• QFTCI23 Final, Round 2-3: geography, miscellaneous

    From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 01:56:21 2024
    These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2023-11-27,
    and should be interpreted accordingly.

    On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
    both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
    Please post all your answers in a single followup to the newsgroup,
    based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
    the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
    the correct answers in about 3 days.

    All questions were written by members of the Usual Suspects and
    are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may have
    been retyped and/or edited by me. The posting and tabulation of
    current-events questions is independent of the concurrent posting
    of other rounds. For further information please see my 2023-05-24
    companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian Inquisition
    (QFTCI*)".


    We wrote the Final entirely in pairs, allowing teams to select what
    order the pairs were used in. There was no Canadiana category,
    but Canadiana pairs were distributed through the different rounds.
    In this set I wrote 8 of the 12 pairs.


    ** Round 2 - Geography

    * A. South American Cities

    A1. Name the city of about half a million in Peru's part of the
    Amazon basin that is the largest city in the world that
    *is not* on an island, but has *no access* by road.

    A2. In which country would you find El Alto, meaning "the
    heights"? It's the second-largest city in the country,
    larger than the capital of which it was once a part, and
    has the distinction of being the largest mostly-indigenous
    city in all of Latin America.


    * B. A is the Only Vowel

    In these questions the "name" of a country means its usual short
    name in English, like "France" or "Germany".

    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    B2. In Africa, including its associated islands, there are four
    countries where the only vowels in the name are instances
    of A. Name *any one*.


    * C. Population and Spelling

    Again, in these questions the "name" of a country means its usual
    short name in English.

    C1. What is the world's most populous country with a Z in
    its name?

    C2. What is the world's most populous country with an X in
    its name?


    * D. Canadiana: Ontario County Seats

    D1. Owen Sound is the county seat of which county? Hint:
    The name resembles a well-known sports trophy.

    D2. Orangeville, Ontario, is the county seat of which county?
    Hint: The name resembles a major street in Toronto.


    * E. Lakes at Interesting Elevations

    E1. This body of water in Venezuela is sometimes called the
    largest lake in South America, but it's practically at sea
    level and receives ocean water at high tide, so arguably
    it's not a lake at all. In any case, what's its name?

    E2. The other candidate for the largest lake in South America
    is so far above sea level that it's the world's highest
    lake navigable by large ships. What's its name?


    * F. Artificial Lakes

    F1. Lake Mead was created by damming what river?
    F2. Lake Nasser was created by damming what river?


    ** Round 3 - Miscellaneous

    * A. Culinary Terms

    A1. What word means to lightly coat uncooked food with a dry
    mixture, typically flour, cornmeal, or bread crumbs?

    A2. What word means a thick creamy soup, with a base of strained
    broth of shellfish or game?


    * B. The Exception to the Pattern

    B1. Sue Grafton wrote 25 novels about Kinsey Millhone. The
    first and last titles were "A is for Alibi" and "Y is for
    Yesterday", and most of the rest followed the same pattern
    in alphabetical order. But the 24th book, in 2015, did
    not fit the pattern. What was its full title?

    B2. Once the term "Super Bowl" became official, it became
    customary to refer to the annual instances of the game using
    Roman numerals in sequence, for example "Super Bowl XIV".
    But again, in 2015 an exception to the pattern was made.
    What did they call the game that year?


    * C. Crossword Words

    These questions were stolen from a recent "Toronto Star" crossword.
    If you disagree with the clue, please take it up with the "Star".
    In each case, we give you the clue, the number of letters, and
    one letter you're supposed to have already filled in in the grid.
    You give the exact answer that would go into the puzzle solution.
    Example: we say "Add yeast, 6 letters, 2nd letter is E"; you
    say LEAVEN.

    C1. "Ancient port near Carthage or a town in New York State."
    5 letters, 2nd letter is T.

    C2. "Put in chains." 7 letters, 3rd letter is S.


    * D. Gaza

    D1. The Gaza Strip has been much in the news in recent weeks.
    What is its area, within 5% of the true number in either
    direction?

    D2. In 2005 Israel withdrew from military occupation of Gaza,
    including the removal of settlers. Which Israeli prime
    minister proposed, and was eventually able to implement,
    the withdrawal?


    * E. Prizes Established

    E1. What year, within 5, were the first Pulitzer ["PULL-it-zer"]
    Prizes given out?

    E2. What year, within 5, were the first Nobel Prizes given out?


    * F. Indian Numbers

    F1. In India they generally do not express large numbers
    in millions. What we call a million, they would call how
    many lakhs?

    F2. In India, one crore [rhymes with "bore"] equals how many
    lakhs?

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  • From Dan Blum@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Mon Jan 29 02:32:01 2024
    Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote:

    ** Round 2 - Geography

    * A. South American Cities

    A2. In which country would you find El Alto, meaning "the
    heights"? It's the second-largest city in the country,
    larger than the capital of which it was once a part, and
    has the distinction of being the largest mostly-indigenous
    city in all of Latin America.

    Bolivia

    * B. A is the Only Vowel

    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    Panama

    B2. In Africa, including its associated islands, there are four
    countries where the only vowels in the name are instances
    of A. Name *any one*.

    Ghana

    * C. Population and Spelling

    C1. What is the world's most populous country with a Z in
    its name?

    Brazil

    C2. What is the world's most populous country with an X in
    its name?

    Mexico

    * E. Lakes at Interesting Elevations

    E1. This body of water in Venezuela is sometimes called the
    largest lake in South America, but it's practically at sea
    level and receives ocean water at high tide, so arguably
    it's not a lake at all. In any case, what's its name?

    Maracaibo

    E2. The other candidate for the largest lake in South America
    is so far above sea level that it's the world's highest
    lake navigable by large ships. What's its name?

    Titicaca

    * F. Artificial Lakes

    F1. Lake Mead was created by damming what river?

    Colorado

    F2. Lake Nasser was created by damming what river?

    Nile

    ** Round 3 - Miscellaneous

    * A. Culinary Terms

    A1. What word means to lightly coat uncooked food with a dry
    mixture, typically flour, cornmeal, or bread crumbs?

    dredge

    A2. What word means a thick creamy soup, with a base of strained
    broth of shellfish or game?

    chowder

    * B. The Exception to the Pattern

    B2. Once the term "Super Bowl" became official, it became
    customary to refer to the annual instances of the game using
    Roman numerals in sequence, for example "Super Bowl XIV".
    But again, in 2015 an exception to the pattern was made.
    What did they call the game that year?

    Super Bowl 50

    * C. Crossword Words

    C1. "Ancient port near Carthage or a town in New York State."
    5 letters, 2nd letter is T.

    Utica

    C2. "Put in chains." 7 letters, 3rd letter is S.

    enslave

    * D. Gaza

    D1. The Gaza Strip has been much in the news in recent weeks.
    What is its area, within 5% of the true number in either
    direction?

    600 square miles

    * E. Prizes Established

    E1. What year, within 5, were the first Pulitzer ["PULL-it-zer"]
    Prizes given out?

    1910

    E2. What year, within 5, were the first Nobel Prizes given out?

    1900

    * F. Indian Numbers

    F1. In India they generally do not express large numbers
    in millions. What we call a million, they would call how
    many lakhs?

    10

    F2. In India, one crore [rhymes with "bore"] equals how many
    lakhs?

    1/10

    --
    _______________________________________________________________________
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  • From Erland Sommarskog@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Mon Jan 29 23:59:10 2024
    Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:
    ** Round 2 - Geography

    * A. South American Cities

    A2. In which country would you find El Alto, meaning "the
    heights"? It's the second-largest city in the country,
    larger than the capital of which it was once a part, and
    has the distinction of being the largest mostly-indigenous
    city in all of Latin America.

    Bolivia

    * B. A is the Only Vowel

    In these questions the "name" of a country means its usual short
    name in English, like "France" or "Germany".

    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    Panama

    B2. In Africa, including its associated islands, there are four
    countries where the only vowels in the name are instances
    of A. Name *any one*.

    Chad

    * C. Population and Spelling

    C1. What is the world's most populous country with a Z in
    its name?

    Mozambique

    C2. What is the world's most populous country with an X in
    its name?

    Mexico

    * E. Lakes at Interesting Elevations

    E2. The other candidate for the largest lake in South America
    is so far above sea level that it's the world's highest
    lake navigable by large ships. What's its name?

    Titicaca

    * F. Artificial Lakes

    F2. Lake Nasser was created by damming what river?

    The Nile

    ** Round 3 - Miscellaneous

    * A. Culinary Terms

    A2. What word means a thick creamy soup, with a base of strained
    broth of shellfish or game?

    Chowder

    C1. "Ancient port near Carthage or a town in New York State."
    5 letters, 2nd letter is T.

    Itaca

    * D. Gaza

    D1. The Gaza Strip has been much in the news in recent weeks.
    What is its area, within 5% of the true number in either
    direction?

    5000 kmē

    D2. In 2005 Israel withdrew from military occupation of Gaza,
    including the removal of settlers. Which Israeli prime
    minister proposed, and was eventually able to implement,
    the withdrawal?

    Ariel Sharon


    * E. Prizes Established

    E2. What year, within 5, were the first Nobel Prizes given out?

    1901


    * F. Indian Numbers

    F1. In India they generally do not express large numbers
    in millions. What we call a million, they would call how
    many lakhs?

    10

    F2. In India, one crore [rhymes with "bore"] equals how many
    lakhs?

    100

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  • From Dan Tilque@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Tue Jan 30 11:33:40 2024
    On 1/28/24 17:56, Mark Brader wrote:


    ** Round 2 - Geography

    * A. South American Cities

    A1. Name the city of about half a million in Peru's part of the
    Amazon basin that is the largest city in the world that
    *is not* on an island, but has *no access* by road.

    A2. In which country would you find El Alto, meaning "the
    heights"? It's the second-largest city in the country,
    larger than the capital of which it was once a part, and
    has the distinction of being the largest mostly-indigenous
    city in all of Latin America.

    Paraguay



    * B. A is the Only Vowel

    In these questions the "name" of a country means its usual short
    name in English, like "France" or "Germany".

    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    Bahamas

    (Looks like you left out a line like "One of them is xxxx." I suspect
    xxxx was Canada.)


    B2. In Africa, including its associated islands, there are four
    countries where the only vowels in the name are instances
    of A. Name *any one*.

    Ghana



    * C. Population and Spelling

    Again, in these questions the "name" of a country means its usual
    short name in English.

    C1. What is the world's most populous country with a Z in
    its name?

    Zimbabwe


    C2. What is the world's most populous country with an X in
    its name?

    Mexico



    * D. Canadiana: Ontario County Seats

    D1. Owen Sound is the county seat of which county? Hint:
    The name resembles a well-known sports trophy.

    D2. Orangeville, Ontario, is the county seat of which county?
    Hint: The name resembles a major street in Toronto.


    * E. Lakes at Interesting Elevations

    E1. This body of water in Venezuela is sometimes called the
    largest lake in South America, but it's practically at sea
    level and receives ocean water at high tide, so arguably
    it's not a lake at all. In any case, what's its name?

    E2. The other candidate for the largest lake in South America
    is so far above sea level that it's the world's highest
    lake navigable by large ships. What's its name?

    Titicaca



    * F. Artificial Lakes

    F1. Lake Mead was created by damming what river?

    Colorado

    F2. Lake Nasser was created by damming what river?

    Nile



    ** Round 3 - Miscellaneous

    * A. Culinary Terms

    A1. What word means to lightly coat uncooked food with a dry
    mixture, typically flour, cornmeal, or bread crumbs?

    breaded


    A2. What word means a thick creamy soup, with a base of strained
    broth of shellfish or game?

    bouillabaisse



    * B. The Exception to the Pattern

    B1. Sue Grafton wrote 25 novels about Kinsey Millhone. The
    first and last titles were "A is for Alibi" and "Y is for
    Yesterday", and most of the rest followed the same pattern
    in alphabetical order. But the 24th book, in 2015, did
    not fit the pattern. What was its full title?

    B2. Once the term "Super Bowl" became official, it became
    customary to refer to the annual instances of the game using
    Roman numerals in sequence, for example "Super Bowl XIV".
    But again, in 2015 an exception to the pattern was made.
    What did they call the game that year?

    Superbowl 50



    * C. Crossword Words

    These questions were stolen from a recent "Toronto Star" crossword.
    If you disagree with the clue, please take it up with the "Star".
    In each case, we give you the clue, the number of letters, and
    one letter you're supposed to have already filled in in the grid.
    You give the exact answer that would go into the puzzle solution.
    Example: we say "Add yeast, 6 letters, 2nd letter is E"; you
    say LEAVEN.

    C1. "Ancient port near Carthage or a town in New York State."
    5 letters, 2nd letter is T.

    Utica


    C2. "Put in chains." 7 letters, 3rd letter is S.


    * D. Gaza

    D1. The Gaza Strip has been much in the news in recent weeks.
    What is its area, within 5% of the true number in either
    direction?

    45 sq km


    D2. In 2005 Israel withdrew from military occupation of Gaza,
    including the removal of settlers. Which Israeli prime
    minister proposed, and was eventually able to implement,
    the withdrawal?


    * E. Prizes Established

    E1. What year, within 5, were the first Pulitzer ["PULL-it-zer"]
    Prizes given out?

    1932


    E2. What year, within 5, were the first Nobel Prizes given out?

    1901



    * F. Indian Numbers

    F1. In India they generally do not express large numbers
    in millions. What we call a million, they would call how
    many lakhs?

    10


    F2. In India, one crore [rhymes with "bore"] equals how many
    lakhs?

    100


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    Dan Tilque

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 21:53:30 2024
    Dan Tilque:
    (Looks like you left out a line like "One of them is xxxx."...)

    Nope.
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    Toronto Oh, wait: I am! Lucky me!"
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  • From Erland Sommarskog@21:1/5 to Dan Tilque on Wed Jan 31 20:46:03 2024
    Dan Tilque (dtilque@frontier.com) writes:
    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    Bahamas

    (Looks like you left out a line like "One of them is xxxx." I suspect
    xxxx was Canada.)


    In a Toronto pub? Get real, Dan!

    (I'm glad that Panama was the first that fell to my mind, so I did not
    goof on this one. It's bad enough with missing Brazil. I could try to
    blame it on that there is no Z in the Swedish spelling. But it's kind
    of lame, since the same is true for the answer I gave to that question.)

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 1 05:04:41 2024
    Mark Brader:
    These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2023-11-27,
    and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
    please see my 2023-05-24 companion posting on "Questions from the
    Canadian Inquisition (QFTCI*)".


    We wrote the Final entirely in pairs, allowing teams to select what
    order the pairs were used in. There was no Canadiana category,
    but Canadiana pairs were distributed through the different rounds.
    In this set I wrote 8 of the 12 pairs.

    In Round 2, I wrote pairs B through F; in Round 3, pairs B, E, and F.


    ** Round 2 - Geography

    * A. South American Cities

    A1. Name the city of about half a million in Peru's part of the
    Amazon basin that is the largest city in the world that
    *is not* on an island, but has *no access* by road.

    Iquitos.

    Iguacu is a waterfall and related features about 2,000 miles from there.

    A2. In which country would you find El Alto, meaning "the
    heights"? It's the second-largest city in the country,
    larger than the capital of which it was once a part, and
    has the distinction of being the largest mostly-indigenous
    city in all of Latin America.

    Bolivia. (Next to La Paz.) 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Erland, Stephen,
    and Pete.


    * B. A is the Only Vowel

    In these questions the "name" of a country means its usual short
    name in English, like "France" or "Germany".

    B1. In North and South America, including their associated
    islands, there are three countries where the only vowels
    in the name are instances of A. Name *either one* of the
    *other two*.

    Bahamas, Panama. 4 for everyone -- Joshua, Dan Blum, Erland, Stephen,
    Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    B2. In Africa, including its associated islands, there are four
    countries where the only vowels in the name are instances
    of A. Name *any one*.

    Chad, Ghana, Madagascar, Rwanda. 4 for Joshua (the hard way),
    Dan Blum, Erland, Stephen (the hard way), Dan Tilque, and Pete.


    * C. Population and Spelling

    Again, in these questions the "name" of a country means its usual
    short name in English.

    C1. What is the world's most populous country with a Z in
    its name?

    Brazil. 4 for Dan Blum and Stephen.

    According to the CIA World Factbook:

    Brazil 218,689,757
    Tanzania 65,642,682
    Mozambique 32,513,805
    Uzbekistan 31,360,836
    Venezuela 30,518,260
    Zambia 20,216,029
    Kazakhstan 19,543,464
    Zimbabwe 15,418,674
    Czechia 10,706,242
    Azerbaijan 10,420,515
    Switzerland 8,563,760
    Kyrgyzstan 6,122,781
    New Zealand 5,109,702
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 3,807,764
    Gaza Strip 2,098,389
    Belize 419,137

    Zaire hasn't been the name of a country since 1997. The former
    Zaire -- the Democratic Republic of the Congo -- only has 111,859,928
    people anyway.

    C2. What is the world's most populous country with an X in >
    its name?

    Mexico. 4 for everyone.

    Mexico 129,875,529
    Luxembourg 660,924


    * D. Canadiana: Ontario County Seats

    D1. Owen Sound is the county seat of which county? Hint:
    The name resembles a well-known sports trophy.

    Grey. 4 for Stephen. 2 for Joshua.

    It's named after the grandfather of the Earl Grey who was known
    for both the tea and the Grey Cup.

    D2. Orangeville, Ontario, is the county seat of which county?
    Hint: The name resembles a major street in Toronto.

    Dufferin. 4 for Stephen.


    * E. Lakes at Interesting Elevations

    E1. This body of water in Venezuela is sometimes called the
    largest lake in South America, but it's practically at sea
    level and receives ocean water at high tide, so arguably
    it's not a lake at all. In any case, what's its name?

    Lake Maracaibo. 4 for Dan Blum and Stephen.

    E2. The other candidate for the largest lake in South America
    is so far above sea level that it's the world's highest
    lake navigable by large ships. What's its name?

    Lake Titicaca. 4 for everyone.

    It's in Bolivia and Peru, at about 12,500 feet elevation.


    * F. Artificial Lakes

    F1. Lake Mead was created by damming what river?

    Colorado. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Stephen, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    F2. Lake Nasser was created by damming what river?

    Nile. 4 for everyone.


    ** Round 3 - Miscellaneous


    * A. Culinary Terms

    A1. What word means to lightly coat uncooked food with a dry
    mixture, typically flour, cornmeal, or bread crumbs?

    Dredge. 4 for Dan Blum, Stephen, and Pete.

    A2. What word means a thick creamy soup, with a base of strained
    broth of shellfish or game?

    Bisque. 4 for Stephen.


    * B. The Exception to the Pattern

    B1. Sue Grafton wrote 25 novels about Kinsey Millhone. The
    first and last titles were "A is for Alibi" and "Y is for
    Yesterday", and most of the rest followed the same pattern
    in alphabetical order. But the 24th book, in 2015, did
    not fit the pattern. What was its full title?

    "X". 4 for Joshua and Stephen.

    B2. Once the term "Super Bowl" became official, it became
    customary to refer to the annual instances of the game using
    Roman numerals in sequence, for example "Super Bowl XIV".
    But again, in 2015 an exception to the pattern was made.
    What did they call the game that year?

    Super Bowl 50. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Stephen, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    Apparently I meant to say "in the 2015 season" there. Sorry.


    * C. Crossword Words

    These questions were stolen from a recent "Toronto Star" crossword.
    If you disagree with the clue, please take it up with the "Star".
    In each case, we give you the clue, the number of letters, and
    one letter you're supposed to have already filled in in the grid.
    You give the exact answer that would go into the puzzle solution.
    Example: we say "Add yeast, 6 letters, 2nd letter is E"; you
    say LEAVEN.

    C1. "Ancient port near Carthage or a town in New York State."
    5 letters, 2nd letter is T.

    UTICA. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Stephen, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    Ithaca is an island in Greece, not an ancient port near Carthage,
    and is 6 letters long.

    C2. "Put in chains." 7 letters, 3rd letter is S.

    ENSLAVE, but I also accepted ENSNARE. So, 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum,
    Stephen, and Pete.


    * D. Gaza

    D1. The Gaza Strip has been much in the news in recent weeks.
    What is its area, within 5% of the true number in either
    direction?

    Different sources give numbers from 360 to 365 kmē: Accepting 342-402
    kmē, 125-155 sq. mi., or 80,060-99,213 acres. 4 for Stephen.

    Nobody else came within a factor of 4 of the true answer -- two people
    guessed too high, one too low.

    D2. In 2005 Israel withdrew from military occupation of Gaza,
    including the removal of settlers. Which Israeli prime
    minister proposed, and was eventually able to implement,
    the withdrawal?

    Ariel Sharon ["AH-ree-el sha-ROHN"]. 4 for Joshua, Erland,
    and Stephen. 3 for Pete.


    * E. Prizes Established

    E1. What year, within 5, were the first Pulitzer ["PULL-it-zer"]
    Prizes given out?

    1917 (accepting 1912-22). 4 for Joshua and Stephen. 2 for Pete.

    E2. What year, within 5, were the first Nobel Prizes given out?

    1901 (accepting 1896-1906). 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Erland, Stephen,
    and Dan Tilque. 2 for Pete.


    * F. Indian Numbers

    F1. In India they generally do not express large numbers
    in millions. What we call a million, they would call how
    many lakhs?

    10. 4 for Dan Blum, Erland, Stephen, and Dan Tilque. 2 for Joshua.

    F2. In India, one crore [rhymes with "bore"] equals how many
    lakhs?

    100. 4 for Erland, Stephen, and Dan Tilque. 2 for Joshua.

    Fun fact: The title of the Indian edition of "Who Wants to Be a
    Millionaire" uses the word "Crorepati": a person with 10 million
    rupees -- which they would write numerically not as "10,000,000"
    with commas for millions and thousands, but as "1,00,00,000" with
    commas for crores, lakhs, and thousands.


    Scores, if there are no errors:

    FINAL ROUNDS-> 2 3 TOTALS
    TOPICS-> Geo Mis
    Stephen Perry 44 48 92
    Joshua Kreitzer 30 32 62
    Dan Blum 36 24 60
    Pete Gayde 28 23 51
    Dan Tilque 24 20 44
    Erland Sommarskog 24 16 40

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    Mark Brader | "If you have to go in, you go in.
    Toronto | The choice was made the day you took your oath." msb@vex.net | --Dan Duddy, New York Fire Department

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