• Gorgar strange behavior

    From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 15:04:37 2023
    My vintage Gorgar mostly works well. It's a great machine, and I even added a subwoofer for a realistic heartbeat! But I have the strangest set of seemingly unrelated problems. Several years ago I replaced the florescent displays with a modern LED
    version. Last year I replaced the CPU and driver boards with the Rottendog MPU327. I'm not sure if these problems started with the Rottendog swap or earlier, but I returned the Rottendog board and the replacement has the same problem. So it's probably
    not the Rottendog board. I since replaced the power supply, which didn't help either. Here are the problems, and hopefully someone here will have some troubleshooting suggestions:

    Going through the A, B, or C rollovers at the top registers multiple times. So instead of increasing the exit bonus by 1 point (3 for B), it advances by 1-4 at random. D and E at the bottom of the playfield also advance more times than they should.

    Completing A, B, and C for a 2x exit bonus often rings up twice making the bonus 3x.

    Each time a new game starts there's no heartbeat. Then once a few targets have been hit making their sounds, the heartbeat starts up and stays on through the game.

    The score displays for players 1 and 2 track correctly. But for players 3 and 4 the score keeps "slipping" and loses points. I'll have 150,000 points, then suddenly it shows 125,000. Then as play continues the score goes up again, randomly jumps to the
    correct number, then loses points again. The CPU knows the correct score, because if player 3 or 4 wins, that player's number flashes as the winner, even if the final score displayed is much less than players 1 and 2.

    All of the A-E rollover switches appear fine, and all of their diodes are working. Further, A-E do not all share either the same row or column.

    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Ethan Winer on Sun Mar 5 16:12:06 2023
    On 2023/03/05 3:04 p.m., Ethan Winer wrote:
    My vintage Gorgar mostly works well. It's a great machine, and I even added a subwoofer for a realistic heartbeat! But I have the strangest set of seemingly unrelated problems. Several years ago I replaced the florescent displays with a modern LED
    version. Last year I replaced the CPU and driver boards with the Rottendog MPU327. I'm not sure if these problems started with the Rottendog swap or earlier, but I returned the Rottendog board and the replacement has the same problem. So it's probably
    not the Rottendog board. I since replaced the power supply, which didn't help either. Here are the problems, and hopefully someone here will have some troubleshooting suggestions:

    Going through the A, B, or C rollovers at the top registers multiple times. So instead of increasing the exit bonus by 1 point (3 for B), it advances by 1-4 at random. D and E at the bottom of the playfield also advance more times than they should.

    Completing A, B, and C for a 2x exit bonus often rings up twice making the bonus 3x.

    Each time a new game starts there's no heartbeat. Then once a few targets have been hit making their sounds, the heartbeat starts up and stays on through the game.

    The score displays for players 1 and 2 track correctly. But for players 3 and 4 the score keeps "slipping" and loses points. I'll have 150,000 points, then suddenly it shows 125,000. Then as play continues the score goes up again, randomly jumps to the
    correct number, then loses points again. The CPU knows the correct score, because if player 3 or 4 wins, that player's number flashes as the winner, even if the final score displayed is much less than players 1 and 2.

    All of the A-E rollover switches appear fine, and all of their diodes are working. Further, A-E do not all share either the same row or column.

    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!

    Sounds like a driver board problem to me. Did you replace the driver
    board when you got the new MPU? The Molex interconnects can fail over
    time leading to erratic operation sometimes...

    What about the Switch Test? Do you only get get one registration for any
    of the A, B, or C rollovers or does the display flicker while you hold
    the wire actuator down?

    John :-#)#
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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Mon Mar 6 13:22:15 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:12:16 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/03/05 3:04 p.m., Ethan Winer wrote:
    My vintage Gorgar mostly works well. It's a great machine, and I even added a subwoofer for a realistic heartbeat! But I have the strangest set of seemingly unrelated problems. Several years ago I replaced the florescent displays with a modern LED
    version. Last year I replaced the CPU and driver boards with the Rottendog MPU327. I'm not sure if these problems started with the Rottendog swap or earlier, but I returned the Rottendog board and the replacement has the same problem. So it's probably
    not the Rottendog board. I since replaced the power supply, which didn't help either. Here are the problems, and hopefully someone here will have some troubleshooting suggestions:

    Going through the A, B, or C rollovers at the top registers multiple times. So instead of increasing the exit bonus by 1 point (3 for B), it advances by 1-4 at random. D and E at the bottom of the playfield also advance more times than they should.

    Completing A, B, and C for a 2x exit bonus often rings up twice making the bonus 3x.

    Each time a new game starts there's no heartbeat. Then once a few targets have been hit making their sounds, the heartbeat starts up and stays on through the game.

    The score displays for players 1 and 2 track correctly. But for players 3 and 4 the score keeps "slipping" and loses points. I'll have 150,000 points, then suddenly it shows 125,000. Then as play continues the score goes up again, randomly jumps to
    the correct number, then loses points again. The CPU knows the correct score, because if player 3 or 4 wins, that player's number flashes as the winner, even if the final score displayed is much less than players 1 and 2.

    All of the A-E rollover switches appear fine, and all of their diodes are working. Further, A-E do not all share either the same row or column.

    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!
    Sounds like a driver board problem to me. Did you replace the driver
    board when you got the new MPU? The Molex interconnects can fail over
    time leading to erratic operation sometimes...

    What about the Switch Test? Do you only get get one registration for any
    of the A, B, or C rollovers or does the display flicker while you hold
    the wire actuator down?

    John :-#)#
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    www.flippers.com
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    Thanks John. To be clear, the Rottendog MPU327 is a new board design that replaces both the CPU and driver boards with a single board. So there's no Molex connector as in the original board pair. I tried holding down the A rollover, and indeed it
    continues to register. Though not quickly in succession. When I first press it I get 2 or 3 hits, then a second or two later it registers several more, then a few seconds later a few more, etc. So it's not switch bounce either. Again, this is just one of
    several seemingly unrelated problems.

    You wrote above, "(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)" Am I posting in the wrong place? Is there a better place? I used to post here years ago, but I haven't kept up with pinball groups or forums.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 23:53:41 2023
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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Tue Mar 7 08:30:50 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:55:35 AM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/03/06 1:22 p.m., Ethan Winer wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:12:16 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/03/05 3:04 p.m., Ethan Winer wrote:
    My vintage Gorgar mostly works well. It's a great machine, and I even added a subwoofer for a realistic heartbeat! But I have the strangest set of seemingly unrelated problems. Several years ago I replaced the florescent displays with a modern LED
    version. Last year I replaced the CPU and driver boards with the Rottendog MPU327. I'm not sure if these problems started with the Rottendog swap or earlier, but I returned the Rottendog board and the replacement has the same problem. So it's probably
    not the Rottendog board. I since replaced the power supply, which didn't help either. Here are the problems, and hopefully someone here will have some troubleshooting suggestions:

    Going through the A, B, or C rollovers at the top registers multiple times. So instead of increasing the exit bonus by 1 point (3 for B), it advances by 1-4 at random. D and E at the bottom of the playfield also advance more times than they should.

    Completing A, B, and C for a 2x exit bonus often rings up twice making the bonus 3x.

    Each time a new game starts there's no heartbeat. Then once a few targets have been hit making their sounds, the heartbeat starts up and stays on through the game.

    The score displays for players 1 and 2 track correctly. But for players 3 and 4 the score keeps "slipping" and loses points. I'll have 150,000 points, then suddenly it shows 125,000. Then as play continues the score goes up again, randomly jumps to
    the correct number, then loses points again. The CPU knows the correct score, because if player 3 or 4 wins, that player's number flashes as the winner, even if the final score displayed is much less than players 1 and 2.

    All of the A-E rollover switches appear fine, and all of their diodes are working. Further, A-E do not all share either the same row or column.

    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!
    Sounds like a driver board problem to me. Did you replace the driver
    board when you got the new MPU? The Molex interconnects can fail over
    time leading to erratic operation sometimes...

    What about the Switch Test? Do you only get get one registration for any >> of the A, B, or C rollovers or does the display flicker while you hold
    the wire actuator down?

    John :-#)#
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    Thanks John. To be clear, the Rottendog MPU327 is a new board design that replaces both the CPU and driver boards with a single board. So there's no Molex connector as in the original board pair. I tried holding down the A rollover, and indeed it
    continues to register. Though not quickly in succession. When I first press it I get 2 or 3 hits, then a second or two later it registers several more, then a few seconds later a few more, etc. So it's not switch bounce either. Again, this is just one of
    several seemingly unrelated problems.

    You wrote above, "(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)" Am I posting in the wrong place? Is there a better place? I used to post here years ago, but I haven't kept up with pinball groups or forums.
    Hi!

    It sounds like the switch response is noisy if you are getting multiple closure indications while holding it steady closed.

    Do other switches behave the same way?

    Out of curiosity, did RD use 74HCxx(x) or 74HCTxx(x) chips for the
    switch matrix? I've had trouble in the past where they used 74HCxx(x) instead of the correct 74HCTxx(x) chips! took me the better part of an afternoon to catch that one on one of their boards (for Space Station)
    that had an erratic opto problem.

    You are posting on Usenet RGP newsgroup - you are doing just fine! I
    assume you are coming through Google Groups - that should be called
    Google USENET Groups but they didn't bother with the USENET part of the name...
    John :-#)#
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    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

    Thanks John for all your help so far. All of the logic chips on the entire board are labeled 74HCT## so it's not that. I also have the same RottenDog board in my Firepower machine, and that works fine. These boards have ROM code for a dozen or more
    Williams games, and you tell it which game it's in via DIP switches.

    There are several other problems unrelated to the rollovers, so I thought it might be a grounding problem, or a flaky ground connection. The last problem I mentioned initially, where the displayed score for players 3 and 4 "slips" and losing points,
    started when I replaced the power supply hoping that was the problem. I've wiggled all the connections, unseated and reseated and sprayed all the Molex connectors inline between the upper box and lower playfeld. I've seen (and fixed) a lot of
    issues with my machines, but I never saw anything like so many unrelated problems!

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 11:05:47 2023
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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 14:49:48 2023
    Make sure you have good ground connections between the boards and the
    power supply and power transformer. Use a voltmeter to compare grounds
    on the MPU, and Power supply, and then to the cabinet ground. All should
    be 0.00VDC/VAC.

    Bad grounds can cause all sorts of oddities...my Gottlieb Ground Cures
    showed that!
    John :-#)#
    --

    Good point John, I'll check all of those ground connections looking for zero point zero volts!

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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to Ethan Winer on Fri Mar 17 13:35:26 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-5, Ethan Winer wrote:
    Make sure you have good ground connections between the boards and the power supply and power transformer. Use a voltmeter to compare grounds
    on the MPU, and Power supply, and then to the cabinet ground. All should be 0.00VDC/VAC.

    Bad grounds can cause all sorts of oddities...my Gottlieb Ground Cures showed that!
    John :-#)#
    --
    Good point John, I'll check all of those ground connections looking for zero point zero volts!
    Sorry for the delay John, I had to finish another project.

    I measured both AC and DC between the metal chassis parts and the Ground test points on both the power supply and the combo CPU/Driver board. All were less than 10 mV. I also measured AC ripple on the 5V power supply test point, and that was around 1 mV.
    Any other suggestions for stuff to check? Again, it not just the repeating hits on only some switches, it's a variety of crazy unrelated issues.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 16:22:33 2023
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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 09:45:30 2023
    Good idea, but what a pain in the butt! I still have the original CPU/Driver board pair. But I'll check a few other things first. There's an electrolytic cap soldered to something near a solendoid that's hard to get to, that I don't know what it does.

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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 10:40:35 2023
    I looked carefully under the playfield for what I had thought were "mystery" parts, but saw that all three bumpers had the same arrangement. So I guess that's not the problem. Initially it looked like someone had tacked on some extra parts. So I give up
    for now, unless you can think of something else to check. All grounds are at the same zero volts. The power supply is new, and the Rottendog board is a new replacement for both the CPU and driver boards. The only original part is the sound board!

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  • From Ethan Winer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 10:43:16 2023
    Actually, I never checked the grounding under the playfield, the wire that loops all around as ground for all the switches and lamps etc. So I'll check that next to see if it's the same zero volts as the power supply.

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  • From Tonita zone callum@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 22:34:42 2023
    AUTOMATIC-Toyata Camry Le 2013; https://www.facebook.com/autosparepartsforsale2/ https://www.facebook.com/autosparepartsforsale2/
    I'm selling my 2016 Toyota camry SE, 30,000miles, 4 cly, automatic. Power windows, 2 set of tires with rims, ice cold A/C, cd /mp3 player, Gold Exterior and Tan interior. Car in very good condition comfortable driving Very clean inside and outside, no
    headache One owner, private sale, Pls only serious buyer's, slightly negotiable.
    https://www.facebook.com/autosparepartsforsale2/

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