• Re: Book review: Chess secrets I learned from the masters by Edward Las

    From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri Oct 11 22:08:01 2024
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    visualize it but after 5-10 moves I'm lost. If the moves are logical and
    obvious (such as capturing something) it is easier for me to visualize and >> follow along, but if the moves are strategic, I quickly forget and have to >> start over.

    Until you are very strong, it's best to play over games with a board. On the other hand, reading games without a board increases your visualization skills.

    This is what my IM friend tells me as well. The problem is that I'm very periodic when it comes to my chess. I might have too much to do for
    months, and then things calm down, and I go for a chess diet for a
    month, then life gets in the way, and no chess for some months. On the
    other hand, you do get the impression that Lasker was kind of chess
    addicted in his youth, so maybe my slow approach is a good thing after
    all! ;)

    Endgame books are perhaps best for this. There are few pieces to keep track of, and in the process you learn endgames, a very valuable skill. I recommend something concise at first, like Averbach's "Chess Endings: Essential Knowledge".

    Yes, I find that either few pieces are good, or extremely "obvious"
    moves, like re-capturing. That's also very easy since it just "flows"
    from the game. But the challenge when going beyond 4-5 moves is to
    remember if that other piece was captured or not, did it move or not?
    That's when it tends to become confusing.

    I learned a lot from this book, especially as it gives games which are far from perfect. Lasker sometimes describes the mental state he was in before a particularly bad blunder, which helps you be alert to similar problems in your own mindset.

    This is one of the things that made this book very different. It is not
    just pure chess strategies, it is chess from a broader perspective, like
    the example above. There are also these common sense gems here and there
    like "don't underestimate your opponent" and "if something seems to be
    too good to be true, then most likely it is" when it comes to not
    capturing obvious pieces.

    Also there is a valuable lesson: before a tournament game don't go drinking with Jacques Mieses until 4 am. I never have.

    Another thing that stuck is a game he goes through (don't remember which
    one) but the lesson was that the winner created complications, by not
    playing the obvious move, to throw the opponent off his game. Probably
    not useful at all for my level, but I love the strategy, especially when
    your opponent is running out of time. It's lovely to then create all
    these options for your opponent to think about, instead of just creating
    one logical move for your opponent where he does in fact not have to
    think, but can just move automatically. Lovely!

    I won a lot of speed games and one tournament game with his comments on the Nimzowitch defense (1e4 Nf6 2d4 e5). This isn't a trappy line where white may lose easily - he can get a perfectly decent game. But players below 2200 will often make one of the positional errors Lasker points out, and black will get easy equality or even a slight edge.

    I've gotten past that section, I think it is in the first 3:rd of the
    book, and one of the games I think I skipped. ;)

    Above all, it's a very enjoyable book.

    Very much so!

    William Hyde



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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sat Oct 12 23:18:33 2024
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    This is what my IM friend tells me as well. The problem is that I'm very
    periodic when it comes to my chess. I might have too much to do for
    months, and then things calm down, and I go for a chess diet for a
    month, then life gets in the way, and no chess for some months. On the
    other hand, you do get the impression that Lasker was kind of chess
    addicted in his youth, so maybe my slow approach is a good thing after
    all! ;)

    On the other hand, Lasker did become a rich man, so his obsession with chess didn't handicap him much.

    Are you sure it wasn't due to his mother protecting him from chess
    during his early years? ;)

    I had to look it up, and it seems as if I'm pretty close to that part of
    the book.

    And as you know, without chess he'd have become a doctor rather than an engineer and would not have become rich.

    Btw, do you feel that chess ever interfered with your own work or have
    you always been able to keep it under control?

    For me it is very much about the people. In an old consulting gig I had,
    there were 3 very nice people who all were interested in chess, and the
    4 of us probably did play a bit too much at times.

    But the gig ended, and so did our chess sessions, so now I'm back to my
    2 times per year (christmas and summer) with my wifes father. I enjoy
    over the board much more than online.


    Endgame books are perhaps best for this.  There are few pieces to keep
    track of, and in the process you learn endgames, a very valuable skill. I >>> recommend something concise at first, like Averbach's "Chess Endings:
    Essential Knowledge".

    Yes, I find that either few pieces are good, or extremely "obvious"
    moves, like re-capturing.

    One lesson I wish I had learned when starting is to pause before recapturing. Once in a while there is a vastly better move out there, and it's the type the opponent will often overlook in his calculations.

    Yes, this is very obvious from studying some of the games in the book. I
    might see a PxP, and then think to myself, ahhh, now the next move will
    be the corresponding recapture, PxP, only to see some move on the other
    side of the board. The recapture then was "saved" since it can always be executed later, if the alternate move creates some threat or something
    the opponent needs to react to.

    That also reminds me when I play 3 or 5 minute games, which I'm bad at
    and don't enjoy. So when stressed, there's always the "fiddle with a
    rook", move an A or H pawn, in between, if I cannot figure out something
    good to do.

    That's also very easy since it just "flows"
    from the game. But the challenge when going beyond 4-5 moves is to
    remember if that other piece was captured or not, did it move or not?
    That's when it tends to become confusing.


    Michael Basman saved a game in just this way. In a poor position he entered a long combination which would be good for his opponent, if after eight moves or so he remembered that his rook was no longer on f8. It appears he did not so remember, and Basman won.

    His opponent was master strength, so there's hope for the rest of us yet!

    Hah, who would have thought?!

    Another thing that stuck is a game he goes through (don't remember which
    one) but the lesson was that the winner created complications, by not
    playing the obvious move, to throw the opponent off his game. Probably
    not useful at all for my level, but I love the strategy, especially when
    your opponent is running out of time It's lovely to then create all
    these options for your opponent to think about, instead of just creating
    one logical move for your opponent where he does in fact not have to
    think, but can just move automatically. Lovely!

    When you are lost, it's always useful to confuse the opponent, even if the move you play isn't the best.

    In my last tournament game, I offered a pawn in a lost position. Declining the pawn won immediately, but the pawn could be taken in three ways. My opponent's thoughts were thus entirely directed to which way the pawn should be taken, not if it should be taken.

    Taking the pawn proved fatal. He could perhaps have drawn, but when you've just thrown away a win your thought processes tend to suffer.

    Wonderful, applause!

    It took the old Fritz program about ten seconds to decline the pawn.

    Computers can be so boring sometimes. ;) But I discovered when I play a
    lot of lichess, that at difficulty 4 or 5 (and this must be at least 2
    years ago or so) the computer would absolutely refuse a queen sacrifice.
    So you could kind of "game" the computer by offering a stupid queen
    sacrifice, and at level 4 or 5 (probably 4) it would on principle refuse
    it, and you would gain by it.

    I think I came up to level 6 out of 8 and that's when it started to get frustrating.

    Oh, and from the book I found this gem:

    "In both countries the youngsters were indoctrinated with the most
    stupid kind of nationalism. The result was that every German boy reached maturity with the conviction that everything in Germany was better than in any other country ; and every French boy reached maturity with the same conviction regarding France. In later years, when I lived in England and in the United States, I was much surprised to find that the same methods were used, as a matter of course, in Anglo-Saxon schools. I do not wonder that we had two world wars."

    It also has an interesting historical dimension as well!




    William Hyde


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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Oct 13 12:09:49 2024
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    And as you know, without chess he'd have become a doctor rather than an
    engineer and would not have become rich.

    Btw, do you feel that chess ever interfered with your own work or have
    you always been able to keep it under control?


    My work has always interfered with my chess.

    I've taken years away from the game, and sometimes my career has taken me to places where I couldn't play much.

    For example, I did my MSc in a town where mostly I played against much weaker players. When I got back to Toronto my speed chess was simply horrible. It took me at least six months to get back to where I had been.

    But didn't it get boring to play against weaker players? The IM I know
    was very reluctant to play, but very happy to watch and constructively
    critique weaker players.

    Then we'd have fun from time to time, having him play without certain
    pieces and he would still win of course.

    Yes, this is very obvious from studying some of the games in the book. I
    might see a PxP, and then think to myself, ahhh, now the next move will
    be the corresponding recapture, PxP, only to see some move on the other
    side of the board. The recapture then was "saved" since it can always be
    executed later, if the alternate move creates some threat or something
    the opponent needs to react to.

    That also reminds me when I play 3 or 5 minute games, which I'm bad at
    and don't enjoy. So when stressed, there's always the "fiddle with a
    rook", move an A or H pawn, in between, if I cannot figure out something
    good to do.

    I used to love these, but my right hand just won't work the mouse fast enough. You will find it easier to move more rapidly if you have some sort of plan in mind. It is difficult to attack rapidly and accurately, easier to defend. The defense often wins on time.

    Yes, that makes perfect sense. For me, I always approached short time
    duration games, like regular games, but with the difference of panic
    after a minute or two, followed by semi-random moves and misplacement of pieces. ;)

    It took the old Fritz program about ten seconds to decline the pawn.

    Computers can be so boring sometimes. ;) But I discovered when I play a
    lot of lichess, that at difficulty 4 or 5 (and this must be at least 2
    years ago or so) the computer would absolutely refuse a queen sacrifice.
    So you could kind of "game" the computer by offering a stupid queen
    sacrifice, and at level 4 or 5 (probably 4) it would on principle refuse
    it, and you would gain by it.

    I may have to give this a try.

    I've noticed that 2200 players regularly make errors that level six would punish. Nonetheless I don't think level six is rated that high.

    Well, this was years ago, so I would expect them to continuously updated
    the AI. But would be fun if this was actually a discovered weakness of
    level 4!

    Reminds me of the documentary Alphago, where a go master discovered a
    bug in the AI, so you could trick it, and then use that to win against
    it.

    It interesting how it illustrates the difference between human and
    machine intelligence. The "trick" seems stupid according to a human
    mind, but the machine, over all, is much better generally. Makes you
    wonder if, deep, deep inside the machine, the machine thinks the human
    mind is stupid for falling against its tricks? ;)

    I think I came up to level 6 out of 8 and that's when it started to get
    frustrating.

    Six is quite tough, thought its actual strength seems to vary according to server usage. I've posted some rotten games against six here in the past.

    Hmm, maybe I should brush up on my Colle and give it a go? I find that
    when you take some time off, studying and thinking, sometimes when you
    come back, it does feel fresh, and it is sometimes also easier to detect progress, than if you play every day.

    It also has an interesting historical dimension as well!

    He was a well rounded individual. Still playing into his 80s, still coming up with original moves.

    Though he never got to Japan, he became a reasonable go player too, for a westerner of his day.

    William Hyde

    I think he is a good writer as well. Despite the games, his book doesn't
    feel dry. I've seen some books aimed at experts with just long walls of
    moves and very little photos to illustrate the positions. I can't even
    start reading those.

    I like Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort Revolutionized by David Rudel, he
    also injects some fun into his book that makes it easier for an amateur
    to read.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Oct 13 22:44:58 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, William Hyde wrote:


    But didn't it get boring to play against weaker players?

    It certainly did. But there was not much else to do in that town but drink.

    A friend did teach me the German card game Skat (also mentioned by Lasker who played with Richard Strauss) and that filled up some time. I played Asian chess with a friend from Malaysia, and go against a pretty good Korean player, giving him rook odds at chess.

    "What is this, quads or something?", asked Andy, my first opponent in Toronto after I made a particularly stupid attacking move (quads means a move worthy of !!!!, generally used sarcastically as few moves are worthy of that). I came to the sudden realization that I had been using crap attacks to beat weaker players, because they worked. Thanks to Andy, I found this out early.

    Ah yes, sounds like you can get into bad habits only playing weaker
    players.

    Hmm, maybe I should brush up on my Colle and give it a go? I find that
    when you take some time off, studying and thinking, sometimes when you
    come back, it does feel fresh, and it is sometimes also easier to detect
    progress, than if you play every day.

    This is true. When I came back after six years off I was 200 points stronger. Then I took six more years off and was 200 points stronger again. I've now taken 30 years off from tournament play. Clearly I am now over 3000.

    That's wonderful! I can feel my own rating climbing as we speak! Perhaps
    I should get into the game again, out of fear of disturbing the
    continuous increase. ;)

    I don't think it's a good idea to play a level that always beats you. Find one where you can win about a quarter of the time.

    That's a good point. If my half-brother and grandfather wouldn't have
    enjoyed constantly beating me at chess when I was 5-7 years old, I would probably have gotten into it seriously at that age.

    As it was, I got tired of them beating me all the time, and quit. Then I
    picked it up again in high school, and then we were a group of people
    and the win ratio was between 30% to 60% depending on the person I would
    play with, and then it was fun again!

    William Hyde


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Tue Oct 15 13:47:03 2024
    William Hyde wrote:


    I don't think it's a good idea to play a level that always
    beats you.

    Wise words.

    Sunday afternoons in my house wouldn't be the same though.

    Find one where you can win about a quarter of the
    time.

    If my siblings have more children, I have a chance! ;-)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Oct 15 22:29:54 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    William Hyde wrote:


    I don't think it's a good idea to play a level that always
    beats you.

    Wise words.

    Sunday afternoons in my house wouldn't be the same though.

    Find one where you can win about a quarter of the
    time.

    If my siblings have more children, I have a chance! ;-)


    Ahh... but you can elevate your game to pre-chess strategy. One tip is to repeatedly have someone call your opponent to wake him up several times
    during the night before. That way he will be tired, and it might be easier
    for you to win! ;)

    You could also try the garlic trick, breathing garlic heavy air or just to
    the "stare" to see if that will make him blunder. ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Oct 20 22:15:34 2024
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:
    Dear rgcm:ers,

    I'm currently about half way through Chess secrets I learned from the
    masters by Edward Lasker.

    I've begun to read the book again. It's as good as I recall.

    I'm at about 65%, and it's still good! In terms of the games, I found the _perfect_ setup. I read those on my computer, with a chess board, always
    on top, in the corner of my screen. No more tough visualization exercises,
    and easy to follow the games, and go back and forth between the moves.
    Strange that I never thought of that way to read chess books before, but I guess my long form reading on my kindle has become such a habit, that I
    didn't even consider going back to reading on the computer again.

    If you want more stories of chess players and chess culture, I recommend

    I sure do! It's an aspect of the game that I find very interesting and
    very entertaining. I can only do so many games and visualizations, so
    these chess culture books are a nice way to enjoy another aspect of the
    game. =)

    Lasker's other books and also:

    "The Reliable Past"

    "Russian Silhouettes"

    Both by GM Sosonko from his New In Chess Column. Most of these are about Soviet players. Sosonko was a dissident whose career was somewhat derailed by his decision to leave the USSR, so you are not getting the party line here. One interview was with Baturinsky, the Party official who ran much of Soviet chess for so long. Even after the fall of the USSR, in an interview in a cold room in a cold city, the ancient ogre is keeping his secrets.

    A third book "Smart Chip from St Petersburg", was not quite as good but well worth reading.

    Then there's "The Bobbby Fischer I knew and other Stories" by GM Arnold Denker and former inhabitant of this group Larry Parr.

    Forget the Fischer bit. Sure, it's a good essay, but the meat of the book is other, less well known, stories. I'm sure the publisher insisted that the word "Fischer" in the title would double sales, and I'm sure that was correct. But the essay on Albert Pinkus was far more interesting, as were others.

    For a very different point of view there's Donner's "The King". This used to be a very expensive book, but last I looked used copies were available.

    All noted! Thank you very much for the recommendations! I did download
    Laskers Chess strategy, so since I like the way the guy writes, that might
    be the next book. Or perhaps the other Laskers chess manual, but I think
    that one was more dense, and less free form writing and anecdotes. I think
    I made it 1/3 of the way last time I tried.


    William Hyde


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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Mon Oct 21 12:37:43 2024
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 15:08:43 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    D wrote:
    Dear rgcm:ers,

    I'm currently about half way through Chess secrets I learned from the
    masters by Edward Lasker.

    I've begun to read the book again. It's as good as I recall.

    If you want more stories of chess players and chess culture, I recommend >Lasker's other books and also:

    "The Reliable Past"

    "Russian Silhouettes"

    Both by GM Sosonko from his New In Chess Column. Most of these are
    about Soviet players. Sosonko was a dissident whose career was somewhat >derailed by his decision to leave the USSR, so you are not getting the
    party line here. One interview was with Baturinsky, the Party official
    who ran much of Soviet chess for so long. Even after the fall of the
    USSR, in an interview in a cold room in a cold city, the ancient ogre is >keeping his secrets.

    A third book "Smart Chip from St Petersburg", was not quite as good but
    well worth reading.

    Then there's "The Bobbby Fischer I knew and other Stories" by GM Arnold >Denker and former inhabitant of this group Larry Parr.

    Forget the Fischer bit. Sure, it's a good essay, but the meat of the
    book is other, less well known, stories. I'm sure the publisher
    insisted that the word "Fischer" in the title would double sales, and
    I'm sure that was correct. But the essay on Albert Pinkus was far more >interesting, as were others.

    For a very different point of view there's Donner's "The King". This
    used to be a very expensive book, but last I looked used copies were >available.

    I'm sure you're right about Fischer's name but realistically it's been
    50 years since the glory days of 1971-72 (in 1971 we had both
    Fischer-Taimanov and a FIDE congress in Vancouver which was held
    concurrently with the Canadian Open - I was 14 then and my parents
    didn't let me go to the match alone though they let me play in the
    Open) and few but us old farts remember Fischer (who I never met but
    did meet Spassky).

    I told the then CFC president 10 years ago that 100 years ago Fischer
    would be best known for invented the digital chess clock which for the
    first time made 'incremental time controls' possible which are
    universal today.

    Stupid question but how many players under age 25 have a clue what
    'your flag fell' even means?

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