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  • Please show respect for our endangered species

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 13:33:57 2022
    They're not dangerous to humans if lived alone, and they're the
    second largest living rodent. If you do think it's a beaver,
    don't be afraid to stand up for them by saying so.

    XGID=-bCBBCC-----------abbdbbB-:0:0:1:00:0:7:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:0 O:7. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 101 O: 103 X-O: 0-7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 13:35:34 2022
    "lived alone" -> "left alone"

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Mon May 9 22:40:35 2022
    On 5/9/2022 4:33 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    They're not dangerous to humans if lived alone, and they're the
    second largest living rodent. If you do think it's a beaver,
    don't be afraid to stand up for them by saying so.

    XGID=-bCBBCC-----------abbdbbB-:0:0:1:00:0:7:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:0 O:7. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 101 O: 103 X-O: 0-7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    A symmetrical priming position is usually ND/T. This position is
    not symmetrical and the biggest difference, namely the blot on O's
    7pt, favors X. If X rolls a 6 now then his gammon chances are very
    good. I think it should still be a take, though, because if he does
    not roll a 6 (or 55) then his position will deteriorate and O will
    have good chances. I'd say D/T.

    ---
    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Tue May 10 15:31:44 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 11:28:11 PM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:40:38 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 5/9/2022 4:33 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    They're not dangerous to humans if lived alone, and they're the
    second largest living rodent. If you do think it's a beaver,
    don't be afraid to stand up for them by saying so.

    XGID=-bCBBCC-----------abbdbbB-:0:0:1:00:0:7:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:0 O:7. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 101 O: 103 X-O: 0-7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    A symmetrical priming position is usually ND/T. This position is
    not symmetrical and the biggest difference, namely the blot on O's
    7pt, favors X. If X rolls a 6 now then his gammon chances are very
    good. I think it should still be a take, though, because if he does
    not roll a 6 (or 55) then his position will deteriorate and O will
    have good chances. I'd say D/T.
    I think both Tim and I weren't being sufficiently environmentally friendly, here.
    Beavering is only slightly wrong, and should be considered.
    It's a big ND/T and double/beaver is better for X than D/T.


    I messed up the logic. I meant that double/beaver (while wrong on both sides) is better for O than if X correctly holds.

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Tue May 10 15:28:09 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:40:38 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 5/9/2022 4:33 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    They're not dangerous to humans if lived alone, and they're the
    second largest living rodent. If you do think it's a beaver,
    don't be afraid to stand up for them by saying so.

    XGID=-bCBBCC-----------abbdbbB-:0:0:1:00:0:7:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:0 O:7. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 101 O: 103 X-O: 0-7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    A symmetrical priming position is usually ND/T. This position is
    not symmetrical and the biggest difference, namely the blot on O's
    7pt, favors X. If X rolls a 6 now then his gammon chances are very
    good. I think it should still be a take, though, because if he does
    not roll a 6 (or 55) then his position will deteriorate and O will
    have good chances. I'd say D/T.

    I think both Tim and I weren't being sufficiently environmentally friendly, here.
    Beavering is only slightly wrong, and should be considered.
    It's a big ND/T and double/beaver is better for X than D/T.
    I was very surprised, because I was quite confident in my double (although
    I was also quite sure about the take.)

    Paul

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 55.35% (G:15.49% B:0.99%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 44.65% (G:9.35% B:0.39%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 55.49% (G:15.74% B:1.09%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 44.51% (G:9.38% B:0.37%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.174, Double=+0.361

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.184
    Double/Take: +0.042 (-0.142)
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.816)

    Best Cube action: No double / Take
    Percentage of wrong pass needed to make the double decision right: 12.9%

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.008 (+0.176..+0.191)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.014 (+0.028..+0.056)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Beaver Decision confidence: 100.0%

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