologist surprised me on my last visit by telling me I was out
    of the danger period of a recurrence of of my problem. I have optic
    ischemic neuritis in my right eye that has left me with only about 1/3
    of my central vision. The left eye is fine. He had told me when it
    happened almost five years ago that we had caught it in good time and
    that my vision might return. It has not. Now he tells me that for a
    period of time I was at high risk of it happening in the other eye, but
    now were are out of the danger period. He told me if I have any
    problems at all not to bother going to the ER but to call his office and
    they will get me in immediately.


    Your right eye problem sounds a lot like mine. I have peripheral and a
    cloud in the center. If, the quicker I got it fixed, the better, I lose.
    I have a outrageously early, 8:30 AM appt, with an eye specialist, Monday.

    Don't mumble too much on Sunday evening!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Fri Jul 18 09:17:56 2025
    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    My doc will take pictures of my retina with no dilation. Beats me how
    that works. Modern technology makes it possible to do eye measurements without eye charts and patient feedback.

    That doesn't take into account the large amount of processing your
    brain does.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 18 09:27:23 2025
    On 2025-07-18 4:55 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 2:23:58 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-17 9:48 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:


    Your right eye problem sounds a lot like mine. I have peripheral and a
    cloud in the center. If, the quicker I got it fixed, the better, I lose. >>> I have a outrageously early, 8:30 AM appt, with an eye specialist,
    Monday.



    You might consider yourself lucky to have and early morning appointment.
     From my experience taking myself and my wife to ophthamology
    appointments they tend to run late. Mine are usually mid afternoon and I
    usually have to wait a while before I get called into the second waiting
    area. After waiting there someone comes and gives my the dilating drops.
    I wait for that to kick in and then I go in for some testing with the
    assistant. Then back out to the inner waiting room to wait for the
    doctor. I get taken to the examination room and sit there for 10-15
    minutes for the doctor and get about three minutes with him.


    It has been better since Covid because now they run closer to schedule.

    My doc will take pictures of my retina with no dilation. Beats me how
    that works. Modern technology makes it possible to do eye measurements without eye charts and patient feedback. I don't know how that works
    either. Eye ball pressure is still measured by deflection of a puff of
    air.

    The optometrist checks pressure with a puff of air but the
    ophthomalogist's assistant puts something right on the surface. I get
    dilated and numbed ahead of time.

    Checking my right eye is a challenge. Most of the time I have a patch of
    grey so I often see no letters at all, but then occasionally the letter
    will appear for a split second.




    Our club is able to do vision screening in seconds using a hand held diagnostic gizmo. This is done at the local elementary schools. The technology is amazing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcmdHIg5oo

    --

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 05:58:05 2025
    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 wrote:

    I frequently [...] I see things that aren't there.

    A few times a year, I see migraine auras.

    (Luckily. I never get the painful headaches.)

    The last aura started as an ellipse
    with eccentricity just under unity.

    Absolutely beautiful, but then it
    expanded away from the 'origin'
    anisotropically just enough to make
    it sort of difficult to read &c.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 15:39:19 2025
    On 2025-07-19, gm wrote:

    Masterbation might rid you of them pesky migraines

    As I said, I do NOT get the headaches, just the auras.

    If driving, I will usually pause for a half-hour,
    just to be able to read traffic signs to the
    ability I have become accustomed to.

    It starts from a point between the L & R blind spots.

    Then it spreads as a roughly expanding bubble to
    the edge of the field of vision. It manifests as
    moving diagonal black & white bars.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jul 19 12:50:24 2025
    On 7/19/2025 11:39 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2025-07-19, gm wrote:

    Masterbation might rid you of them pesky migraines

    As I said, I do NOT get the headaches, just the auras.

    If driving, I will usually pause for a half-hour,
    just to be able to read traffic signs to the
    ability I have become accustomed to.

    It starts from a point between the L & R blind spots.

    Then it spreads as a roughly expanding bubble to
    the edge of the field of vision. It manifests as
    moving diagonal black & white bars.

    Sounds like it would make a nifty video. Colorize it, depending on the
    season.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jul 19 16:56:37 2025
    On 2025-07-19, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-19, gm wrote:

    Masterbation might rid you of them pesky migraines

    As I said, I do NOT get the headaches, just the auras.

    If driving, I will usually pause for a half-hour,
    just to be able to read traffic signs to the
    ability I have become accustomed to.

    It starts from a point between the L & R blind spots.

    Then it spreads as a roughly expanding bubble to
    the edge of the field of vision. It manifests as
    moving diagonal black & white bars.

    I get just the auras, too. White squiggles moving across
    my field of vision. If I'm at home, I take ibuprofen, have
    a hot shower, and put on my sunglasses. If I'm out, I skip
    the shower. I used to get some weird looks when I sat in
    my cube at the office with my shades on.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 19 17:32:11 2025
    On 2025-07-19, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I get just the auras, too. White squiggles
    moving across my field of vision.

    I used to get some weird looks when I sat in
    my cube at the office with my shades on.

    It happened once while I was taking minutes at one
    of those interminable office meetings using
    someone else's portable. I'm not a touch-typist,
    and I could just make bullets &c either above or
    below the aura to expand later after the meeting.

    The hardest part was not looking at the aura,
    because it was shaped as a fairly accurate
    ellipse and was extrememly 'attractive'
    visually due to the moving diagonal bars.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 19 13:37:19 2025
    On 2025-07-19 10:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-19, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2025-07-19, gm wrote:

    Masterbation might rid you of them pesky migraines

    As I said, I do NOT get the headaches, just the auras.

    If driving, I will usually pause for a half-hour,
    just to be able to read traffic signs to the
    ability I have become accustomed to.

    It starts from a point between the L & R blind spots.

    Then it spreads as a roughly expanding bubble to
    the edge of the field of vision. It manifests as
    moving diagonal black & white bars.

    I get just the auras, too. White squiggles moving across
    my field of vision. If I'm at home, I take ibuprofen, have
    a hot shower, and put on my sunglasses. If I'm out, I skip
    the shower. I used to get some weird looks when I sat in
    my cube at the office with my shades on.

    I had a friend whose migraines started off like yours but
    progressed to the full-on stage. He stopped them progressing
    after the flashes by submerging his arms in hot water.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Sun Jul 20 07:04:59 2025
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:49:33 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 5:58:05 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 wrote:

    I frequently [...] I see things that aren't there.

    A few times a year, I see migraine auras.

    (Luckily. I never get the painful headaches.)

    The last aura started as an ellipse
    with eccentricity just under unity.

    Absolutely beautiful, but then it
    expanded away from the 'origin'
    anisotropically just enough to make
    it sort of difficult to read &c.

    I've not seen auras, I have seen halos. They look like the halos from >religious Renaissance paintings. I've had this happen twice. It
    certainly is beautiful. When I first saw it, I thought I was having a >religious vision. The reality was that it was caused by some non-holy >translucent material in my eyes. Too bad, we could have been into
    something really important there.

    You could have started your own Lourdes in Hawaii.

    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 17:26:53 2025
    dsi1 wrote on 7/19/2025 3:49 PM:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 5:58:05 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 wrote:

    I frequently [...] I see things that aren't there.

    A few times a year, I see migraine auras.

    (Luckily. I never get the painful headaches.)

    The last aura started as an ellipse
    with eccentricity just under unity.

    Absolutely beautiful, but then it
    expanded away from the 'origin'
    anisotropically just enough to make
    it sort of difficult to read &c.

    I've not seen auras, I have seen halos. They look like the halos from religious Renaissance paintings. I've had this happen twice. It
    certainly is beautiful. When I first saw it, I thought I was having a religious vision. The reality was that it was caused by some non-holy translucent material in my eyes. Too bad, we could have been into
    something really important there.

    --


    Nah Tojo. That was just da Hiwaiians messing with yoose.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jul 20 01:28:32 2025
    On 2025-07-18, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    That doesn't take into account the large amount of processing your
    brain does.


    I thought so too. That's why I didn't complain about double vision when
    I had my right eye done. Brain too stupid. Eye no better. Ugh!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Sun Jul 20 01:32:26 2025
    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Your blind spot is probably just too big for your brain to easily hide.
    I frequently misinterpret the things that I see i.e, I see things that
    aren't there. My guess is that my eyes are not in tip-top shape. It's
    either that and/or my brain. It's just a fun little thing that happens
    to me.


    I see magic sprites too. That's a newer phenomenon. You don't suppose
    that it has anything to do with an aging brain, do you?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Sun Jul 20 01:47:50 2025
    On 2025-07-19, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I've not seen auras, I have seen halos. They look like the halos from religious Renaissance paintings. I've had this happen twice. It
    certainly is beautiful. When I first saw it, I thought I was having a religious vision. The reality was that it was caused by some non-holy translucent material in my eyes. Too bad, we could have been into
    something really important there.


    Easy for you to say. A couple of thousand years ago, the experience may
    have transformed you into a messiah. Then, all you had to do is sell it!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Jul 20 11:52:20 2025
    On 20 Jul 2025 01:32:26 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-18, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Your blind spot is probably just too big for your brain to easily hide.
    I frequently misinterpret the things that I see i.e, I see things that
    aren't there. My guess is that my eyes are not in tip-top shape. It's
    either that and/or my brain. It's just a fun little thing that happens
    to me.


    I see magic sprites too. That's a newer phenomenon. You don't suppose
    that it has anything to do with an aging brain, do you?

    It depends. Do you also see a lot of Fox News? That would definitely
    be a symptom.

    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 20 18:21:05 2025
    On 2025-07-20, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I see magic sprites too.

    Shooting stars? Can you correllate
    their path(s) with pulse?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jul 20 20:57:40 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    I get just the auras, too. White squiggles moving across
    my field of vision. If I'm at home, I take ibuprofen, have
    a hot shower, and put on my sunglasses. If I'm out, I skip
    the shower. I used to get some weird looks when I sat in
    my cube at the office with my shades on.

    i have multicolored lightning which can go across my
    entire field of vision. no headaches thank goodness...

    i used to have more headaches but not in recent years.
    it was no fun to lose a day here or there where i'd just
    stay inside and try to sleep as that was the best way to
    get through them. any light or noise was so bad.


    songbird

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi100@yahoo.com on Tue Jul 22 02:38:40 2025
    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see
    them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.


    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Jul 22 12:49:28 2025
    On 22 Jul 2025 02:38:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see
    them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.

    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular >degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    You might soon be able to see through Fox News! Talk about an eye
    opener!

    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jul 21 23:24:25 2025
    On 7/21/2025 10:38 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see
    them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.


    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    I've done aspirin for a few years now but it is not as severe as most "thinners". Better than a stoke. Coming home from the hospital/rehab I
    take a bunch of stuff right now.

    Of course, I only take prescription strength placebos too!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jul 21 21:21:27 2025
    On 2025-07-21 8:38 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see
    them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.


    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    Apart from your eye problem, what had you against Xarelto?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Jul 22 04:05:54 2025
    On 2025-07-22, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Apart from your eye problem, what had you against Xarelto?


    Probably ignorance and fear. Throughout my life, I've gotten occasional, spontaneous bloody noses that are hard enough to stop without thinned
    blood. I'm a fan of scabbing, not oozing. My mindset may be irrational. Nevertheless, everyone of us has, at least, one irrational fear, I'll
    wager. I'm mellowing on this particular subject, but I'm not there yet.
    If the opthalmologist and cardiologist can agree, so can I.
    I'm irrational about ticks and rabies too. Oh...and lockjaw, which
    reminds me, I need a lockjaw shot. I'm due.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 08:40:48 2025
    In article <105mu7q$33cbh$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 22 Jul 2025 02:38:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see >> them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.

    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular >degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both >agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    You might soon be able to see through Fox News! Talk about an eye
    opener!

    :-)

    Janet UK

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 27 18:07:34 2025
    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.


    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    I don't care for blood thinners either. I quit taking a daily dose of aspirin because blood thinners could cause other problems. My doc didn't hassle me for my personal decision. These days, you can pick whether you want to die by hemorrhaging or a stroke.

    My wife's coworker's 9-year-old son asked his dad to bring home some medicine for a black spot in his vision. They had his eye checked out and there was bleeding and scaring in both his eyes. She sent some pictures and it was a pretty alarming sight. They docs are going to try laser. The kid wants to play football this year. It don't look so good on any level.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 27 14:34:18 2025
    On 2025-07-27 2:07 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    I don't care for blood thinners either. I quit taking a daily dose of aspirin because blood thinners could cause other problems. My doc didn't hassle me for
    my personal decision. These days, you can pick whether you want to die by hemorrhaging or a stroke.

    My wife's coworker's 9-year-old son asked his dad to bring home some medicine for a black spot in his vision. They had his eye checked out and there was bleeding and scaring in both his eyes. She sent some pictures and it was a pretty alarming sight. They docs are going to try laser. The kid wants to play
    football this year. It don't look so good on any level.

    Good luck with that. About 8-9 years ago on Christmas Day my wife
    noticed a black spot in her vision and went to the ER. She was told it
    was just a floater and it was age related but arranged for her to see
    the ophthalmologist the next morning. The ophthalmologist said it was a
    retinal hemorrhage and sent he back to the nearby hospital where he
    lasered it. About 4-5 months later she had the same thing in the other
    eye except this time it was detached.

    She has had to get approval from the ophthalmologist to take a
    particular arthritis medication because it can play hell with retinas.
    The retina is a pretty delicate arrangement of cells and is susceptible
    to blood issues.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 27 19:56:50 2025
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-07-27 2:07 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    I don't care for blood thinners either. I quit taking a daily dose of aspirin
    because blood thinners could cause other problems. My doc didn't hassle me for
    my personal decision. These days, you can pick whether you want to die by hemorrhaging or a stroke.

    My wife's coworker's 9-year-old son asked his dad to bring home some medicine
    for a black spot in his vision. They had his eye checked out and there was bleeding and scaring in both his eyes. She sent some pictures and it was a pretty alarming sight. They docs are going to try laser. The kid wants to play
    football this year. It don't look so good on any level.

    Good luck with that. About 8-9 years ago on Christmas Day my wife
    noticed a black spot in her vision and went to the ER. She was told it
    was just a floater and it was age related but arranged for her to see
    the ophthalmologist the next morning. The ophthalmologist said it was a retinal hemorrhage and sent he back to the nearby hospital where he
    lasered it. About 4-5 months later she had the same thing in the other
    eye except this time it was detached.

    She has had to get approval from the ophthalmologist to take a
    particular arthritis medication because it can play hell with retinas.
    The retina is a pretty delicate arrangement of cells and is susceptible
    to blood issues.


    I used to get my eyes lasered for retinal bleeding several times a year. After a
    while, I got tired of it. It was obvious a money generating racket. That was about 4 years ago. I ain't looked back since.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid on Sun Jul 27 21:39:47 2025
    On 2025-07-27, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-07-20, dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com> wrote:

    OTOH, you might be seeing floaters. If they're red and white and you see >> > them while you're fishing the chances are pretty good.


    A update, just for you. A opthalmologist diagnosed me with wet macular
    degeneration today. A cardiologist, who has been unsuccessfully
    prescribing Xarelto to me, said he'd call the opthalmologist to see if
    the Xarelto was a good idea, for me. I'll start taking it if they both
    agree. I don't like the idea of "blood thinners".
    I was subjected to brilliant lights, eye drops and a injection that
    turned my urine yellower, just for a diagnosis. For some reason, I can
    see better, out of my bad eye, tonight. Why?
    Stay tuned, with bated breath, for more of "Leo's Medical Adventures".
    ;)

    I don't care for blood thinners either. I quit taking a daily dose of aspirin because blood thinners could cause other problems. My doc didn't hassle me for
    my personal decision. These days, you can pick whether you want to die by hemorrhaging or a stroke.

    I'll take hemorrhage. You might not die from a stroke, but simply
    be left unable to do anything.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jul 31 23:50:53 2025
    On 2025-07-30, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-07-30 2:54 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I'm supposed to get a shot in my right eye in a couple of days. I may be
    able to handle the results, or I may not. I turned down a experimental
    procedure that would possibly waste my time and health for five months.
    I'm ten years too old for that.

    There is also the risk of thinking you are getting the new experimental procedure and being the control group. Imagine how many people have been involved in drug studies and have taken various medications for their treatment only to find out they had take the placebo.


    The literature I read said my chances of getting the experimental drug
    was one in three. Worse, I actually have to show up! The hell with that.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 20:06:47 2025
    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-07-27, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I don't care for blood thinners either. I quit taking a daily dose of aspirin
    because blood thinners could cause other problems. My doc didn't hassle me for
    my personal decision. These days, you can pick whether you want to die by hemorrhaging or a stroke.


    I chose by hemorrhaging. The docs were in agreement. I feel "thinner" already. ;)

    To be honest, it might be that I just wanted to stop having to take that one extra
    baby aspirin dose in the morning. The good news is that baby aspirin is dirt cheap.
    I inject insulin several times a day so I get to see enough of my blood. It looks
    plenty thin, if you ask me.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 17:32:06 2025
    On 2025-08-01 4:06 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    To be honest, it might be that I just wanted to stop having to take that one extra
    baby aspirin dose in the morning. The good news is that baby aspirin is dirt cheap.
    I inject insulin several times a day so I get to see enough of my blood. It looks
    plenty thin, if you ask me.

    As if you need to use a hypodermic to see your own blood when in blood thinners. Just try reaching something that has dropped between your
    diver seat and the console without scraping it and bleeding profusely.
    Rub your hand or arm against a rough textured wall. Where I used to get patches of skin that would turn a little white I now get bleeding wounds.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 2 02:06:29 2025
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-01 4:06 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    To be honest, it might be that I just wanted to stop having to take that one extra
    baby aspirin dose in the morning. The good news is that baby aspirin is dirt cheap.
    I inject insulin several times a day so I get to see enough of my blood. It looks
    plenty thin, if you ask me.

    As if you need to use a hypodermic to see your own blood when in blood thinners. Just try reaching something that has dropped between your
    diver seat and the console without scraping it and bleeding profusely.
    Rub your hand or arm against a rough textured wall. Where I used to get patches of skin that would turn a little white I now get bleeding wounds.

    This is what comes out of being made out of flesh and blood - especially old flesh and blood. In the future, people will be replaced with humanoid robots that won't have this problem. Maybe we are already humanoid robots that are dreaming we're flesh and blood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ4Sqihq_kQ

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