What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
As bad as I hate to I'm going to be cooking that ham
and scalloped potato dish I spoke of well over a week
ago. That means the oven will be on for over an
hour, but this will produce some leftovers even if I
give a hefty plate to a neighbor.
I had forgotten about my potatoes and a few have
sprouted, but that's no big deal. Plus, I get to
try out a new silicone baking dish I had bought a
few weeks ago. It will go into the oven on a cookie
sheet since this material is on the wobbly side. A
skillet of cornbread will share the plate, too.
Maybe some sliced tomatoes as well.
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
On 7/11/2025 4:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
Calzone tonight. My son is ordering one and will bring some over a
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
little later. Probably have a beer with it.
Nice to be home.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different appliances.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My mom's kitchen also faced west and cooking in that room
in the summer is what I'd imagine working in a foundry
would be like. 🥵
Presently it's 92°F (33°C) which has been one of the
'cooler' days here.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:11:05 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
Shouldn't the heat an oven generates mainly be inside the oven, not
outside? Of course, I understand you don't need extra heat at 33C.
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My mom's kitchen also faced west and cooking in that room
in the summer is what I'd imagine working in a foundry
would be like. 🥵
Presently it's 92°F (33°C) which has been one of the
'cooler' days here.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different appliances.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house.
unless I stand almost against it.
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
American ovens are poorly insulated.
Physics tells us, though, that the heat from your oven will eventually
make its way out into your kitchen.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:24:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:11:05 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netWell, yes most of it is in the oven. But they also have
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
Shouldn't the heat an oven generates mainly be inside the oven, not
outside? Of course, I understand you don't need extra heat at 33C.
vents along the front side of the stove behind the burners
releasing that heat into the room. It doesn't help that
my kitchen is the size of a shoebox; sometimes I feel
like I'm cooking inside a kiln.
In article <104rtlu$1mlt6$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house.
Always strikes me as very odd too
I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it.
Same here. Possibly there's more regulation in UK and
Aus about insulation to reduce ebergy consumption etc
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My mom's kitchen also faced west and cooking in that room
in the summer is what I'd imagine working in a foundry
would be like. 🥵
Presently it's 92°F (33°C) which has been one of the
'cooler' days here.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:35:31 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:24:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:11:05 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netWell, yes most of it is in the oven. But they also have
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different >>>>> appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
Shouldn't the heat an oven generates mainly be inside the oven, not
outside? Of course, I understand you don't need extra heat at 33C.
vents along the front side of the stove behind the burners
releasing that heat into the room. It doesn't help that
my kitchen is the size of a shoebox; sometimes I feel
like I'm cooking inside a kiln.
I don't think our oven has vents.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:00:03 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house.
Always strikes me as very odd too
I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it.
Same here. Possibly there's more regulation in UK and
Aus about insulation to reduce energy consumption etc
Yes, it must be something like that. Poor insulation.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different appliances.
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
American ovens are poorly insulated.
Physics tells us, though, that the heat from your oven will eventually
make its way out into your kitchen.
On 7/11/2025 11:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:35:31 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIs yours an electric oven?
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:24:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:11:05 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netWell, yes most of it is in the oven. But they also have
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netIf my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen >>>>>>> will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>>>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different >>>>>> appliances.
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
Shouldn't the heat an oven generates mainly be inside the oven, not
outside? Of course, I understand you don't need extra heat at 33C.
vents along the front side of the stove behind the burners
releasing that heat into the room. It doesn't help that
my kitchen is the size of a shoebox; sometimes I feel
like I'm cooking inside a kiln.
I don't think our oven has vents.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:31:03 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:00:03 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Remember this banana bread picture? Look behind that
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>> half their house.
Always strikes me as very odd too
I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it.
Same here. Possibly there's more regulation in UK and
Aus about insulation to reduce energy consumption etc
Yes, it must be something like that. Poor insulation.
can of Bakers Joy and you'll see a black and sort of
silver line running horizontally. That's the oven
vent. I made the mistake one time of sitting a pot
on a back burner that was off, but the oven was on.
Quick as lightning I jerked my hand back from the heat.
There's no heat escaping around the oven door, it's
the vent releasing the heat into the room.
https://i.postimg.cc/QM6pY8NJ/Banana-Bread.jpg
Thankfully, no stovetop cooking today to add to the
heat.
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on
a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:55:49 +0000, Ed P wrote:
On 7/11/2025 4:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:I know you're glad to be home!!! Great you're getting
Calzone tonight. My son is ordering one and will bring some over a
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
little later. Probably have a beer with it.
Nice to be home.
something brought to you and not cooking your first
day home.
Bruce wrote on 7/11/2025 3:54 PM:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It's natural Master. Since americans are shitty people, the chinese
naturally sell them shitty appliances. The dutch and Australians get the >finest stuff off their assembly lines. Asians get so-so stuff. Negroes
get all the appliances that failed inspection.
On 11 Jul 2025 23:36:29 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on
a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:00:03 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <104rtlu$1mlt6$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house.
Always strikes me as very odd too
I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it.
Same here. Possibly there's more regulation in UK and
Aus about insulation to reduce ebergy consumption etc
Yes, it must be something like that. Poor insulation.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different appliances.
On 7/11/2025 6:31 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:00:03 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Certainly old ovens were. On the north, the heat would be welcome in
In article <104rtlu$1mlt6$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>> half their house.
Always strikes me as very odd too
I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it.
Same here. Possibly there's more regulation in UK and
Aus about insulation to reduce ebergy consumption etc
Yes, it must be something like that. Poor insulation.
winter.
Mine is 6 years old and really don't notice, even on hot day, but I also
have central AC that takes care of it. There is venting though.
Bruce wrote on 7/11/2025 6:47 PM:
On 11 Jul 2025 23:36:29 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on >>> a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
Probably some of that dutch anus beef gets used in those horrible items
too, Master.
Don't eat it. Just sniff it.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower
oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It depends. My guess is that all modern ovens are heavily insulated. If
you have a gas oven, it needs to have a flow of air through it. Without
air, you cannot have combustion. The gas oven that I grew up with had a
vent out the front, over the door. There was also a vent that went up
through the roof. The heat released into the kitchen was pretty intense.
The combustion of gas also produces a good deal of water vapor. Heat
plus water vapor makes for a hot, unpleasant, kitchen - if you're in the >tropics. If you live in the cold, dry, North, it could make for a
pleasant, balmy, kitchen. My step-mom has a pretty big gas oven but she >mostly uses a Ninja Air Fryer for baking - so do I.
As Melba used to say, the best meals
you will ever eat are the ones you
don't cook yourself. So there!
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different appliances.
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It probably has something to do with humidity. Ours is low, and I don't
think twice about using the oven on hot days. One local TV station is >predicting over 100F temps for the next five days. My weather app, on my
Mac, shows Monday at 102F and no other days over 99F.
I've seen the TV station be dramatic, weather wise, before. We'll see.
Right now, we're at 96F with humidity at 11%. The swamp cooler is
struggling. It will get worse, but by how much?
I soak my shirt, wring it out, and sit on my La-Z-Boy on a towel. Seems
to work so far in this life. When in doubt, get wet. Low humidity!
It probably has something to do with humidity. Ours is low, and I don't
think twice about using the oven on hot days. One local TV station is predicting over 100F temps for the next five days. My weather app, on my
Mac, shows Monday at 102F and no other days over 99F.
I've seen the TV station be dramatic, weather wise, before. We'll see.
Right now, we're at 96F with humidity at 11%. The swamp cooler is
struggling. It will get worse, but by how much?
I soak my shirt, wring it out, and sit on my La-Z-Boy on a towel. Seems
to work so far in this life. When in doubt, get wet. Low humidity!
On 2025-07-11, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
It's stinking hot and humid here today and I am not having fond memories
of that summer job. The money was really good, but the work was wicked
hot.
Yes, you are! Deep down, you're proud as hell of that job. Our worst
memories of working are the ones that persist and mellow into pride
over time.
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs, >ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
It's stinking hot and humid here today and I am not having fond memories
of that summer job. The money was really good, but the work was wicked
hot.
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
Yeah, we don't pay much attention to #woke crap and never have. I don't
think I've ever drank a "diet" anything or paid attention to the next
big danger-food that will kill me.
So far, so good. May you be so lucky. Live life by your own ignorance.
On 2025-07-11, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
As Melba used to say, the best meals
you will ever eat are the ones you
don't cook yourself. So there!
Yah. Cooking part of yourself always
puts a damper on the fun.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
Did you ever have one of these...???
Swamp Coolers: The Poor Man’s Air Conditioning
https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/swamp-coolers-the-poor-mans-air-conditioning/
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
Spend 45 years in your present location, and whether you want to or not, >you'll probably know which way the rooms in your house face. OTOH, I'm
not sure whether my wife does.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs, >>>ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs, >>ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I thought you don’t approve of corn.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture: <https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast tomorrow.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar.
Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
Man's work used to kill innocent people on the other side of the
world. Proud? Nah.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs, >>>ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Man's work used to kill innocent people on the other side of the
world. Proud? Nah.
I know! Right? Suffering the sins of our fathers is the most useless
thing one can do. Kamala said it best. Blunder blindly into a unknown
future, ignoring the lessons of the past. That's progressivism!
I'm paraphrasing, but she said exactly that with different words. Look
it up.
Nothing in past history, except your very existence, affects you. Get
over it! Feel lucky! Enjoy sunrise tomorrow, if you make it.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:49:48 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower >>>>> oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
American ovens are poorly insulated.
Physics tells us, though, that the heat from your oven will eventually
make its way out into your kitchen.
Yes, it's gotta go somewhere, but maybe more gradually than through deliberate vents.
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast tomorrow.
On 2025-07-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs,
ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
Any work done by a man is man's work. I reject your narrow viewpoint.
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:49:48 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton >><chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock, >>>>>> dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower >>>>>> oil.
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
American ovens are poorly insulated.
Physics tells us, though, that the heat from your oven will eventually >>>make its way out into your kitchen.
Yes, it's gotta go somewhere, but maybe more gradually than through
deliberate vents.
At least some Australian ovens have vents.
Google's AI informs me:
"Integrated Oven Vents: Many ovens have vents built into the appliance >itself, often located above the door, at the bottom of the control
panel, or at the rear. These may utilize a fan to recirculate air or to >direct fumes and heat outwards, according to Kleenmaid Appliances."
On 11 Jul 2025 23:36:29 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on
a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It probably has something to do with humidity. Ours is low, and I don't
think twice about using the oven on hot days. One local TV station is predicting over 100F temps for the next five days. My weather app, on my
Mac, shows Monday at 102F and no other days over 99F.
I've seen the TV station be dramatic, weather wise, before. We'll see.
Right now, we're at 96F with humidity at 11%. The swamp cooler is
struggling. It will get worse, but by how much?
I soak my shirt, wring it out, and sit on my La-Z-Boy on a towel. Seems
to work so far in this life. When in doubt, get wet. Low humidity!
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 00:04:29 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower >>>>> oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not
half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It depends. My guess is that all modern ovens are heavily insulated. If
you have a gas oven, it needs to have a flow of air through it. Without >>air, you cannot have combustion. The gas oven that I grew up with had a >>vent out the front, over the door. There was also a vent that went up >>through the roof. The heat released into the kitchen was pretty intense. >>The combustion of gas also produces a good deal of water vapor. Heat
plus water vapor makes for a hot, unpleasant, kitchen - if you're in the >>tropics. If you live in the cold, dry, North, it could make for a
pleasant, balmy, kitchen. My step-mom has a pretty big gas oven but she >>mostly uses a Ninja Air Fryer for baking - so do I.
We've mainly had electric ovens in Australia. That could be a factor
if they need less venting.
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
On 2025-07-12, gm <gregorymorrow@msn.com> wrote:
Did you ever have one of these...???
Swamp Coolers: The Poor Man’s Air Conditioning
https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/swamp-coolers-the-poor-mans-air-conditioning/
We didn't. Dad got Packards and Cadillacs with real air conditioning. We
only experienced swamp cooling at home. But, I certainly remember swamp coolers hanging off car side windows. Those and those wet bags you hung
off your car radiator to give you cool drinking water.
But I grew up with swamp coolers and have never lived in some rich,
S.O.B. house, full of money, without them. Oligarch! Oligarch! ;)
I think I could afford air conditioning now. Depending upon how much we suffer this year, maybe next year. :)
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11 Jul 2025 23:36:29 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on >>>a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
Polar bear dicks are too expensive for hot dogs. The demand exceeds
the supply.
Frito-Lay knows what's in Cheetos. They probably even know what
the insect, rodent hair, and shit content is. >https://www.fda.gov/food/current-good-manufacturing-practices-cgmps-food-and-dietary-supplements/food-defect-levels-handbook
When I make iced tea, it's just tea and water.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing,
no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
There's gluten in bread, though.
Eggs in quick breads like cornbread help it hold together.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:19:44 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11 Jul 2025 23:36:29 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
Beer and junk food for me. My wife is having corn on the cob, hot dog on >>>a bun, Cheetos and iced tea.
That's not junk food? Hot dogs are made from polar bear dicks and God
knows what's in Cheetos and iced tea.
Polar bear dicks are too expensive for hot dogs. The demand exceeds
the supply.
Yes, even if they'd procreate like rabbits.
Frito-Lay knows what's in Cheetos. They probably even know what
the insect, rodent hair, and shit content is. >https://www.fda.gov/food/current-good-manufacturing-practices-cgmps-food-and-dietary-supplements/food-defect-levels-handbook
I asked AI and it said that in the US, up to 20 maggots are allowed in
100 grams (3.5 ounce) of canned mushrooms.
(I don't know about other countries.)
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing,
no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
I don't have much sense of direction. I turn a corner and I'm lost.
This week my neighbour brought me a tray of wild
chanterelles he'd picked in his very secret mushroom
spot; first crop of the season. Not one maggot.
I fried them in butter with fresh asparagus and little
cubes of bacon, + cream + parsley (fresh)+ a glug of
white wine, served on pasta.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs,
ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
On 2025-07-12, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
If I'm telling my wife directions, she looks
at me funny if I give her a cardinal.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:27:41 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
There's gluten in bread, though.
Yes, it won't be the same.
Eggs in quick breads like cornbread help it hold together.
My wife didn't want eggs in the corn bread, because it makes it
"cakey".
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what
we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
On 7/12/2025 10:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy HamiltonMy father was like that. Brilliant in many other ways, but no sense of >direction at all.
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing,
no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
I don't have much sense of direction. I turn a corner and I'm lost.
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what
we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy
tending to matters of Royal state.
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:38 AM:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:27:41 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
There's gluten in bread, though.
Yes, it won't be the same.
Eggs in quick breads like cornbread help it hold together.
My wife didn't want eggs in the corn bread, because it makes it
"cakey".
No. It makes it not as crumbly. Without egg is fine if you don't mind
the bread being a little crumbly. The main thing is oil and super hot >skillet.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 00:04:29 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock, >>>>> dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower >>>>> oil.
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It depends. My guess is that all modern ovens are heavily insulated. If >>you have a gas oven, it needs to have a flow of air through it. Without >>air, you cannot have combustion. The gas oven that I grew up with had a >>vent out the front, over the door. There was also a vent that went up >>through the roof. The heat released into the kitchen was pretty intense. >>The combustion of gas also produces a good deal of water vapor. Heat
plus water vapor makes for a hot, unpleasant, kitchen - if you're in the >>tropics. If you live in the cold, dry, North, it could make for a >>pleasant, balmy, kitchen. My step-mom has a pretty big gas oven but she >>mostly uses a Ninja Air Fryer for baking - so do I.
We've mainly had electric ovens in Australia. That could be a factor
if they need less venting.
Most ovens need some venting, to provide convection and keep the
temperature within even.
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:49:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:38 AM:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:27:41 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know. >>>>>
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
There's gluten in bread, though.
Yes, it won't be the same.
Eggs in quick breads like cornbread help it hold together.
My wife didn't want eggs in the corn bread, because it makes it
"cakey".
No. It makes it not as crumbly. Without egg is fine if you don't mind
the bread being a little crumbly. The main thing is oil and super hot
skillet.
I'll try it with egg next time. It was a bit uneventful and indeed
crumbly, but then it only had to replace bread. You don't eat bread as
a main act either.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:53:00 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what
we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy
tending to matters of Royal state.
Speaking of missing people, where's the local ditz?
On 7/12/2025 8:03 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,Today, I was very, glad that this kitchen faces north - the temperature
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
here was 29-30 C and the south-facing part of the house was very hot,
even with the windows, blinds and curtains closed.
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 1:26 PM:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:49:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:38 AM:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:27:41 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 08:42:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't >>>>>>>> require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know. >>>>>>
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
There's gluten in bread, though.
Yes, it won't be the same.
Eggs in quick breads like cornbread help it hold together.
My wife didn't want eggs in the corn bread, because it makes it
"cakey".
No. It makes it not as crumbly. Without egg is fine if you don't mind
the bread being a little crumbly. The main thing is oil and super hot
skillet.
I'll try it with egg next time. It was a bit uneventful and indeed
crumbly, but then it only had to replace bread. You don't eat bread as
a main act either.
For most people, cornbread isn't a main meal, but just accompanies other >items, such as vegetables and dead animal parts.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:19:44 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
Frito-Lay knows what's in Cheetos. They probably even know what
the insect, rodent hair, and shit content is.
https://www.fda.gov/food/current-good-manufacturing-practices-cgmps-food-and-dietary-supplements/food-defect-levels-handbook
I asked AI and it said that in the US, up to 20 maggots are allowed in
100 grams (3.5 ounce) of canned mushrooms.
(I don't know about other countries.)
When I make iced tea, it's just tea and water.
I guess that's close to the original idea.
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
On 2025-07-12 1:24 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:45:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I smelted tungsten carbide. I poured TNT and other stuff into bombs,
ammunition and mines for the Vietnam war effort.
I don't regret a minute of it. I'm proud that I did it.
Why?
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
I hate to break it to you but during WW I and II when the men were
overseas fighting women manned the factories and they were making the
bombs and other military gear.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:56:30 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 6:31 PM, Bruce wrote:
Certainly old ovens were. On the north, the heat would be welcome in
winter.
Mine is 6 years old and really don't notice, even on hot day, but I also
have central AC that takes care of it. There is venting though.
Maybe it's to do with the age of the ovens then. Michael's could be
from just after the dinosaurs disappeared, for instance.
On 2025-07-12, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
If I'm telling my wife directions, she looks
at me funny if I give her a cardinal.
In article <104t9eq$22hvm$4@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
@invalid.com says...
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 00:04:29 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:54:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:38:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:07:40 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/11/2025 8:37 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Oh, that sounds good, mmmmmmm haddock! I'm dreading that oven.
We had mashed potatoes, carrots, and sugar snap peas, with haddock,
What's appearing on your menu tonight? Home cooking
or eating out or at someone else's house?
dusted with seasoned flour and sauteed in half butter, half sunflower >> >>>>> oil.
qQick, simple and tasty - it was too hot to do much cooking.
Not the actual cooking just turning that dial knowing my kitchen
will feel like a blast furnace for over an hour.
Americans here often say that their oven heats up their kitchen if not >> >>> half their house. I've never noticed much heat coming of an oven
unless I stand almost against it. Maybe we're talking about different
appliances.
It depends. My guess is that all modern ovens are heavily insulated. If
you have a gas oven, it needs to have a flow of air through it. Without
air, you cannot have combustion. The gas oven that I grew up with had a
vent out the front, over the door. There was also a vent that went up
through the roof. The heat released into the kitchen was pretty intense. >> >>The combustion of gas also produces a good deal of water vapor. Heat
plus water vapor makes for a hot, unpleasant, kitchen - if you're in the >> >>tropics. If you live in the cold, dry, North, it could make for a
pleasant, balmy, kitchen. My step-mom has a pretty big gas oven but she
mostly uses a Ninja Air Fryer for baking - so do I.
We've mainly had electric ovens in Australia. That could be a factor
if they need less venting.
Most ovens need some venting, to provide convection and keep the
temperature within even.
Fan ovens have been around for decades.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:53:00 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what
we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy
tending to matters of Royal state.
Speaking of missing people, where's the local ditz?
On 7/12/2025 9:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
It's man's work. You wouldn't understand.
I hate to break it to you but during WW I and II when the men were
overseas fighting women manned the factories and they were making the
bombs and other military gear.
After WWII, the women were "expected" to give up their factory jobs for
the men coming back. I'm sure a number of women did not appreciate that.
I enjoy watching re-runs of the 1950-1967 CBS "What's My Line" game
show. The producers liked to put on women with unusual jobs, in attempt
to throw the panel. I think the main thing they accomplished over the
years was opening up the public consideration to women working what were traditionally male-only jobs.
On 2025-07-12, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
If I'm telling my wife directions, she looks
at me funny if I give her a cardinal.
Both my husband and I know cardinal directions.
On 7/12/2025 5:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:19:44 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
Frito-Lay knows what's in Cheetos. They probably even know what
the insect, rodent hair, and shit content is.
https://www.fda.gov/food/current-good-manufacturing-practices-cgmps-food-and-dietary-supplements/food-defect-levels-handbook
I asked AI and it said that in the US, up to 20 maggots are allowed in
100 grams (3.5 ounce) of canned mushrooms.
(I don't know about other countries.)
That's mildly horrifying. I'm going to blindly hope that there aren't maggots in canned corn, which is about the only "vegetable" that I buy
in cans.
On 7/12/2025 5:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:19:44 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
Frito-Lay knows what's in Cheetos. They probably even know what
the insect, rodent hair, and shit content is.
https://www.fda.gov/food/current-good-manufacturing-practices-cgmps-food-and-dietary-supplements/food-defect-levels-handbook
I asked AI and it said that in the US, up to 20 maggots are allowed in
100 grams (3.5 ounce) of canned mushrooms.
(I don't know about other countries.)
That's mildly horrifying. I'm going to blindly hope that there aren't >maggots in canned corn, which is about the only "vegetable" that I buy
in cans.
On 2025-07-12 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
If I'm telling my wife directions, she looks
at me funny if I give her a cardinal.
Both my husband and I know cardinal directions.
How are you with map reading?
Back in 2001 my wife and I rented a car and wandered around Europe. She
was supposed to help navigate. I learned to question every one of her instructions.
On 7/11/2025 10:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
Does the sun still rise in the east and set in the west Down Under? If
not, I can't help you, LOL.
Here's an interesting map I found. It overlays Australia on top of
North America, to give an idea of your typical climate, in relation to ours.
https://postimg.cc/k65CLTTP
I'm somewhere to the far north-east of Melbourne.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:53:00 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what >>>> we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy >>>tending to matters of Royal state.
Speaking of missing people, where's the local ditz?
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 21:43:59 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:10:41 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 10:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy HamiltonMy father was like that. Brilliant in many other ways, but no sense of >>>> direction at all.
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give >>>>>>>>> it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but >>>>>>>>> I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens >>>>>>> face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing,
no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
I don't have much sense of direction. I turn a corner and I'm lost.
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
How were you with analytic geometry? Did the Cartesian coordinates
give you much trouble?
I sort of refused to do any of the sciences.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:10:41 +0100, S Viemeister >><firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 10:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy HamiltonMy father was like that. Brilliant in many other ways, but no sense of >>>direction at all.
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens >>>>>> face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing,
no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
I don't have much sense of direction. I turn a corner and I'm lost.
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
How were you with analytic geometry? Did the Cartesian coordinates
give you much trouble?
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 5:28 PM:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 21:43:59 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:10:41 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 10:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy HamiltonMy father was like that. Brilliant in many other ways, but no sense of >>>>> direction at all.
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give >>>>>>>>>> it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but >>>>>>>>>> I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I >>>>>>>>>> keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens >>>>>>>> face. Is that bad?
It's not bad. I can't imagine not knowing which way I'm facing, >>>>>>> no matter where I am. It's just part of my sense of direction.
I don't have much sense of direction. I turn a corner and I'm lost. >>>>>>
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
How were you with analytic geometry? Did the Cartesian coordinates
give you much trouble?
I sort of refused to do any of the sciences.
It shows.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture: <https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast tomorrow.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 6:07:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netThat looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
That has nothing to do with it. I spend a lot of time behind my
computer but I have no idea in which direction I'm facing right now.
On 7/12/2025 9:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
I hate to break it to you but during WW I and II when the men were
overseas fighting women manned the factories and they were making the
bombs and other military gear.
After WWII, the women were "expected" to give up their factory jobs for
the men coming back. I'm sure a number of women did not appreciate that.
I enjoy watching re-runs of the 1950-1967 CBS "What's My Line" game
show. The producers liked to put on women with unusual jobs, in attempt
to throw the panel. I think the main thing they accomplished over the
years was opening up the public consideration to women working what were traditionally male-only jobs.
How are you with map reading?
Back in 2001 my wife and I rented a car and wandered around Europe. She
was supposed to help navigate. I learned to question every one of her instructions. She might tell me that I have a right turn coming up. I
would question here whether it was right or left and at least half the
time she changed it.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 6:07:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netThat looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote on 7/12/2025 7:12 PM:
That looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
Yeah, he needs an iron skillet. Thin metal pans don't hold enough heat
to cook a pone of cornbread.
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 00:12:39 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 6:07:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>That looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
Yes, I greased the pan. After it had cooled down some more, it came
out without a problem. I didn't add an egg because my wife said that
would make it cakey. No kneading is what I liked about it. Just
mixing, very simple.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
I followed an AI recipe that said to bake it at 200C/392F for 20-25
minutes.
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I used
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
On 2025-07-12, gm <gregorymorrow@msn.com> wrote:
Did you ever have one of these...???
Swamp Coolers: The Poor Man’s Air Conditioning
https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/swamp-coolers-the-poor-mans-air-conditioning/
We didn't. Dad got Packards and Cadillacs with real air conditioning. We
only experienced swamp cooling at home. But, I certainly remember swamp coolers hanging off car side windows. Those and those wet bags you hung
off your car radiator to give you cool drinking water.
But I grew up with swamp coolers and have never lived in some rich,
S.O.B. house, full of money, without them. Oligarch! Oligarch! ;)
I think I could afford air conditioning now. Depending upon how much we suffer this year, maybe next year. :)
leo
My in-laws in CA had a swamp cooler. It looked just like a window AC
unit. It acted like a conventional AC. I suppose if you listened
carefully, you'd notice there was no compressor noise. It also
humidified the air which was probably a welcome feature. I think they
have since switched to a plain old regular AC - I don't know why.
On 7/12/2025 9:46 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
No, I bring a shaman to check out the house for the proper spirits.
Gotta have a good mojo.
It would be interesting to see the box/bag of your cornmeal.
But truly, an egg will not make it cakey. Egg acts like a
binder and does keep it from being crumbly.
If I have buttermilk, I definitely use it in my cornbread.
But regular milk works great as well. Buttermilk does have
a twang to it, more pronounced than yogurt. Lemon juice or
vinegar, about a teaspoon -/+, can be added to regular milk,
let it sit a few minutes for a buttermilk substitute.
Neither one imparts a sour, twangy taste to the finished
bread.
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I used
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:49:56 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 8:03 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,Today, I was very glad that this kitchen faces north - the temperature
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
here was 29-30 C and the south-facing part of the house was very hot,
even with the windows, blinds and curtains closed.
I guess 29-30C is hot in the UK :)
On 7/12/2025 9:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:49:56 +0100, S ViemeisterI start to wilt at 25C.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 8:03 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,Today, I was very glad that this kitchen faces north - the temperature
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be >>>>>> a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens
face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
here was 29-30 C and the south-facing part of the house was very hot,
even with the windows, blinds and curtains closed.
I guess 29-30C is hot in the UK :)
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda, >(rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
chemical reaction.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:42:24 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda,
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
(rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
chemical reaction.
My recipe called for corn flour, polenta, buttermilk, baking powder,
baking soda, salt and oil. I used a neutral olive oil.
On 7/13/2025 7:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:42:24 +0100, S ViemeisterIn that case, if you want to use plain milk, do as Joan suggests, and
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda,
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
(rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
chemical reaction.
My recipe called for corn flour, polenta, buttermilk, baking powder,
baking soda, salt and oil. I used a neutral olive oil.
add an acid like lemon or vinegar.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:42:24 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda,
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
(rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
chemical reaction.
My recipe called for corn flour, polenta, buttermilk, baking powder,
baking soda, salt and oil. I used a neutral olive oil.
On 2025-07-12 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure whether my wife does.
If I'm telling my wife directions, she looks
at me funny if I give her a cardinal.
Both my husband and I know cardinal directions.
How are you with map reading?
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 21:43:18 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:53:00 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a >>>>>>> neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what >>>>> we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy >>>>tending to matters of Royal state.
Speaking of missing people, where's the local ditz?
Non-unique identifier requires struct or union pointer.
I can't think of any ditz here who comes anywhere close to the ditz I
meant :)
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 00:12:39 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 6:07:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netThat looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
Yes, I greased the pan. After it had cooled down some more, it came
out without a problem. I didn't add an egg because my wife said that
would make it cakey. No kneading is what I liked about it. Just
mixing, very simple.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
I followed an AI recipe that said to bake it at 200C/392F for 20-25
minutes.
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread?
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances.
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 21:43:18 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton >><chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 12:53:00 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/12/2025 4:43 AM:
On 12 Jul 2025 09:39:10 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a >>>>>>>> neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's >>>>>>>> no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn >>>>>>> muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
Gone for 4 days, is that correct? How are we now supposed to know what >>>>>> we're allowed to say and what not? And who we have to killfile?
Her Majesty needs to appoint a minister to fill in when she is busy >>>>>tending to matters of Royal state.
Speaking of missing people, where's the local ditz?
Non-unique identifier requires struct or union pointer.
I can't think of any ditz here who comes anywhere close to the ditz I
meant :)
Perhaps my ditz standard is lower than yours, encompassing more
ditzes.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:37:09 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 9:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:49:56 +0100, S ViemeisterI start to wilt at 25C.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 8:03 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,Today, I was very glad that this kitchen faces north - the temperature >>>> here was 29-30 C and the south-facing part of the house was very hot,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give
it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but
I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens >>>>>> face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
even with the windows, blinds and curtains closed.
I guess 29-30C is hot in the UK :)
25C is my favourite temperature. If it's natural, not from airco.
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 00:12:39 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 6:07:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 03:45:13 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netThat looks like it was made in a round cake pan. Did you
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
In the end, it fell out. We had to cool it off more first. It was a
low round shape, as you can see from the picture:
<https://freeimage.host/i/FGp49lR>
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
grease the pan and why didn't you add an egg? Cornbread
here in the USA is not bread that is kneaded, the batter
is somewhat like gravy/cake batter. It will pour easily
out the vessel it was made in.
Yes, I greased the pan. After it had cooled down some more, it came
out without a problem. I didn't add an egg because my wife said that
would make it cakey. No kneading is what I liked about it. Just
mixing, very simple.
If baked in a cast iron skillet, greasing it and getting
it to almost the smoking point will pretty much ensure
it will slide out of the pan with no coaxing.
I followed an AI recipe that said to bake it at 200C/392F for 20-25
minutes.
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread?
It's common. Generally when using sodium bicarbonate as the
leavener. Baking powder provides its own acid, so sweet milk
can be used.
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I never have. Of course, most of the roads here are laid out
on a grid, so the road is likely to run either east-west or
north-south. The directions in which the rooms face can be
derived from that information.
We have the occasional road that follows an old Indian trail,
river, or cowpath. And modern subdivisions have winding roads
to slow traffic and give the illusion of natural growth.
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances.
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:37:09 +0100, S Viemeister >><firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 9:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:49:56 +0100, S ViemeisterI start to wilt at 25C.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 8:03 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <104sh3a$1u5qf$1@dont-email.me>,Today, I was very glad that this kitchen faces north - the temperature >>>>> here was 29-30 C and the south-facing part of the house was very hot, >>>>> even with the windows, blinds and curtains closed.
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On 12 Jul 2025 02:21:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-11, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
If my kitchen didn't face due west, I probably wouldn't give >>>>>>>>> it a thought. A large window over the sink doesn't help, but >>>>>>>>> I do have an excellent room darkening shade over it which I
keep pulled down from about 1:00 p.m. until just dark.
My kitchen faces south. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! There ought'a be
a law!
I don't know which direction our kitchen or any of my past kitchens >>>>>>> face. Is that bad?
No, just astonishing, and confirms the impression you
don't spend much time in kitchens or making food.
Whenever we've bought property, direction aspect is an
important factor. I take a compass with me to check.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
I guess 29-30C is hot in the UK :)
25C is my favourite temperature. If it's natural, not from airco.
I prefer somewhere around 21 C, and set my airco accordingly.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
In article <104uvu4$2dmas$2@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
says...
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances.
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
No. I mean the kitchen is on the north side of the
house. The view from the kitchen windows is to the
North. The north is the coolest/ shadiest side of the
house.
The stove is on an interior wall furthest from the
windows.
In article <104v35g$2eder$4@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I always take binoculars too; useful for checking the
north and west walls and roof for weather damage and moss.
Bruce, is your old place still for sale, waiting for a
buyer?
In article <104v35g$2eder$4@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I always take binoculars too; useful for checking the
north and west walls and roof for weather damage and moss.
In the UK, the warmest side of the house would be my favourite.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 11:13:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <104uvu4$2dmas$2@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
says...
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances. >>
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
No. I mean the kitchen is on the north side of the
house. The view from the kitchen windows is to the
North. The north is the coolest/ shadiest side of the
house.
The stove is on an interior wall furthest from the
windows.
In the UK, the warmest side of the house would be my favourite.
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:51:15 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it.
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I never have. Of course, most of the roads here are laid out
on a grid, so the road is likely to run either east-west or
north-south. The directions in which the rooms face can be
derived from that information.
We have the occasional road that follows an old Indian trail,
river, or cowpath. And modern subdivisions have winding roads
to slow traffic and give the illusion of natural growth.
I start to wilt at 25C.
I guess 29-30C is hot in the UK :)
25C is my favourite temperature. If it's natural, not from airco.
I prefer somewhere around 21 C, and set my airco accordingly.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 11:13:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <104uvu4$2dmas$2@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n
says...
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances. >>>
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
No. I mean the kitchen is on the north side of the
house. The view from the kitchen windows is to the
North. The north is the coolest/ shadiest side of the
house.
The stove is on an interior wall furthest from the
windows.
In the UK, the warmest side of the house would be my favourite.
On 2025-07-13, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 3:03 PM, Janet wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
Janet UK
Never thought about it. I want an efficient layout, decent appliances.
When you say "faces" do you mean the stove?
Given the context (insolation), I would say we mean the window.
Mine faces west, but there's an enclosed porch right outside
it that limits the amount of sun that comes in.
In the traditional way, the sink is at the window. We can
stand there and watch the wildlife in the backyard. Last
night we saw three rabbits. Last week there was a female
mallard giving me the stinkeye. (Or maybe they just always
look angry.)
In article <104vv4o$2mtn7$5@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
I use a compass, Ordnance Survey maps, and binoculars
when house hunting.
We routinely take a compass on walks. The kind of walks
where there is no road or building or other person in view
and quite often, no phone signal. Knowing how to use a
compass and a map and read landscape are basic survival
skills here.
If you were a cook, you'd know why not to have the
kitchen in the warmest part of the house.
In article <10501bt$2nh13$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 11:13:32 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
No. I mean the kitchen is on the north side of the
house. The view from the kitchen windows is to the
North. The north is the coolest/ shadiest side of the
house.
The stove is on an interior wall furthest from the
windows.
In the UK, the warmest side of the house would be my favourite.
If you were a cook, you'd know why not to have the
kitchen in the warmest part of the house.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 3:17:39 +0000, dsi1 wrote:
My aunt in Amarillo had a swamp cooler and it definitely
My in-laws in CA had a swamp cooler. It looked just like a window AC
unit. It acted like a conventional AC. I suppose if you listened
carefully, you'd notice there was no compressor noise. It also
humidified the air which was probably a welcome feature. I think they
have since switched to a plain old regular AC - I don't know why.
put out some COLD air. Also, it helped with adding
some humidity in that dry as a bone area.
I honestly don't remember if cousins in Albuquerque
had a swamp cooler or window or central air.
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 3:53:06 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 3:17:39 +0000, dsi1 wrote:
My aunt in Amarillo had a swamp cooler and it definitely
My in-laws in CA had a swamp cooler. It looked just like a window AC
unit. It acted like a conventional AC. I suppose if you listened
carefully, you'd notice there was no compressor noise. It also
humidified the air which was probably a welcome feature. I think they
have since switched to a plain old regular AC - I don't know why.
put out some COLD air. Also, it helped with adding
some humidity in that dry as a bone area.
I honestly don't remember if cousins in Albuquerque
had a swamp cooler or window or central air.
A swamp cooler won't work where I live which is pretty much the wettest
spot on the island of Oahu. If I lived around Las Vegas, a swamp cooler
would be just great. OTOH, a swamp cooler won't help if the electricity
goes down. Luckily, I don't live in Vegas.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:13:44 +0000, Bruce wrote:
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
My brother-in-laws are very good that directions. I've always admired
that. My guess is that they have a secret gland hidden somewhere that
senses the magnetic lines of force of the earth. I have no such gland
but that's not a problem. I don't need to know what direction is what.
On these islands all we have to know is which way is the ocean.
--
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:13:44 +0000, Bruce wrote:
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
My brother-in-laws are very good that directions. I've always admired
that. My guess is that they have a secret gland hidden somewhere that
senses the magnetic lines of force of the earth. I have no such gland
but that's not a problem. I don't need to know what direction is what.
On these islands all we have to know is which way is the ocean.
On 2025-07-13 5:38 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:13:44 +0000, Bruce wrote:
We have less mail pigeon DNA, I guess.
My brother-in-laws are very good that directions. I've always admired
that. My guess is that they have a secret gland hidden somewhere that
senses the magnetic lines of force of the earth. I have no such gland
but that's not a problem. I don't need to know what direction is what.
On these islands all we have to know is which way is the ocean.
Major water can be a major help for orientation, but it can also be
source of confusion. I grew up just west of Toronto and we were less
than a mile from Lake Ontario. It was a fun place to hang out when I was
a kid. The lake was always to the south. Going to Toronto we could see
the lake to the south much of the time. The lake was south. When I was a
teen we moved to St.Catharines which is across the lake from Ontario.
Then the lake was to the north. It was confusing enough to me and my
brothers but it was especially hard for my mother who had grown up in
Toronto and she had more than 40 years of the lake being to the south.
Years later we moved out here to Hooterville
On 7/13/2025 2:40 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:I have decided that I prefer the flavor of chicken fat to pork.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:42:24 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda, >>>> (rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it >>>>> was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
chemical reaction.
My recipe called for corn flour, polenta, buttermilk, baking powder,
baking soda, salt and oil. I used a neutral olive oil.
Olive oil should be ok, but I bet plain lard works better.
--Bryan
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
On 7/12/2025 5:39 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
It's a shame Jill's missing this, Bruce is posting about cooking,
cornbread none the less ;)
The last post I remember, she mentioned being ill at the hospital and
forcing herself to eat something because she needed to eat. That was
almost a week ago, I hope that she's OK.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 22:10:02 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 5:39 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, eggs and sugar would be nice. But if you want to use it as a
neutral bread replacement, isn't it better to leave them out? There's
no sugar or eggs in our bread either.
I don't know. I'm not a pro. Skillet cornbread and blueberry corn
muffins are all I do.
This will be my last post for tonight, and WHERE'S JILL?!
It's a shame Jill's missing this, Bruce is posting about cooking,
cornbread none the less ;)
:) I think I'm being assimilated!
The last post I remember, she mentioned being ill at the hospital and
forcing herself to eat something because she needed to eat. That was
almost a week ago, I hope that she's OK.
Ed was able to post here from hospital, but maybe Jill doesn't have
Ed's computer skillz.
Major water can be a major help for orientation, but it can also be
source of confusion. I grew up just west of Toronto and we were less
than a mile from Lake Ontario. It was a fun place to hang out when I was
a kid. The lake was always to the south. Going to Toronto we could see
the lake to the south much of the time. The lake was south. When I was a
teen we moved to St.Catharines which is across the lake from Ontario.
Then the lake was to the north. It was confusing enough to me and my
brothers but it was especially hard for my mother who had grown up in
Toronto and she had more than 40 years of the lake being to the south.
Years later we moved out here to Hooterville, right in the middle of
the peninsula and basically equidistant to Lakes Erie and Ontario.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 22:43:32 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
Major water can be a major help for orientation, but it can also be
source of confusion. I grew up just west of Toronto and we were less
than a mile from Lake Ontario. It was a fun place to hang out when I was
a kid. The lake was always to the south. Going to Toronto we could see
the lake to the south much of the time. The lake was south.
When I was a
teen we moved to St.Catharines which is across the lake from Ontario.
Then the lake was to the north. It was confusing enough to me and my
brothers but it was especially hard for my mother who had grown up in
Toronto and she had more than 40 years of the lake being to the south.
My in-laws in CA had a swamp cooler. It looked just like a window AC
unit. It acted like a conventional AC. I suppose if you listened
carefully, you'd notice there was no compressor noise. It also
humidified the air which was probably a welcome feature. I think they
have since switched to a plain old regular AC - I don't know why.
But...I grew up with swamp cooling in my homes.
Last night was brutal. The outside low only hit 71F. That makes me
think more fondly about A/C. I don't expect much more of that, this
Summer. It's hard to part with a method that you've used forever.
Old age sucks!
On 2025-07-14 8:35 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
But...I grew up with swamp cooling in my homes.
Last night was brutal. The outside low only hit 71F. That makes me
think more fondly about A/C. I don't expect much more of that, this
Summer. It's hard to part with a method that you've used forever.
Old age sucks!
I would think 71 would be low enough to cool things down significantly.
My AC is set for 76.  Normally I would open the windows at night when
it cooled down below that set temperature but today we were hit with the smoke from the wild fires and we have been advised to stay indoors with
AC and an air filter if you have one.
On 2025-07-12, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
As I mentioned, our kitchen faces south. Because of our Earth location,
full Moons always pass in front of the kitchen's bay window, every last
one of them.
I never used to appreciate the view, but I do now.
leo
On 7/14/2025 8:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2025-07-14 8:35 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
But...I grew up with swamp cooling in my homes.
Last night was brutal. The outside low only hit 71F. That makes me
think more fondly about A/C. I don't expect much more of that, this
Summer. It's hard to part with a method that you've used forever.
Old age sucks!
I would think 71 would be low enough to cool things down
significantly. My AC is set for 76.  Normally I would open the
windows at night when it cooled down below that set temperature but
today we were hit with the smoke from the wild fires and we have been
advised to stay indoors with AC and an air filter if you have one.
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the 60's
this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window at
night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler like Leo
if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
I hate to break it to you but during WW I and II when the men were
overseas fighting women manned the factories and they were making the
bombs and other military gear.
On 2025-07-12, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
I like a north-facing kitchen, this kitchen is north
facing and so were the two previous ones.
As I mentioned, our kitchen faces south. Because of our Earth location,
full Moons always pass in front of the kitchen's bay window, every last
one of them.
I never used to appreciate the view, but I do now.
On 2025-07-13, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
Many years later, ask our kids. They liked coming home from school to
mom, not a daycare. Priorities.
I agree. I always was tended to by Mom, not a paid surrogate. They don't
do as well. Look at America, today. This ain't normal. Zeitgeist!
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
In the traditional way, the sink is at the window. We can
stand there and watch the wildlife in the backyard. Last
night we saw three rabbits. Last week there was a female
mallard giving me the stinkeye. (Or maybe they just always
look angry.)
Many years later, ask our kids. They liked coming home from school to
mom, not a daycare. Priorities.
On 2025-07-13, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
Many years later, ask our kids. They liked coming home from school to
mom, not a daycare. Priorities.
I agree. I always was tended to by Mom, not a paid surrogate. They don't
do as well. Look at America, today. This ain't normal. Zeitgeist!
On 2025-07-15, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-13, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
Many years later, ask our kids. They liked coming home from school to
mom, not a daycare. Priorities.
I agree. I always was tended to by Mom, not a paid surrogate. They don't
do as well. Look at America, today. This ain't normal. Zeitgeist!
Some of them do ok. I turned out all right. My mother worked.
My grandmother worked. I worked.
The kids could also come home to dad, especially if mom's able to get
a better job than dad.
And when you say Zeitgeist, I guess you're referring to Trump. You
know, that guy who suddenly doesn't want to release the Epstein files.
One wonders why... Oh well, Zeitgeist!
On 2025-07-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The kids could also come home to dad, especially if mom's able to get
a better job than dad.
I won't argue with that. A kid could come home to a parent.
And when you say Zeitgeist, I guess you're referring to Trump. You
know, that guy who suddenly doesn't want to release the Epstein files.
One wonders why... Oh well, Zeitgeist!
You are from the country closest to Zeitgeist. Don't you know what it
means?
FWIW, I was uncomfortable with his Epstein answer, a couple of
days ago. That won't go away from either side. I want answers, regardless
of who it sinks, or a logical explanation.
On 2025-07-15, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I agree. I always was tended to by Mom, not a paid surrogate. They don't
do as well. Look at America, today. This ain't normal. Zeitgeist!
Some of them do ok. I turned out all right. My mother worked.
My grandmother worked. I worked.
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I never thought to. I lucked out that way. BUT! My driveway is at the
east end of a east-west street. Wind mainly blows from the west. I
accumulate all the garbage, from up the street, during any windstorm.
I have no trees but end up with nine 45 gallon trash bags of leaves in
the Fall. Buyers determining direction is probably a good idea.
Didn't used to bother me. Does now.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 4:36:17 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
So you don't bring a compass when you buy a house? :)
I never thought to. I lucked out that way. BUT! My driveway is at the
east end of a east-west street. Wind mainly blows from the west. I
accumulate all the garbage, from up the street, during any windstorm.
I have no trees but end up with nine 45 gallon trash bags of leaves in
the Fall. Buyers determining direction is probably a good idea.
Didn't used to bother me. Does now.
I used to have a Hyundai that had a compass display on the rear view
mirror.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 19:02:41 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
I used to have a Hyundai that had a compass display on the rear view >>mirror.
Please contact Janet with the details.
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the 60's
this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window at
night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler like
Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window
at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
The people who lived in Florida 100
years ago sure must have been tough!
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window
at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Amazing how humans have adapted to both hot and cold climates. Growing
up in a fairly moderate climate, Rarely saw zero or below or above 85.
I prefer not to adapt to the extremes so AC here is a must for me.
On 2025-07-16, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100
years ago sure must have been tough!
Those are called 'skunk apes'. Up in Ontario
they are called 'Wendago'. Elsewhere Bigfoot,
Yeti &c.
I already told all here about the one we heard
that circled our tent at night on a fishing trip.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:57:44 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2025-07-16, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100
years ago sure must have been tough!
Those are called 'skunk apes'. Up in Ontario
they are called 'Wendago'. Elsewhere Bigfoot,
Yeti &c.
I already told all here about the one we heard
that circled our tent at night on a fishing trip.
When I was in Florida, I heard an alligator moving outside my window.
That was pretty creepy. Checking the window, no alligator was in sight.
It took me a while to realize that it was the water sprinkler making
that noise. Once you realize the illusion, it no longer exists.
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar.
Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window
at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
On 7/13/2025 7:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:42:24 +0100, S ViemeisterIn that case, if you want to use plain milk, do as Joan suggests, and
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/13/2025 2:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Do you add buttermilk to your corn bread? Would it matter if I usedMany recipes calling for buttermilk, also use bicarbonate/baking soda,
normal milk instead? I'd never tried buttermilk before, but to me it
was exactly like plain yogurt, maybe a bit more runny. I couldn't
taste it in the corn bread.
(rather than just baking powder) for the rising effect caused by the
chemical reaction.
My recipe called for corn flour, polenta, buttermilk, baking powder,
baking soda, salt and oil. I used a neutral olive oil.
add an acid like lemon or vinegar.
On 7/11/2025 11:45 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
Jill
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:00:52 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/11/2025 11:45 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Mine is a w.e.l.l. seasoned cast iron skillet and the
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
Jill
bread has pulled away from the sides and will actually
drop out of it if I turn it upside down. That dab of
bacon grease that has been heated to the smoking point
before pouring in the batter greatly assists in the
removal.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:00:52 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/11/2025 11:45 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Mine is a w.e.l.l. seasoned cast iron skillet and the
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But
the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
Jill
bread has pulled away from the sides and will actually
drop out of it if I turn it upside down. That dab of
bacon grease that has been heated to the smoking point
before pouring in the batter greatly assists in the
removal.
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the
window at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a
swamp-cooler like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid. >>>
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
On 7/17/2025 8:12 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:00:52 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/11/2025 11:45 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Mine is a w.e.l.l. seasoned cast iron skillet and the
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But >>>>> the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
Jill
bread has pulled away from the sides and will actually
drop out of it if I turn it upside down. That dab of
bacon grease that has been heated to the smoking point
before pouring in the batter greatly assists in the
removal.
Well, I don't use bacon grease, I use butter added to the cast iron
skillet (I used to use vegetable shortening but not for years) and also butter cut into to the dry ingredients to make the batter. Definitely
not olive oil in the pan or in the cornbread. I have to give Bruce
kudos for making cornbread. I can't imagine it without an egg, however.
But he seems pleased with the results.
Jill
On 2025-07-17, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
I have a griddle on the left half of my stove. Banging the cast iron pan
on it will loosen the cornbread if I think it's necessary. I generally
don't.
It's nice to see you posting again. :)
leo
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar.
Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I
also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet.
Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:59:43 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast
tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar.
Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I
also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet. >>Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
Thank you. And next time I'll add egg, because it was very dry indeed.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote on 7/17/2025 7:12 PM:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:00:52 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/11/2025 11:45 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:Mine is a w.e.l.l. seasoned cast iron skillet and the
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 2:27:50 +0000, Bruce wrote:
What did you bake your cornbread in? Mine will just
Inspired by RFC, I just baked my first corn bread ever. It doesn't
want to come out of the mold, so we're letting it cool off more. But >>>>> the point is I didn't notice the kitchen getting much hotter during
baking.
flop right out of the cast iron skillet if I want to
dump it out.
I don't know about you but I do have to cool my cornbread before it
flops right out of the skillet. :)
Jill
bread has pulled away from the sides and will actually
drop out of it if I turn it upside down. That dab of
bacon grease that has been heated to the smoking point
before pouring in the batter greatly assists in the
removal.
For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it
with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
Jill McQuown wrote on 7/17/2025 6:12 PM:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the >>>>> 60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the
window at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a
swamp-cooler like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid. >>>>
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without AC Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run
around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
It's amazing that your Majesty survived that period!
Everyone is so glad you did (except maybe gm)
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 3:07:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:59:43 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I
should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I >>>also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet. >>>Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
Thank you. And next time I'll add egg, because it was very dry indeed.
Very dry is perfectly normal for cornbread. The picture looks more like
a corn cake rather than cornbread i.e., very finely textured. You could
try experimenting with more flour to cornmeal and adding more oil as
well as egg. Eating cornbread with soup or slathering it with butter is
a common practice in the US.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXDGrkY3Ynsdst5BA
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 03:53:19 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 3:07:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:59:43 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know.
I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I >>>>also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet. >>>>Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
Thank you. And next time I'll add egg, because it was very dry indeed.
Very dry is perfectly normal for cornbread. The picture looks more like
a corn cake rather than cornbread i.e., very finely textured. You could
try experimenting with more flour to cornmeal and adding more oil as
well as egg. Eating cornbread with soup or slathering it with butter is
a common practice in the US.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXDGrkY3Ynsdst5BA
I hadn't added any (wheat) flour because I wanted to keep it gluten
free. I could add more oil, because even though it was olive oil, it
didn't come through in the flavour at all. I guess it was a neutral
olive oil.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 7:30:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 03:53:19 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 3:07:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:59:43 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I >>>>>also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet. >>>>>Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't
require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know. >>>>>
Thank you. And next time I'll add egg, because it was very dry indeed.
Very dry is perfectly normal for cornbread. The picture looks more like
a corn cake rather than cornbread i.e., very finely textured. You could >>>try experimenting with more flour to cornmeal and adding more oil as
well as egg. Eating cornbread with soup or slathering it with butter is
a common practice in the US.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXDGrkY3Ynsdst5BA
A non-dry cornbread is a pretty daunting task. I cooked up some salmon
the other day with olive oyle. I try to stay away from olive oyle but
that's what my step-mom had. That's Europeans for you.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFZ65rpg8c7HjkKR8
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window
at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:33:06 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 7:30:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 03:53:19 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 3:07:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:59:43 -0400, Jill McQuownVery dry is perfectly normal for cornbread. The picture looks more like >>>>a corn cake rather than cornbread i.e., very finely textured. You could >>>>try experimenting with more flour to cornmeal and adding more oil as >>>>well as egg. Eating cornbread with soup or slathering it with butter is >>>>a common practice in the US.
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/12/2025 4:42 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2025-07-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:I add egg to my cornbread, it makes it turn out so much more moist. I >>>>>>also add a little bit of sugar, but not enough to make it taste sweet. >>>>>>Bruce actually made a nice looking loaf of cornbread! Kudos!
I hadn't added any sugar or eggs. It tasted ok, but almost as if I >>>>>>>> should have added sugar to make it sweet. I like that it didn't >>>>>>>> require any kneading, just mixing. We'll have the rest with breakfast >>>>>>>> tomorrow.
I add one egg and sugar. Many, in the American South, don't add sugar. >>>>>>> Extra vegetable oil may make an egg unnecessary. I will never know. >>>>>>
Thank you. And next time I'll add egg, because it was very dry indeed. >>>>
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KXDGrkY3Ynsdst5BA
A non-dry cornbread is a pretty daunting task. I cooked up some salmon
the other day with olive oyle. I try to stay away from olive oyle but >>that's what my step-mom had. That's Europeans for you.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFZ65rpg8c7HjkKR8
Looks good. What do you have against olive oil?
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 8:39:08 +0000, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:33:06 +0000, dsi100@yahoo.com (dsi1) wrote:
A non-dry cornbread is a pretty daunting task. I cooked up some salmon >>>the other day with olive oyle. I try to stay away from olive oyle but >>>that's what my step-mom had. That's Europeans for you.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFZ65rpg8c7HjkKR8
Looks good. What do you have against olive oil?
It's not something I grew up with. Most Americans didn't use olive oil
back in the old days - unless they were Italian-Americans. Olive oil
became popular in 70's America. These days, even the Chinese are
starting to use olive oil. I don't care for the taste of the stuff.
OTOH, I couldn't detect the taste of the oil on the salmon.
Dinner tonight was tantan ramen with bulgogi beef. The beef was already
dead when I got to it. I had nothing to do with its demise.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uoNxecZnYwZrsneR9
For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it
with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
On 7/18/2025 1:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it >>> with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
; Using olive oil (I read
that in another post), even a mild olive oil, is not recommended for cornbread.
Damn, now I want to bake a skillet of cornbread. ;)
Jill
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction
Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty. They idea of animals having to do anything for
humans is seen by them as a form of abuse. Hell, vegans are opposed to honey because it exploits bee labour. It doesn't seem to help them to
deal with the fact that apiaries are just helping bees to do what they
have a natural drive to do, so go out to gather nectar and turn it into deliciously sweet insect vomit.
On 7/18/2025 1:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it >>> with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
On 7/18/2025 9:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:Yeah, well I'm not going to go there. Vegans are crazy people.
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction
Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty. They idea of animals having to do anything for
humans is seen by them as a form of abuse. Hell, vegans are opposed to
honey because it exploits bee labour. It doesn't seem to help them to
deal with the fact that apiaries are just helping bees to do what they
have a natural drive to do, so go out to gather nectar and turn it into
deliciously sweet insect vomit.
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run
around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting
for the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People
didn't run around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual
dress required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
I'm sure one could adapt, but I've been in Florida July weather, and I'd rather not, LOL. It's been high 80's and humid here lately, but today
is down to 78, and it almost feels cold now in comparison.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>>LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Point made.
<room for a dad joke by Ed>
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>>LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/18/2025 1:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it >>>> with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run
around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with
bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>> cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough! >>>
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for >>> the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run >>> around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
I used to wear t-shirts to the office. Of course, they were in good
repair.
https://www.amazon.com/GAYHAY-T-Shirts-Women-Sleeve-Vacation/dp/B0DS271TDL/
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>>cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:Janet will possibly concur that for some years in the UK,
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction >>>>>> Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of
milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!)Â Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
Jill
On 2025-07-18 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>>I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with >>> bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
I am wondering if it is a literate label for a welcoming of an important >person or if his spell checker objected to "event".
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>>> cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough! >>>
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for >>> the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run >>> around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
I used to wear t-shirts to the office. Of course, they were in good
repair.
https://www.amazon.com/GAYHAY-T-Shirts-Women-Sleeve-Vacation/dp/B0DS271TDL/
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/18/2025 1:28 AM, Bruce wrote:I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it >>>>> with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
On 7/18/2025 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:I wear jeans and tops to the office, not t-shirts but similar cotton
On 7/17/2025 7:12 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been
tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I >>>> dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even
accounting for
the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't
run
around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
Jill
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
I used to wear t-shirts to the office. Of course, they were in good
repair.
https://www.amazon.com/GAYHAY-T-Shirts-Women-Sleeve-Vacation/dp/B0DS271TDL/ >>
tops to what you show in that link. Not all t-shirts are ratty or old.
Michael was talking about the temperatures in Florida 100 years go. He
needs to look up the type of clothing both men and women wore in 1915 if
he wants to talk about hot and uncomfortable attire.
Jill
The word "advent" means the arrival or coming of something important,
often associated with a significant event or the beginning of a new period.
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/18/2025 1:28 AM, Bruce wrote:I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic. >>For cornbread, bacon grease or lard is a MUST ingredient. You can do it >>>>> with any oil, but you'll notice the difference.
I won't notice the difference because I'll make it without killing an
animal first.
bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
"Advent, in Christian tradition, is the period of preparation for the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth (Christmas) and also anticipates his second coming. "
These days, it's more likely to be people gathering to kiss trump's ass.
Trump is the closest thing they can find to jeabus, who has been missing
for 2000 years.
Exactly. Like 2025 marked the advent of Donald Trump as the first United States dictator.
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>>> cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
On 2025-07-18 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction
Clinic.
I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made with >>> bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
I am wondering if it is a literate label for a welcoming of an important person or if his spell checker objected to "event".
On 2025-07-18, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>>>> cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
They don't let male calves grow up into old bulls unless they're
going to use them for breeding. Why feed a bunch of animals just
to turn them into dog food?
On 7/18/2025 5:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2025-07-18 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction
Clinic.
I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made
with
bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
Sorry, "Event" is what I should have typed. It might have been a car meet.
I am wondering if it is a literate label for a welcoming of an
important person or if his spell checker objected to "event".
The spell check in my brain failed, I keep that feature turned off.
On 7/18/2025 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:I wear jeans and tops to the office, not t-shirts but similar cotton
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
I used to wear t-shirts to the office. Of course, they were in good
repair.
https://www.amazon.com/GAYHAY-T-Shirts-Women-Sleeve-Vacation/dp/B0DS271TDL/ >>
tops to what you show in that link. Not all t-shirts are ratty or old.
Michael was talking about the temperatures in Florida 100 years go. He needs to look up the type of clothing both men and women wore in 1915 if
he wants to talk about hot and uncomfortable attire.
On 2025-07-19 4:57 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2025-07-18 5:41 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction >>>>>> Clinic.
I have a vegetarian friend who ate some of the breakfast gravy made
with
bacon grease, which was provided at an advent.
What is "an advent"?
Sorry, "Event" is what I should have typed. It might have been a car
meet.
I am wondering if it is a literate label for a welcoming of an
important person or if his spell checker objected to "event".
The spell check in my brain failed, I keep that feature turned off.
I don't throw stones about typos. Shit happens and I make lots of them. Sometimes I am thinking one thing and my brain translates it to
something similar. I am starting to blame a lot of them on Thunderbird updates. The newer versions have some strange behaviours. Sometimes I am typing along merrily and my cursor jumps to another line and I may type
in a word or two before I realize it. Sometimes there is a double jump
so I catch one and correct it but I do notice the other.
On 7/18/2025 6:00 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
Michael was talking about the temperatures in Florida 100 years go.
He needs to look up the type of clothing both men and women wore in
1915 if he wants to talk about hot and uncomfortable attire.
Earlier, I came across a short video (fewer than 10 minutes) from "This
Old House". It was actually rather informative, about how people in the Victorian era people kept cool before air conditioning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaL4ab3zUeU
On 2025-07-19, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
The word "advent" means the arrival or coming of something important,
often associated with a significant event or the beginning of a new
period. In a religious context, particularly within Christianity, Advent
refers to the period of preparation before Christmas, symbolizing the
coming of Christ.
I used the word, 25 years ago, at the advent of the 21st Century. The
advent of the personal computer has made society what it is, today.
The advent of the Mustang gave God a horse and Ford, a car. The advent
of my demise will stun the World and produce chaos.
So, that's "advent". Add "ure" to the end and have fun!
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
The word "advent" means the arrival or coming of something important,
often associated with a significant event or the beginning of a new
period. In a religious context, particularly within Christianity, Advent refers to the period of preparation before Christmas, symbolizing the
coming of Christ.
I did wear slacks out to dinner on a trip up north.
On 2025-07-18, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
I never go out wearing just a t-shirt, unless I'm home or in my back
yard. I think people wearing old t-shirts in public look ratty, but
that's just my opinion.
You need a wife-beater of a color different than white. I wear them all summer. I do my best to live up to rfc expectations.
Oh, and shorts!Today, I wore a "vintage 80's" Salem Cigarettes t-shirt to cut the grass
I'm changing to a colored T-shirt for two doctor's appointments on
Monday. That sucks
On 15 Jul 2025 10:32:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2025-07-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The kids could also come home to dad, especially if mom's able to get
a better job than dad.
I won't argue with that. A kid could come home to a parent.
I'd want that too if I was a parent, one way or the other.
And when you say Zeitgeist, I guess you're referring to Trump. You
know, that guy who suddenly doesn't want to release the Epstein files.
One wonders why... Oh well, Zeitgeist!
You are from the country closest to Zeitgeist. Don't you know what it >means?
I do.
FWIW, I was uncomfortable with his Epstein answer, a couple of
days ago. That won't go away from either side. I want answers, regardless >of who it sinks, or a logical explanation.
I agree. Also if it sinks Clinton or Gates or Prince Andrew.
On 2025-07-17, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window >>>> at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without AC Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
It was. Just ask any member of the Society for Creative Anachronism.
https://www.baronyofdarkwater.org/
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:56:49 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk >>>> cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
But why would they let a bull grow old? A few, for insemination
purposes sure, but not many compared to the number of cows.
In article <105d325$1va9n$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
@invalid.com says...
On 2025-07-17, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window >> >>>> at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without ACÂ Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough! >> >
dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for >> > the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run
around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
It was. Just ask any member of the Society for Creative Anachronism.
https://www.baronyofdarkwater.org/
Holy shit, Cindy.
On 7/19/2025 4:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
They don't let male calves grow up into old bulls unless they're
going to use them for breeding. Why feed a bunch of animals just
to turn them into dog food?
Maybe they save them for oxtail soup. Beats the hell out of me what
they do with old bulls.
In article <105ej41$2aj8v$3@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:56:49 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
But why would they let a bull grow old? A few, for insemination
purposes sure, but not many compared to the number of cows.
Sex-separation of semen before AI, limits the number of
bull calves born to dairy cows.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
In article <105h1e3$2u31j$4@dont-email.me>,
j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
On 7/19/2025 4:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Maybe they save them for oxtail soup. Beats the hell out of me what
They don't let male calves grow up into old bulls unless they're
going to use them for breeding. Why feed a bunch of animals just
to turn them into dog food?
they do with old bulls.
Now, where do you think the bone in our pretty bone-
china plates came from? Now check out our shoes and
handbags...
We're all using beef carcase byproducts in everyday
life. Bruce is probably painting his old house with
paint made from dead animals. Even his plastic eco-
sandals and plates are made from fossilised animals
crushed under rocks.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:39:05 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <105ej41$2aj8v$3@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:56:49 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned
into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
But why would they let a bull grow old? A few, for insemination
purposes sure, but not many compared to the number of cows.
Sex-separation of semen before AI, limits the number of
bull calves born to dairy cows.
I didn't know they could tell.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
On 2025-07-22, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <105d325$1va9n$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
@invalid.com says...
On 2025-07-17, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/16/2025 11:19 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/14/2025 11:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2025 10:50 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
The low here is the same as Leo's. Normally, our lows are in the
60's this time of year, but I still find that a box fan in the window >> >>>> at night cools everything off plenty. I would use a swamp-cooler
like Leo if I could, but Ohio's climate is just too humid.
Our lows this week vary considerably with a range from 74 to 75.
Highs will be 90 to 94
Could not survive without AC Swamp coolers don't work here.
The people who lived in Florida 100 years ago sure must have been tough!
Anyone who lived anywhere in the Southern (and even in the Northern, I >> > dare say) states had it tough back then. You aren't even accounting for >> > the ridiculous amount of layered clothing they wore. People didn't run >> > around wearing shorts and t-shirts back then. Even casual dress
required multiple layers of clothing. Uncomfortable? Had to be.
It was. Just ask any member of the Society for Creative Anachronism.
https://www.baronyofdarkwater.org/
Holy shit, Cindy.
What? There are historical re-creation and re-enactment groups
in Great Britain.
https://www.historic-uk.com/LivingHistory/ReenactorsDirectory/
American Civil War reenactors might make a little more sense in
the U.S., but knights in shining armor have a firm place in the
popular imagination.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Maybe they save them for oxtail soup. Beats the hell out of me what
They don't let male calves grow up into old bulls unless they're
going to use them for breeding. Why feed a bunch of animals just
to turn them into dog food?
they do with old bulls.
Now, where do you think the bone in our pretty bone-
china plates came from? Now check out our shoes and
handbags...
Janet UK
In article <105nrhr$faad$2@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:39:05 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <105ej41$2aj8v$3@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:56:49 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases?
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned >> >> >into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
But why would they let a bull grow old? A few, for insemination
purposes sure, but not many compared to the number of cows.
Sex-separation of semen before AI, limits the number of
bull calves born to dairy cows.
I didn't know they could tell.
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
Bruce wrote on 7/22/2025 1:32 PM:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:44:10 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
I'm not a farmer and neither are you, snooty wench.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/22/2025 1:32 PM:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:44:10 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
I'm not a farmer and neither are you, snooty wench.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:44:10 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <105nrhr$faad$2@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:39:05 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <105ej41$2aj8v$3@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 17:56:49 -0400, Jill McQuown
<j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2025 5:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-07-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:32:48 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2025-07-18 9:25 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
On 7/18/2025 8:30 AM, Ed P wrote:
No reason to kill an animal. You can get lard at the Liposuction Clinic.
LOL Ed! I use butter. No cows are harmed.
Some people may disagree with you. They will think the treatment of milk
cows to be cruelty.
What happens to the cows when their milk production decreases? >>>>>>>>
Where are their bull brothers?
Yummy, yummy veal.
Veal is from young calves (yep, yummy!) Old bulls are probably turned >>>>>> into dog food. But don't quote me on that.
But why would they let a bull grow old? A few, for insemination
purposes sure, but not many compared to the number of cows.
Sex-separation of semen before AI, limits the number of
bull calves born to dairy cows.
I didn't know they could tell.
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
I'm not a farmer and neither are you, snooty wench.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Bruce wrote on 7/22/2025 1:32 PM:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:44:10 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
I'm not a farmer and neither are you, snooty wench.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you
work with him.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:00:13 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you
work with him.
I don't know much about him, but I get the impression he's a kook,
whereas I'm just a bit more critical than the average RFC'er, who's
mainly interested in chewing.
On 7/22/2025 3:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:00:13 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you
work with him.
I don't know much about him, but I get the impression he's a kook,
whereas I'm just a bit more critical than the average RFC'er, who's
mainly interested in chewing.
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to get
rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive
medicines, research protocols and such.
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water
and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to get
rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive
medicines, research protocols and such.
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water
and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:56:58 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 3:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:00:13 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you
work with him.
I don't know much about him, but I get the impression he's a kook,
whereas I'm just a bit more critical than the average RFC'er, who's
mainly interested in chewing.
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to get
rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
His ideas about oil/fat are strange. He's against relatively innocent
seed oils, but recommends lard, butter, tallow and ghee, as if too
much saturated fat isn't much worse for us.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive
medicines, research protocols and such.
Yes, he's also an anti-vaxxer, but isn't half of right-wing America?
After all, vaccines and covid are deep-state conspiracies. Starve the
beast! Where's Leo when you need him?
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water
and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
Trump didn't pick his people based on skills, but on how well they
come across on TV. But RFK can barely talk, so I don't get that.
On 2025-07-22 4:56 p.m., Ed P wrote:
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to
get rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive
medicines, research protocols and such.
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water
and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
He is a Kennedy. He has been raised to be able to get away with
anything. He had an uncle who got away with getting a young female
killed and leaving the scene of an accident and not reporting it until
the next morning, buy which time the police had already found the wreck
and the girl's body.
There's not much you do know about farm livestock.
I'm not a farmer and neither are you, snooty wench.
Otherwise, many dairy cows are inseminated from a beef-
breed bull, so that the crossbreed calves can be grown on
for the beef industry.
This sounds deep.
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:56:58 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 3:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:00:13 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to
get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while
longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you
work with him.
I don't know much about him, but I get the impression he's a kook,
whereas I'm just a bit more critical than the average RFC'er, who's
mainly interested in chewing.
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to get >>rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
His ideas about oil/fat are strange. He's against relatively innocent
seed oils, but recommends lard, butter, tallow and ghee, as if too
much saturated fat isn't much worse for us.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive >>medicines, research protocols and such.
Yes, he's also an anti-vaxxer, but isn't half of right-wing America?
After all, vaccines and covid are deep-state conspiracies. Starve the
beast! Where's Leo when you need him?
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water
and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
Trump didn't pick his people based on skills, but on how well they
come across on TV. But RFK can barely talk, so I don't get that.
On 2025-07-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:56:58 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 3:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:00:13 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/22/2025 2:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 13:35:43 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> >>>
Don't give up, Bruce. It's taken rfc a decade or two to >>>>>>>>> get you posting about food you make.
Teaching you about sex and reproduction may take a while >>>>>>>>> longer.
I've been posting about ingredients since I got here.
Yes, but just the toxic ingredients, Master.
Yes, they are my forte.
You should emigrate here and team up with RFK. He' love to have you >>>>> work with him.
I don't know much about him, but I get the impression he's a kook,
whereas I'm just a bit more critical than the average RFC'er, who's
mainly interested in chewing.
Kook is a rather gentle name for him. I can agree with his quest to get >>>rid of a lot of artificial ingredients, but it stops there.
His ideas about oil/fat are strange. He's against relatively innocent
seed oils, but recommends lard, butter, tallow and ghee, as if too
much saturated fat isn't much worse for us.
He is not a doctor but is making decisions on vaccines, preventive >>>medicines, research protocols and such.
Yes, he's also an anti-vaxxer, but isn't half of right-wing America?
After all, vaccines and covid are deep-state conspiracies. Starve the
beast! Where's Leo when you need him?
Same guy that took his grandkids swimming in sewage contaminated water >>>and drove around a while with a dead bear in the car. And on and on.
Trump didn't pick his people based on skills, but on how well they
come across on TV. But RFK can barely talk, so I don't get that.
If your goal is dismantling the federal government, you couldn't
pick a better choice for DHHS.
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