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    From Matt Faunce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 03:02:09 2021
    ***In this post I corrected the chart. I meant Bb minor where I had written
    Bb major.***

    The Neapolitan-6 chord can precede the tonic chord. In these cases, instead
    of the Neapolitan-6 chord I usually prefer to play a minor chord whose root
    is the minor seventh above the tonic tone, e.g., in the key of C major,
    I’ll play the Bb minor chord then the C major chord. This preserves most of the feel that I want from the Neapolitan chord but because it has one tone moving contrary to the others it’s richer than the Neapolitan chord.

    However, I prefer the Neapolitan-6 chord when going to the dominant chord, because this has contrary motion unlike the vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord.

    Here’s a chart.

    Richer:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the V chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Db major
    to G major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to a I chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to C major.

    Blander:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the I chord *does not have* contrary motion , e.g.,
    Db major to C major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord *does not have* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to G major.




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    Matt

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  • From Matt Faunce@21:1/5 to Matt Faunce on Fri Oct 22 20:10:43 2021
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:

    ***In this post I corrected the chart. I meant Bb minor where I had written Bb major.***

    The Neapolitan-6 chord can precede the tonic chord. In these cases, instead of the Neapolitan-6 chord I usually prefer to play a minor chord whose root is the minor seventh above the tonic tone, e.g., in the key of C major, I’ll play the Bb minor chord then the C major chord. This preserves most of the feel that I want from the Neapolitan chord but because it has one tone moving contrary to the others it’s richer than the Neapolitan chord.

    However, I prefer the Neapolitan-6 chord when going to the dominant chord, because this has contrary motion unlike the vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord.

    Here’s a chart.

    Richer:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the V chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Db major
    to G major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to a I chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to C major.

    Blander:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the I chord *does not have* contrary motion , e.g., Db major to C major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord *does not have* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to G major.


    By the chord change having or not having contrary motion, I’m referring to when the chords are in the close form and the voices move the most economically. I think the effect in this situation carries over to the
    effect of the chord change even when the chords are open and you purposely cause a melody to move from a tone in one chord to a tone in the next chord which is less economical.

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  • From Matt Faunce@21:1/5 to Matt Faunce on Mon Oct 25 19:09:01 2021
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:

    ***In this post I corrected the chart. I meant Bb minor where I had written >>> Bb major.***

    The Neapolitan-6 chord can precede the tonic chord. In these cases, instead >>> of the Neapolitan-6 chord I usually prefer to play a minor chord whose root >>> is the minor seventh above the tonic tone, e.g., in the key of C major,
    I’ll play the Bb minor chord then the C major chord. This preserves most of
    the feel that I want from the Neapolitan chord but because it has one tone >>> moving contrary to the others it’s richer than the Neapolitan chord.

    However, I prefer the Neapolitan-6 chord when going to the dominant chord, >>> because this has contrary motion unlike the vii chord, on the “flat
    seventh” scale degree, to the V chord.

    Here’s a chart.

    Richer:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the V chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Db major >>> to G major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to a I chord *has*
    contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to C major.

    Blander:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the I chord *does not have* contrary motion , e.g., >>> Db major to C major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord *does not
    have* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to G major.


    By the chord change having or not having contrary motion, I’m referring to >> when the chords are in the close form and the voices move the most
    economically. I think the effect in this situation carries over to the
    effect of the chord change even when the chords are open and you purposely >> cause a melody to move from a tone in one chord to a tone in the next chord >> which is less economical.



    Here are examples of the most economical, close form voice-leading of the Borrowed iv, Neapolitan-6, “Flat vii”, and Tritone Substitution, each leading to the tonic in the key of C major.

    Borrowed iv to I
    F minor to C major:

    c → c
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e

    Neapolitan-6 to I
    Db major to C major:

    d♭ ➘ c
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e

    Neapolitan in root position to I
    Db major to C major:

    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c

    Minor Flat vii to I
    Bb minor to C major:

    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c
    b♭ ➚ c

    Tritone Substitution to I (maj7)
    Db major to C major(7):

    c♭ ➚ c (c♭ → b)
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c


    Here are examples of the most economical, close form voice-leading of the Borrowed iv, Neapolitan-6, “Flat vii”, and Tritone Substitution, each leading to the dominant in the key of C major.

    Borrowed iv to V
    F minor to G major:

    c ➘ b
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g

    Neapolitan-6 to V
    Db major to G major:

    d♭ ➚ d
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g

    Neapolitan in root position to V
    Db major to G major:

    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g
    d♭ ➚ d

    Minor Flat vii to V
    Bb minor to G major:

    f ➚ g
    d♭ ➚ d
    b♭ ➚ b

    Tritone Substitution to V (or V7)
    Db major to G major (or G7):

    c♭ → b
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g (f → f)
    d♭ ➚ d



    It’s unfortunate that Usenet ignored my double spaces. It’ll be easier for you to read that if you copy it into your notepad and insert spaces so to vertically align the arrows. That’s because it’s important to see which cadences have contrary motion and which ones don’t.

    Notice the similarities in function and differences in quality, of how the first chord in each cadence relates to the second chord. For example, if
    you take the Flat-vii chord, b♭, d♭, f, and raise the b♭ to b, then you have a Tritone Substitution sans the fifth degree, b, d♭, f, which
    respelled and re-voiced is d♭, f, c♭: play each one going to C, or G, and listen.

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    Matt

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  • From Matt Faunce@21:1/5 to Matt Faunce on Mon Oct 25 18:28:18 2021
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:

    ***In this post I corrected the chart. I meant Bb minor where I had written >> Bb major.***

    The Neapolitan-6 chord can precede the tonic chord. In these cases, instead >> of the Neapolitan-6 chord I usually prefer to play a minor chord whose root >> is the minor seventh above the tonic tone, e.g., in the key of C major,
    I’ll play the Bb minor chord then the C major chord. This preserves most of
    the feel that I want from the Neapolitan chord but because it has one tone >> moving contrary to the others it’s richer than the Neapolitan chord.

    However, I prefer the Neapolitan-6 chord when going to the dominant chord, >> because this has contrary motion unlike the vii chord, on the “flat
    seventh” scale degree, to the V chord.

    Here’s a chart.

    Richer:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the V chord *has* contrary motion, e.g., Db major
    to G major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to a I chord *has*
    contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to C major.

    Blander:

    A Neapolitan-6 chord to the I chord *does not have* contrary motion , e.g., >> Db major to C major.

    A vii chord, on the “flat seventh” scale degree, to the V chord *does not
    have* contrary motion, e.g., Bb minor to G major.


    By the chord change having or not having contrary motion, I’m referring to when the chords are in the close form and the voices move the most economically. I think the effect in this situation carries over to the
    effect of the chord change even when the chords are open and you purposely cause a melody to move from a tone in one chord to a tone in the next chord which is less economical.



    Here are examples of the most economical, close form voice-leading of the Borrowed iv, Neapolitan-6, “Flat vii”, and Tritone Substitution, each leading to the tonic in the key of C major.

    Borrowed iv to I
    F minor to C major:

    c → c
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e

    Neapolitan-6 to I
    Db major to C major:

    d♭ ➘ c
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e

    Neapolitan in root position to I
    Db major to C major:

    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c

    Minor Flat vii to I
    Bb minor to C major:

    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c
    b♭ ➚ c

    Tritone Substitution to I (maj7)
    Db major to C major(7):

    c♭ ➚ c (c♭ → b)
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➘ e
    d♭ ➘ c


    Here are examples of the most economical, close form voice-leading of the Borrowed iv, Neapolitan-6, “Flat vii”, and Tritone Substitution, each leading to the dominant in the key of C major.

    Borrowed iv to V
    F minor to G major:

    c ➘ b
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g

    Neapolitan-6 to V
    Db major to G major:

    d♭ ➚ d
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g

    Neapolitan in root position to V
    Db major to G major:

    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g
    d♭ ➚ d

    Minor Flat vii to V
    Bb minor to G major:

    f ➚ g
    d♭ ➚ d
    b♭ ➚ b

    Tritone Substitution to V (or V7)
    Db major to G major (or G7):

    c♭ → b
    a♭ ➘ g
    f ➚ g (f → f)
    d♭ ➚ d


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    Matt

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  • From Matt Faunce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 27 05:13:49 2021
    Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:

    ***In this post I corrected the chart. I meant Bb minor where I had written
    Bb major.***

    The Neapolitan-6 chord can precede the tonic chord. In these cases, instead
    of the Neapolitan-6 chord I usually prefer to play a minor chord whose root
    is the minor seventh above the tonic tone, e.g., in the key of C major, >>>> I’ll play the Bb minor chord then the C major chord. This preserves most of
    the feel that I want from the Neapolitan chord but because it has one tone >>>> moving contrary to the others it’s richer than the Neapolitan chord. >>>>

    Take a look at, and a listen to, the fifth stanza of Palestrina’s Stabat Mater. Here’s a video showing the sheet music, with lyrics, with the Tallis Scholars singing. Start at 3:42. https://youtu.be/Gz9o-wF7RoU

    You can think of the first phrase (the first four measures) of this stanza
    as being in the key of E major, the second phrase (also four measures long)
    as being in A major, and the main key of D major starting the third phrase.

    In this way of thinking, he ends the first two phrases with N, flat-vii,
    I.* In the first phrase the cadence is F major, D minor, E major, which
    goes with the lyrics, “fons amoris”; in the second phrase it’s Bb major, G
    minor, A major, which goes with “vim doloris.”

    The Neapolitan chord relates to the I chord similarly to how the VI chord relates to the V chord. The flat-vii chord relates to the I chord similarly
    to how the iv chord relates to the V chord. With this in mind, consider
    this alternative analysis of Palestrina’s stanza:

    If you think of the whole piece being in the key of D major, the second
    phrase is in dominant harmony and the first phrase is in secondary-dominant (V/V) harmony. In this way of thinking, the second phrase ends with, not N
    vii I, but VI iv V. Then that V leads you to the I chord that finally
    appears in the 9th measure, singing “Fac.” The first phrase ends with VI/V iv/V V/V.

    After the D major at the start of the 9th measure, Palestrina quickly takes
    you back to dominant harmony, then to secondary-dominant harmony, back to dominant harmony until the final chord in the tonic of D major. All the way through he borrows a lot from the parallel minor…


    *Note:

    N = Neapolitan chord in root position.

    flat-vii = the minor chord built on the minor-seventh above the tonic tone.

    I = major tonic chord.

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    Matt

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