I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm
often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form
it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've
been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually
survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
For yalls bread bakers, how do you shape dough for bread? Do you put it
in a traditional bread pan? Make baguette? Depends on the use case?
Sometimes I use the dough to make a few pizzas, other times I stuff the
bread in a meat mixture the germans call 'bierock.'
Sometimes I make bagels.
Until a few months ago, I used my bread machine
exclusively to manage the dough making. Experimented with my standing
mixer and found that the outcome is superior. I haven't investigated
why, but as long as my wife approves then I'm happy too.
What say you all? I also hear that adding a few ice cubes into the oven
will make the crust more crunchy. For fear of ruining a loaf, it hasn't
been tried yet until more research is done.
For those interest in the recipe, it's on MOAR. Recently, Ben was kind
enough to add it to his extensive database. My printout was getting
ratty.
gopher://tilde.pink/0/~bencollver/recipes/utf8/baked-goods/breads/ >recipe1048.txt
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form
it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've
been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually >>survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
On 7/17/2025 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both
give excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight,
just place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the
bowl, then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove
the dough hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump
it out and shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>>often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>>it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've >>>been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually >>>survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
On 7/17/2025 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl,
then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough
hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and
shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm
often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>> it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've
been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually
survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this
evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
On 2025-07-17, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Oh my God! Bruce! Did you just have a stroke? Somebody call 911! I
would, but my phone's in the kitchen. :(
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give
excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl,
then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough
hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and
shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
On 7/17/2025 9:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S ViemeisterA wedding gift? Not the TM31, I hope.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>> excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl,
then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough
hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and
shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
On 7/17/2025 9:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S ViemeisterA wedding gift? Not the TM31, I hope.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>> excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl,
then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough
hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and
shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:09:28 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 9:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S ViemeisterA wedding gift? Not the TM31, I hope.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>>> excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl, >>>> then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough >>>> hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and >>>> shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
It's the TM5. It comes with a cookbook. I just checked and it has
several bread recipes for full size breads. I made sourdough bread for
years, but might start with yeast breads.
On 7/18/2025 9:35 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:09:28 +0100, S ViemeisterI've never used a machine like that. I'd love to hear how you get on
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 9:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S ViemeisterA wedding gift? Not the TM31, I hope.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>>>> excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just >>>>> place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl, >>>>> then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough >>>>> hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and >>>>> shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can >>>> do bread dough. I might try that.
It's the TM5. It comes with a cookbook. I just checked and it has
several bread recipes for full size breads. I made sourdough bread for
years, but might start with yeast breads.
with it.
(The TM31 had major problems)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:23:30 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
Most people use a Usenet server that doesn't do binaries.
On 7/17/2025 3:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:23:30 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
Most people use a Usenet server that doesn't do binaries.
Using blocknews, I can easily access Daniel's image.
I sure can't get his Gopher link (quoted below) to work, however. It's
been years since I've used Gopher, and it seems to be a real chore to
find a modern browser that supports it.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 12:43:31 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 3:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:23:30 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
Most people use a Usenet server that doesn't do binaries.
Using blocknews, I can easily access Daniel's image.
But you're not "most people".
Michael Trew wrote:
I sure can't get his Gopher link (quoted below) to work, however. It's >>been years since I've used Gopher, and it seems to be a real chore to
find a modern browser that supports it.
You might try the OverBiteWX extension to access gopher links. Although
I got a nastygram whenI tried -
"Invalid Reverse DNS
Due to bot scraper activity causing unacceptable system load and
bandwidth costs, clients without a valid reverse DNS are no longer able
to access the Gopher site via HTTP(S) using Google Chrome. This policy
will be in place indefinitely. Sorry, this is why we can't have nice
things.
If you need to access the Gopher server, please use a regular Gopher
client: they're available for most modern operating systems and they are
not subject to this limitation. You'll also find it a lot faster. "
Lynx worked!
Turns out to be sourced from a popular web site - >https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/sandwich-bread/
For yalls bread bakers, how do you shape dough for bread? Do you put it
in a traditional bread pan? Make baguette? Depends on the use case?
On 7/17/2025 3:23 PM, Daniel wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>>> often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>>> it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've
been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually
survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Not all newsgroup carriers carry every newsgroup.
Most people where post links to images rather than direct someone to
another NG to look at photos.
Jill
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
In what way does hand made (or mixer made) dough give a better result
than bread machine dough? I'm asking because I sometimes think about
going back to bread making but don't look forward to the messy
kneading process.
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just
place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl, >>then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough >>hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and >>shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
Bruce wrote on 7/18/2025 11:57 AM:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 12:43:31 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 3:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:23:30 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
Most people use a Usenet server that doesn't do binaries.
Using blocknews, I can easily access Daniel's image.
But you're not "most people".
You also seem to be very special too, Master. So I wonder why you can't access it?
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:40:55 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I've never had a bread machine, but friends and family have. The
machines are somewhat limited as to size and type of loaf, and most
leave a hole where the kneading tool was.
I use a stand mixer - KitchenAid in the US, Kenwood in the UK. Both give >>>excellent results. If your kitchen scales can handle the weight, just >>>place the bowl on the scale, measure out the ingredients into the bowl, >>>then start the mixer. It's done in just a few minutes. Remove the dough >>>hook and cover the bowl for the first rise; when risen, dump it out and >>>shape it however you like.
Very little effort involved, and no messy kneading.
Sounds good. We have a Thermomix that we never use. Apparently, it can
do bread dough. I might try that.
Tell me how it goes! When I saw that option, my lazy alarm went off
bigtime. My bread machine still looks new because I've only used it
twice for baking.
I did buy replacement paddles because the original ended up in the
garbage disposal and got mangled.
After a while these things need maintenance, but if I had used it all
along to bake bread it would've ended up in the dump years ago.
I really don't know if the newer machines are made with good quality as
they were before.
Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> writes:
On 7/17/2025 3:23 PM, Daniel wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>>>> often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>>>> it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've >>>>> been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually >>>>> survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Not all newsgroup carriers carry every newsgroup.
Most people here post links to images rather than direct someone to
another NG to look at photos.
Jill
Posting a weblink still directs the reader elsewhere.
Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> writes:
On 7/17/2025 3:23 PM, Daniel wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>>>> often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>>>> it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've >>>>> been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually >>>>> survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Not all newsgroup carriers carry every newsgroup.
Most people where post links to images rather than direct someone to
another NG to look at photos.
Jill
Posting a weblink still directs the reader elsewhere.
It occured to me that it would be a good idea to confine my multimedia content to usenet. Web links often die after a few years or sooner.
Either the host goes offline or they change the URL schema. I've read countless old posts with dead links. It's kind of sad, from my point of
view, because it gives the sense there there's an old internet that no
longer exists.
I searched through various food-related binary newsgroups and one had
copious posts. If you feel like temporarily subbing a newsgroup to see
my image, it's up to you. At the end of the day, it's only a picture of
food I've cooked, want to cook, or discuss. Nothing earth shattering. I
won't shed a tear if you refuse to sub the newsgroup.
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
Or the dreaded Google
images.
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for
recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
On 7/19/2025 2:49 AM, Daniel wrote:
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
I used to toy around with the "old web", but not in years, so I
attempted to take it as a challenge. When I regularly used my 32 bit
version of Windows 7, I had lots of old browsers installed. I'd even
use the original Mosaic browser from the 90's to use the GOPHER
protocol... But none of those old 16 bit browsers will function on my
"up to date" 64 bit Windows.
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most browsers.
I've used that to download programs and files plenty of times.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for
recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
What is MOAR?
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most browsers.
I've used that to download programs and files plenty of times.
On 7/19/2025 2:49 AM, Daniel wrote:
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
I used to toy around with the "old web", but not in years, so I
attempted to take it as a challenge. When I regularly used my 32 bit
version of Windows 7, I had lots of old browsers installed. I'd even
use the original Mosaic browser from the 90's to use the GOPHER
protocol... But none of those old 16 bit browsers will function on my
"up to date" 64 bit Windows.
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most browsers.
I've used that to download programs and files plenty of times.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for
recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
What is MOAR?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 23:35:01 +0000, Michael Trew wrote:
On 7/19/2025 2:49 AM, Daniel wrote:
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
I used to toy around with the "old web", but not in years, so I
attempted to take it as a challenge. When I regularly used my 32 bit
version of Windows 7, I had lots of old browsers installed. I'd even
use the original Mosaic browser from the 90's to use the GOPHER
protocol... But none of those old 16 bit browsers will function on my
"up to date" 64 bit Windows.
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most browsers.
I've used that to download programs and files plenty of times.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for
recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
What is MOAR?
I used to use a FTP program back in the old days to do updates on my
website. These days, using something like that sounds like just asking
for trouble. It's a dangerous world out there, baby!
--
On 2025-07-19, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most browsers.
I've used that to download programs and files plenty of times.
If memory serves (as it so often does not), ftp is not automatically
enabled on Windows machines. It's considered insecure because it
transmits authentication information and data in plain text. Same
thing with telnet.
On 2025-07-19, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> writes:
On 7/17/2025 3:23 PM, Daniel wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:59:46 -0700, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:Why would this be the case? It's just another newsgroup.
I've been making bread the last few days to freeze for winter (when I'm >>>>>> often too lazy to make it fresh). Lately, on the second rise I just form >>>>>> it as a ball on a pizza stone and cover with celo before baking. I've >>>>>> been using a great recipe for sandwich bread. A loaf doesn't usually >>>>>> survive past two days. The wife loves my bread.
Ah, das Weib als ding an sich.
Most recently, I started experimenting with dough scoring.
I decided to take a picture of my most recent loaf and uploaded it this >>>>>> evening for your perusal on:
Newsgroup: alt.binaries.food
subject: most recent breadbake
That's not easy to find for most.
Not all newsgroup carriers carry every newsgroup.
Most people where post links to images rather than direct someone to
another NG to look at photos.
Jill
Posting a weblink still directs the reader elsewhere.
It occured to me that it would be a good idea to confine my multimedia
content to usenet. Web links often die after a few years or sooner.
Either the host goes offline or they change the URL schema. I've read
countless old posts with dead links. It's kind of sad, from my point of
view, because it gives the sense there there's an old internet that no
longer exists.
I searched through various food-related binary newsgroups and one had
copious posts. If you feel like temporarily subbing a newsgroup to see
my image, it's up to you. At the end of the day, it's only a picture of
food I've cooked, want to cook, or discuss. Nothing earth shattering. I
won't shed a tear if you refuse to sub the newsgroup.
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
I have knowledge of gopher. That doesn't mean I want to use it.
On 7/19/2025 2:49 AM, Daniel wrote:
On another note, I naively assumed that my fellow usenet consumers
have knowedge of gopher. That was my mistake. I should have pasted the
recipe in my original post with a link to the source. Apologies all
around on that snafu. I do feel bad for all the confusion.
I used to toy around with the "old web", but not in years, so I
attempted to take it as a challenge. When I regularly used my 32 bit
version of Windows 7, I had lots of old browsers installed. I'd even
use the original Mosaic browser from the 90's to use the GOPHER
protocol... But none of those old 16 bit browsers will function on my
"up to date" 64 bit Windows.
I recently learned that FTP is no longer accessible in most
browsers. I've used that to download programs and files plenty of
times.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for
recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
What is MOAR?
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
gopher://tilde.pink/7/~bencollver/recipes
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 09:33:33 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
Daniel speaks to us from the 90s. Michael finds that pretentious
modernism. He uses a squeeze-powered Texas Instruments calculator.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> writes:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do
with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it?
I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
I'm talking about Lynx, the textmode browser. Never heard of a lynx
distro.
In fedora, go to your cli and type lynx.
Press 'g'
Type/paste your URL
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> writes:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>>> recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do >>>>> with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it? >>>>
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
I'm talking about Lynx, the textmode browser. Never heard of a lynx
distro.
In fedora, go to your cli and type lynx.
Press 'g'
Type/paste your URL
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
Cindy Hamilton wrote on 7/22/2025 4:40 PM:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> writes:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it >>>>> via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>>>> recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do >>>>>> with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it? >>>>>
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
I'm talking about Lynx, the textmode browser. Never heard of a lynx
distro.
In fedora, go to your cli and type lynx.
Press 'g'
Type/paste your URL
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
Do tell more about this lynx distro. I'd never heard of it till now, but that's not surprising as there are at least 4 million distros.
On 7/22/2025 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
Same here. I have a Shell gas credit card and get 5 cents a gallon
off with it.
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> writes:
On 2025-07-22, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
heyjoe <address@is.invalid> writes:
Daniel wrote:I provided a link to a recipe that resides on MOAR. You can access it
Lastly, I have an urge to promote MOAR, as it is a fantastic source for >>>>>>recipes and I can't thank Ben C. enough for hosting it.
My searchfoo is failing. All I'm finding for MOAR recipes has to do >>>>> with Minecraft.
So . . . promote MOAR a bit more. What is it? How do we access it? >>>>
via gopher. If you are a linux user, lynx is gopher capable.
Good grief. Why would a person need to use Lynx? It's a real-time
OS for safety-critical systems. And it's not free.
I'm happy with Fedora.
I'm talking about Lynx, the textmode browser. Never heard of a lynx
distro.
In fedora, go to your cli and type lynx.
Press 'g'
Type/paste your URL
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
Ed P <esp@snet.n> writes:
On 7/22/2025 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I'm a pretty hardcore shell user, but I'm happy with Firefox or Chrome
as a browser.
Same here. I have a Shell gas credit card and get 5 cents a gallon
off with it.
I chuckled at that.
I stopped using the Shell card because they added a credit card
surcharge even though it is their own card. Fucking scam.
The account is still open, just zero balance. It's too expensive these
days too. But that's another story.
gas, I have a CC that gives me 3% back.
On 2025-07-24 6:29 a.m., Ed P wrote:
  Seems to me, if you use a service it is fair to pay for it. For
gas, I have a CC that gives me 3% back.
And that's the reason some add a service charge when you use a CC.
Some charities ask for a %fee if you donate by CC.
I always used command line ftp. usually where software is stored, like mozilla and shit like that. i'd use the anonymous access and navigate
the directory structure to the files and issue the get command. easy as
that.
there's a ftp ring out there somewhere that grants old-school access.
you can get winscp for you windows folk. it support ftp.
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> posted:
I always used command line ftp. usually where software is stored, like
mozilla and shit like that. i'd use the anonymous access and navigate
the directory structure to the files and issue the get command. easy as
that.
there's a ftp ring out there somewhere that grants old-school access.
you can get winscp for you windows folk. it support ftp.
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:49:49 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> posted:
I always used command line ftp. usually where software is stored, like
mozilla and shit like that. i'd use the anonymous access and navigate
the directory structure to the files and issue the get command. easy as
that.
there's a ftp ring out there somewhere that grants old-school access.
you can get winscp for you windows folk. it support ftp.
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
I thought you were more computer savvy than that.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:49:49 GMT, dsi1I used to build, set-up, and maintain, computers. I know all that I need to >know. Mostly, Windows is one of the biggest scams there ever was. Intel and >Microsoft colluded to make a computer that needed constant updating of the >hardware and software. You're now stuck with a system that uses enormous >resources and power to do the simplest of things. The software that runs >Windows is so big, antiquated, and patched up that nobody really knows how the >whole thing works. I think it's too much of a security risk so I don't use it.
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
I thought you were more computer savvy than that.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:49:49 GMT, dsi1I used to build, set-up, and maintain, computers. I know all that I need to know. Mostly, Windows is one of the biggest scams there ever was. Intel and Microsoft colluded to make a computer that needed constant updating of the hardware and software. You're now stuck with a system that uses enormous resources and power to do the simplest of things. The software that runs Windows is so big, antiquated, and patched up that nobody really knows how the
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> posted:
I always used command line ftp. usually where software is stored, like >>>> mozilla and shit like that. i'd use the anonymous access and navigate
the directory structure to the files and issue the get command. easy as >>>> that.
there's a ftp ring out there somewhere that grants old-school access.
you can get winscp for you windows folk. it support ftp.
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
I thought you were more computer savvy than that.
whole thing works. I think it's too much of a security risk so I don't use it.
On Fri, 01 Aug 2025 19:41:22 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:49:49 GMT, dsi1I used to build, set-up, and maintain, computers. I know all that I need to >know. Mostly, Windows is one of the biggest scams there ever was. Intel and >Microsoft colluded to make a computer that needed constant updating of the >hardware and software. You're now stuck with a system that uses enormous >resources and power to do the simplest of things. The software that runs >Windows is so big, antiquated, and patched up that nobody really knows how the
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
I thought you were more computer savvy than that.
whole thing works. I think it's too much of a security risk so I don't use it.
It works well for me. I never pay for Windows updates or even for
entirely new versions. It never crashes. It's fast. I never get
viruses or any other gunk. It's all good for now.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2025 19:41:22 GMT, dsi1Congrats on that!
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:49:49 GMT, dsi1I used to build, set-up, and maintain, computers. I know all that I need to >> >know. Mostly, Windows is one of the biggest scams there ever was. Intel and >> >Microsoft colluded to make a computer that needed constant updating of the >> >hardware and software. You're now stuck with a system that uses enormous
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Using Windows is just asking for trouble. It's more than I can bear.
I thought you were more computer savvy than that.
resources and power to do the simplest of things. The software that runs
Windows is so big, antiquated, and patched up that nobody really knows how the
whole thing works. I think it's too much of a security risk so I don't use it.
It works well for me. I never pay for Windows updates or even for
entirely new versions. It never crashes. It's fast. I never get
viruses or any other gunk. It's all good for now.
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