• Reflections on chess engines.

    From D@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 17:34:57 2024
    Dear rgcm:ers,

    As regular readers of my posts know, I've entertained myself with the Colle-Zukertort for the past week or so. It's a system, easy, and a fairly
    safe way to get past the opening. On the down side, it's not the most aggressive opening, but I find that it suits my lack of time, and to a
    certain extent, my personality, since I do not like breath takingly sharp games.

    With that in mind, I have quickly read through the book, and played
    through some games, and now I'm taking a break to play some engines, to
    test the ideas, and see where I have problems.

    I first tried Crafty and Xboard on my local computer, and both are trivial
    to beat on "Easy" (they have 3 levels, Easy, Medium, Hard).

    On medium, it's more of a challenge, and I need to be a bit careful,
    however, here the first disappointment shows. They are no very creative!
    =( They might beat me once or twice, but, I learn from that. And since the engines tend to repeat themselves, if becomes trivial to beat them on
    medium as well, once you play a couple of games, since they both tend to
    repeat their moves way too often.

    Hard is a challenge though. But, I also tried a few Stockfish games in lichess.org, to get a better "scoring" since it has 8 levels instead of
    just 3.

    So the current stockhish in lichess level 4 is trivial. He makes way too
    many mistakes, so up to level 5.

    Level 5 starts to give me tough resistance, and I can play it to a
    stalemate if I'm overly cautious, but winning is harder. The problem is
    that it's not subtle with its mistakes at times. So if I take it slow, I
    might end up with a stalemate if he plays good... BUT, from time to time
    he makes something crazy, and as long as I notice it, it is pretty easy to capitaliaze on that mistake.

    So the key to beating stockfish level 5 seems to be to take it easy and
    wait for one of its "crazy moments" and then just capitalize on it, and
    then simplify the game by regular exchanges, which then gets you an end
    game with a piece up or a pawn majority.

    I've read online that level 6 is the same, although you have to wait
    longer for the mistake to happen, which means that I would also not have
    to make a mistake for longer.

    It is kind of sad that the methodology to win against stockfish level 5
    and 6 is to wait for an obvious mistake, but that could also just be a reflection of less than optimal skills on my side.

    So what do you think?

    Is that how you beat chess engines such as stockfish? Do you have any
    other favourite strategies for beating them?

    Personally, one problem with the C-Z I have identified is to identify
    exactly when to break on C4 or when to initiate a king side attack with
    Ng4. I find that sometimes I wait too long and either make a mistake, _or_
    I wait too long and the game gets locked into a very solid pawn structure
    where neither player feels that he can make a profitable break.

    In the games where I _do_ get the attack timing right, it's usually quite
    a quick win, or rather, I know exactly what to do to win, so I can play it
    more or less automatically, even though it might take a few moves here and there to alingn pieces rooks etc.

    Wishing you a pleasant evening!

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  • From Silver Skull@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 17:26:16 2024
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 16:34:57 +0000, D wrote:


    Hard is a challenge though. But, I also tried a few Stockfish games in lichess.org, to get a better "scoring" since it has 8 levels instead of
    just 3.

    So the current stockhish in lichess level 4 is trivial. He makes way too
    many mistakes, so up to level 5.

    Lichess use a Stockfish variant called fairy-stockfish for their 'play
    the computer' options which are a bit different to the regular Stockfish
    engine - which is at version 17 now and can be used for analysis and
    evaluation of games in Lichess.

    Level 5 starts to give me tough resistance, and I can play it to a
    stalemate if I'm overly cautious, but winning is harder. The problem is
    that it's not subtle with its mistakes at times. So if I take it slow, I might end up with a stalemate if he plays good... BUT, from time to time
    he makes something crazy, and as long as I notice it, it is pretty easy
    to capitaliaze on that mistake.

    So the key to beating stockfish level 5 seems to be to take it easy and
    wait for one of its "crazy moments" and then just capitalize on it, and
    then simplify the game by regular exchanges, which then gets you an end
    game with a piece up or a pawn majority.

    I've read online that level 6 is the same, although you have to wait
    longer for the mistake to happen, which means that I would also not have
    to make a mistake for longer.

    Fwiw i am unable to beat fairy-stockfish (14) level 5 on Lichess.

    Four was tough at times and took ages to conquer consistently - with
    level five i just can't do it.

    It is kind of sad that the methodology to win against stockfish level 5
    and 6 is to wait for an obvious mistake, but that could also just be a reflection of less than optimal skills on my side.

    So what do you think?

    I think i am not good enough !

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Silver Skull on Wed Nov 13 20:05:53 2024
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    game with a piece up or a pawn majority.

    I've read online that level 6 is the same, although you have to wait
    longer for the mistake to happen, which means that I would also not have
    to make a mistake for longer.

    Fwiw i am unable to beat fairy-stockfish (14) level 5 on Lichess.

    Four was tough at times and took ages to conquer consistently - with
    level five i just can't do it.

    Sure you can! It just takes time and effort. Maybe a good starting point
    could be to play a game, and then share it here and we can analyze it
    together to see if there's any specific things you could improve?

    It is kind of sad that the methodology to win against stockfish level 5
    and 6 is to wait for an obvious mistake, but that could also just be a
    reflection of less than optimal skills on my side.

    So what do you think?

    I think i am not good enough !

    But you can be!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Thu Nov 14 14:39:59 2024
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    So what do you think?

    Is that how you beat chess engines such as stockfish? Do you have any other >> favourite strategies for beating them?

    I am prone to blunders nowadays. But if I avoid those, level five is easy to beat positionally, and six not that hard.

    You are strong with the force William! What was your peak FIDE rating?

    I always play black. I will eventually transpose into the modern defense, Pirc, hyperaccelerated dragon, grand prix attack or king's indian.

    But what do you do when you have to play white?

    With most of these the strategy is to hold the centre and expand on the queenside. This will be an attack on the king sometimes, but usually it is just pressure down the c or b files, weakening squares like c4, c3, etc, and a winning endgame. Occasionally you can set up a standard sac on b2 or e4 and win more quickly. I have a tendency to miss those.

    With the KID we have the usual attack if it plays d5, which if you don't blunder you can always win, as it wastes time with irrelevant moves, only rarely pushing its queenside attack with the necessary speed.

    At level seven the tactics are so accurate that I have only drawn with the KID. I get winning positions, but can't force the win.

    Note that Stockfish does not always play at the same strength. Depending, I suppose, on server load, level five can play like four, and six like five.

    Ahhhh.... that explains it! Sometimes I find level 5 a tough adversary
    and sometimes he makes very obvious mistakes. If his intelligence varies
    with the server load, then that explains it!

    I've posted here on threads in the past couple of years some silly games I've won at these levels, where Stockfish was clearly not at its best.

    The challenge now is to beat six tactically, without the advantage of memorized tricky openings (luckily I have none of those, so they're easy to avoid). It's just a matter of arranging a position where you can look deeper than stockfish, but my creaky old brain is having some trouble doing that very often.

    What about performance enhancers such as coffee or tea? Do you find that
    it improves your chances?

    Personally, one problem with the C-Z I have identified is to identify
    exactly when to break on C4 or when to initiate a king side attack with
    Ng4. I find that sometimes I wait too long and either make a mistake, _or_ >> I wait too long and the game gets locked into a very solid pawn structure
    where neither player feels that he can make a profitable break.

    I thought that the classic break with the Colle was e4.

    Yes... well, e5 (sorry not e4 according to my Colle-Zukertort book)
    is to prepare the way for a later Ng4 and that is done
    to remove the knight guarding h7. Then there are many options, rook lift
    to h3, sliding queen over. Note that I play Colle-Zukertort, and not the
    pure Colle, so that could also be why it looks odd to you.

    In the games where I _do_ get the attack timing right, it's usually quite a >> quick win, or rather, I know exactly what to do to win, so I can play it
    more or less automatically, even though it might take a few moves here and >> there to alingn pieces rooks etc.

    Sometimes you can set up such a positional plus that all tactics work for you and you can win with natural attacking moves. Analysis generally reveals, however, that faster wins were available.

    This is the truth! Sometimes things just fall into place, and it feels
    like some black magic has been performed!

    Wishing you a pleasant evening!

    And to you.

    And to you! =)

    William Hyde


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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Thu Nov 14 23:07:59 2024
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    D wrote:


    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    So what do you think?

    Is that how you beat chess engines such as stockfish? Do you have any
    other favourite strategies for beating them?

    I am prone to blunders nowadays.  But if I avoid those, level five is easy >>> to beat positionally, and six not that hard.

    You are strong with the force William! What was your peak FIDE rating?

    I grew up in an area which was a chess desert, relative to most of Europe. Never played in a FIDE rated event. My top OTB rating ever was 2254 USCF, based on very few games. My final rating 100 points lower.
    I was never 2200 FIDE. I played 2300 FIDE players and they were not merely 100 points above me.

    Well, I'd say definitely above 2000! The IM who was briefly teaching me
    was incredible. His level was on another world! Sadly he came to the
    conclusion that he'd wasted his life on chess and quit playing since he realized how far he was from GM. =(

    Given my tendency to blunder, I shudder to think how low I would be rated now. But while age has taken away the ability to focus, I know more about positional play than ever.

    That is a nebulous concept. I'm sure I know something, but I would
    definitely not say that I know a lot. ;) On the other hand, when I listen
    to chess experts, from time to time I actually do understand what they are talking about, so perhaps it's just one of those fuzzy things.

    At age 84 Kortchnoi said that he understood chess better than he had when he played for the world championship at age 46. He just didn't play as well.
    At a vastly lower level, that's the case with me.

    I'm currently reading Russian Silhouettes and I have to say I am very much enjoying the personal angle of the book and the characters! Kortchnoi is
    not covered but he is mentioned, naturally, several times. I find the book
    an excellent break from the more on topic teaching style books!

    I always play black.  I will eventually transpose into the modern defense, >>> Pirc, hyperaccelerated dragon, grand prix attack or king's indian.

    But what do you do when you have to play white?

    I generally play the Reti, but it can transpose into the Catalan, neo-Catalan, English, or even the Queen's gambit.

    Ahh the reti! The IM recommended it to me, but I never got a long with it
    and just felt cramped, so after reviewing the best opening summary I've
    ever found on the net, I settled (for the moment) on Colle-Zukertort for
    white and a little bit of Scandinavian for black.

    One of the reasons for playing the Reti, for those who unlike me are booked up, is that black often allows a transposition into a very favorable version of one of the above openings, something that wouldn't happen if you played the opening directly.

    I play it because:

    (a) I am a fanatical hypermodern (1)

    (b) It's the best opening to play if you are too lazy to learn openings.

    Really? Even easier than the London or Colle or C-Z? I would argue that
    those are all way more energy efficient! ;)

    If I am playing someone known to be an expert on the Sicilian I always play e4. I don't know why. It usually results in suffering.

    (1) One should never become a hypermodern before one has been a fanatical classicist. Regrettably I did not follow this path.

    I can see the point in (1)! I have heard this advice from others as well.

    What about performance enhancers such as coffee or tea? Do you find that
    it improves your chances?

    Only when you are very tired. Otherwise best taken in moderation if at all. Once, playing in a very hot venue, I drank my first coke in decades. The caffeine and sugar had me jumping up and down in my seat and I lost badly.

    That was one of the key tweaks Magnus Carlsen did! He switched from
    drinking orange juice, which gave him spikes and dips to chocolate milk,
    which gave him a more smooth and sustained energy boost throughout his
    matches, and apparently it did improve his results.

    This I read in the excellent book Mental Toughness in Chess by Werner Schweitzer. This is great if you want to improve your "meta-chess" by
    looking at how to practice, train, visualize, set goals, deal with
    frustrations and emotions, keep motivated etc. It's an excellent and short
    book which I highly recommend.

    It also works for other sports and activities as well. My father is a huge
    fan of boule and I bought him the book to help him up his game! =)

    This is the truth! Sometimes things just fall into place, and it feels
    like some black magic has been performed!

    After posting this yesterday I played a game against five to create an example.

    First I should say that my c5 is a poor move, and d5 is also bad, and I would never play these in an important game. As you can see I won, but as I said above the computer reveals many wins that I missed - as well as the time I threw the win away. At one point I am even losing.

    https://lichess.org/zVTqqVIc#53

    Thank you very much for sharing. After beating stockfish 5 some days ago,
    it seems I've managed to "get under his skin" because now I've played an additional 2 games and won both. The trick was to be very careful and conservative, and one of two things would happen:

    1. He would make a mistake, and lose a piece, and that would then gain me fairly quick victory.

    or

    2. I would not notice the big mistake, but he would lose 1 pawn, and by
    being careful and conservatively exchanging, that would actually be enough
    to win in the end.

    But one thing is certain, those games are not fun to watch, and can
    stretch up to 60-70 moves, so no romantic, dashing and daring play at all.
    ;)

    I think that is where there is a huge difference with my IM acquaintance, because he sees several moves ahead, and can easily crush stockfish 5 and
    6.

    I would be unlikely to get away with that at level six, and playing that opening against seven I would inevitably lose.

    That is certainly the truth for most in chess. Some mistakes are difficult
    to see in the heat of the moment, and then when you review the game, it is obvious and you don't understand how come you didn't see it!

    Best regards,
    Daniel


    William Hyde




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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri Nov 15 23:36:09 2024
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    D wrote:


    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    Given my tendency to blunder, I shudder to think how low I would be rated >>> now.  But while age has taken away the ability to focus, I know more about >>> positional play than ever.

    That is a nebulous concept.

    The best guide to positional play, or at least part of it, that I have seen for under 2200 players is a slim book by Max Euwe "Judgment and Planning in Chess".

    I had a quick look and definitely not for me. Too many moves and too
    little text and "entertainment".

    Rather than discussing positional play in the abstract, it chapter by chapter illustrates various positional ideas. Chapters include the use of the distant pawn majority, exploiting bad bishops, using strong squares, open files, the queen side attack, and attacks against the king. Yes, positional play includes attacks.

    Well, the chapter titles where a nice touch.

    Edward Lasker's "Modern Chess Strategy" is also excellent.

    I read Laskers Lesson I learned from the champions, and I enjoyed his
    writing, so once I'm tired of my current C-Z book I might go back to
    Modern chess strategy.

    The only thing which is a bit annoying is the old coordinate system,
    compared with the regular one in my Colle-Z-book. It always takes a bit
    of time to adapt.

    The story goes, and it may be false, that over a hundred years ago a non-English speaker wrote a language guide for his countrymen entitled "English as She is Spoke". So when I talk about positional play, keep that guy in mind.

    I will be keeping in mind a lecture I heard a 1200 player give to an absolute beginner about the style of Spassky ("As a player he always went for the big cheapo in the middlegame").

    Positional play is about maximizing the opportunities for your forces, and minimizing the opportunities for his. Both aspects are important but the first is easier to grasp. Like most dictums about positional play, I know this sounds uselessly vague.

    Enhancing the mobility of your pieces is positional play. Gaining (if you can keep it!) a space advantage is positional play, controlling the centre (again, if you can keep it) is positional play.

    The reverse also applies. Try to restrict his pieces (beware of making time wasting or weakening pawn moves in the process), make sure you have a liberating move if he is likely to get a space advantage, attack his centre.

    These are actually things and thoughts that I have encountered and that
    I do try to think about when I play. In my case, not a conscious list
    that I "check off", but if I were to talk through my decisions with a
    second party I would probably phrase it like that, but I don't have that specific inner monologue.

    But yes, blocking bishops, finding outposts for the knights, creating
    bad bishops, exchanging bad for good, open files, those are concepts I'm
    aware of and I use them.

    Weaknesses are crucial. If your opponent has a weakness his pieces will be constrained to defend it (providing, of course, that the weakness cannot be sacrificed for play elsewhere - tactics always come first).
    You may never capture the weakness, but the mobility advantage you get may allow an attack elsewhere.

    Keep an eye on latent weaknesses. The pawn on c2 is not weak, but if the d pawn advances, black's c file is half open, and black moves his b pawn to b4, suddenly the c pawn is weak. Making this happen is a positional plan. Though no doubt white has plans of his own.

    Em Lasker had a gift for taking perfectly reasonable looking pawns and making them into weaknesses (or "Targets" in the language of Soltis's book "Why Lasker Matters").

    I read Em Laskers chess manual and sometimes I feel as if he trivializes
    things and believes they are easier than they actually are. I feel kind
    of like in university math, when the teacher would say... I'll leave the
    rest for you, since it is quite obvious, and only the top 10 in the
    class would think it obvious while the rest had no idea what he was
    talking about.

    Obviously, we all want our rooks on open files, but a good positional player knows when an open file is useless, and where and how to create another open file for his rooks. We all want to put a knight in the centre, but a good positional player knows that if he has two knights, only one can occupy that spot. Trade off the superfluous knight. there are many similar rules, all of which have exceptions, of course.

    What is your check list for rooks on open files? There is a common
    situation that I see fairly often when the king can cover 3 squares, so
    the rook can move to another file.

    We all play positionally, whether well or not, whether we know it or not. Standard openings are based on positional ideas as well as tactical ones.

    But then there's Tartakower's definition:

    "Tactics is what you do when there's something to do. Positional play is what you do when there's nothing to do".

    I think that was a very nice way to put it. Tactics are somehow easier
    to grasp, since there is often one or two "obvious" moves. Positional
    feels more like trying to tilt the odds in your favour.

    I'm currently reading Russian Silhouettes and I have to say I am very much >> enjoying the personal angle of the book and the characters! Kortchnoi is
    not covered but he is mentioned, naturally, several times. I find the book >> an excellent break from the more on topic teaching style books!

    I love that book, and the companion volumes. Irving Chernev wrote a number of books which are a mix of chess history and games, also worth reading.

    I have not read anything by Irving Chernev. Can you recommend any of his
    books?

    Ahh the reti! The IM recommended it to me, but I never got a long with it
    and just felt cramped, so after reviewing the best opening summary I've
    ever found on the net, I settled (for the moment) on Colle-Zukertort for
    white and a little bit of Scandinavian for black.

    Always play an opening that suits your style and/or temperament. If you are uncomfortable with the large center black sometimes gets with the Reti, then do not play that opening.

    Yes, exactly! That's another fascinating aspect of chess... how much it
    is influenced by the temperament of the player. Some are aggressive,
    some like dramatic romantic moves, some like to fiddle around with tiny,
    tight moves and slowly maneuver, rather being safe than sorry. I'm that
    kidn of guy, and I think that is why I am so bad at blitz. I absolutely
    hate having to move withotu being sure why, and having through through
    the move and what it should lead to.

    I read about a russian master called Geller in the Sosonko book, and he
    was exactly the same and was not very good at Blitz.

    I very much enjoy loooong games when both players can think, plan, try
    to calculate several moves ahead and so on. But most players get bored
    by that type of game, but I try to at least not go below 30 minutes per
    player. 45 minutes per player I can do fairly ok with.

    Really? Even easier than the London or Colle or C-Z? I would argue that
    those are all way more energy efficient! ;)

    The problem with those is that you often run into people who know them well for black. The Colle was popular in Texas and it didn't take me long to learn an anti-Colle system that worked rather well.

    True, but my strength is that I don't play amateurs, but at most over
    the board with friends and family (very occasionally) and perhaps a game
    or two on lichess, although I actually enjoy playing the computer, since
    I can then satisfy my curiosity with take backs, explore various lines
    etc, and the computer doesn't get angry if I have to abort in the middle
    of the game for dinner and come back an hour later. ;)

    So the people I play definitely do not have pet defenses against the Colle-Zukertort, and actually, the book I am reading does talk about anti-Colles and how to play against them.

    You will almost never run into an opponent who knows the Reti better than you do. If so, he'll probably be 300 points higher rated anyway.
    The Reti is so flexible that there is no anti-Reti system to worry about.

    Interesting! I wonder what that tells us about your psychology? ;)

    In terms of impressing women, which opening would you recommend? In
    terms of technology, my weapon of choice has always been to stun them
    with storage solutions!

    This I read in the excellent book Mental Toughness in Chess by Werner
    Schweitzer. This is great if you want to improve your "meta-chess" by
    looking at how to practice, train, visualize, set goals, deal with
    frustrations and emotions, keep motivated etc. It's an excellent and short >> book which I highly recommend.

    Three books by Kotov: "Think like a Grandmaster", " Play ..." and "Train ..." are relevant here but are for strongish players. I used to do the puzzles from the first while on a run, but I can't say I was really strong enough to get full benefit from the book. It was an amusing read, though.

    I have heard about them, so they must be famous!

    Nimzovitch said that in chess it helps to have an enemy. By which he meant that his drive to disprove the maxims of Tarrasch caused him to work harder at chess than he otherwise might have.

    Haha, well, yes I do see the point, but I think that is way, way over my
    head in terms of seriousness. I try to avoid having chess becoming an obsession, and have it stay at "hobby" level. ;)

    Decades ago a FIDE master friend of mine decided to determine whether the Queen's Indian defense was sound. Of course it is, and he was never going to find a refutation. But he did learn a lot in the pursuit of this goal, and when someone dared play the QID against him in a Toronto championship the hapless opponent was wiped off the board rather rapidly.

    Obsession can be good, even if its not objectively correct. Just don't overdo it, Weaver Adams style (Mr Adams wrote a book arguing that 1e4 wins in all variations but, not satisfied with that, wrote that black can win against any other opening move. He was a strong player, but as his opponents always knew what he was going to play his results suffered).

    Fascinating!

    William Hyde


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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sat Nov 16 23:27:22 2024
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    I had a quick look and definitely not for me. Too many moves and too
    little text and "entertainment".

    I still think you could learn from it by merely browsing, not actually setting up a board and playing it over. For that matter some of the positions are given on lichess so you can use the engine there.

    I will have another look. Maybe it is not as scary as it looks.

    On another note, today I very humbly and gently asked stockfish level 6
    for a match, and it was a disaster. The best game went on for 16 moves
    without any big mistakes on either side, then I made a mistake, and the
    house of cards fell.

    I think I must reach a point with 20 moves or so without a big mistake
    in order to trap level 6 with the same strategy I use for level 5!

    A master I spoke to last night recommended Pachman's books on strategy.

    Interestingly, his definition of positional play was even worse than mine. His skill is largely tactical, as I recall.
    ...
    What is your check list for rooks on open files? There is a common
    situation that I see fairly often when the king can cover 3 squares, so
    the rook can move to another file.

    I have no check list. Perhaps I should. World postal champion CJS Purdy created a checklist to be used at every move ... but he admitted that he seldom remembered to use it. I think chess is too complex for that.

    That reminds me of the Edward Lasker book. He talks about how he sees
    chess as a science, with rules, principles, and presumably, check lists,
    while some GM:s look at it as art, with intuition, sudden bursts of
    genius etc.

    I think you need to play a lot of games in order to develop that
    intuition, and that for a beginner, perhaps the scientific approach
    might be easier.

    I think that was a very nice way to put it. Tactics are somehow easier
    to grasp, since there is often one or two "obvious" moves. Positional
    feels more like trying to tilt the odds in your favour.

    Long ago I was, as usual, defending a bad position against a superior player. At one point he started a long think, looking for the killing move. We both thought it just had to be there, but the best either of us could find led to a marginally better endgame for him. Running short of time, he took this option and I had no problem drawing.

    Ahh... I remember those games... all of a sudden, you get that adrenalin
    rush! Wait, wow, I could possibly win with x forcing moves if I just
    did, this, and this, and this, and this, and this... and often one of
    two things happen.

    1. I find out that I calculated wrong.

    or

    2. After 10 minutes or more, and the annoyance of the opponent, I find
    out that it did not work after all. ;)

    I've lost several games by getting into time pressure looking for a tactical win that just wasn't there, while all along a quiet positional move existed that would have won without too much trouble.

    I feel your pain!

    Yes, exactly! That's another fascinating aspect of chess... how much it
    is influenced by the temperament of the player. Some are aggressive,
    some like dramatic romantic moves, some like to fiddle around with tiny,
    tight moves and slowly maneuver, rather being safe than sorry. I'm that
    kidn of guy, and I think that is why I am so bad at blitz. I absolutely
    hate having to move withotu being sure why, and having through through
    the move and what it should lead to.

    I read about a russian master called Geller in the Sosonko book, and he
    was exactly the same and was not very good at Blitz.

    When I first started playing blitz I got a decent rating for my age. But every week it went down, down to levels that had seem inconceivable the week before. Meanwhile my real rating was getting better.

    I eventually realized I had the wrong attitude towards blitz. I allowed minor reverses, like losing a piece, to bother me. Blitz games are always going to be packed with errors. Forget what could have happened if you hadn't dropped that piece and focus on the new position. And if you lose, don't be bothered. It's just a blitz game.

    My rating rebounded as fast as it had fallen. And on the way up I won lots of nice juicy class prizes - sometimes as much at $1.50!

    Interesting! When I play blitz, it is just one short and painful game of agonizing over not having enough time to play what I think is the
    optimal move. Every non-optimal move is just painful, and once it is
    done, I of course kick myself for not playing that other move, which is
    turn steals focus from the next move, and on and on it goes. ;)

    So the people I play definitely do not have pet defenses against the
    Colle-Zukertort, and actually, the book I am reading does talk about
    anti-Colles and how to play against them.

    As I say, if the Colle fits your style, play it! It's not a bad opening.
    But it's too direct for me.

    Amen! The hippo and stonewall are still on my list, but we'll see if I
    ever reach them. It seems like the C-Z can be played for years and years without exhausting the possibilities.

    And I still have not invested anything close to the time I invested in
    the C-Z, when it comes to the Scandinavian for black. I did play it
    once, after studying it briefly for 7 evenings and I did win.

    Interesting! I wonder what that tells us about your psychology? ;)

    It tells you that I am lazy. But also practical. Having played the Reti/English system for so long, I probably know more about it than most of my opponents, even though I haven't actually studied it.

    Do you play often with your children or grand children? Do you let them
    win or do you mercilessly crush them? The second option is what turned
    me off chess for at least 10 years.

    Against some attacking players, I would sometimes play the very un-hypermodern d5 against d4. They seemed to have this weird lack of respect for the QGD, thinking that anything would win against it. I got my first winning position against a master that way though, alas, masters are masters for a reason ...

    Oh the joy of a d5, says the C-Z player! Ideally that gives me the sweet, sweet,
    e5 for my knight! =D

    So pragmatism occasionally trumps principle, or even laziness.

    In terms of impressing women, which opening would you recommend?

    The one that leads out of the chess club to the tennis courts.

    Touché! But in case you want to check out the state of the art, here's a youtuber for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaq7hhhbAi0

    Very pleasant to look at, and her mother is a GM I think, and one of
    swedens most successful female players.


    William Hyde


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  • From Silver Skull@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 03:15:41 2024
    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:27:22 +0000, D wrote:

    But in case you want to check out the state of the art, here's a
    youtuber for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaq7hhhbAi0

    Very pleasant to look at,

    Anna Cramling might be pretty but her YouTube channel is very annoying
    to watch. She always gets so excited about everything, screaming about
    the simplest of things. She's also banging the YouTuber Wirtual so we
    can forget about her popping-in for a game of strip chess anytime soon.

    and her mother is a GM I think, and one of swedens most
    successful female players.

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden. Although I think
    she went easy on him as he's trying to get his GM norms.

    --
    Vive Les Nordiques!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Silver Skull on Sun Nov 17 11:27:07 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:27:22 +0000, D wrote:

    But in case you want to check out the state of the art, here's a
    youtuber for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaq7hhhbAi0

    Very pleasant to look at,

    Anna Cramling might be pretty but her YouTube channel is very annoying
    to watch. She always gets so excited about everything, screaming about
    the simplest of things. She's also banging the YouTuber Wirtual so we
    can forget about her popping-in for a game of strip chess anytime soon.

    I don't think this is specific to Anna but to modern, young females
    steeped in the teenage US cultural tradition. They scream and get excited
    by anything, and I personally get a head ache if I'm in the same room with
    one for more than 10 minutes. ;)

    As for strip chess, maybe you could reach out and ask? ;) I do know that
    she lives pretty close to where I have my apartment in Stockholm, so maybe
    I should be the one to ask? On the other hand, I would get prison for
    sexual harassment, so maybe it is safer to do it online. ;)

    and her mother is a GM I think, and one of swedens most
    successful female players.

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden. Although I think
    she went easy on him as he's trying to get his GM norms.

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like most atheletes,
    she probably was better in her prime.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 19:40:44 2024
    D wrote:


    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden.
    Although I think she went easy on him as he's trying to get
    his GM norms.

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Sun Nov 17 21:19:18 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:41:35 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think that six generally looks one move deeper than five, and that
    makes a huge difference. It also seems to play better positionally, but
    that may just be a consequence of looking deeper. I assume that at the
    end of each analysis tree a positional evaluation is done.

    I have a friend who only plays eight. He gets about a draw a month.

    So what's your favorite server for Stockfish?

    (I suspect most of my chess time over the next 3-4 weeks will involve
    following the world championship match in Singapore.....)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Sun Nov 17 21:17:29 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 19:40:44 +0000, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden.
    Although I think she went easy on him as he's trying to get
    his GM norms.

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Quite a few national chess federations are associate members of their
    country's Olympic Committee.

    I remember we (Canada) once were able to apply for full membership but
    didn't go through with it as we didn't think our masters would agree
    to pee into a cup between rounds at the national championship.

    (I suspect in my playing days I might have failed my urine test given
    I routinely drank 2-3 cups of coffee at the board during my games -
    and knew I'd never survive the mocking one would get for failing one's
    drug test.)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Nov 18 10:26:23 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:41:35 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think that six generally looks one move deeper than five, and that
    makes a huge difference. It also seems to play better positionally, but
    that may just be a consequence of looking deeper. I assume that at the
    end of each analysis tree a positional evaluation is done.

    I have a friend who only plays eight. He gets about a draw a month.

    So what's your favorite server for Stockfish?

    (I suspect most of my chess time over the next 3-4 weeks will involve following the world championship match in Singapore.....)


    I usually play the lichess.org stockfish.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Mon Nov 18 10:15:16 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden.
    Although I think she went easy on him as he's trying to get
    his GM norms.

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Yes! =) I think that's a fair call. Modern chess makes enormous demands on
    your stamina and many of the top players to work out.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Nov 18 10:25:48 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 19:40:44 +0000, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Silver Skull wrote:

    Pia Cramling

    Levy Rozman just beat her in some OTB games in Sweden.
    Although I think she went easy on him as he's trying to get
    his GM norms.

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Quite a few national chess federations are associate members of their country's Olympic Committee.

    I remember we (Canada) once were able to apply for full membership but
    didn't go through with it as we didn't think our masters would agree
    to pee into a cup between rounds at the national championship.

    (I suspect in my playing days I might have failed my urine test given
    I routinely drank 2-3 cups of coffee at the board during my games -
    and knew I'd never survive the mocking one would get for failing one's
    drug test.)

    Coffee?!?! Is coffee not allowed?! There goes my elite chess career! =(

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon Nov 18 10:24:12 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:


    On another note, today I very humbly and gently asked stockfish level 6
    for a match, and it was a disaster. The best game went on for 16 moves
    without any big mistakes on either side, then I made a mistake, and the
    house of cards fell.

    I think I must reach a point with 20 moves or so without a big mistake
    in order to trap level 6 with the same strategy I use for level 5!

    I think that six generally looks one move deeper than five, and that makes a huge difference. It also seems to play better positionally, but that may just be a consequence of looking deeper. I assume that at the end of each analysis tree a positional evaluation is done.

    Sounds very reasonable. Yesterday I played another level 6 game, and to my great joy, he started playing a line that was actually mentioned in my
    book! So I followed it, and everything was nice and solid at +0.3 to +0.5
    until move 16 when everything (as usual) collapsed. ;)

    But thanks to the blessings of the computer I could go back and check what
    went wrong, and also, what would have been "the perfect" way forward and
    to my great disappointment, the continuation would have been 40-50 "micro-moves" ending with a draw. ;)

    After about 15-20 moves I get overwhelmed by the options, and choose the
    wrong way forward. I need to rectify that, but to me it sounds like
    "cruching puzzles" since it is so late into the game.

    I have a friend who only plays eight. He gets about a draw a month.

    Wow! Doesn't it get boring for him? I am convinced that if I only played
    level 6, I would be able to get a draw or possibly a win, if I played it
    every day for a month, but it would get kind of tedious.

    That reminds me of the Edward Lasker book. He talks about how he sees
    chess as a science, with rules, principles, and presumably, check lists,
    while some GM:s look at it as art, with intuition, sudden bursts of
    genius etc.

    Ever since the rules allegedly governing good play were discovered in the 1800s and promulgated by Steinitz and Tarrasch, progress in chess has largely been in opposition to those rules. As Reti said:

    "We, the younger players, are not interested in the rules but in the exceptions".

    Nimzovich put a different stress on it, promulgating new and improved versions of the old rules (control of the centre is still vital, but control does not necessarily mean occupation with pawn) plus new rules (overprotection, blockade, prophylaxis). Which themselves came under fire.

    You can become a very good player by knowing and following those rules, assuming a certain amount of tactical ability, but to be a great player you must know when the rules do not apply. Not something either of us really needs to worry much about.

    Yes! This is my idea as well. For you and me, rules will sort us out in
    99% of all the cases and against our common opponents. When you move up to
    the elite series, as you say, everyone knows the rules, so they are of
    limited advantage, and the big advantage is when to break them and "shock"
    the opponent.




    Yes, exactly! That's another fascinating aspect of chess... how much it >>>> is influenced by the temperament of the player. Some are aggressive,
    some like dramatic romantic moves, some like to fiddle around with tiny, >>>> tight moves and slowly maneuver, rather being safe than sorry. I'm that >>>> kidn of guy, and I think that is why I am so bad at blitz. I absolutely >>>> hate having to move withotu being sure why, and having through through >>>> the move and what it should lead to.

    Yes, exactly the problem I had. But I came to enjoy making largely instinctive moves, stopping to analyze only rarely.

    Maybe I should try it. With all the good books and ideas you throw at me,
    I'm running into time limits since I am not retired. ;)

    I choose one thing, and then practice/immerse myself into that for a month
    or two, and when I get bored with it, I switch book/activity, and then I
    might run into a very busy time at work, and all chess stops for 5-6
    months since I get out of the habit.

    Do you play often with your children or grand children? Do you let them
    win or do you mercilessly crush them? The second option is what turned
    me off chess for at least 10 years.

    An uncle and a cousin played, the cousin's son became a pretty decent master, but I don't play within family.

    The force is strong in your family!


    Against some attacking players, I would sometimes play the very
    un-hypermodern d5 against d4.  They seemed to have this weird lack of
    respect for the QGD, thinking that anything would win against it. I got my >>> first winning position against a master that way though, alas, masters are >>> masters for a reason ...

    Oh the joy of a d5, says the C-Z player! Ideally that gives me the sweet,
    sweet, e5 for my knight! =D

    Exactly why my opponents lost. E5 is a wonderful square for the knight, but not in all positions.

    I do not doubt it at all!

    In terms of impressing women, which opening would you recommend?

    The one that leads out of the chess club to the tennis courts.

    Touché! But in case you want to check out the state of the art, here's a
    youtuber for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaq7hhhbAi0

    Very pleasant to look at, and her mother is a GM I think, and one of
    swedens most successful female players.

    Yes, Pia Cramling is a great player.

    Sweden is not a chess nation as far as I know, but I think there is one
    swede called "Tiger" who has his own opening. At least that's something.




    William Hyde

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 18 14:46:57 2024
    D wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Yes! =) I think that's a fair call. Modern chess makes
    enormous demands on your stamina and many of the top players
    to work out.

    Nah, not having it!

    Unless we are changing the definition of the word "athlete"
    chess players are not athletes.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Nov 18 14:46:56 2024
    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 19:40:44 +0000, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    D wrote:

    True, and add to that that she is quite old. I think, like
    most atheletes, she probably was better in her prime.

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Quite a few national chess federations are associate members
    of their country's Olympic Committee.

    It doesn't make chess players athletes!!!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Nov 18 14:49:46 2024
    The Horny Goat wrote:

    So what's your favorite server for Stockfish?

    Stockfish can be downloaded on to any PC/mobile device from the
    Stockfish website. There's no need for third-party servers.

    https://stockfishchess.org/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Tue Nov 19 10:11:10 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:



    Sweden is not a chess nation as far as I know,


    On the contrary, Sweden punches well above its weight in chess. Not as much as Iceland, but let's not expect miracles.

    Gideon Stahlberg was a very strong GM in mid-century, winning games against pretty much all the greats and qualifying for the Candidates twice. A certain nervousness in tense situations held him back a bit.

    Ulf Andersson was another leading Swedish player, very strong in the 70s and 80s.

    And the country's done reasonably well in Olympiads.

    William Hyde

    Oh, had no idea! Ulf Andersson does ring a bell, but no clear memory
    surfaces. It will be interesting to see if The Queens Gambit will have
    made any impact on the next generation in a few years!

    I do know that in norway, chess has boomed due to Carlsen.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Nov 19 10:47:23 2024
    The Horny Goat wrote:


    I suspect most of my chess time over the next 3-4 weeks will
    involve following the world championship match in
    Singapore.....

    Also, I believe the free chess app "Take Take Take" (recently
    launched by Magnus Carlsen & co) is going to have in-depth live
    analysis of those 'world championship' games next month.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 09:26:08 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:49:46 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:

    So what's your favorite server for Stockfish?

    Stockfish can be downloaded on to any PC/mobile device from the
    Stockfish website. There's no need for third-party servers.

    https://stockfishchess.org/

    Thanks for the link! I'll probably take a look

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 09:25:25 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:46:56 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Are we calling chess players athletes now?!

    Quite a few national chess federations are associate members
    of their country's Olympic Committee.

    It doesn't make chess players athletes!!!

    I hope you don't think I was making that claim ... though I have heard
    some "interesting" things about urine tests at chess tournaments. My
    personal impression is that most of the drugs that are alleged to
    "improve" athletic performance at athletic events would be harmful to
    high level chess performance and I know at least one master who shares
    my view.

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  • From Jhulian Waldby@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 11:58:32 2024
    D wrote:
    Dear rgcm:ers,

    As regular readers of my posts know, I've entertained myself with the Colle-Zukertort for the past week or so. It's a system, easy, and a
    fairly safe way to get past the opening. On the down side, it's not the
    most aggressive opening, but I find that it suits my lack of time, and
    to a certain extent, my personality, since I do not like breath takingly sharp games.

    With that in mind, I have quickly read through the book, and played
    through some games, and now I'm taking a break to play some engines, to
    test the ideas, and see where I have problems.

    I first tried Crafty and Xboard on my local computer, and both are
    trivial to beat on "Easy" (they have 3 levels, Easy, Medium, Hard).

    On medium, it's more of a challenge, and I need to be a bit careful,
    however, here the first disappointment shows. They are no very creative!
    =( They might beat me once or twice, but, I learn from that. And since
    the engines tend to repeat themselves, if becomes trivial to beat them
    on medium as well, once you play a couple of games, since they both tend
    to repeat their moves way too often.

    Hard is a challenge though. But, I also tried a few Stockfish games in lichess.org, to get a better "scoring" since it has 8 levels instead of
    just 3.

    So the current stockhish in lichess level 4 is trivial. He makes way too
    many mistakes, so up to level 5.

    Level 5 starts to give me tough resistance, and I can play it to a
    stalemate if I'm overly cautious, but winning is harder. The problem is
    that it's not subtle with its mistakes at times. So if I take it slow, I might end up with a stalemate if he plays good... BUT, from time to time
    he makes something crazy, and as long as I notice it, it is pretty easy
    to capitaliaze on that mistake.

    So the key to beating stockfish level 5 seems to be to take it easy and
    wait for one of its "crazy moments" and then just capitalize on it, and
    then simplify the game by regular exchanges, which then gets you an end
    game with a piece up or a pawn majority.

    I've read online that level 6 is the same, although you have to wait
    longer for the mistake to happen, which means that I would also not have
    to make a mistake for longer.

    It is kind of sad that the methodology to win against stockfish level 5
    and 6 is to wait for an obvious mistake, but that could also just be a reflection of less than optimal skills on my side.

    So what do you think?

    I'm not clear on these levels because I play against Stockfish through a wrapper app called Simply Chess. I know what you mean at the lower
    levels about waiting for a mistake, such as the opponent undervaluing
    the queen and taking a knight next to a pawn that can get it (something
    crazy). These mistakes rapidly disappear as one climbs the levels.

    A good feature of Simply Chess is its enforcement of touch move. A few
    of the national sites also do that like the FIDE chess site has touch
    move, but usually in online multiplayer that rule is overlooked.

    There have been occasions in chess history when a player has uttered
    j'adoube (adjust) suspiciously late. It is possible a late announcement
    of an adjustment can be used after starting to make a losing move in
    order to retract it, thus avoiding the touch-move rule. Such behaviour,
    when intentionally used for a retraction, is regarded as cheating. The
    Yugoslav grandmaster Milan Matulović was nicknamed "J'adoubovic" after
    such an incident.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Tue Nov 19 21:52:04 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:


    Oh, had no idea! Ulf Andersson does ring a bell, but no clear memory
    surfaces. It will be interesting to see if The Queens Gambit will have made >> any impact on the next generation in a few years!

    I do know that in norway, chess has boomed due to Carlsen.

    Before Carlsen there was his coach, Simen Agdestein, grandmaster (rated over 2600 at one point) and professional football player.

    Finished second in the world junior and won a match against Shirov.


    William Hyde

    Todays match with level 6 was interesting! He played fairly similar to a
    line I studied, so despite being a bit tired after an intense day at
    work and not exactly fresh, I play very solidly for 16 moves.

    Then... oh dear... then...

    I missed a mate in 5!!!

    What is sad is that I have seen this mate! Somehow I was distracted and
    thought only about protecting my queen, when a knight sacrifice + check
    would have brought me a quick victory. I did go through the initial
    moves in my head, but somehow did not follow through to the mate in 5.

    Very annoying.

    But one thing is sure... he won't be able to escape a second time, I
    replayed this mate in 5 several times over, so now I'm prepared! ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Jhulian Waldby on Tue Nov 19 22:49:25 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
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    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    I'm not clear on these levels because I play against Stockfish through a wrapper app called Simply Chess. I know what you mean at the lower levels about waiting for a mistake, such as the opponent undervaluing the queen and taking a knight next to a pawn that can get it (something crazy). These mistakes rapidly disappear as one climbs the levels.

    So tell us a bit about you? What level do you play? What's your
    favourite opening, and why? Are you a professional FIDE player?


    A good feature of Simply Chess is its enforcement of touch move. A few of the national sites also do that like the FIDE chess site has touch move, but usually in online multiplayer that rule is overlooked.

    There have been occasions in chess history when a player has uttered j'adoube (adjust) suspiciously late. It is possible a late announcement of an adjustment can be used after starting to make a losing move in order to retract it, thus avoiding the touch-move rule. Such behaviour, when intentionally used for a retraction, is regarded as cheating. The Yugoslav grandmaster Milan Matulović was nicknamed "J'adoubovic" after such an incident.


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  • From Jhulian Waldby@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 22:38:15 2024
    D wrote:


    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    I'm not clear on these levels because I play against Stockfish through
    a wrapper app called Simply Chess.  I know what you mean at the lower
    levels about waiting for a mistake, such as the opponent undervaluing
    the queen and taking a knight next to a pawn that can get it
    (something crazy).  These mistakes rapidly disappear as one climbs the
    levels.

    So tell us a bit about you? What level do you play? What's your
    favourite opening, and why? Are you a professional FIDE player?

    I've won on level 14 and usually play at 10. As white I often play Ruy
    Lopez, but am merely temporarily playing 2. Nf3 because I consider it a
    gimmick that only pays off against inexperienced players. I've opened
    up my competition to the occasional game against much higher ranks and
    have also moved up a good 100 points. The competition doesn't play the
    bad 2. ... Nf6 much anymore. As black, I use more imagination and have
    adopted King's Indian Defense and Sicilian Defense. King's Pawn feels
    weak to me. From what I've read it's a more staid approach whereas
    those two I use are volatile.

    Sometime last month I purchased an annual subscription to USCF I think
    it was. Unfortunately my mail often comes up suspiciously missing and I
    never received my card or the other materials I wanted.

    As for my play, while I can't seem to break the 1500 barrier, I put up a
    pretty good fight against anyone, even the guy I played recently with
    2700 as a score.

    All my life I've played too fast. Maybe it's greater interest, but I've started really examining the board and not just throwing my pieces all
    over without scanning defenses thoroughly enough. This is a skill that
    needs a name, because now, 5 months later, I'm finding extended
    benefits. Even if the game looks stagnant or mediocre, I can analyze it
    for another 30 seconds and usually come up with something that shakes
    things up. It's about seeing the forest for the trees instead of
    focusing on maybe 9 squares, checking the peripherals. It's about
    coming up with numerous options and taking the one that hits hardest. I
    played a guy that was 2300 for a couple months and he told me that you
    should re-assess the entire board every 2 moves. It's a strange lesson,
    but it's polarized enough to where maybe you can find some of the
    benefits. I don't even want to speculate on the actual reasons behind
    it, because this guy was GOOD.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Jhulian Waldby on Wed Nov 20 09:59:47 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    I'm not clear on these levels because I play against Stockfish through a >>> wrapper app called Simply Chess.  I know what you mean at the lower levels >>> about waiting for a mistake, such as the opponent undervaluing the queen >>> and taking a knight next to a pawn that can get it (something crazy). 
    These mistakes rapidly disappear as one climbs the levels.

    So tell us a bit about you? What level do you play? What's your
    favourite opening, and why? Are you a professional FIDE player?

    I've won on level 14 and usually play at 10. As white I often play Ruy Lopez, but am merely temporarily playing 2. Nf3 because I consider it a gimmick that only pays off against inexperienced players. I've opened up my competition to the occasional game against much higher ranks and have also moved up a good 100 points. The competition doesn't play the bad 2. ... Nf6 much anymore. As black, I use more imagination and have adopted King's Indian Defense and Sicilian Defense. King's Pawn feels weak to me. From what I've read it's a more staid approach whereas those two I use are volatile.

    Sometime last month I purchased an annual subscription to USCF I think it was. Unfortunately my mail often comes up suspiciously missing and I never received my card or the other materials I wanted.

    As for my play, while I can't seem to break the 1500 barrier, I put up a pretty good fight against anyone, even the guy I played recently with 2700 as a score.

    All my life I've played too fast. Maybe it's greater interest, but I've started really examining the board and not just throwing my pieces all over without scanning defenses thoroughly enough. This is a skill that needs a name, because now, 5 months later, I'm finding extended benefits. Even if the game looks stagnant or mediocre, I can analyze it for another 30 seconds and usually come up with something that shakes things up. It's about seeing the forest for the trees instead of focusing on maybe 9 squares, checking the peripherals. It's about coming up with numerous options and taking the one that hits hardest. I played a guy that was 2300 for a couple months and he told me that you should re-assess the entire board every 2 moves. It's a strange lesson, but it's polarized enough to where maybe you can find some of the benefits. I don't even want to speculate on the actual reasons behind it, because this guy was GOOD.


    Thank you very much for sharing! I do hope the mail problem is sorted out.
    =)

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  • From Jhulian Waldby@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Nov 20 18:04:13 2024
    William Hyde wrote:
    Jhulian Waldby wrote:
    D wrote:


    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    I'm not clear on these levels because I play against Stockfish
    through a wrapper app called Simply Chess.  I know what you mean at
    the lower levels about waiting for a mistake, such as the opponent
    undervaluing the queen and taking a knight next to a pawn that can
    get it (something crazy).  These mistakes rapidly disappear as one
    climbs the levels.

    So tell us a bit about you? What level do you play? What's your
    favourite opening, and why? Are you a professional FIDE player?

    I've won on level 14 and usually play at 10.

    We are talking about different levels here.  If you won versus the level
    14 I am thinking of, you'd be a very strong player.  If you score 50% vs level 10 you are a strong master, if not  an IM>

    I took a look around the system and believe that these are not "levels"
    but ranks of difficulty similar to ELO except in scale. Someone
    mentioned that on rank 100 he witnessed one pretty poor move (with all likelihood) by the AI. I went in and played rank 10 yesterday and
    destroyed the bot until something caused the window to stop responding.
    Does Stockfish have 100 levels? That would be a quite clear
    contradiction if it does not.

      As white I often play Ruy
    Lopez, but am merely temporarily playing 2. Nf3 because I consider it
    a gimmick that only pays off against inexperienced players.


    Whereas in fact it is one of the strongest moves for white in the game.
    Not to my taste, though.


     I've opened
    up my competition to the occasional game against much higher ranks and
    have also moved up a good 100 points.  The competition doesn't play
    the bad 2. ... Nf6 much anymore.

    The Petroff is quite solid.  Congratulations on your success against it,
    but don't get too confident.


      As black, I use more imagination and have
    adopted King's Indian Defense and Sicilian Defense.  King's Pawn feels
    weak to me.  From what I've read it's a more staid approach whereas
    those two I use are volatile.

    More or less.  But even 1 ... e5  can be a counterattacking opening for black, playing the Marshall or Schliemann against the Ruy, for example.

    Sometime last month I purchased an annual subscription to USCF I think
    it was.  Unfortunately my mail often comes up suspiciously missing and
    I never received my card or the other materials I wanted.

    Did they take your money?

    Yes. That should mean that my subscription is intact, even without the
    card. However, I was also investing in a memoir they are releasing next
    year and will probably miss out on that. I don't want to, but -oh-, I
    guess I could go after them for the stuff. The real barrier I don't
    want to approach is bringing up the subject of my missing mail with the
    local group; they've already been slippery and evasive on the matter.
    It's a battle and I've got some hidden assets of my own that I don't
    want them to garner from the experience.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Thu Nov 21 10:20:21 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:

    up my competition to the occasional game against much higher ranks and have >> also moved up a good 100 points.  The competition doesn't play the bad 2. >> ... Nf6 much anymore.

    The Petroff is quite solid. Congratulations on your success against it, but don't get too confident.

    I looked into the Petroff as black, but in the end, my choice (for the
    moment) is the scandinavian.

    As for my play, while I can't seem to break the 1500 barrier,


    In my experience barriers below 2200 may seem to last a long time, but if you keep at it you'll be looking at it in the rear view mirror before long.

    It is very interesting to think about how much effort it takes to move
    from a rating to another one. I imagine, as with most things, gains are
    very rapid in the beginning, to slow down later. I wonder if there are
    any "boosts" that could make the trip a bit quicker?

    Since I am not professional I just grind along, and hope to accumulate
    some chess wisdom eventually by osmosis and experience.

    William Hyde




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  • From D@21:1/5 to Jhulian Waldby on Thu Nov 21 10:23:15 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Jhulian Waldby wrote:

    something caused the window to stop responding. Does Stockfish have 100 levels? That would be a quite clear contradiction if it does not.

    The stockfish I play on lichess.org has 8 levels.

    Did they take your money?

    Yes. That should mean that my subscription is intact, even without the card. However, I was also investing in a memoir they are releasing next year and will probably miss out on that. I don't want to, but -oh-, I guess I could go after them for the stuff. The real barrier I don't want to approach is bringing up the subject of my missing mail with the local group; they've already been slippery and evasive on the matter. It's a battle and I've got some hidden assets of my own that I don't want them to garner from the experience.

    Probably just (hopefully!) an honest mistake. I would just grab my phone
    and call them. =)

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  • From Peter Steele@21:1/5 to Jhulian Waldby on Thu Dec 26 13:40:00 2024
    Jhulian Waldby wrote:
    I
    played a guy that was 2300 for a couple months and he told me that you
    should re-assess the entire board every 2 moves.  It's a strange lesson,
    but it's polarized enough to where maybe you can find some of the
    benefits.  I don't even want to speculate on the actual reasons behind
    it, because this guy was GOOD.



    I think I found an example of this. I attakked a knight with a pawn and
    black redirected with an attack in the center, which I had to handle. A
    couple moves more with some pawn moves and a queen advance, and then
    surveyed the entire board and there was the knight which had to be
    captured by the pawn which was a nice move and I end up 3 points ahead
    and with a firm offense down the center. After local responses one may
    need to take a look at the entire board every few moves so as to keep a
    firm grip.

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