• Starter regeneration time

    From bp@www.zefox.net@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 23:45:59 2025
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?

    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf
    of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge
    is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.

    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Mon May 12 08:17:01 2025
    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?

    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf
    of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge
    is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.

    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

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  • From bp@www.zefox.net@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon May 12 16:11:26 2025
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    Thank you!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Jul 16 15:16:36 2025
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> writes:

    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?
    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf
    of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge
    is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.
    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my
    purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.
    Thanks for reading,
    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    MOAR has heaps of starter recipes with different ideas for
    kickstarting the fermentation. Trying to keep it simple, yet, I want a
    tasty bread in the end.

    D

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  • From bp@www.zefox.net@21:1/5 to Daniel on Fri Jul 18 00:57:19 2025
    Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> writes:

    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?
    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf
    of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge >>> is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.
    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my
    purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.
    Thanks for reading,
    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware:
    https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    MOAR has heaps of starter recipes with different ideas for
    kickstarting the fermentation. Trying to keep it simple, yet, I want a
    tasty bread in the end.

    What you get in the end is mostly influenced by your maintenance strategy.
    What you start with isn't irrelevent, but what survives and prospers in
    your environment, with your cycle of use and refreshment, likely matters
    more in the long haul. Think of your starter as a terrarium or aquarium.
    Set it up, take care of it, the care determines the course of evolution.

    Evolution is probably too grand a term; interspecies competition is closer
    to right.

    Thanks for reading, hope your experiments rise to expectations 8-)

    bob prohaska

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Fri Jul 18 07:29:00 2025
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:57:19 -0000 (UTC), bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> writes:

    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?
    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf >>>> of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge >>>> is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.
    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my
    purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.
    Thanks for reading,
    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: >>> https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    MOAR has heaps of starter recipes with different ideas for
    kickstarting the fermentation. Trying to keep it simple, yet, I want a
    tasty bread in the end.

    What you get in the end is mostly influenced by your maintenance strategy. >What you start with isn't irrelevent, but what survives and prospers in
    your environment, with your cycle of use and refreshment, likely matters
    more in the long haul. Think of your starter as a terrarium or aquarium.
    Set it up, take care of it, the care determines the course of evolution.

    Evolution is probably too grand a term; interspecies competition is closer
    to right.

    Thanks for reading, hope your experiments rise to expectations 8-)

    bob prohaska

    Last time I made a starter, I used plain white flour and
    water. Still going over 20 years later. And I only feed it very
    occasionally (every 2 months or when I'm going to make bread).
    Not rocket science.
    []'s
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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Daniel on Fri Jul 18 13:39:04 2025
    Daniel wrote :

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    An alternative is to get a starter from a third party. Have used
    Carl's starter in the past, with good results.
    https://www.carlsfriends.net/
    Unfortunately, got careless and let it die. Am now doing yeasted
    breads in a bread machine. The flavor and texture isn't even close
    to previous sourdough loaves, but is sooo easy.

    --
    Stop looking at me when people say "Out with the old."

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to Shadow on Mon Jul 21 23:25:26 2025
    Shadow <Sh@dow.br> writes:

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:57:19 -0000 (UTC), bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> writes:

    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?
    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week. >>>>> Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf >>>>> of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge >>>>> is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.
    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my
    purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm >>>>> not seeking any special intensity of flavor.
    Thanks for reading,
    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: >>>> https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    MOAR has heaps of starter recipes with different ideas for
    kickstarting the fermentation. Trying to keep it simple, yet, I want a
    tasty bread in the end.

    What you get in the end is mostly influenced by your maintenance strategy. >>What you start with isn't irrelevent, but what survives and prospers in >>your environment, with your cycle of use and refreshment, likely matters >>more in the long haul. Think of your starter as a terrarium or aquarium. >>Set it up, take care of it, the care determines the course of evolution.

    Evolution is probably too grand a term; interspecies competition is closer >>to right.

    Thanks for reading, hope your experiments rise to expectations 8-)

    bob prohaska

    Last time I made a starter, I used plain white flour and
    water. Still going over 20 years later. And I only feed it very
    occasionally (every 2 months or when I'm going to make bread).
    Not rocket science.
    []'s

    Can you please tell me how it has changed over the years? I mean, how
    the outcome turns out, flavorwise. Has it changed?

    D

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Wed Jul 23 22:00:48 2025
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:57:19 -0000 (UTC), bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> writes:

    On 2025-05-11 5:45 p.m., bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    How much time is required for sourdough starter to reach the
    point of being ready to refrigerate until the next batch of bread?
    I store starter in the fridge because I bake only about once a week.
    Usually the starter is fed, allowed to ferment along with the new loaf >>>> of bread and then refrigerated shortly (hours at most) later. The fridge >>>> is at the cold end of the scale, just slightly above freezing.
    Does starter store better "hungry" or "fed" ? "Better" for my
    purposes
    means giving the most vigorous rise when innoculated into dough; I'm
    not seeking any special intensity of flavor.
    Thanks for reading,
    bob prohaska

    This is the most comprehensive guide to SD starters of which I am aware: >>> https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/sourdough-starter/

    It covers longer term storage if you scroll down.

    This is a great conversation because I am only now exploring initiating
    my sourdough process.

    MOAR has heaps of starter recipes with different ideas for
    kickstarting the fermentation. Trying to keep it simple, yet, I want a
    tasty bread in the end.

    What you get in the end is mostly influenced by your maintenance strategy. >What you start with isn't irrelevent, but what survives and prospers in
    your environment, with your cycle of use and refreshment, likely matters
    more in the long haul. Think of your starter as a terrarium or aquarium.
    Set it up, take care of it, the care determines the course of evolution.

    Evolution is probably too grand a term; interspecies competition is closer
    to right.

    Thanks for reading, hope your experiments rise to expectations 8-)

    bob prohaska


    Your ultimate bread /flavor is not only influenced by the starter, but
    also your ingredients, rise times and temps

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  • From bp@www.zefox.net@21:1/5 to Boron Elgar on Fri Jul 25 14:06:17 2025
    Boron Elgar <boron_elgar@hootmail.com> wrote:

    Your ultimate bread /flavor is not only influenced by the starter, but
    also your ingredients, rise times and temps

    Yes, of course. I was thinking more in terms of relative
    leavening versus souring ability. AIUI, the former is mostly
    from yeasts, the latter mostly from bacteria. That makes
    the competition between the two influential. Practices that
    favor one might not necessarily favor the other.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Sat Jul 26 12:11:27 2025
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 14:06:17 -0000 (UTC), bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Boron Elgar <boron_elgar@hootmail.com> wrote:

    Your ultimate bread /flavor is not only influenced by the starter, but
    also your ingredients, rise times and temps

    Yes, of course. I was thinking more in terms of relative
    leavening versus souring ability. AIUI, the former is mostly
    from yeasts, the latter mostly from bacteria. That makes
    the competition between the two influential. Practices that
    favor one might not necessarily favor the other.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska


    Saccharomyces cerevisiae. Yup.

    Starters are easy to make and delightfully easy to adapt for different flours/grains.

    In days gone by a shelf of my fridge looked like a chem. lab.

    And you are welcome. This group has been pretty quiet lately. Nice to
    see postings.

    And this still exists, bless it and Darrell Greenwood's heart.

    https://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughfaqs.html

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