• QFTCIMM24 Game 8, Rounds 7-8: forensic science, ex-Olympic sports

    From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 22 04:24:38 2024
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    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    2. Developed in 1937 for crime scene investigation, this chemical
    emits a blue glow in the presence of trace amounts of blood, even
    when applied to a surface that has been washed with bleach and
    painted over.

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is
    cyanoacrylate known?

    4. Before fingerprints were established as the best organizing
    principle for keeping records of arrestees, this Frenchman
    established a system based on 5 measurements -- beginning with
    head length and head breadth. Name him.

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    6. The first matching-materials case: In 1784, John Toms was
    convicted of fatally shooting a man in the head. A scrap of torn
    newspaper in Toms's pocket was found to match another scrap of
    newspaper found where?

    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    8. What do we call the science of the propulsion, flight, and impact of projectiles?

    9. In the 1830s, James Marsh developed a test that could detect 1/50
    of a milligram of which poison?

    10. The word "forensic" derives from the place where at one time
    criminal charges were debated. What place?


    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    In 1921, it wasn't the IOC that decided which sports were "Olympic"
    and which were not. Here are 10 questions about official medal
    events that made brief appearances in the early days.

    1. This sport was played just once, in 1900. In the end, only
    two teams actually played: Great Britain and France (most of whom
    were expat Brits anyway). Britain won by a score of 262-104.
    What sport?

    2. in 1900, a shooting competition used live animals as targets.
    Over 300 were killed, leaving such a mess that the competition
    was discontinued. What animal were they shooting at?

    3. You'll still find this sport in the Olympics today, but in 1896,
    and only 1896, there was a one-handed variation. What sport?

    4. In the Games of 1904, this sport avoided unintentional deaths by
    using a plaster dummy. In the Intercalated Games of 1906,
    two live people competed against each other, making the dummy
    unnecessary; however, wax bullets were used. What was the sport?

    5. This sport appeared as an official contest only twice -- in 1904
    and 1908. Canada won both times. But another Canadian
    Indigenous team also competed, winning bronze. Which sport?

    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    8. From 1896 to 1932, one of the gymnastics competitions had
    athletes start from a sitting position and reaching a height
    of 24 feet. The fastest time, usually between 7 and 15 seconds,
    would win. What was the sport?

    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    10. Another series of competitions weren't sports but rather
    inspired by them. Often called the "Pentathlon of the Muses",
    it was held in every Olympics from 1912 to 1948. What was
    this non-sport?

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  • From Dan Blum@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Wed May 22 04:44:17 2024
    Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote:

    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    France; United Kingdom

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is cyanoacrylate known?

    superglue

    4. Before fingerprints were established as the best organizing
    principle for keeping records of arrestees, this Frenchman
    established a system based on 5 measurements -- beginning with
    head length and head breadth. Name him.

    Vidocq

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    DNA

    6. The first matching-materials case: In 1784, John Toms was
    convicted of fatally shooting a man in the head. A scrap of torn
    newspaper in Toms's pocket was found to match another scrap of
    newspaper found where?

    under the victim

    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    pathology

    9. In the 1830s, James Marsh developed a test that could detect 1/50
    of a milligram of which poison?

    arsenic

    10. The word "forensic" derives from the place where at one time
    criminal charges were debated. What place?

    Forum

    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    1. This sport was played just once, in 1900. In the end, only
    two teams actually played: Great Britain and France (most of whom
    were expat Brits anyway). Britain won by a score of 262-104.
    What sport?

    cricket

    2. in 1900, a shooting competition used live animals as targets.
    Over 300 were killed, leaving such a mess that the competition
    was discontinued. What animal were they shooting at?

    pigeons

    4. In the Games of 1904, this sport avoided unintentional deaths by
    using a plaster dummy. In the Intercalated Games of 1906,
    two live people competed against each other, making the dummy
    unnecessary; however, wax bullets were used. What was the sport?

    pistol dueling

    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    croquet

    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    pole climbing

    8. From 1896 to 1932, one of the gymnastics competitions had
    athletes start from a sitting position and reaching a height
    of 24 feet. The fastest time, usually between 7 and 15 seconds,
    would win. What was the sport?

    tope climbing

    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    mountain climbing

    10. Another series of competitions weren't sports but rather
    inspired by them. Often called the "Pentathlon of the Muses",
    it was held in every Olympics from 1912 to 1948. What was
    this non-sport?

    extemporizing poetry

    --
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Dan Blum tool@panix.com
    "I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

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  • From Joshua Kreitzer@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Wed May 22 01:20:02 2024
    On 5/21/2024 11:24 PM, Mark Brader wrote:

    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    UK; USA

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is cyanoacrylate known?

    Super Glue

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    DNA

    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    forensic medicine

    8. What do we call the science of the propulsion, flight, and impact of projectiles?

    ballistics

    10. The word "forensic" derives from the place where at one time
    criminal charges were debated. What place?

    forum; court

    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    In 1921, it wasn't the IOC that decided which sports were "Olympic"
    and which were not. Here are 10 questions about official medal
    events that made brief appearances in the early days.

    1. This sport was played just once, in 1900. In the end, only
    two teams actually played: Great Britain and France (most of whom
    were expat Brits anyway). Britain won by a score of 262-104.
    What sport?

    cricket

    2. in 1900, a shooting competition used live animals as targets.
    Over 300 were killed, leaving such a mess that the competition
    was discontinued. What animal were they shooting at?

    pigeons

    3. You'll still find this sport in the Olympics today, but in 1896,
    and only 1896, there was a one-handed variation. What sport?

    hammer throw

    4. In the Games of 1904, this sport avoided unintentional deaths by
    using a plaster dummy. In the Intercalated Games of 1906,
    two live people competed against each other, making the dummy
    unnecessary; however, wax bullets were used. What was the sport?

    pistol dueling

    5. This sport appeared as an official contest only twice -- in 1904
    and 1908. Canada won both times. But another Canadian
    Indigenous team also competed, winning bronze. Which sport?

    lacrosse

    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    croquet; roque

    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    tug of war

    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    mountain climbing

    10. Another series of competitions weren't sports but rather
    inspired by them. Often called the "Pentathlon of the Muses",
    it was held in every Olympics from 1912 to 1948. What was > this non-sport?
    artistic competitions

    --
    Joshua Kreitzer
    gromit82@hotmail.com

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  • From Erland Sommarskog@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Wed May 22 21:29:51 2024
    Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:
    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    UK; USA

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is cyanoacrylate known?

    Celluloid

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    DNA

    6. The first matching-materials case: In 1784, John Toms was
    convicted of fatally shooting a man in the head. A scrap of torn
    newspaper in Toms's pocket was found to match another scrap of
    newspaper found where?

    On or close to the victim.

    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    Pathology

    8. What do we call the science of the propulsion, flight, and impact of projectiles?

    Ballistics

    9. In the 1830s, James Marsh developed a test that could detect 1/50
    of a milligram of which poison?

    Arsenic

    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    3. You'll still find this sport in the Olympics today, but in 1896,
    and only 1896, there was a one-handed variation. What sport?

    Javelin

    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    Croquet

    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    Tug-of-war

    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    Mountaineering

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  • From Dan Tilque@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Wed May 22 22:23:43 2024
    On 5/21/24 21:24, Mark Brader wrote:


    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    2. Developed in 1937 for crime scene investigation, this chemical
    emits a blue glow in the presence of trace amounts of blood, even
    when applied to a surface that has been washed with bleach and
    painted over.

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is cyanoacrylate known?

    4. Before fingerprints were established as the best organizing
    principle for keeping records of arrestees, this Frenchman
    established a system based on 5 measurements -- beginning with
    head length and head breadth. Name him.

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    DNA


    6. The first matching-materials case: In 1784, John Toms was
    convicted of fatally shooting a man in the head. A scrap of torn
    newspaper in Toms's pocket was found to match another scrap of
    newspaper found where?

    in his victim's hand


    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    8. What do we call the science of the propulsion, flight, and impact of projectiles?

    ballistics


    9. In the 1830s, James Marsh developed a test that could detect 1/50
    of a milligram of which poison?

    10. The word "forensic" derives from the place where at one time
    criminal charges were debated. What place?


    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    In 1921, it wasn't the IOC that decided which sports were "Olympic"
    and which were not. Here are 10 questions about official medal
    events that made brief appearances in the early days.

    1. This sport was played just once, in 1900. In the end, only
    two teams actually played: Great Britain and France (most of whom
    were expat Brits anyway). Britain won by a score of 262-104.
    What sport?

    cricket


    2. in 1900, a shooting competition used live animals as targets.
    Over 300 were killed, leaving such a mess that the competition
    was discontinued. What animal were they shooting at?

    pigeons


    3. You'll still find this sport in the Olympics today, but in 1896,
    and only 1896, there was a one-handed variation. What sport?

    4. In the Games of 1904, this sport avoided unintentional deaths by
    using a plaster dummy. In the Intercalated Games of 1906,
    two live people competed against each other, making the dummy
    unnecessary; however, wax bullets were used. What was the sport?

    5. This sport appeared as an official contest only twice -- in 1904
    and 1908. Canada won both times. But another Canadian
    Indigenous team also competed, winning bronze. Which sport?

    lacrosse


    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    croquet


    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    dodgeball


    8. From 1896 to 1932, one of the gymnastics competitions had
    athletes start from a sitting position and reaching a height
    of 24 feet. The fastest time, usually between 7 and 15 seconds,
    would win. What was the sport?

    rope climbing


    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    mountain climbing


    10. Another series of competitions weren't sports but rather
    inspired by them. Often called the "Pentathlon of the Muses",
    it was held in every Olympics from 1912 to 1948. What was
    this non-sport?

    poetry writing

    --
    Dan Tilque

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 07:32:37 2024
    Mark Brader:
    These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2024-03-25,
    and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
    please see my 2023-05-24 companion posting on "Questions from the
    Canadian Inquisition (QFTCI*)".


    * Game 8, Round 7 - Science - Forensic Science

    1. In 1910, the world's first crime lab was established. In what
    country?

    France. (In Lyon.) 3 for Dan Blum.

    2. Developed in 1937 for crime scene investigation, this chemical
    emits a blue glow in the presence of trace amounts of blood, even
    when applied to a surface that has been washed with bleach and
    painted over.

    Luminol.

    3. Cyanoacrylate is commonly marketed for a purpose that has
    nothing to do with forensics. In the 1970s, however, it was found
    useful in revealing latent fingerprints. By what product name is cyanoacrylate known?

    Superglue or Krazy Glue. 4 for Dan Blum and Joshua.

    4. Before fingerprints were established as the best organizing
    principle for keeping records of arrestees, this Frenchman
    established a system based on 5 measurements -- beginning with
    head length and head breadth. Name him.

    Alphonse Bertillon.

    5. In 1988, English rape-murderer Colin Pitchfork was the first person convicted on the basis of what kind of evidence?

    DNA. 4 for everyone -- Dan Blum, Joshua, Erland, Dan Tilque,
    and Pete.

    6. The first matching-materials case: In 1784, John Toms was
    convicted of fatally shooting a man in the head. A scrap of torn
    newspaper in Toms's pocket was found to match another scrap of
    newspaper found where?

    In the fatal wound. 3 for Erland.

    The flintlock pistols of that era didn't take cartridges; they
    were loaded by pouring in gunpowder, then adding a ball, then using
    wadding -- a bit of scrap cloth or paper -- to keep the load in place.

    Maybe it wasn't a newspaper, though -- different accounts of the
    case on the Internet various say it was a newspaper, a broadside,
    or a song sheet. It was the paper in his pocket, anyway.

    7. What is the name of that branch of medicine that examines the
    bodies of individuals that have died violent or suspicious deaths? Practitioners determine the identify of a body and the cause of death.

    Pathology. 4 for Dan Blum and Erland.

    8. What do we call the science of the propulsion, flight, and impact of projectiles?

    Ballistics. 4 for Joshua, Erland, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    9. In the 1830s, James Marsh developed a test that could detect 1/50
    of a milligram of which poison?

    Arsenic. 4 for Dan Blum and Erland.

    10. The word "forensic" derives from the place where at one time
    criminal charges were debated. What place?

    The Forum. 4 for Dan Blum. 3 for Joshua.


    * Game 8, Round 8 - Sports that Didn't Make the Cut

    In 1921, it wasn't the IOC that decided which sports were "Olympic"
    and which were not. Here are 10 questions about official medal
    events that made brief appearances in the early days.

    In the original game, this was tied for the easiest round with
    Round 2, the book titles from verses.

    1. This sport was played just once, in 1900. In the end, only
    two teams actually played: Great Britain and France (most of whom
    were expat Brits anyway). Britain won by a score of 262-104.
    What sport?

    Cricket. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, and Dan Tilque. 3 for Pete.

    2. in 1900, a shooting competition used live animals as targets.
    Over 300 were killed, leaving such a mess that the competition
    was discontinued. What animal were they shooting at?

    Pigeons. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    3. You'll still find this sport in the Olympics today, but in 1896,
    and only 1896, there was a one-handed variation. What sport?

    Weightlifting. 4 for Pete.

    4. In the Games of 1904, this sport avoided unintentional deaths by
    using a plaster dummy. In the Intercalated Games of 1906,
    two live people competed against each other, making the dummy
    unnecessary; however, wax bullets were used. What was the sport?

    Pistol dueling. 4 for Dan Blum and Joshua.

    5. This sport appeared as an official contest only twice -- in 1904
    and 1908. Canada won both times. But another Canadian
    Indigenous team also competed, winning bronze. Which sport?

    Lacrosse. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    It also reappeared as a demonstration sport in 1932.

    6. The 1900 Olympics saw a number of women in competition in golf,
    tennis, and this sport -- a typically leisurely, genteel pastime
    using mallets and balls. One reason it was discontinued may
    have been that it was so boring -- only one spectator showed up.
    What sport was it?

    Croquet. 4 for Dan Blum, Erland, Dan Tilque, and Pete. 3 for Joshua.

    7. This sport lasted from 1900 to 1920. A simple contest -- two
    teams facing off against each other. Great Britain tended
    to be represented by the London and Liverpool Police Forces.
    Liverpool was accused of violating one of the rules that banned
    "prepared boots or shoes with any protruding nails". What was
    the sport?

    Tug-of-war. 4 for Joshua, Erland, and Pete.

    8. From 1896 to 1932, one of the gymnastics competitions had
    athletes start from a sitting position and reaching a height
    of 24 feet. The fastest time, usually between 7 and 15 seconds,
    would win. What was the sport?

    Rope-climbing. 4 for Dan Blum, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    9. In 1924, 1932, and 1936 just one medal was awarded each time
    for this category, as it was more of a recognition of a major
    feat rather than a competition. The event didn't actually
    occur during the games or even in the country where the games
    were held. One year the British failed in their attempt when
    7 of their team died in an avalanche, What was the sport?

    Alpinism (mountain-climbing). 4 for everyone.

    10. Another series of competitions weren't sports but rather
    inspired by them. Often called the "Pentathlon of the Muses",
    it was held in every Olympics from 1912 to 1948. What was
    this non-sport?

    Arts competitions. Specifically, architecture, literature, music,
    painting, and sculpture -- in each case relating to sports.
    No poetry, but I scored it as almost correct since it's a form
    of literature. 4 for Joshua. 3 for Dan Blum and Dan Tilque.


    Scores, if there are no errors:

    GAME 8 ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 6 7 8 BEST
    TOPICS-> Lit Ent Geo His Sci Spo FOUR
    Joshua Kreitzer 36 32 36 16 15 31 135
    Dan Blum 36 28 28 12 23 27 119
    Dan Tilque 32 20 32 12 8 27 111
    Erland Sommarskog -- -- 36 16 19 12 83
    Pete Gayde -- -- 11 8 8 31 58

    --
    Mark Brader | "The right thinks the individual
    Toronto | isn't important enough to make the decisions
    msb@vex.net | and the left thinks that decisions are
    | too important to be left to the individual." --Nick Atty

    My text in this article is in the public domain.

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