• Re: I thought I knew all the rules...

    From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Tahitian pearl on Sat Mar 8 11:31:00 2025
    Tahitian pearl wrote:

    Timed out as white and achieved a draw, 1/2 - 1/2

    My guess it was because opponent had only a king - no means of
    bringing mate.

    Yeah, the "insufficient material" thing has caught me out a few
    times too...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sat Mar 8 22:39:00 2025
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:
    Tahitian pearl wrote:

    Timed out as white and achieved a draw, 1/2 - 1/2

    My guess it was because opponent had only a king - no means of
    bringing mate.

    Yeah, the "insufficient material" thing has caught me out a few
    times too...


    I was playing a complicated B+2P vs R endgame against stockfish on Lichess. On move 150 it resigned. Not a bug, but a feature to prevent games from going on too long.

    William Hyde


    Congratulations on the win! =) I wonder if that could be a thing? Playing
    into a locked down position and then just move my king 150 times and have
    it resign? ;)

    Jokes aside, can you offer lichess a draw? And if so, when will he accept?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Mar 9 12:07:53 2025
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    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:
    Tahitian pearl wrote:

    Timed out as white and achieved a draw, 1/2   -   1/2

    My guess it was because opponent had only a king - no means of
    bringing mate.

    Yeah, the "insufficient material" thing has caught me out a few
    times too...


    I was playing a complicated B+2P vs R endgame against stockfish on
    Lichess. On move 150 it resigned.  Not a bug, but a feature to prevent
    games from going on too long.

    William Hyde


    Congratulations on the win! =) I wonder if that could be a thing? Playing
    into a locked down position and then just move my king 150 times and have
    it resign? ;)

    Jokes aside, can you offer lichess a draw? And if so, when will he accept?


    As far as I know you cannot offer a draw. Rather than resign, I've become expert in making it repeat the position three times in a drawn game. But if its evaluation is even +.1, it will avoid this. Then you can try to play out to 50 moves without a capture or pawn push or, more economically, resign.

    Though as stockfish six or lower will lose many drawn or even won endings, care is required.

    William Hyde

    Do you have any new chess book recommendations? These web sites:

    https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess/chess.html https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/index.html
    http://www.chessarch.com/

    are all very interesting!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Mar 9 22:34:49 2025
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    Do you have any new chess book recommendations? These web sites:

    https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess/chess.html
    https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/index.html
    http://www.chessarch.com/

    are all very interesting!

    I cannot recall how much I've already recommended. Both Tim Krabbe and Edward Winter's sites are excellent, of course. Some writers put their personal history in game collections, examples being Keres, Larsen and

    Speaking of Keres, the world is a small place. After christmas I met an old friend from my university days. His father came to sweden as a child from estonia, as a refugee from ww2. He was into chess, and he did play Keres in some exhibition in Stockholm when he was young. Keres played multiple boards, and he I think stalemated. History just 2 connections away!

    Taimanov (all great collections anyway) while others stick to the games (Botvinnik, Fischer).

    If you want to know more about Emanuel Lasker I can recommend Soltis' "Why Lasker Mattters", but it is principally a collection of 100 well annotated games.

    I've always wanted to read Richard Forster's "Amos Burn", but last time I saw a copy for sale it was about three hundred dollars. Maybe it's time I looked again.

    Hans Ree's collected columns make good reading also, while Donner's "The King" is interestingly idiosyncratic.

    Of course I've left out Reti's classic "Masters of the chessboard", one game each by pretty much every significant player before 1930, with Reti's comments on the player's style.

    I frequently bugged Larry Parr to get his friend Larry Evans to write a book about his early years in chess, a period of US chess which is not well covered. Alas, I was not successful. I wonder if anyone who remembers that era is still alive?

    Thank you for the recommendations. I think Bobby Fisher and other stories, or another Sosonko book might be next on the list.


    William Hyde



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v]andrak|=e2=89=a1xX?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 17:12:49 2025
    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    Do you have any new chess book recommendations? These web sites:

    https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess/chess.html
    https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/index.html
    http://www.chessarch.com/

    are all very interesting!

    I cannot recall how much I've already recommended.  Both Tim Krabbe
    and Edward Winter's sites are excellent, of course.  Some writers put
    their personal history in game collections, examples being Keres,
    Larsen and

    Speaking of Keres, the world is a small place. After christmas I met an old friend from my university days. His father came to sweden as a child from estonia, as a refugee from ww2. He was into chess, and he did play Keres
    in some exhibition in Stockholm when he was young. Keres played multiple boards, and he I think stalemated. History just 2 connections away!

    Taimanov (all great collections anyway) while others stick to the
    games (Botvinnik, Fischer).

    If you want to know more about Emanuel Lasker I can recommend Soltis'
    "Why Lasker Mattters", but it is principally a collection of 100 well
    annotated games.

    I've always wanted to read Richard Forster's "Amos Burn", but last
    time I saw a copy for sale it was about three hundred dollars.  Maybe
    it's time I looked again.

    Hans Ree's collected columns make good reading also, while Donner's
    "The King" is interestingly idiosyncratic.

    Of course I've left out Reti's classic "Masters of the chessboard",
    one game each by pretty much every significant player before 1930,
    with Reti's comments on the player's style.

    I frequently bugged Larry Parr to get his friend Larry Evans to write
    a book about his early years in chess, a period of US chess which is
    not well covered.  Alas, I was not successful.  I wonder if anyone who
    remembers that era is still alive?

    Thank you for the recommendations. I think Bobby Fisher and other
    stories, or
    another Sosonko book might be next on the list.


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell. I was fascinated
    by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess. I played with a friend and he
    died of pneumonia a ways through. I had to go recover the Manual from
    among his estate via I think it was his sister.
    --
    1.11 hour the number of the beast I nearly died I came to shut you up I
    came to cut you down rip your soul apart Je got busy in Phonix fooled
    around in burlington got over easy from your Quebecois curling team

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 10:47:48 2025
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell. I was fascinated by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess. I played with a friend and he died of pneumonia a ways through. I had to go recover the Manual from among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a strong chess
    player?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v]andrak|=e2=89=a1xX?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 10:56:35 2025
    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was
    fascinated by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and he
    died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual from
    among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a
    strong chess
    player?

    It wasn't from a chess book that I made my greatest discovery, but
    learning pawns versus bishops and pawns versus knights from books such
    as Simple Chess, Power of Pawns in a directed fashion because I knew I
    had a deficit was very productive.
    --
    1.11 hrs the number of the beast You try to keep me in cages But baby
    you got to catch me first You think your love is contagious I do my best
    you cant do your worst

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v]andrak|=e2=89=a1xX?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 10:24:50 2025
    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was
    fascinated by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and he
    died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual from
    among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a
    strong chess
    player?

    Lasker's book is above all things, straightforward. Making me into a
    strong chess player came with reading 60 Memorable Games, Magnus
    Carlsen. At that point, my pawn game was still very weak however.
    --
    1.11 hrs the number of the beast You try to keep me in cages But baby
    you got to catch me first You think your love is contagious I do my best
    you cant do your worst

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 10:34:34 2025
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 14:19:49 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Do you have any new chess book recommendations? These web sites:

    https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess/chess.html
    https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/index.html
    http://www.chessarch.com/

    are all very interesting!

    I cannot recall how much I've already recommended. Both Tim Krabbe and >Edward Winter's sites are excellent, of course. Some writers put their >personal history in game collections, examples being Keres, Larsen and >Taimanov (all great collections anyway) while others stick to the games >(Botvinnik, Fischer).

    I'm fond of anything by Mikhail Shereshevsky - but beware there is a
    book called "The Shereshevsky Method" which is a condensed version of
    two of his books which while good I didn't enjoy nearly as much as I
    already owned one of them. (If you don't then highly recommended!)

    Still extremely high quality but less fun if you've already got (and
    read) one of them. Mostly covers games from the 1980-2000 period and
    is good on preparation for events.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to xmfuller@t.query.com on Mon Mar 10 10:44:29 2025
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:12:49 -0500, Xx/v]andrak|?xX
    <xmfuller@t.query.com> wrote:

    Speaking of Keres, the world is a small place. After christmas I met an old >> friend from my university days. His father came to sweden as a child from
    estonia, as a refugee from ww2. He was into chess, and he did play Keres
    in some exhibition in Stockholm when he was young. Keres played multiple
    boards, and he I think stalemated. History just 2 connections away!

    Great story - I met Keres at the 1975 Vancouver International which
    Keres won - and died on the way home from Vancouver whereon local
    organizers dubbed the event the Paul Keres Memorial which continues to
    this day (I've even directed a couple of them and assisted at several
    more). Been there done that got the autograph.

    As for connections, I lived in Winnipeg for several years and knew Abe
    Yanofsky who in his day knew everybody so my "2 connection" field is
    pretty large between Keres and Abe.

    I personally played a role in getting him removed from the FIDE
    International Arbiter list but in fairness it was two years after his
    passing and while FIDE had quickly removed him from their "Active GM"
    list had forgotten that like O'Kelly he was both GM and IA....

    I mentioned to the Canadian FIDE rep that 'much as I loved Abe don't
    you think it's time?' and he passed the word to FIDE.

    Of course then there was the time FIDE listed me as female and Lynn
    Stringer (of Victoria, BC) as male. (In her day she was the leading TD
    west of Toronto)

    https://www.arbormemorial.ca/en/sands-victoria/obituaries/evelyn-lynn-minerva-stringer/93502.html

    Moral of the story is that FIDE is very quick with changing their
    records when errors are brought to their attention.

    Nothing like being misgendered by FIDE!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 22:52:55 2025
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    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was fascinated by >>> the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and he
    died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual from
    among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a strong >> chess
    player?

    Lasker's book is above all things, straightforward. Making me into a strong chess player came with reading 60 Memorable Games, Magnus Carlsen. At that point, my pawn game was still very weak however.


    Are you as good as the legendary William Hyde would you say?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 22:53:52 2025
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    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was fascinated by >>> the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and he
    died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual from
    among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a strong >> chess
    player?

    It wasn't from a chess book that I made my greatest discovery, but learning pawns versus bishops and pawns versus knights from books such as Simple Chess, Power of Pawns in a directed fashion because I knew I had a deficit was very productive.


    I think from a meta-level, it is very good to know what you need to work
    at. Knowing that, is half the battle!

    Do you play with friends and family or only online? How did you realize
    what your weaknesses were?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Mar 10 22:58:15 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:12:49 -0500, Xx/v]andrak|?xX
    <xmfuller@t.query.com> wrote:

    Speaking of Keres, the world is a small place. After christmas I met an old >>> friend from my university days. His father came to sweden as a child from >>> estonia, as a refugee from ww2. He was into chess, and he did play Keres >>> in some exhibition in Stockholm when he was young. Keres played multiple >>> boards, and he I think stalemated. History just 2 connections away!

    Great story - I met Keres at the 1975 Vancouver International which
    Keres won - and died on the way home from Vancouver whereon local
    organizers dubbed the event the Paul Keres Memorial which continues to
    this day (I've even directed a couple of them and assisted at several
    more). Been there done that got the autograph.

    Very sad. I find your stories and others here very fascinating. They add a
    nice personal dimension to chess!

    Sometimes I feel bad that I don't have the time to spend on chess to make
    big improvements. But who knows? Maybe when I retire, there will be time
    for that. ;)

    I think another factor is that no one near me, except my wifes father,
    enjoys chess, so I don't naturally encounter any games.

    As for connections, I lived in Winnipeg for several years and knew Abe Yanofsky who in his day knew everybody so my "2 connection" field is
    pretty large between Keres and Abe.

    I personally played a role in getting him removed from the FIDE
    International Arbiter list but in fairness it was two years after his
    passing and while FIDE had quickly removed him from their "Active GM"
    list had forgotten that like O'Kelly he was both GM and IA....

    I mentioned to the Canadian FIDE rep that 'much as I loved Abe don't
    you think it's time?' and he passed the word to FIDE.

    Of course then there was the time FIDE listed me as female and Lynn
    Stringer (of Victoria, BC) as male. (In her day she was the leading TD
    west of Toronto)

    Lynn is a very tricky name! Kim is also very tricky! Parents who name
    their children Lynn or Kim are cruel.

    https://www.arbormemorial.ca/en/sands-victoria/obituaries/evelyn-lynn-minerva-stringer/93502.html

    Moral of the story is that FIDE is very quick with changing their
    records when errors are brought to their attention.

    Nothing like being misgendered by FIDE!

    So what's the latest FIDE gossip? Have they gotten over this Fischer chess upstarts yet, or are they still grumpy? We know you have the connections
    for the juiciest gossip! =D

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  • From D@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon Mar 10 22:59:46 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 14:19:49 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Do you have any new chess book recommendations? These web sites:

    https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess/chess.html
    https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/index.html
    http://www.chessarch.com/

    are all very interesting!

    I cannot recall how much I've already recommended. Both Tim Krabbe and
    Edward Winter's sites are excellent, of course. Some writers put their
    personal history in game collections, examples being Keres, Larsen and
    Taimanov (all great collections anyway) while others stick to the games
    (Botvinnik, Fischer).

    I'm fond of anything by Mikhail Shereshevsky - but beware there is a
    book called "The Shereshevsky Method" which is a condensed version of
    two of his books which while good I didn't enjoy nearly as much as I
    already owned one of them. (If you don't then highly recommended!)

    Still extremely high quality but less fun if you've already got (and
    read) one of them. Mostly covers games from the 1980-2000 period and
    is good on preparation for events.

    Shereshevsky is excellent and I recommend his books highly. The endgame was always the strongest part of my game, but if I'd read his books while I was still an active player I'd have improved vastly.

    I particularly enjoyed the games in which he played the Benko gambit, only to trade queens and with the pawn-down endgame. Given the frequency with which I drop pawns nowadays, it's a useful technique to have.

    But D is looking for books with some chess history, and aside from a few anecdotes, Shereshevsky is strictly technical.

    You know me well! I look at a book, and if it contains page after page of
    chess notation, without the slightest hint if a board, it is not for me.

    The Edward Lasker book is about as much as I can stomach. I enjoyed it! Personal stories interspersed with games. That's my melody!

    William Hyde



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v]andrak|=e2=89=a1xX?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 18:41:44 2025
    D wrote:


    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was
    fascinated by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and
    he died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual
    from among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a
    strong chess
    player?

    It wasn't from a chess book that I made my greatest discovery, but
    learning pawns versus bishops and pawns versus knights from books such
    as Simple Chess, Power of Pawns in a directed fashion because I knew I
    had a deficit was very productive.


    I think from a meta-level, it is very good to know what you need to work
    at. Knowing that, is half the battle!

    Do you play with friends and family or only online? How did you realize
    what your weaknesses were?

    I was hoping you had figured it out already and would tell me so I could
    hear it for myself.

    --
    1.11 hrs the number of the beast You try to keep me in cages But baby
    you got to catch me first You think your love is contagious I do my best
    you cant do your worst

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v]andrak|=e2=89=a1xX?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 18:40:43 2025
    D wrote:


    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, =?UTF-8?Q?Xx/v wrote:


    William Hyde



    My chess teacher, my uncle got me Chess inu Nutshell.  I was
    fascinated by the cover, but...
    Then I bought Lasker's Manual on Chess.  I played with a friend and
    he died of pneumonia a ways through.  I had to go recover the Manual
    from among his estate via I think it was his sister.

    This is very sad. Did you like Laskers book? Did it make you into a
    strong chess
    player?

    Lasker's book is above all things, straightforward.  Making me into a
    strong chess player came with reading 60 Memorable Games, Magnus
    Carlsen.  At that point, my pawn game was still very weak however.


    Are you as good as the legendary William Hyde would you say?
    I beat my uncle and my grandfather before he passed away.
    --
    1.11 hrs the number of the beast You try to keep me in cages But baby
    you got to catch me first You think your love is contagious I do my best
    you cant do your worst

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Fri Mar 28 13:08:07 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 14:15:32 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Shereshevsky is excellent and I recommend his books highly. The endgame
    was always the strongest part of my game, but if I'd read his books
    while I was still an active player I'd have improved vastly.

    I particularly enjoyed the games in which he played the Benko gambit,
    only to trade queens and with the pawn-down endgame. Given the frequency
    with which I drop pawns nowadays, it's a useful technique to have.

    But D is looking for books with some chess history, and aside from a few >anecdotes, Shereshevsky is strictly technical.

    And no question "The Shereshevsky Method" >is< an excellent book - but
    less excellent for me since I already had (and had read in detail)
    half the book - and it IS lightly condensed from the original edition.

    If you haven't already read one of the two books that went into it I
    would highly recommend it.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to xmfuller@t.query.com on Fri Mar 28 13:04:43 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:24:50 -0500, Xx/v]andrak|?xX
    <xmfuller@t.query.com> wrote:

    Lasker's book is above all things, straightforward. Making me into a
    strong chess player came with reading 60 Memorable Games, Magnus
    Carlsen. At that point, my pawn game was still very weak however.

    I don't know - I got a bit mind boggled by Lasker's philosophical
    parts in his Manual - especially his ruminations on Steinitz.

    Lasker's Manual of Chess was the first book I had to buy from the
    public library as that day I had been riding my bike to the library
    and had my books in my basket and hit a bump and my books went flying
    - Lasker's Manual (hard cover) was the only one that was damaged by
    contact with the pavement - that was when I was 14 - I've long ago
    bought a paperback version which I've hardly touched as I had read it
    3 or 4 times in my teens.

    (My current favorite is Keres' book on the 1948 Match-Tournament which
    is both full of great photos, attractively bound - including a ribbon
    book mark! - and of course lots of great games with great analysis)

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