• Re: is there a record

    From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 15:11:47 2024
    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bf9e17fd8cfea33f85d787fedaa11551@www.novabbs.com...
    of the original dates of the writing of the songs?

    Think there are several such records, at least one that I know of:

    https://www.bjorner.com/chronologies.htm

    He was a Swedish most dedicated Dylan "researcher".
    One can read of him (Olof Björner) on Wikipedia also.
    The link is his own webpage.

    Take care
    LeoK


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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 15:45:43 2024
    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:62902de29239b1345a8f3b6fb7d9d143@www.novabbs.com...
    Thanks Leo...no, I guess it's kind of a different thing.

    I was looking for more like, Blowin' in the Wind written out for the
    first time, on paper, he said it took 10 minutes, and then, a date. For
    all the songs....wondering when they came into being, if a date could be
    said to be given.

    like i do pretty much, for my little pieces, which don't take that long
    to write, usually.

    //

    Well, if one knows which year, for example, Blowin' in the Wind, was
    written you can at least get the month of that year when Dylan wrote it.

    For example: https://www.bjorner.com/62.htm#_Toc514073045

    This link goes to the year of 62' (1962) and tells the month of April.
    Further there is a most detailed folio of each year, where maybe the day
    or compositions notes can be found.

    Bjorner is regarded being almost a perfectionist in his Dylan folio.
    (It's very much reading of all sorts of Dylan related stuff.)

    Take care
    //


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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 09:51:50 2024
    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3h4cv$38c77$1@dont-email.me...

    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:62902de29239b1345a8f3b6fb7d9d143@www.novabbs.com...
    Thanks Leo...no, I guess it's kind of a different thing.

    I was looking for more like, Blowin' in the Wind written out for the
    first time, on paper, he said it took 10 minutes, and then, a date. For
    all the songs....wondering when they came into being, if a date could be
    said to be given.

    like i do pretty much, for my little pieces, which don't take that long
    to write, usually.

    //

    Well, if one knows which year, for example, Blowin' in the Wind, was
    written you can at least get the month of that year when Dylan wrote it.

    For example: https://www.bjorner.com/62.htm#_Toc514073045

    This link goes to the year of 62' (1962) and tells the month of April.
    Further there is a most detailed folio of each year, where maybe the day
    or compositions notes can be found.

    Bjorner is regarded being almost a perfectionist in his Dylan folio.
    (It's very much reading of all sorts of Dylan related stuff.)

    Take care
    //


    Further, some of Bob Dylan's earlier songs were inspired from rumors.
    If the journalist Robert Shelton or Suze Rotolo (both deceased) among
    others maybe could give some hint. -And why not ask "HIM SELF"
    straight from the horse's mouth. (Joking..!!)

    To my understanding there may be some "higher" "people" involved
    into some of the rumors linked to some early Dylan songs.
    (Including Blowin' in the Wind.)

    //

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 11:34:42 2024
    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:facfd4583b3dad2d22fef80f2e40f83a@www.novabbs.com...
    LeoK wrote:

    Further, some of Bob Dylan's earlier songs were inspired from rumors.
    If the journalist Robert Shelton or Suze Rotolo (both deceased) among
    others maybe could give some hint. -And why not ask "HIM SELF"
    straight from the horse's mouth. (Joking..!!)

    To my understanding there may be some "higher" "people" involved
    into some of the rumors linked to some early Dylan songs.
    (Including Blowin' in the Wind.)

    //

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    i don't understand what you mean by songs "inspired from rumors," nor
    see how that could possibly be any kind of answer to the inquiry as to records of the first writings or typings of the songs, with some kind of
    date on them, or known date attributed to them.

    can you please explain/clarify these two things, especially the first
    one?

    btw, thanks about the april mention. i think i knew that a long time
    ago, and forgot. it sort of rang a bell, i THINK. maybe...maybe not.

    yes, definitely the cruelest month...makes me wonder about sad-eyed lady....when THAT was written!!!! i hate that song. simply sadistic, or masochistic, depending on your point of view.

    //

    It's rather well know among Dylan specialists or researchers that some
    of his songs were inspired from rumors. Bjorner does mention this in
    his folio-writings, especially if the lyrics in mind was rumor based.

    So, yes, Dylan uses rumors in his earlier songs, the issue is more from
    where they are coming. Probably only Dylan can answer on this.

    The second issue of yours I can only refer to Bjorner again (if not Dylan),
    who is one of the most outstanding Dylan fan with an exceptional folio.
    Still it's most tricky to go through all this writing of Bob's history of
    the actual creation moments of the songs. -And only some songs are
    reported in this manner.

    Concerning the month of "Sad Eyed Lady.." writing you may look
    in the www.azlyrics.com on the internet for to get the year, then maybe
    look into the Bjorner page for that year to get the month.

    It's a bit tricky, though.

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to LeoK on Sun Jun 2 11:42:54 2024
    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3hefq$3a19c$1@dont-email.me...

    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:facfd4583b3dad2d22fef80f2e40f83a@www.novabbs.com...
    LeoK wrote:

    Further, some of Bob Dylan's earlier songs were inspired from rumors.
    If the journalist Robert Shelton or Suze Rotolo (both deceased) among
    others maybe could give some hint. -And why not ask "HIM SELF"
    straight from the horse's mouth. (Joking..!!)

    To my understanding there may be some "higher" "people" involved
    into some of the rumors linked to some early Dylan songs.
    (Including Blowin' in the Wind.)

    //

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    i don't understand what you mean by songs "inspired from rumors," nor
    see how that could possibly be any kind of answer to the inquiry as to
    records of the first writings or typings of the songs, with some kind of
    date on them, or known date attributed to them.

    can you please explain/clarify these two things, especially the first
    one?

    btw, thanks about the april mention. i think i knew that a long time
    ago, and forgot. it sort of rang a bell, i THINK. maybe...maybe not.

    yes, definitely the cruelest month...makes me wonder about sad-eyed
    lady....when THAT was written!!!! i hate that song. simply sadistic, or
    masochistic, depending on your point of view.

    //

    It's rather well know among Dylan specialists or researchers that some
    of his songs were inspired from rumors. Bjorner does mention this in
    his folio-writings, especially if the lyrics in mind was rumor based.

    So, yes, Dylan uses rumors in his earlier songs, the issue is more from
    where they are coming. Probably only Dylan can answer on this.

    The second issue of yours I can only refer to Bjorner again (if not Dylan), who is one of the most outstanding Dylan fan with an exceptional folio.
    Still it's most tricky to go through all this writing of Bob's history of
    the actual creation moments of the songs. -And only some songs are
    reported in this manner.

    Concerning the month of "Sad Eyed Lady.." writing you may look
    in the www.azlyrics.com on the internet for to get the year, then maybe
    look into the Bjorner page for that year to get the month.

    It's a bit tricky, though.


    //

    .. and the answer is February, 1966.

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 12:46:33 2024
    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:83f8c59074409e112b0d35f44c8f74a7@www.novabbs.com...
    HI Leo,

    Okay, look. I STILL don't know what you mean by songs inspired by
    rumors.

    Can you cite even just one example, of a rumor, or rumors, which then "inspired" a specific song, and name that tune, to help me understand to
    what you are referring?

    You can take as many notes as you like, to respond, i have nothing else
    to do. I'm not going anywhere, old friend. Don't you know me by now?

    Btw, have you finally gotten home from work? Your dog was waiting
    faithfully for you the whole time, the poor thing. Like fire and ice, if
    you must know.

    Peace Out.

    Just call me....oh.....Barry's Big Fat Baby, or something, having a
    truly extra specially annoying day....now heading into day two without
    my medicine....

    //

    Well, I gotten Home from Work, that thread is done.

    With the "rumor"- based Dylan songs...
    I can only, for the moment, inform that I have read and "studied"
    the Olof Bjorner's Dylan folio long time ago, and there I saw
    noting with some early songs about (1960-1965), made by Bjorner,
    for example:

    1960 "Everytime I Hear The Spirit" - Rumoured composition.
    1960 "Greyhound Blues" - Rumoured composition.

    And so on..

    All this besides my own "suspicion" or "experience"
    or "imagination" that Bob Dylan, may as many others,
    no be as solitary or independent as humans are supposed
    being. Just look at the Trump people in US. Are they as
    self-aware and independent as people is thought to be?

    No, of course, not.

    Lot of people, all around the globe are "Trump" people.
    It's complicated, so I don't expect others to grasp it, still
    it's a most alarming situation for mankind.

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to LeoK on Tue Jun 4 00:36:21 2024
    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3heru$3a30i$1@dont-email.me...

    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3hefq$3a19c$1@dont-email.me...

    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:facfd4583b3dad2d22fef80f2e40f83a@www.novabbs.com...
    LeoK wrote:

    Further, some of Bob Dylan's earlier songs were inspired from rumors.
    If the journalist Robert Shelton or Suze Rotolo (both deceased) among
    others maybe could give some hint. -And why not ask "HIM SELF"
    straight from the horse's mouth. (Joking..!!)

    To my understanding there may be some "higher" "people" involved
    into some of the rumors linked to some early Dylan songs.
    (Including Blowin' in the Wind.)

    //

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    i don't understand what you mean by songs "inspired from rumors," nor
    see how that could possibly be any kind of answer to the inquiry as to
    records of the first writings or typings of the songs, with some kind of >>> date on them, or known date attributed to them.

    can you please explain/clarify these two things, especially the first
    one?

    btw, thanks about the april mention. i think i knew that a long time
    ago, and forgot. it sort of rang a bell, i THINK. maybe...maybe not.

    yes, definitely the cruelest month...makes me wonder about sad-eyed
    lady....when THAT was written!!!! i hate that song. simply sadistic, or
    masochistic, depending on your point of view.


    //

    Well, if we talk about this song..

    I too am a bit reluctant to this song... To my understanding or imagnation
    it was some type of farwell to Joan Baez who obviously was interested
    in Bob. (Some type of harsh jump to Sara Lownds which he met in 1965
    and the "Sad-Eyed Lady.." was some type of half-official statement.)

    The most probable reason was that Sara was pregnant when this song
    was wrtitten, February 1966, - Bob had almost no choice.)

    Maybe this is gossipping, still interesting..
    (One can still get these "facts" from the Bjorner/Dylan folio.)

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to LeoK on Tue Jun 4 01:13:14 2024
    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3lgkl$30s3$1@dont-email.me...

    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3heru$3a30i$1@dont-email.me...

    "LeoK" <1234@567.net> wrote in message news:v3hefq$3a19c$1@dont-email.me... >>>
    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:facfd4583b3dad2d22fef80f2e40f83a@www.novabbs.com...
    LeoK wrote:

    Further, some of Bob Dylan's earlier songs were inspired from rumors. >>>>> If the journalist Robert Shelton or Suze Rotolo (both deceased) among >>>>> others maybe could give some hint. -And why not ask "HIM SELF"
    straight from the horse's mouth. (Joking..!!)

    To my understanding there may be some "higher" "people" involved
    into some of the rumors linked to some early Dylan songs.
    (Including Blowin' in the Wind.)

    //

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    i don't understand what you mean by songs "inspired from rumors," nor
    see how that could possibly be any kind of answer to the inquiry as to >>>> records of the first writings or typings of the songs, with some kind of >>>> date on them, or known date attributed to them.

    can you please explain/clarify these two things, especially the first
    one?

    btw, thanks about the april mention. i think i knew that a long time
    ago, and forgot. it sort of rang a bell, i THINK. maybe...maybe not.

    yes, definitely the cruelest month...makes me wonder about sad-eyed
    lady....when THAT was written!!!! i hate that song. simply sadistic, or >>>> masochistic, depending on your point of view.


    //

    Well, if we talk about this song..

    I too am a bit reluctant to this song... To my understanding or imagination it was some type of farewell to Joan Baez who obviously was interested
    in Bob. (Some type of harsh jump to Sara Lownds which he met in 1965
    and the "Sad-Eyed Lady.." was some type of half-official statement.)

    The most probable reason was that Sara was pregnant when this song
    was written, February 1966, - Bob had almost no choice.)

    Maybe this is gossiping, still interesting..
    (One can still get these "facts" from the Bjorner/Dylan folio.)


    //

    Obviously the very accurate Bjorner/Dylan folio is a bit wrong when
    it claims that Bob's first child was born in summer 1966. Bob's first
    child was born in January 1966.

    It still doesn't change on the suspicion that Sara just "nicked" Bob
    from Joan by being pregnant. And thereafter Bob wrote the song
    mentioned here (Feb. 1966).

    Hmm...

    (I'm just talking to myself...)

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  • From pamina58@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 4 18:04:57 2024
    I think Bob wrote some, stole some, bought some and was given some…

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  • From LeoK@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 8 04:28:12 2024
    "pamina58" <pamelam1@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:e1561257f044fdba3fa7c257f09a15c8@www.novabbs.com...
    I think Bob wrote some, stole some, bought some and was given some…

    //

    I cannot really answer for what pamina58 are mentioning..

    For to just cite Dylan: "It's life and life only.."

    All sorts of things happens in life. -That's life.


    //
    LeoK


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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to LeoK on Sun Jun 9 05:08:56 2024
    LeoK wrote:


    "cheesetray" <roach4994@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bf9e17fd8cfea33f85d787fedaa11551@www.novabbs.com...
    of the original dates of the writing of the songs?

    Think there are several such records, at least one that I know of:

    https://www.bjorner.com/chronologies.htm

    He was a Swedish most dedicated Dylan "researcher".
    One can read of him (Olof Björner) on Wikipedia also.
    The link is his own webpage.

    Take care
    LeoK


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    Good find.

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  • From pamina58@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 17:27:20 2024
    Desire...

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