• Book review: Finished Chess secrets I learned from the masters by Edwar

    From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:24:54 2024
    Dear rgcm:ers,

    I just finished Chess secrets I learned from the masters by Edward
    Lasker. Thought I'd just write some brief notes in case anyone else
    should be interested in reading.

    The Good:
    * Nice personal stories and anecdotes.
    * The above lead to some nice "life lessons" and strategies (don't drink
    before an important game!).

    The Bad:
    * Due to the format, it's a bit unstructured, so makes it harder to go
    back and find "that" specific lesson.
    * Some games start in the middle, or skip 20 moves in the middle, which
    makes it more painful to follow them.

    Overall, a nice book and I give it a 4 out of 5, since I enjoyed the unstructured format, despite its' drawbacks.

    Usually when chess books become too dry and technical, I stop reading them
    or "fade out". This one I actually read cover to cover. I might have
    skipped a few games (see above) but overall a very good and entertaining
    read!

    Next on the list...

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort Revolutionized A chess
    opening for everyone, since I like the Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems,
    or a lighter book in the form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other
    stories.

    Haven't quite decided yet.

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:56:02 2024
    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like the
    Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book in the
    form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Oct 29 11:56:21 2024
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    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like the
    Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book in the
    form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)


    Thank you for the recommendation. Could you give me a brief review? Why do
    you like it?

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 17:31:33 2024
    D wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like
    the Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book
    in the form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)

    Thank you for the recommendation. Could you give me a brief
    review? Why do you like it?

    I have only just started reading it [Game 2] but it is very
    instructive and most importantly, easy to understand. Maybe not
    for absolute beginners, unless they are using a chess board at
    the same time to play the moves through, as opposed to just
    reading the narrative. I'm probably not going to make much use
    of the tactics in reality, as I'm just following the main lines
    and skipping the variations, but I have always wanted to read
    it. (It's an old book, first published in 1957.) So that will be
    another box ticked when I finish it.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Oct 29 22:01:04 2024
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    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like
    the Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book
    in the form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)

    Thank you for the recommendation. Could you give me a brief
    review? Why do you like it?

    I have only just started reading it [Game 2] but it is very
    instructive and most importantly, easy to understand. Maybe not
    for absolute beginners, unless they are using a chess board at
    the same time to play the moves through, as opposed to just
    reading the narrative. I'm probably not going to make much use
    of the tactics in reality, as I'm just following the main lines
    and skipping the variations, but I have always wanted to read
    it. (It's an old book, first published in 1957.) So that will be
    another box ticked when I finish it.


    Ahh, got it! Yes, I think that at regular hobby levels, a book from 57 or
    even the 30s will work just as well as many modern books.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 22:13:26 2024
    D wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by
    Irving Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current
    read... and it's very good. (And at £7.44 great value
    for money.)

    Thank you for the recommendation. Could you give me a brief
    review? Why do you like it?

    I have only just started reading it [Game 2] but it is very
    instructive and most importantly, easy to understand. Maybe
    not for absolute beginners, unless they are using a chess
    board at the same time to play the moves through, as opposed
    to just reading the narrative. I'm probably not going to
    make much use of the tactics in reality, as I'm just
    following the main lines and skipping the variations, but I
    have always wanted to read it. (It's an old book, first
    published in 1957.) So that will be another box ticked when
    I finish it.

    Ahh, got it! Yes, I think that at regular hobby levels, a book
    from 57 or even the 30s will work just as well as many modern
    books.

    It was always on my list but I never got around to reading it...
    so now I've a Kindle I am using it to catch up on books I
    meant to read, but didn't, especially if I see them cheap on
    Amazon. As I said, this book was only seven quid something on
    Amazon UK, which for a classic chess book is good value for
    money IMO. Plus, I am not cluttering up my [over-full] book
    shelves. Which means less for the grandkids to throw in to the
    dustbin in a few years time! Win/win.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Oct 30 10:35:33 2024
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    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by
    Irving Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current
    read... and it's very good. (And at £7.44 great value
    for money.)

    Thank you for the recommendation. Could you give me a brief
    review? Why do you like it?

    I have only just started reading it [Game 2] but it is very
    instructive and most importantly, easy to understand. Maybe
    not for absolute beginners, unless they are using a chess
    board at the same time to play the moves through, as opposed
    to just reading the narrative. I'm probably not going to
    make much use of the tactics in reality, as I'm just
    following the main lines and skipping the variations, but I
    have always wanted to read it. (It's an old book, first
    published in 1957.) So that will be another box ticked when
    I finish it.

    Ahh, got it! Yes, I think that at regular hobby levels, a book
    from 57 or even the 30s will work just as well as many modern
    books.

    It was always on my list but I never got around to reading it...
    so now I've a Kindle I am using it to catch up on books I
    meant to read, but didn't, especially if I see them cheap on
    Amazon. As I said, this book was only seven quid something on
    Amazon UK, which for a classic chess book is good value for
    money IMO. Plus, I am not cluttering up my [over-full] book
    shelves. Which means less for the grandkids to throw in to the
    dustbin in a few years time! Win/win.


    If you don't have any ethical qualms about pirating, you can also find
    millions of ebooks on https://annas-archive.org/ and https://libgen.gs/.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 13:02:26 2024
    D wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    It was always on my list but I never got around to reading
    it... so now I've a Kindle I am using it to catch up on
    books I meant to read, but didn't, especially if I see them
    cheap on Amazon. As I said, this book was only seven quid
    something on Amazon UK, which for a classic chess book is
    good value for money IMO. Plus, I am not cluttering up my
    [over-full] book shelves. Which means less for the grandkids
    to throw in to the dustbin in a few years time! Win/win.

    If you don't have any ethical qualms about pirating, you can
    also find millions of ebooks on https://annas-archive.org/ and https://libgen.gs/.

    Shiver me timbers! Free books? Aye Aye Captain. Bring a spring
    upon her and let's go and pillage some booty, ye scurvy dogs...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Oct 30 18:43:42 2024
    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    It was always on my list but I never got around to reading
    it... so now I've a Kindle I am using it to catch up on
    books I meant to read, but didn't, especially if I see them
    cheap on Amazon. As I said, this book was only seven quid
    something on Amazon UK, which for a classic chess book is
    good value for money IMO. Plus, I am not cluttering up my
    [over-full] book shelves. Which means less for the grandkids
    to throw in to the dustbin in a few years time! Win/win.

    If you don't have any ethical qualms about pirating, you can
    also find millions of ebooks on https://annas-archive.org/ and
    https://libgen.gs/.

    Shiver me timbers! Free books? Aye Aye Captain. Bring a spring
    upon her and let's go and pillage some booty, ye scurvy dogs...

    You're welcome! But please keep in mind that when you're having "the conversation" with St Peter at the checkin counter of heaven, don't
    mention my name! ;)

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  • From Silver Skull@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 02:38:01 2024
    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 9:35:33 +0000, D wrote:

    If you don't have any ethical qualms about pirating, you can also find millions of ebooks at ********** and **********

    Vladimir Kramnik would find people in the chess community that have no
    ethics interesting. After all, it's not a big leap to go from illegally downloading PDF's of books to help you learn chess to using stockfish to
    help you play chess !

    Where do you draw the line ?

    --
    Vive Les Nordiques!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Silver Skull on Thu Oct 31 10:30:13 2024
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 9:35:33 +0000, D wrote:

    If you don't have any ethical qualms about pirating, you can also find
    millions of ebooks at ********** and **********

    Vladimir Kramnik would find people in the chess community that have no
    ethics interesting. After all, it's not a big leap to go from illegally downloading PDF's of books to help you learn chess to using stockfish to
    help you play chess !

    Where do you draw the line ?

    I draw the line at downloading books, movies and music. If the book is
    really, really good, I might buy it as well. Movies and music I can live without.

    Any more questions? =)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Fri Nov 1 23:42:02 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:53:33 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:
    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like the
    Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book in the
    form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)

    Another book I really wish I'd read as a young player.


    William Hyde

    My first two chess books were a book on the middle game by IA Horowitz
    and MCO 10 both of which I got from the university bookstore when my
    mother was going there. Eventually the binding broke on the Horowitz
    book and I kept it permanently with a rubber band around it to keep
    from losing pages. I think I still have it though haven't seen it in
    years and I've got at least a dozen books on tactics that are at least
    as good as the Horowitz - plus of course the tactics and endgames
    section from the Informants.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sat Nov 2 22:13:22 2024
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    The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:53:33 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:
    D wrote:

    Either a re-read of Zuke Em. The Colle-Zukertort
    Revolutionized A chess opening for everyone, since I like the
    Colle and Colle-Zukertort systems, or a lighter book in the
    form of The Bobby Fisher I knew and other stories.

    I recently purchased "Logical Chess - Move by Move" by Irving
    Chernev for my Kindle so that is my current read... and it's
    very good. (And at £7.44 great value for money.)

    Another book I really wish I'd read as a young player.


    William Hyde

    My first two chess books were a book on the middle game by IA Horowitz
    and MCO 10 both of which I got from the university bookstore when my
    mother was going there. Eventually the binding broke on the Horowitz
    book and I kept it permanently with a rubber band around it to keep
    from losing pages.

    I think I had that Horowitz book. It fell apart rather rapidly and after a period of rubber-banding, I threw it out.

    Batsford for a while was famous for books that fell apart. The only one I bought was the book of Tal's games, still around here somewhere.

    It's only in chess publishing that I've encountered the phenomenon of the book that spontaneously disintegrates, but perhaps that just means I haven't bought enough bridge books.

    William Hyde


    I once bought a copy of The Van Rijn Method from amazon and it fell apart. Otherwise I don't think it has ever happened to me.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 3 10:27:28 2024
    On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 16:04:17 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:53:33 -0400, William Hyde
    My first two chess books were a book on the middle game by IA Horowitz
    and MCO 10 both of which I got from the university bookstore when my
    mother was going there. Eventually the binding broke on the Horowitz
    book and I kept it permanently with a rubber band around it to keep
    from losing pages.

    I think I had that Horowitz book. It fell apart rather rapidly and
    after a period of rubber-banding, I threw it out.

    Batsford for a while was famous for books that fell apart. The only one
    I bought was the book of Tal's games, still around here somewhere.

    It's only in chess publishing that I've encountered the phenomenon of
    the book that spontaneously disintegrates, but perhaps that just means I >haven't bought enough bridge books.

    William Hyde

    Heh heh - I'm pretty sure you and I had the same edition of Horowitz's
    "How to Win in the Middle Game of Chess" from yur comments about the
    pinding. The cover on MCO 10 50 years later is a bit sketchy but the
    binding holds together yet.

    Some of my science fiction books from my early teens were the same way
    though mercifully my 3 Foundation books were reasonably well bound.

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