• Re: Meera Dev Burman - Travesty of Time?

    From S P@21:1/5 to a111...@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 22 18:46:08 2023
    On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 8:28:48 AM UTC-6, a111...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 21, 2007 at 12:54:54 AM UTC+5:30, Ketan wrote:
    In article <1190297256.0...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, UVR says...

    If the treatment a father would mete out to his son is no better than >that the treatment he would mete out to his professional colleagues, >there is something really sorry in the state of affairs. Or vice
    versa.
    E.g., a 'prince' who overthrows his own father to occupy the throne
    by force is universally viewed in a much more damning light than
    one who mounts an attack on another king sans casus belli.

    So you are comparing Aurangzeb to Dubya? I can just hear Aurangzeb saying "I am
    a bigger posterior orifice than you are" and Dubya saying "Bring it on".

    Stealing may be the norm in the industry, but stealing (if indeed
    that was done) from one's own son is still something hard to
    digest.

    I repeat---we have no idea what RD had composed and hence we have no idea what
    SDB "stole".

    I don't even think the word "stealing" is appropriate here. Various articles
    have written that SDB heard RDB humming/whistling a tune and RD was surprised to
    see it as a song in Funtoosh. I would be hard pressed to believe RD was humming/whistling the prelude-mukhdaa-interlude(s)-antara-coda of "Ai meri topi
    palat ke aa".

    As for the treatement meted out by a parent to their child, Majrooh has himself
    said, when RD was the assistant, SD was tougher on him than he was on Jaidev.
    SDB didn't want to show any leniency to RD on account of his being the son. He
    is not the first person to do that nor will he be the last. This is a universal
    thing and something that has been featured even in Archie comics--Chuck and
    Coach Clayton.

    As regards my quiz:

    I had in mind Roshan taking permission from SDB for "Rahen na rahen hum" and
    S-E-L taking permission for Pretty Woman. Why Roshan had to take permission for
    the Mamta song and not the Chandni Chowk song is something that perplexes me. I
    had no idea SDB had taken permission for the Buzdil song and had forgotten that
    Roshan took permission for the Barsaat ki Raat qawalli.

    As for acknowledgements--my question was misworded. I had the MM-Sajjad episode
    in mind but MM did not acknowledge it till he was confronted. The only other
    instance I can think of is RD saying in an interview that he had based "Saagar
    Kinare" on "Thandi Hawayen" and "Rahen na rahen hum". Why he didn't acknowledge
    this for the Naram Garam song which was composed before Saagar is another thing
    that perplexes me.


    Ketan
    Dear Ketan - the song 'saagar kinaare .....' from 'saagar' is a ditto copy of madan mohan's song ' yehi hai tamanna , tere ghar ke saamne , meri jaan jaaye' ... sung by Rafi . listen to both songs and you'll at once believe this . ..... WELL WISHER
    AKHTAR ALI .
    And yehi hai tamanna is a dito copy of s d burman's thandi hawayein

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  • From S P@21:1/5 to S P on Wed Oct 4 18:05:02 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:46:11 PM UTC-5, S P wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 8:28:48 AM UTC-6, a111...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 21, 2007 at 12:54:54 AM UTC+5:30, Ketan wrote:
    In article <1190297256.0...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, UVR says...

    If the treatment a father would mete out to his son is no better than >that the treatment he would mete out to his professional colleagues, >there is something really sorry in the state of affairs. Or vice >versa.
    E.g., a 'prince' who overthrows his own father to occupy the throne
    by force is universally viewed in a much more damning light than
    one who mounts an attack on another king sans casus belli.

    So you are comparing Aurangzeb to Dubya? I can just hear Aurangzeb saying "I am
    a bigger posterior orifice than you are" and Dubya saying "Bring it on".

    Stealing may be the norm in the industry, but stealing (if indeed
    that was done) from one's own son is still something hard to
    digest.

    I repeat---we have no idea what RD had composed and hence we have no idea what
    SDB "stole".

    I don't even think the word "stealing" is appropriate here. Various articles
    have written that SDB heard RDB humming/whistling a tune and RD was surprised to
    see it as a song in Funtoosh. I would be hard pressed to believe RD was humming/whistling the prelude-mukhdaa-interlude(s)-antara-coda of "Ai meri topi
    palat ke aa".

    As for the treatement meted out by a parent to their child, Majrooh has himself
    said, when RD was the assistant, SD was tougher on him than he was on Jaidev.
    SDB didn't want to show any leniency to RD on account of his being the son. He
    is not the first person to do that nor will he be the last. This is a universal
    thing and something that has been featured even in Archie comics--Chuck and
    Coach Clayton.

    As regards my quiz:

    I had in mind Roshan taking permission from SDB for "Rahen na rahen hum" and
    S-E-L taking permission for Pretty Woman. Why Roshan had to take permission for
    the Mamta song and not the Chandni Chowk song is something that perplexes me. I
    had no idea SDB had taken permission for the Buzdil song and had forgotten that
    Roshan took permission for the Barsaat ki Raat qawalli.

    As for acknowledgements--my question was misworded. I had the MM-Sajjad episode
    in mind but MM did not acknowledge it till he was confronted. The only other
    instance I can think of is RD saying in an interview that he had based "Saagar
    Kinare" on "Thandi Hawayen" and "Rahen na rahen hum". Why he didn't acknowledge
    this for the Naram Garam song which was composed before Saagar is another thing
    that perplexes me.


    Ketan
    Dear Ketan - the song 'saagar kinaare .....' from 'saagar' is a ditto copy of madan mohan's song ' yehi hai tamanna , tere ghar ke saamne , meri jaan jaaye' ... sung by Rafi . listen to both songs and you'll at once believe this . ..... WELL WISHER
    AKHTAR ALI .
    And yehi hai tamanna is a dito copy of s d burman's thandi hawayein

    Please please please dont call asha bhosle wife of RD and Meera Dev Burman's Bahu, its an insult to the whole burman family.
    Meera ji had said this marraige can happen over her dead body..... Here is the reality

    RD Burman Asha Bhosle marriage is one of many "cooked up" stories of bollywood.

    Till date no marriage certificate or photos have been found, as a result courts hv refused to give legal rights to bhosle of rd's last residence Maryland.

    Insiders say Asha, Lata forced rd to marry her, else they wld stop singing for him, a got up marriage was set up, camera flashes were there but in reality no photo was ever taken and ofcourse no marraige

    One shld know Meera DevBurman, mother of rd said you can marry Asha over my dead body., soon she was brain damaged and this marriage facade took place around 1980.

    Who wld willingly marry a person who ran away at 16 to hv a marraige, produce 3 kids, then for 14 yrs in relation with another person (o p nayyer), ruining his family life, then found rising music director, 6 yrs younger to her, RD to climb up the ladder

    When rd went to england for open heart surgery in late 1980's he went alone, where was this so called wife, can any normal person be so cruel, let alone a wife

    Worse is yet to come....
    After RD's death, Asha bhosle secretly sent old widow suffering from alzhimer's to a far off oldage home in order to enjoy the whole house of RD by the Bhosles.
    But destiny has its own way, Tripura govt decided to felicitate Meera Dev Burman, wife of SD, belonging to the Royal family of Tripura. So they found her out, soon media came to know and bhosle had to bring back Meera ji to her own house, she was in a
    state of comma.
    Ppl must think before blindly praising the mangeshkar sisters, they may be good singer not g

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