• Second attempt at seeds

    From Carol@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 9 19:40:26 2025
    Ok, last year got a lot of sprouts then a final cold snap hit late out
    of season just as I put them out.

    They also didn't grow much as I had them over planted in the containers
    so I've been collecting things about the house that will do for bigger
    ones.

    I also picked up a grow light with 2 arms that twist all about and a 4
    pack of heater mats with individual temp control.

    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it is.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Carol on Thu Jan 9 19:08:07 2025
    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

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  • From Nyssa@21:1/5 to Carol on Fri Jan 10 09:18:03 2025
    Carol wrote:

    Ok, last year got a lot of sprouts then a final cold snap
    hit late out of season just as I put them out.

    They also didn't grow much as I had them over planted in
    the containers so I've been collecting things about the
    house that will do for bigger ones.

    I also picked up a grow light with 2 arms that twist all
    about and a 4 pack of heater mats with individual temp
    control.

    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before
    transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    Hi, Carol~~~~~

    I usually drag my plant lights out at the end of January/
    beginning of February, but only start the cool weather
    seeds at that time. Lettuce, onions, etc.

    I wait until around the end of February to start the warm
    weather crops such as tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, etc.
    Six to eight weeks before time to transplant them outside.

    Two reasons: 1) limited space even when I use two plant
    lights and 2) I don't want the plants getting too leggy
    when using the lights.

    Figure that getting the plants up to ~four inches or
    so before setting them outside, although towards that
    time I will set the flat of plants out on the deck for
    a few hours of real sunshine when weather permits to
    help them get used to being in the real world. ;)

    As Songbird noted, the temperature must be at least
    55F consistantly before transplanting the warm weather
    goodies.

    Another thing to keep in mind, especially down at VB
    is the wind. Strong winds can wipe out plants just
    as well as a cold snap. When in doubt, protect the
    newbies on windy days with some sort of barrier such
    as a piece of cardboard or other blocker to keep
    the plants upright and happy.

    More snow coming later today and tomorrow morning. Since
    we're only 90 miles apart, you'll be getting some of
    that too, I bet.

    Nyssa, who still has some snow on the ground from last
    weekend's snow dump

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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jan 10 16:30:44 2025
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year. This
    time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger containers gathered
    now as last time, they were getting pot bound before could transplant.

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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to Nyssa on Fri Jan 10 17:54:46 2025
    Nyssa wrote:

    Carol wrote:

    Ok, last year got a lot of sprouts then a final cold snap
    hit late out of season just as I put them out.

    They also didn't grow much as I had them over planted in
    the containers so I've been collecting things about the
    house that will do for bigger ones.

    I also picked up a grow light with 2 arms that twist all
    about and a 4 pack of heater mats with individual temp
    control.

    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before
    transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    Hi, Carol~~~~~

    Hey there!

    I usually drag my plant lights out at the end of January/
    beginning of February, but only start the cool weather
    seeds at that time. Lettuce, onions, etc.

    The sunroom ceiling is all phlorescents (sp?). Not strong ones but
    they work. The room is only heated with a space heater (cooled with a
    portable A/C). Too expensive to heat in winter so gets closed off
    then. That's why the heater mats. It stays above freezing but plan to
    start the warm weater folks 1 March or so, or heat the room a bit to at
    least 50F (with heat mats as well).

    I do have an interior room with a unique once 'entertainment' stand for
    the old big tube TVs that became a fishtank holder, now empty. I want
    to checkout the [lant light and if it works well, I'll get 4 more for
    it. One for the TV base and one for on top shelf. That room was a
    garage but we enclosed it with french doors to a family room. It's on
    the central A/C and heat.

    I wait until around the end of February to start the warm
    weather crops such as tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, etc.
    Six to eight weeks before time to transplant them outside.

    Sounds good!


    Two reasons: 1) limited space even when I use two plant
    lights and 2) I don't want the plants getting too leggy
    when using the lights.

    Figure that getting the plants up to ~four inches or
    so before setting them outside, although towards that
    time I will set the flat of plants out on the deck for
    a few hours of real sunshine when weather permits to
    help them get used to being in the real world. ;)

    As Songbird noted, the temperature must be at least
    55F consistantly before transplanting the warm weather
    goodies.

    That's where it's awkward here. Late cold snap in May got me last
    time. Dropped to 34F at night with windchill below it. Poof, lost
    half of it.

    Another thing to keep in mind, especially down at VB
    is the wind. Strong winds can wipe out plants just
    as well as a cold snap. When in doubt, protect the
    newbies on windy days with some sort of barrier such
    as a piece of cardboard or other blocker to keep
    the plants upright and happy.

    I have them in fairly protected spots.


    More snow coming later today and tomorrow morning. Since
    we're only 90 miles apart, you'll be getting some of
    that too, I bet.

    Yup. 2-4 inches. Some spots more but melt off will be fast, might be
    gone by Sunday?



    Nyssa, who still has some snow on the ground from last
    weekend's snow dump

    Missed me with that one!

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Carol on Fri Jan 10 22:40:41 2025
    On 1/10/2025 11:54 AM, Carol wrote:
    Nyssa wrote:

    Carol wrote:

    Ok, last year got a lot of sprouts then a final cold snap
    hit late out of season just as I put them out.

    They also didn't grow much as I had them over planted in
    the containers so I've been collecting things about the
    house that will do for bigger ones.

    I also picked up a grow light with 2 arms that twist all
    about and a 4 pack of heater mats with individual temp
    control.

    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before
    transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    Hi, Carol~~~~~

    Hey there!

    I usually drag my plant lights out at the end of January/
    beginning of February, but only start the cool weather
    seeds at that time. Lettuce, onions, etc.

    The sunroom ceiling is all phlorescents (sp?). Not strong ones but
    they work. The room is only heated with a space heater (cooled with a portable A/C). Too expensive to heat in winter so gets closed off
    then. That's why the heater mats. It stays above freezing but plan to
    start the warm weater folks 1 March or so, or heat the room a bit to at
    least 50F (with heat mats as well).

    Get some 1/2 inch pvc pipe and make a frame (or more) that you can
    drape clear plastic over to help hold that heat from the mats . You'll
    need to ventilate them periodically to keep excessive humidity down .
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    Snag
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Carol on Fri Jan 10 22:34:05 2025
    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year. This
    time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger containers gathered
    now as last time, they were getting pot bound before could transplant.


    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I read
    somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together . Seems to be
    working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .
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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Jan 11 20:50:11 2025
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant?
    Bell Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year. This
    time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger containers
    gathered now as last time, they were getting pot bound before could transplant.


    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I read
    somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together . Seems to
    be working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .

    Ok, I'll try 2. I got some better pots, silicone bottom so you can get
    them out better.

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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Jan 11 20:53:42 2025
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 11:54 AM, Carol wrote:
    Nyssa wrote:

    Carol wrote:

    Ok, last year got a lot of sprouts then a final cold snap
    hit late out of season just as I put them out.

    They also didn't grow much as I had them over planted in
    the containers so I've been collecting things about the
    house that will do for bigger ones.

    I also picked up a grow light with 2 arms that twist all
    about and a 4 pack of heater mats with individual temp
    control.

    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before
    transplant? Bell
    Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    Hi, Carol~~~~~

    Hey there!

    I usually drag my plant lights out at the end of January/
    beginning of February, but only start the cool weather
    seeds at that time. Lettuce, onions, etc.

    The sunroom ceiling is all phlorescents (sp?). Not strong ones but
    they work. The room is only heated with a space heater (cooled
    with a portable A/C). Too expensive to heat in winter so gets
    closed off then. That's why the heater mats. It stays above
    freezing but plan to start the warm weater folks 1 March or so, or
    heat the room a bit to at least 50F (with heat mats as well).

    Get some 1/2 inch pvc pipe and make a frame (or more) that you can
    drape clear plastic over to help hold that heat from the mats .
    You'll need to ventilate them periodically to keep excessive humidity
    down .

    Thanks!

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Carol on Sat Jan 11 17:07:32 2025
    On 1/11/2025 2:50 PM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant?
    Bell Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I think it
    is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year. This
    time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger containers
    gathered now as last time, they were getting pot bound before could
    transplant.


    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I read
    somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together . Seems to
    be working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .

    Ok, I'll try 2. I got some better pots, silicone bottom so you can get
    them out better.


    Have you tried using TP tubes ? Cut them in half , stand in a
    suitable container and fill with potting soil . Come time to transplant
    - whether to a larger container or to soil - just bury the tube , it'll decompose .
    --
    Snag
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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Jan 12 16:07:05 2025
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/11/2025 2:50 PM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant?
    Bell Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I
    think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year.
    This time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger
    containers gathered now as last time, they were getting pot
    bound before could transplant.

    Snag
    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I read somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together . Seems
    to be working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .

    Ok, I'll try 2. I got some better pots, silicone bottom so you can
    get them out better.


    Have you tried using TP tubes ? Cut them in half , stand in a
    suitable container and fill with potting soil . Come time to
    transplant - whether to a larger container or to soil - just bury
    the tube , it'll decompose .

    Snag, well meant but this is not suitable for the indoor setting.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Carol on Sun Jan 12 10:33:41 2025
    On 1/12/2025 10:07 AM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/11/2025 2:50 PM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before transplant?
    Bell Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia Beach, Zone 7A I
    think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures are
    consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells or
    frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if they
    drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's not a
    good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot they
    will be ok to start and get established. after they are
    established they will probably not need to be worried about
    as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last year.
    This time, 1 seed per container. I've got some bigger
    containers gathered now as last time, they were getting pot
    bound before could transplant.

    Snag
    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I read
    somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together . Seems
    to be working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .

    Ok, I'll try 2. I got some better pots, silicone bottom so you can
    get them out better.


    Have you tried using TP tubes ? Cut them in half , stand in a
    suitable container and fill with potting soil . Come time to
    transplant - whether to a larger container or to soil - just bury
    the tube , it'll decompose .

    Snag, well meant but this is not suitable for the indoor setting.


    Put the TP tubes in the cells of your starter trays .
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    Snag
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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Jan 12 18:16:09 2025
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:07 AM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/11/2025 2:50 PM, Carol wrote:
    Snag wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 10:30 AM, Carol wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    Carol wrote:
    ...
    Anyone know how high seedlings should be, before
    transplant? Bell Peppers mostly. I'm in Virginia
    Beach, Zone 7A I think it is.

    peppers love heat, so don't plan on setting them out until
    well after the ground has warmed up and the temperatures
    are consistently above 55F at the least. any cold spells
    or frosts may get them to drop leaves or kill them. if
    they drop leaves they can recover, but of course that's
    not a good thing for them.

    it can take some time for peppers to start and grow. i've
    put them out even after they've reached a foot and a half
    tall. as long as you keep them watered if it gets hot
    they will be ok to start and get established. after they
    are established they will probably not need to be worried
    about as much.


    songbird

    Thanks Songbird! I must have put them out too soon last
    year. This time, 1 seed per container. I've got some
    bigger containers gathered now as last time, they were
    getting pot bound before could transplant.

    Snag
    I plant 3-5 seeds per hole then thin to the 2 strongest . I
    read somewhere that peppers like to be planted close together
    . Seems to be working , I'm still using Serrano's from 2019 .

    Ok, I'll try 2. I got some better pots, silicone bottom so you
    can get them out better.


    Have you tried using TP tubes ? Cut them in half , stand in a
    suitable container and fill with potting soil . Come time to
    transplant - whether to a larger container or to soil - just bury
    the tube , it'll decompose .

    Snag, well meant but this is not suitable for the indoor setting.


    Put the TP tubes in the cells of your starter trays .

    Don't fit.

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