Thursday: Magnus Carlsen accepts FIDE GOAT Award.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to Vladimir Fedoseev at the Olympiad.

Thursday: Margnus Carlsen urges FIDE to uphold restrictions against the
Russian chess federation.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to a Russian representing Slovenia.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-accepts-goat-award-urges-fide-to-reject-proposal-on-russia-belarus

Who said chess doesn't do irony ?

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On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

Thursday: Magnus Carlsen accepts FIDE GOAT Award.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to Vladimir Fedoseev at the Olympiad.

Thursday: Margnus Carlsen urges FIDE to uphold restrictions against the Russian chess federation.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to a Russian representing Slovenia.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-accepts-goat-award-urges-fide-to-reject-proposal-on-russia-belarus

Who said chess doesn't do irony ?

It is strange to give such an award to someone who is still active. I
agree with Magnus. Let russia and whiterussia first stop the war in
Ukraine, and then they start to play again.

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D wrote:

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

Thursday: Magnus Carlsen accepts FIDE GOAT Award.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to Vladimir Fedoseev at the
Olympiad.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-accepts-goat-award-urges-fide-to-reject-proposal-on-russia-belarus

It is strange to give such an award to someone who is still
active

Yeah,I thought that too... maybe it's FIDE massaging Carlsen's
ego a bit and hoping to get him back in to the fold?

I agree with Magnus.

I agree with Magnus too, Garry Kasparov is probably more
deserving of the title... at this moment in time anyway.

Let russia and whiterussia first stop the war
in Ukraine, and then they start to play again.

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

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Silver Skull wrote:

Thursday: Magnus Carlsen accepts FIDE GOAT Award.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to Vladimir Fedoseev at the
Olympiad.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-accepts-goat-award-urges-fide-to-reject-proposal-on-russia-belarus

Who said chess doesn't do irony ?

Irony or bribery?! ;-)

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

D wrote:

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

Thursday: Magnus Carlsen accepts FIDE GOAT Award.
Friday: Magnus Carlsen loses to Vladimir Fedoseev at the
Olympiad.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/carlsen-accepts-goat-award-urges-fide-to-reject-proposal-on-russia-belarus

It is strange to give such an award to someone who is still
active

Yeah,I thought that too... maybe it's FIDE massaging Carlsen's
ego a bit and hoping to get him back in to the fold?

Ahh... maybe they are starting to fear that Magnus will one day start his
own organization and steal all the action? ;)

I agree with Magnus.

I agree with Magnus too, Garry Kasparov is probably more
deserving of the title... at this moment in time anyway.

Let russia and whiterussia first stop the war
in Ukraine, and then they start to play again.

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

This is true. It is more about the symbol than the actual outcome for me.

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D wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

D wrote:

Let russia and whiterussia first stop the war
in Ukraine, and then they start to play again.

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

This is true. It is more about the symbol than the actual
outcome for me.

As chess players are individuals and [generally] play for
themselves I don't see that it matters what flag is used beside
their name. Banning the Russian chess federation doesn't stop
Russian players from playing chess around the world, so it's
kind of a pointless ban and yes, it is more about being seen to
'do they right thing' than having any real effect on the major
Russian chess players per se.

But because of the current ban, Russian chess players can't
represent their country, but a Russian (Arkady Dvorkovich) can
hold the top job in FIDE. Go figure!

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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:46:05 GMT, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

I assume you're ignoring the Soviet GMs who emigrated to
Israel?

It's not just the Russia 'thing'. I have a problem with FIDE
allowing players to change their 'nationalities' on a whim... or
because the players got paid to do so, no matter who they are or
where they originate from. Look at the USA team at the recent
Olympiad... four out of the five players have represented other
nations at previous chess Olympiads.

Personally I think it's too easy to swap nationalities. The
rules need to be tighter.

I am not FIDE though, so its just one man's opinion!

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:46:05 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

I assume you're ignoring the Soviet GMs who emigrated to Israel?

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:14:10 -0500, Altered Beast
<j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

The Horny Goat wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:46:05 GMT, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The way the World Chess Federation lets players swap
'nationalities' willy-nilly it doesn't matter either way...
Russian players will just play for other 'nations'.

I assume you're ignoring the Soviet GMs who emigrated to
Israel?

It's not just the Russia 'thing'. I have a problem with FIDE
allowing players to change their 'nationalities' on a whim... or
because the players got paid to do so, no matter who they are or
where they originate from. Look at the USA team at the recent
Olympiad... four out of the five players have represented other
nations at previous chess Olympiads.

Personally I think it's too easy to swap nationalities. The
rules need to be tighter.

I am not FIDE though, so its just one man's opinion!

I find it enormously liberating.

I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this since I'm Chess Federation
of Canada Secretary and it's a rare week I don't get at least one
e-mail from some foreign federation asking for a FIDE ID for some
player I've never heard of before nor is listed on our national rating
list. (For the record, in MOST federations they have an executive
position called "FIDE Representative" or equivalent and they're the
person FIDE related inquiries are supposed to go to. The National
Secretary's role is to be the liaison to the provincial federations
and to the national board of governors and executive - basically I get
handed all sorts of interesting things the president can't do either
because he's out of town (for instance I expect to hear from him
before the weekend when he gets home from the Olympiad) or
occasionally some other more obscure reason.)

For instance my USCF opposite number would be
Mike Hoffpauir - though since the USCF staff is larger than the CFC's
I would expect he doesn't get hit with as many inquiries as I do
(though like me he is an International Arbiter which for me at least
helps me understand how FIDE actually works <grin>)

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Altered Beast wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

It's not just the Russia 'thing'. I have a problem with FIDE
allowing players to change their 'nationalities' on a
whim... or because the players got paid to do so, no matter
who they are or where they originate from. Look at the USA
team at the recent Olympiad... four out of the five players
have represented other nations at previous chess Olympiads.

Personally I think it's too easy to swap nationalities. The
rules need to be tighter.

I am not FIDE though, so its just one man's opinion!

I find it enormously liberating.

That's one way of looking at it, and for some players I'm sure
it is liberating... like during wars and conflict situations
etc. Being able to play under the FIDE flag kind of covers those
situations though.

But as I said, generally I think it's just too easy to change
federations, an on some occasions, change back even! I'd
like the rules for swapping federations to be a bit tighter as
chess federation 'nationalities' seem to be used as flags of
convenience at times.

Of course, every time a player registers with a new chess
federation FIDE get a "Transfer fee", so I'm not expecting any
change to the rules... Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:14:10 -0500, Altered Beast
<j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

Personally I think it's too easy to swap nationalities. The
rules need to be tighter.

I am not FIDE though, so its just one man's opinion!

I find it enormously liberating.

I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this since

Everyone is allowed an opinion, this is not Russia!

Especially as FIDE won't know who "The Horny Goat" is.

I'm Chess Federation of Canada Secretary

<face palm> Now you've gone and done it...

You'll have to stay there now! Your application for the
undercover agent vacancy at MI6's Usenet Penetration Dept
has just been tossed in to the bin at Vauxhall Cross.

[Snip]

For instance my USCF opposite number would be
Mike Hoffpauir - though since the USCF staff is larger than
the CFC's I would expect he doesn't get hit with as many
inquiries as I do (though like me he is an International
Arbiter which for me at least helps me understand how FIDE
actually works <grin>)

Tell Mr Hoffpauir to post here... he could use a 'handle' and
nobody would know it was him! We could have some "Inside FIDE"
type discussions to liven the place up for the cold winter
months ahead*... maybe we'd even understand how FIDE works
then!!! ;-)

We'll show those YouTubers how the oldies do it.


[*Swap for, 'hot summer months' if you are reading this in the
southern hemisphere.]

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:19:41 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

The Horny Goat wrote:

at least helps me understand how FIDE actually
works <grin>

Tell Mr Hoffpauir to post here... he could use a 'handle' and
nobody would know it was him! We could have some "Inside FIDE"
type discussions to liven the place up for the cold winter
months ahead*... maybe we'd even understand how FIDE works
then!!! ;-)

{ Cynical mode ON }

Inside FIDE ? I doubt our beloved international chess federation want
random dudes on the internet inside the complicated workings of their
esteemed organization.

And most certainly not understanding them !

{ Cynical mode OFF }

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:19:41 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

Everyone is allowed an opinion, this is not Russia!

Especially as FIDE won't know who "The Horny Goat" is.

I'm Chess Federation of Canada Secretary

<face palm> Now you've gone and done it...

You'll have to stay there now! Your application for the
undercover agent vacancy at MI6's Usenet Penetration Dept
has just been tossed in to the bin at Vauxhall Cross.

If you look at my message headers you'll see what was my e-mail
address some 15 years ago. My ISP (same then as now) acquired their
own mail server and required all customers to change to 'shaw.ca' but
I've kept the original address on Usenet to discourage spam.

When you have both an extremely rare first name and last name you tend
to have a different attitude about online privacy to most people with
more common names. (i.e. I'd LIKE more privacy online but
realistically with my name that's difficult to expect)

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:19:41 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

Everyone is allowed an opinion, this is not Russia!

Especially as FIDE won't know who "The Horny Goat" is.

I'm Chess Federation of Canada Secretary

<face palm> Now you've gone and done it...

You'll have to stay there now! Your application for the
undercover agent vacancy at MI6's Usenet Penetration Dept
has just been tossed in to the bin at Vauxhall Cross.

If you look at my message headers you'll see what was my e-mail
address some 15 years ago. My ISP (same then as now) acquired their
own mail server and required all customers to change to 'shaw.ca' but
I've kept the original address on Usenet to discourage spam.

When you have both an extremely rare first name and last name you tend
to have a different attitude about online privacy to most people with
more common names. (i.e. I'd LIKE more privacy online but
realistically with my name that's difficult to expect)

That's a very nice position to have. I would love for more people to value privacy in this day and age. I fear for the future if the current trend of anti-privacy continues. I would not like to have chinas social credit
score system in europe.

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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:19:41 GMT, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

Everyone is allowed an opinion, this is not Russia!

Especially as FIDE won't know who "The Horny Goat" is.

I'm Chess Federation of Canada Secretary

<face palm> Now you've gone and done it...

You'll have to stay there now! Your application for the
undercover agent vacancy at MI6's Usenet Penetration Dept
has just been tossed in to the bin at Vauxhall Cross.

If you look at my message headers you'll see what was my e-mail
address some 15 years ago. My ISP (same then as now) acquired
their own mail server and required all customers to change to
'shaw.ca' but I've kept the original address on Usenet to
discourage spam.

When you have both an extremely rare first name and last name
you tend to have a different attitude about online privacy to
most people with more common names. (i.e. I'd LIKE more
privacy online but realistically with my name that's difficult
to expect)

<VBG>

I don't check headers of Usenet posts or look-up people's
e-mail addresses unless I'm reading a newsgroup with spam and
need to killfile somebody. Everyone who posts responsibly is
taken at face value. You are "The Horny Goat" as far as I am
concerned... and no, I won't be asking why!

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On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:22:31 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

I don't check headers of Usenet posts or look-up people's
e-mail addresses unless I'm reading a newsgroup with spam and
need to killfile somebody. Everyone who posts responsibly is
taken at face value. You are "The Horny Goat" as far as I am
concerned... and no, I won't be asking why!

The real reason was that my original pseudonym was 'Aiken Drum' the
anti hero from Julian May's The Many Colored Land series (which I read
in depth during grad school back before the dawn of time). Which was a
name I dropped VERY fast after I read that an online user (using the
same online name) in England had been convicted for sex crimes against
kids. 'The Horny Goat' was the character's nickname in those stories.

(My wife walked in on me one time and saw that name and said 'is that
your online nickname?' and when I nodded said 'figures...")

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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:22:31 GMT, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

I don't check headers of Usenet posts or look-up people's
e-mail addresses unless I'm reading a newsgroup with spam and
need to killfile somebody. Everyone who posts responsibly is
taken at face value. You are "The Horny Goat" as far as I am
concerned... and no, I won't be asking why!

The real reason was that my original pseudonym was 'Aiken
Drum' the anti hero from Julian May's The Many Colored Land
series (which I read in depth during grad school back before
the dawn of time). Which was a name I dropped VERY fast after
I read that an online user (using the same online name) in
England had been convicted for sex crimes against kids. 'The
Horny Goat' was the character's nickname in those stories.

(My wife walked in on me one time and saw that name and said
'is that your online nickname?' and when I nodded said
'figures...")

She'd know! ;-)

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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:22:31 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

I don't check headers of Usenet posts or look-up people's
e-mail addresses unless I'm reading a newsgroup with spam and
need to killfile somebody. Everyone who posts responsibly is
taken at face value. You are "The Horny Goat" as far as I am
concerned... and no, I won't be asking why!

The real reason was that my original pseudonym was 'Aiken Drum' the
anti hero from Julian May's The Many Colored Land series (which I read
in depth during grad school back before the dawn of time). Which was a
name I dropped VERY fast after I read that an online user (using the
same online name) in England had been convicted for sex crimes against
kids. 'The Horny Goat' was the character's nickname in those stories.

(My wife walked in on me one time and saw that name and said 'is that
your online nickname?' and when I nodded said 'figures...")

Oops! With todays surveillance state that would probably have been a
serious problem instead of a funny anecdote from your youth.

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