• Anyone Interested In A Great Western?

    From Bill B@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 03:09:49 2023
    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bill B on Fri Oct 20 07:34:11 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 6:09:50 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:

    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.

    "Great Western" is an oxymoron.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bill B on Fri Oct 20 10:06:11 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 12:36:56 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:34:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 6:09:50 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:

    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.

    "Great Western" is an oxymoron.

    See if watching it changes your mind.

    Okay, I'll watch at least the first episode when I can.

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  • From Bill B@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 20 09:36:55 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:34:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 6:09:50 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:

    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.
    "Great Western" is an oxymoron.

    See if watching it changes your mind.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 11:07:35 2023
    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 20 11:11:02 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.

    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."

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  • From Bill B@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 20 11:59:06 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."

    Sounds like a phobia to me. Did you fall off a pony at your grandfather's stable?

    Don't you watch the rebirth of the original Law & Order? Sam Waterston is now the District Attorney after many years as the Chief Prosecutor.

    I hope someone here is more open minded than you and gives it a fair chance.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bill B on Fri Oct 20 12:11:35 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Sounds like a phobia to me. Did you fall off a pony at your grandfather's stable?

    Jews don't have horses. He had a boat at one time I hear. I only saw Herman like 10-12 times in my life. By the time I was like 5 he was living in a NYC apartment with his goomar. They told us that he was busy and he slept at work. And Pop Pop Grossberg
    was a shoe salesman who lived in North Bergen. No horses there.

    Don't you watch the rebirth of the original Law & Order? Sam Waterston is now the District Attorney after many years as the Chief Prosecutor.

    No, I tired of the entire Law & Order franchise many years ago.

    I hope someone here is more open minded than you and gives it a fair chance.

    The 35 minutes I watched it was a very fair chance for me with a western.

    Have you watched Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 20 11:50:49 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."

    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners
    2 - The Sopranos
    3 - Curb Your Enthusiasm
    4 - Dallas
    5 - Sgt. Bilko
    6 - The Odd Couple
    7 - Little House On The Prairie
    8 - Hogan's Heroes
    9 - Married With Children
    10 - Mission Impossible
    11 - M*A*S*H
    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)
    13 - All In The Family
    14 - Taxi
    15 - Sanford And Son
    16 - House M.D.
    17 - Breaking Bad
    18 - The Andy Griffith Show
    19 - Get Smart
    20 - Crime Story
    21 - Seinfeld
    22 - I Love Lucy
    23 - Cheers
    24 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
    25 - Boardwalk Empire
    26 - Beverly Hills 90210
    27 - Saturday Night Live (1975-1980)
    28 - Columbo
    29 - The Wild, Wild West
    30 - Green Acres
    31 - Wise Guy
    32 - Happy Days
    33 - The Rockford Files
    34 - Amos And Andy
    35 - The Cosby Show
    36 - White Collar
    37 - Treme
    38 - Fernwood 2-Night
    39 - The Waltons
    40 - Barney Miller
    41 - The White Shadow
    42 - Real Time With Bill Maher
    43 - In Living Color
    44 - 60 Minutes
    45 - The Partridge Family
    46 - The Wonder Years
    47 - It Takes A Thief
    48 - Magnum P.I.
    49 - Kojak
    50 - Pawn Stars
    51 - You Bet Your Life
    52 - The Bob Newhart Show
    53 - The Dick Van Dyke Show
    54 - The Golden Girls
    55 - The Bugs Bunny Show
    56 - Mister Ed
    57 - The Addams Family
    58 - Banacek
    59 - The Twilight Zone
    60 - Star Trek
    61 - Sex And The City
    62 - Soundstage
    63 - Leverage
    64 - Blue Bloods
    65 - Alfred Hitchcock Presents
    66 - The Outer Limits
    67 - Major Crimes
    68 - In Plain Sight
    69 - Rizzoli & Isles
    70 - Better Call Saul
    71 - Criminal Minds
    72 - Law And Order: Special Victims Unit
    73 - Jeopardy
    74 - CSI: Crime Scene Investigation
    75 - The Equalizer
    76 - The Avengers
    77 - The Fugitive
    78 - The Jack Benny Program
    79 - F Troop
    80 - The Bevery Hillbillies
    81 - Petticoat Junction
    82 - Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel
    83 - Alaskan Bush People
    84 - Buffalo Bill
    85 - Sons And Daughters
    86 - Everybody Hates Chris
    87 - Top Cat
    88 - McHale's Navy
    89 - The Flip Wilson Show
    90 - This Week in Baseball
    91 - Naked And Afraid
    92 - Adventures of Superman
    93 - Good Times
    94 - The Munsters
    95 - The A Team
    96 - Law And Order
    97 - Shark Tank
    98 - Hardball with Chris Mathews
    99 - NCIS
    100 - Oz

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  • From Bill B@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 20 12:59:18 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:11:36 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:


    Have you watched Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul?

    Every episode of both. I'd rate both highly, but not on a par with Godless.

    Why did you get involved in this thread anyway? It was specifically targeted for those who enjoyed Westerns.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bill B on Fri Oct 20 14:26:16 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:59:19 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:11:36 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:


    Have you watched Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul?

    Every episode of both. I'd rate both highly, but not on a par with Godless.

    Interesting. Many critics rate Breaking Bad as a top 3 show all time.

    It's # 3 on the Rolling Stone list. Ironically #2 is a long running show that I've never seen, The Simpsons.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/best-tv-shows-of-all-time-1234598313/breaking-bad-6-1234599294/

    This list has "Better Call Saul" # 6 and "Breaking Bad" # 12.

    https://screenrant.com/best-tv-shows-of-all-time/#better-call-saul-2015-2022

    IMDB has "Breaking Bad" number one.

    https://www.imdb.com/chart/toptv/

    Other highly acclaimed shows include "Game Of Thrones" which I've never seen and "The Wire" which I tried for a few episodes but could not get into.

    Why did you get involved in this thread anyway? It was specifically targeted for those who enjoyed Westerns.

    Just to say that I never "got" what people like about Westerns. I mean the big ones like Bonanza and "Gunsmoke" if you've seen one episode you've seen them all. The main characters always have trouble with somebody and by the end of the episode the
    troublemaker has been defeated.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bill B on Fri Oct 20 20:32:04 2023
    On 10/20/2023 6:09 AM, Bill B wrote:
    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.
    ----------
    This show is from 2017. I've never heard or read any mention of it
    before. How did you find out about it?
    (Just curious, I looked up the Wikipedia article about it and it doesn't
    appeal to me.)

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 00:54:10 2023
    On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 03:09:49 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bbug2@optonline.net>
    wrote:

    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.

    a REVIEW (not just a mechanical Wiki-like description) by Sophie
    Gilbert, a staff writer at The Atlantic; she was a finalist for the
    2022 Pulitzer Prize in Criticism:

    (even if you're not into intellectual critique, this review also has a
    colorful and absorbing account of the narrative)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/godless-review-netflix/546719/

    "Westerns celebrate the heroic individual rather than the
    well-orderedbut inevitably vulnerablecommunity. They glorify
    domination, whether over Native Americans or the treacherous terrain
    of the frontier. And they fetishize guns, which unfailingly allow
    heroes to safeguard democracynever mind the collateral damage of
    bodies littered in the streets after each epic confrontation.
    *Rather than endorse these motifs, though, Godless leads viewers
    to interrogate them.* The series is built around an inevitable
    showdown between Frank Griffin (Jeff Daniels) and Roy Goode (Jack
    OConnell)a battle between Goode and evil. Frank is a wickedly
    charismatic outlaw who dresses {but does not act} like a preacher and
    bestows biblical fury upon anyone in his path. Roy is his proteg
    turned mortal enemy, an orphan whom Frank unofficially adopted as his
    favorite son, and whose desertion precipitated Franks most heinous
    act yet: the murder of an entire town, the wreckage of which is
    detailed in the opening scene."

    Wiki excerpt:
    "In the series, set in 1884, a young outlaw, on the run from his
    vengeful mentor, winds up in a small New Mexico town, La Belle,
    populated and managed almost entirely by women after nearly all the
    men were killed, a few years earlier, in a mining accident."

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 21 00:45:45 2023
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    59 - The Twilight Zone

    After many years off UK screens the original "Twilight Zone" is back on one of the satellite TV catch up channels. So many favorite episodes here but a real standout for me was the classic "The Howling Man"

    60 - Star Trek

    Another US hit that has NEVER ever been off TV here since the 60's

    76 - The Avengers

    Wow! A rare UK made TV show (and sadly one I never warmed to)---my list would carry a lot more home grown hits like "Monty Python",""Fawlty Towers".the three excellent BBC Quatermass serials,"The Sweeney" etc

    87 - Top Cat

    This had to be retitled "Boss Cat" over here as Top Cat was the name of a brand of best selling tinned cat food

    92 - Adventures of Superman

    Sorry but even as a kid I found it hard to accept George Reeves as Supie. Better in my book as Kirk Alyn in the two old Columbia Superman serials

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  • From Bill B@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 21 02:54:37 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:32:06 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 6:09 AM, Bill B wrote:
    Godless on Netflix. A seven episode miniseries. On the rating scale used here, it's a high ten! I watched it twice and that is exceedingly rare for me.
    ----------
    This show is from 2017. I've never heard or read any mention of it
    before. How did you find out about it?

    It was listed on the Netflix home page as an available title.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 21 07:56:37 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:45:47 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:

    34 - Amos And Andy
    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    The episodes are on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrFiKcBdCx8&list=PL-IGtTLDrUKRlI3T_TjA3EMXLeMyW4Iwm

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Oct 21 11:00:00 2023
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate


    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 21 08:46:00 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 15:56:39 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:45:47 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:

    34 - Amos And Andy
    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate
    The episodes are on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrFiKcBdCx8&list=PL-IGtTLDrUKRlI3T_TjA3EMXLeMyW4Iwm

    Wonderful! I meant never to be seen again on UK TV but thanks for the YT tip

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 21 10:07:20 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie." >> Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience

    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Sat Oct 21 09:25:57 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 21 12:48:40 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like. >>
    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)

    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network wanted to put
    it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    By the way, it's not available on any TV channel here.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 21 12:27:59 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie." >> Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 21 16:54:36 2023
    On 10/21/2023 3:45 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:


    76 - The Avengers

    Wow! A rare UK made TV show (and sadly one I never warmed to)---my
    list would carry a lot more home grown hits like "Monty Python",""Fawlty Towers".the three excellent BBC Quatermass serials,"The Sweeney" etc------------
    Until "The Sopranos" came along, the best show I ever saw on TV was "I, Claudius."
    -------------->
    87 - Top Cat

    This had to be retitled "Boss Cat" over here as Top Cat was the name
    of a brand of best selling tinned cat food

    92 - Adventures of Superman

    Sorry but even as a kid I found it hard to accept George Reeves as
    Supie. Better in my book as Kirk Alyn in the two old Columbia Superman
    serials
    ------------
    Phyllis Coates, who played Lois in the first season of the TV
    "Superman," recently died--she made it to 96! The obit explained how
    Noelle Neal played the part in the movies but couldn't do the TV show
    because of prior commitments. When she became available in time for
    Season 2, Phyllis got the axe.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 21 13:37:29 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 20:48:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> >
    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)
    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network wanted to
    put it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    When "Amos And Andy" first showed here it was on the BBC circa 1955 or so. As I recall it was popular and ran for a couple of years without any fuss or fanfare or adverse comment. .I've never heard of it causing any friction with the UK black audience.

    But the TV climate in the UK today is very different and being familiar with it led me to make the "likely never to be seen again ever thanks to today's "woke" climate" comment which is my firm opinion and which I don't quite see how you can refute so
    strongly when I am over here as part of the current UK TV audience (already living with the banning of the 70's comedy sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour" featuring a black family)---and you are not

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 21 14:54:10 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:31 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 20:48:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> >
    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)
    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network wanted to
    put it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    When "Amos And Andy" first showed here it was on the BBC circa 1955 or so. As I recall it was popular and ran for a couple of years without any fuss or fanfare or adverse comment. .I've never heard of it causing any friction with the UK black audience.

    But the TV climate in the UK today is very different and being familiar with it led me to make the "likely never to be seen again ever thanks to today's "woke" climate" comment which is my firm opinion and which I don't quite see how you can refute so
    strongly when I am over here as part of the current UK TV audience (already living with the banning of the 70's comedy sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour" featuring a black family)---and you are not

    Can you give us a link to any article or anything that substantiates what you are saying about wokeness keeping old shows off of UK television?

    Why would woke people want to ban a 70s show about a black family? If anything woke people want more shows about black familes.

    By the way, did it ever occur to you that Amos And Andy being banned in the UK may have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the UK? Could be that when the NAACP stopped it from being shown on USA TV that the company that owned the rights to the show just decided
    to not make it available anywhere in the world anymore. The UK may want to show it, but the shows are just not available.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 21 23:41:25 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 22:54:11 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:31 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 20:48:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)
    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network wanted
    to put it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    When "Amos And Andy" first showed here it was on the BBC circa 1955 or so. As I recall it was popular and ran for a couple of years without any fuss or fanfare or adverse comment. .I've never heard of it causing any friction with the UK black
    audience.

    But the TV climate in the UK today is very different and being familiar with it led me to make the "likely never to be seen again ever thanks to today's "woke" climate" comment which is my firm opinion and which I don't quite see how you can refute
    so strongly when I am over here as part of the current UK TV audience (already living with the banning of the 70's comedy sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour" featuring a black family)---and you are not
    Can you give us a link to any article or anything that substantiates what you are saying about wokeness keeping old shows off of UK television?

    There's stuff on the net about the UK-made "Love Thy Neighbour" being banned on TV today. I would be very surprised if the earlier "Amos 'N' Andy" wasn't suffering the same fate

    Incidentally "Amos 'N' Andy" was the very first US sitcom shown on UK TV (on the BBC) in 1954. I thought it was "I Married Joan" but every net source says not.

    Why would woke people want to ban a 70s show about a black family? If anything woke people want more shows about black familes.

    "Love Thy Neighbour" featured a black family in a working class neighborhood living next to a white family. I think a lot of the hostility towards this one comes from the...um...descriptive language used

    By the way, did it ever occur to you that Amos And Andy being banned in the UK may have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the UK? Could be that when the NAACP stopped it from being shown on USA TV that the company that owned the rights to the show just decided
    to not make it available anywhere in the world anymore. The UK may want to show it, but the shows are just not available.

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea. They may still own the UK rights but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC
    state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even jail ) ever showing it again?

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to coolg@thecoolgroove.com on Sun Oct 22 11:43:49 2023
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:00:00 -0500, Jim Colegrove
    <coolg@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford ><mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    "the NAACP mounted a formal protest almost as soon as the television
    version began, describing the show as "a gross libel of the Negro and distortion of the truth". In 1951 it released a bulletin on "Why the
    Amos 'n' Andy TV Show Should Be Taken Off the Air." It stated that the
    show "tends to strengthen the conclusion among uninformed and
    prejudiced people that Negroes are inferior, lazy, dumb, and
    dishonest, ... Every character" is "either a clown or a crook"; "Negro
    doctors are shown as quacks and thieves"; "Negro lawyers are shown as
    slippery cowards"; "Negro women are shown as cackling, screaming
    shrews"; "All Negroes are shown as dodging work of any kind"; and
    "Millions of white Americans see this Amos 'n' Andy picture of Negroes
    and think the entire race is the same."

    However, the above does seem to be an exaggeration;
    for starters, Amos for me is neither a clown nor a crook, and bit
    parts often portrayed pleasant, normal, well-dressed, middle-class
    characters (of color)...
    However, Kingfish (Tim Moore), told to speak like Radio Kingfish, did
    act/sound like a Minstrel. And Sapphire and Mama could come across as
    shouting shrews on occasion.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 22 08:18:53 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:41:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 22:54:11 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:31 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 20:48:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)
    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network wanted
    to put it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    When "Amos And Andy" first showed here it was on the BBC circa 1955 or so. As I recall it was popular and ran for a couple of years without any fuss or fanfare or adverse comment. .I've never heard of it causing any friction with the UK black
    audience.

    But the TV climate in the UK today is very different and being familiar with it led me to make the "likely never to be seen again ever thanks to today's "woke" climate" comment which is my firm opinion and which I don't quite see how you can refute
    so strongly when I am over here as part of the current UK TV audience (already living with the banning of the 70's comedy sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour" featuring a black family)---and you are not
    Can you give us a link to any article or anything that substantiates what you are saying about wokeness keeping old shows off of UK television?
    There's stuff on the net about the UK-made "Love Thy Neighbour" being banned on TV today. I would be very surprised if the earlier "Amos 'N' Andy" wasn't suffering the same fate

    Incidentally "Amos 'N' Andy" was the very first US sitcom shown on UK TV (on the BBC) in 1954. I thought it was "I Married Joan" but every net source says not.
    Why would woke people want to ban a 70s show about a black family? If anything woke people want more shows about black familes.

    "Love Thy Neighbour" featured a black family in a working class neighborhood living next to a white family. I think a lot of the hostility towards this one comes from the...um...descriptive language used
    By the way, did it ever occur to you that Amos And Andy being banned in the UK may have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the UK? Could be that when the NAACP stopped it from being shown on USA TV that the company that owned the rights to the show just
    decided to not make it available anywhere in the world anymore. The UK may want to show it, but the shows are just not available.

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea. They may still own the UK rights

    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.

    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even jail )
    ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 22 11:48:21 2023
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 16:18:55 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:41:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 22:54:11 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:37:31 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 20:48:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 18:07:22 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 17:00:03 UTC+1, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote: >> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:11:04?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 2:07:37?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    Just turned it on. Not a good start for me when before you even see anything you hear the clip clop of a fucking horse.
    Sam Waterston???

    Last time I saw him he was playing a fanook in "Grace And Frankie."
    Okay, I made it almost exactly half way through and couldn't take it any more. Horses, guns, Jesus, frontier living, just not my thing. Sorry.

    Here are my favorite TV shows, give you an idea of what I do like.

    1 - The Honeymooners

    This ultra-popular US TV series has NEVER shown on UK screens to my knowledge

    2 - The Sopranos

    My pick for best US TV series of all time. This one has NEVER been off UK TV screens since its inception. So wonderfully written and marvellously cast

    5 - Sgt. Bilko

    Or "You'll Never Get Rich" as the first episodes appeared here. Silvers created a wonderful comic character here

    12 - The Tonight Show (Starring Johnny Carson)

    Johnny who? He was totally unknown over here. I guarantee 99% of the UK populace will be completely unfamiliar with him

    13 - All In The Family

    I liked it ok but it was definitely second best to the UK original "Till Death Us Do Part" on which it was heavily based

    22 - I Love Lucy

    Before 1955 there was no commercial TV here. The only channel (yes just ONE channel!) was the staid old BBC. Then ITV appeared and promptly bought the UK rights to America's #1 show.
    And immediately made it the UK's #1 show too

    25 - Boardwalk Empire

    Another of the best US TV shows ever IMO. Steve Buscemi is a tour de force in this

    28 - Columbo

    There's a channel here that shows nothing but old Columbo episodes every Sunday and has done the same for years.Falk is simply wonderfully cast in this

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    Jim, I'm sure what you say is correct but my remarks about the "Amos & Andy" TV show were made as a UK viewer in regard to UK showings to a UK audience
    But haven't they been off the air in the UK for many decades? Long before the word "woke" was ever used the way it is now?0

    Yes and yes

    But several decades old US shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" for instance are being shown again after many many years on UK TV screens as we speak

    That fate I fear will never be destined for "Amos And Andy" for the reason I gave (in fact I'm very surprised the YT episodes haven't been blocked to viewers here)
    I don't think it has anything to do with woke, which is mainly about white liberals. I think that black folks are the ones who didn't want it on even when it was current, and it's just stayed that way. Unless you can show that some network
    wanted to put it on over there and "woke" people stopped it.

    When "Amos And Andy" first showed here it was on the BBC circa 1955 or so. As I recall it was popular and ran for a couple of years without any fuss or fanfare or adverse comment. .I've never heard of it causing any friction with the UK black
    audience.

    But the TV climate in the UK today is very different and being familiar with it led me to make the "likely never to be seen again ever thanks to today's "woke" climate" comment which is my firm opinion and which I don't quite see how you can
    refute so strongly when I am over here as part of the current UK TV audience (already living with the banning of the 70's comedy sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour" featuring a black family)---and you are not
    Can you give us a link to any article or anything that substantiates what you are saying about wokeness keeping old shows off of UK television?
    There's stuff on the net about the UK-made "Love Thy Neighbour" being banned on TV today. I would be very surprised if the earlier "Amos 'N' Andy" wasn't suffering the same fate

    Incidentally "Amos 'N' Andy" was the very first US sitcom shown on UK TV (on the BBC) in 1954. I thought it was "I Married Joan" but every net source says not.
    Why would woke people want to ban a 70s show about a black family? If anything woke people want more shows about black familes.

    "Love Thy Neighbour" featured a black family in a working class neighborhood living next to a white family. I think a lot of the hostility towards this one comes from the...um...descriptive language used
    By the way, did it ever occur to you that Amos And Andy being banned in the UK may have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the UK? Could be that when the NAACP stopped it from being shown on USA TV that the company that owned the rights to the show just
    decided to not make it available anywhere in the world anymore. The UK may want to show it, but the shows are just not available.

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea. They may still own the UK rights
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.

    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series

    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even jail )
    ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.

    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 22 12:03:33 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.

    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.

    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even
    jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know

    I do. There was no such thing as "in perpetuity." Syndication for reruns had not even been conceived yet in 1954.

    Here's a Supreme Court ruling from 1989.

    High Court Upholds CBS Loss of Rights to ‘Amos ‘n’ Andy’
    L.A. TIMES ARCHIVES
    JUNE 26, 1989 12 AM PT

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court today let stand a ruling that CBS Inc. no longer enjoys trademark protection for the “Amos ‘n’ Andy” radio and television shows. The justices, without comment, refused to review a federal appeals court ruling
    that CBS abandoned the trademarks when, under pressure from civil rights groups, it suspended commercial use of the shows.

    The asserted trademarks were challenged by Stephen M. Silverman, who wants to produce a musical play based on the “Amos ‘n’ Andy” shows and their characters.

    =====================================================================================

    During the late 1960s, the NAACP began to put increasing pressure on CBS to pull the show from syndication, and the growing civil rights movement made it a much larger issue than it had been in the past.

    By this point in time, Cosby (who was already a noted comedian) became famous as the co-lead on the hit series, I Spy…

    A petition was sent out signed by a number of notable entertainers, all asking for the show to be removed from syndication. Cosby was a prominent supporter of the petition.

    In 1969, Cosby was interviewed in Playboy magazine, and he made his thoughts on Amos and Andy quite clear…

    PLAYBOY: To a very real extent, your role in I Spy helped open up the television industry to black performers. Do you think the representation of Negroes on TV has improved enough since you began the series in 1965?

    COSBY: Well, we’ve certainly come a long way from black cats who were bug-eyed, afraid of ghosts and always saying things like “Feet, don’t leave me now.” Guys like Mantan Moreland, Stepin Fetchit and Willie Best never hit anybody, never fought
    back and were always scared white. And we don’t see the mass stupidity of Amos ‘n’ Andy anymore. That show still gets to me, man. Each time I name an Amos ‘n’ Andy character, try to imagine these guys as white, and you won’t be able to: You
    had Lightnin’, who was slow in every possible way; Calhoun, the lawyer who never got anybody out of trouble and never went into court prepared; Kingfish, the conniver, who was always saying, “Yeah, but brother Andy…”; and Andy himself, who wasn’
    t too bright, either. Like, nobody on that show was bright except Amos, the cab driver, who we hardly ever heard from. And then there was Kingfish’s wife, Sapphire; every time he came through that door, she’d be chewing him out for something. Now,
    audiences weren’t supposed to laugh with these people; they were supposed to laugh at them, because they were so dumb. And while that show was on, there was nothing else on the air to counterbalance these stereotypes. It was almost as if Poles were
    exclusively presented as characters in Polish jokes. Well, you’re just not going to believe that all Polish people are really dumb; but if that’s all you got to see about ’em, you might start to believe it. And they’d understandably resent it. Or
    the same thing about Jewish people hoarding money. You have to show things besides stereotypes.

    And by the end of the decade, CBS had officially pulled the show from syndication, and it has never returned, nor has CBS pursued an official DVD release. They seem content with letting the series fade into obscurity (while also defending their rights
    from those who try to sell bootleg copies of the series through mail order).

    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…

    PLAYBOY: Do you think that a series with a nonstereotyped all-black cast could be successful on TV today?

    COSBY: Probably not. The kind of show you mean would have to be about the life of a black family, with all its struggles. But if you’re really going to do a series about a black family, you’re going to have to bring out the heavy; and who is the
    heavy but the white bigot? This would be very painful for most whites to see, a show that talks about the white man and puts him down. It would strike indifferent whites as dangerous; it would be called controversial and they probably wouldn’t want to
    tune in. But when there’s a right and a wrong, where’s the controversy? The white bigot is wrong. The indifferent person sitting on the fence is wrong. Instead of having occasional shows that present the black viewpoint on educational channels, the
    networks should be in there pitching now.

    I just found that so fascinating, as Cosby is BASICALLY describing All in the Family in a way, isn’t he?

    I can only imagine how surprised he was to see just two short years later a white bigot appear on TV and shown to be just as ridiculous as Cosby felt such a character should be treated!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 22 12:47:40 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even
    jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…

    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I don't think there were any "woke" people in 1957.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 22 12:34:31 2023
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or even
    jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.

    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that

    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…

    PLAYBOY: Do you think that a series with a nonstereotyped all-black cast could be successful on TV today?

    COSBY: Probably not. The kind of show you mean would have to be about the life of a black family, with all its struggles. But if you’re really going to do a series about a black family, you’re going to have to bring out the heavy; and who is the
    heavy but the white bigot? This would be very painful for most whites to see, a show that talks about the white man and puts him down. It would strike indifferent whites as dangerous; it would be called controversial and they probably wouldn’t want to
    tune in. But when there’s a right and a wrong, where’s the controversy? The white bigot is wrong. The indifferent person sitting on the fence is wrong. Instead of having occasional shows that present the black viewpoint on educational channels, the
    networks should be in there pitching now.

    I just found that so fascinating, as Cosby is BASICALLY describing All in the Family in a way, isn’t he?

    But "All In The Family" was simply the US version of the earlier BBC-TV UK hit show "Till Death Us Do Part" with the loud mouthed East London bigot Alf Garnett translated into the Queens NYC bigot Archie Bunker and the whole thing rejigged for an
    American audience

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to RWC on Sun Oct 22 16:02:34 2023
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:43:49 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:00:00 -0500, Jim Colegrove
    <coolg@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford >><mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:50:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:

    34 - Amos And Andy

    One of my 50's favorites too but sadly never seen these days (and likely never to be seen again ever) thanks to today's "woke" climate

    "Woke" culture, the connotation rascists and bigots created with
    perverted usage, had nothing to do with it. Read some history and see
    what the NAACP had to do with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_%27n%27_Andy

    "the NAACP mounted a formal protest almost as soon as the television
    version began, describing the show as "a gross libel of the Negro and >distortion of the truth". In 1951 it released a bulletin on "Why the
    Amos 'n' Andy TV Show Should Be Taken Off the Air." It stated that the
    show "tends to strengthen the conclusion among uninformed and
    prejudiced people that Negroes are inferior, lazy, dumb, and
    dishonest, ... Every character" is "either a clown or a crook"; "Negro >doctors are shown as quacks and thieves"; "Negro lawyers are shown as >slippery cowards"; "Negro women are shown as cackling, screaming
    shrews"; "All Negroes are shown as dodging work of any kind"; and
    "Millions of white Americans see this Amos 'n' Andy picture of Negroes
    and think the entire race is the same."

    However, the above does seem to be an exaggeration;
    for starters, Amos for me is neither a clown nor a crook, and bit
    parts often portrayed pleasant, normal, well-dressed, middle-class
    characters (of color)...

    Amos was also gainfully employed as a cab driver and was the moral
    anchor to Kingfish and Andy.
    Tim Moore was a vaudvillian perfromer and was, indeed, in a minstrel
    show in 1908. That would be The Rabbit's Foot Company. Both he and his
    wife performed together in "Georgia Sunflowers," a minstrel show that
    played the southern vaudeville circuit.


    However, Kingfish (Tim Moore), told to speak like Radio Kingfish, did >act/sound like a Minstrel. And Sapphire and Mama could come across as >shouting shrews on occasion.

    As the radio series had developed in prior years, the scheming but
    henpecked Kingfish had become the central focus of most of the plots.
    In the television version, Moore played the character more broadly,
    with louder and more forceful delivery and a distinctive Georgia
    drawl, exaggerated for comic effect. Moore's Kingfish dominated the
    calmer and soft-spoken "Amos 'n' Andy" characters. Early in his
    career, Moore had developed a "con-man" routine he used for many years
    while in vaudeville; re-working some aspects of his old act produced
    the television character Kingfish.

    He appeared with Johnny Otis on his radio show ni L.A. It can be
    heard, along with Slim Gaillard, on the Ace CD "Vintage Broadcasts
    from Los Angeles" issued in 2003.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Moore_(comedian)

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 22 23:22:49 2023
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:47:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or
    even jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…
    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    That can't hold true in every case. I've had satellite TV for many,many years now and in that time the 5USA channel has always shown nothing but old "Columbo" episodes all day on Sundays every Sunday without fail.
    So obviously they have some kind of really long term deal with the US owner of the series (Universal I think)

    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I can't access the NY Times pages either

    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I know the show received criticism in the US but I don't recall ever reading anything adverse against it over here

    I don't think there were any "woke" people in 1957.

    Certainly not where I lived. Nobody in East London then had anywhere near enough money to be "woke"

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 22 23:49:26 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:22:50 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:47:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine or
    even jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…
    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    That can't hold true in every case. I've had satellite TV for many,many years now and in that time the 5USA channel has always shown nothing but old "Columbo" episodes all day on Sundays every Sunday without fail.
    So obviously they have some kind of really long term deal with the US owner of the series (Universal I think)
    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I can't access the NY Times pages either
    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I know the show received criticism in the US but I don't recall ever reading anything adverse against it over here

    Were you reading the papers thoroughly at 10 years old? Even if you were that may not have been the kind of things that made the censoring UK papers in the 50s.

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  • From Dean F.@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 23 01:06:54 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:34:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

    "Great Western" is an oxymoron.

    Your mind is narrower than than the side view of a postcard.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 23 04:59:51 2023
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 07:49:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:22:50 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:47:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine
    or even jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…
    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    That can't hold true in every case. I've had satellite TV for many,many years now and in that time the 5USA channel has always shown nothing but old "Columbo" episodes all day on Sundays every Sunday without fail.
    So obviously they have some kind of really long term deal with the US owner of the series (Universal I think)
    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I can't access the NY Times pages either
    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I know the show received criticism in the US but I don't recall ever reading anything adverse against it over here

    Were you reading the papers thoroughly at 10 years old? Even if you were that may not have been the kind of things that made the censoring UK papers in the 50s.

    Yes,I was always an avid newspaper reader especially the showbiz and TV pages. My father was a local moderate Labour (left wing) councillor so we had the left supporting Daily Mirror (at the time the UK's biggest selling daily) delivered. I was an "Amos '
    N'' Andy" fan but I don't ever recall reading anything adverse about the show.In fact I don't recall reading much about it at all

    I don't understand "censoring UK papers"???

    And BTW I was ELEVEN years old in 1957 :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Mon Oct 23 08:49:37 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:52 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 07:49:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:22:50 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:47:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy fine
    or even jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…
    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    That can't hold true in every case. I've had satellite TV for many,many years now and in that time the 5USA channel has always shown nothing but old "Columbo" episodes all day on Sundays every Sunday without fail.
    So obviously they have some kind of really long term deal with the US owner of the series (Universal I think)
    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I can't access the NY Times pages either
    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I know the show received criticism in the US but I don't recall ever reading anything adverse against it over here

    Were you reading the papers thoroughly at 10 years old? Even if you were that may not have been the kind of things that made the censoring UK papers in the 50s.
    Yes,I was always an avid newspaper reader especially the showbiz and TV pages. My father was a local moderate Labour (left wing) councillor so we had the left supporting Daily Mirror (at the time the UK's biggest selling daily) delivered. I was an "
    Amos 'N'' Andy" fan but I don't ever recall reading anything adverse about the show.In fact I don't recall reading much about it at all

    So you were an "Amos 'N' Andy" fan already as like an 8-10 year old kid?

    I don't understand "censoring UK papers"???

    As strict as the BBC was with what could be played on the air I would think that the newspapers there in the 50s would often stay away from any kind of controversial or risque stories that weren't "hard news."


    And BTW I was ELEVEN years old in 1957 :)

    I know you were born in '46, but the complaining about the show would've started taking place before 1957, and depending upon what month you were born in, the show may have been taken off before you hit 11. The show started there in 1954. So with you
    remembering back almost 70 years as to whether or not you read anything about people having a problem with the show, I have no doubt that you must have a clear memory of when one of your favorite TV shows was suddenly not on anymore sometime in 1957,
    right?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Mon Oct 23 10:02:25 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:30:16 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 17:26:32 UTC+1, Roger Ford wrote:

    We never had TV till commercial TV sta rted here in 1955. "Amos 'N' Andy" was on the n a nd became a favorite. I would have been nine at that time

    Sorry I should have said more clearly we never HAD a TV in the house till 1955

    I think you beat Diane by a year.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Mon Oct 23 09:30:15 2023
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 17:26:32 UTC+1, Roger Ford wrote:

    We never had TV till commercial TV sta rted here in 1955. "Amos 'N' Andy" was on the n a nd became a favorite. I would have been nine at that time

    Sorry I should have said more clearly we never HAD a TV in the house till 1955

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 23 09:26:31 2023
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 16:49:39 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:59:52 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 07:49:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:22:50 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:47:41 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 20:03:35 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    The show ran here from 1954 until about 1958 maybe a little later. The show was purchased by the BBC for the UK market but on what terms I've no idea.
    I do. It did not include a syndication that did not even exist yet.
    The right to the reruns in syndication are a totally separate thing that the right to first run current episodes.
    You're quoting the usual situation as it occurs in the USA I'm not sure the same procedures occur with foreign licensing and sales of TV series
    but nobody in their right mind could ever imagine the ultra-woke BBC state broadcaster (who just days ago couldn't even bring themselves to call HAMAS "terrorists"---and who are funded by yearly mandatory licence fee on pain of heavy
    fine or even jail ) ever showing it again?

    All of which means nothing if the current rights owner does not want to let them be seen anywhere. The BBC broadcaster may not have anything to do with it not being seen.
    As I said before the BBC definitely PURCHASED the "Amos 'N' Andy" series in 1954. But whether that was "in perpetuity" I don't know
    I do.
    No you don't. You keep quoting material as it relates to the US situation regarding "Amos 'N' Andy" which I do not doubt is completely true as far as the USA is concerned.

    But as I keep saying the BBC here PURCHASED the series in 1954 and if that sale gave "in perpetuity" rights (as it may have done) then it still owns them. And no foreign court can affect or alter that
    As an amusing aside, later in that interview, Cosby had this to say about depicting racial issues in television…
    PURCHASING The series is only for the first run episodes that they were limited to either 2 showings, or to one calendar year worth of showings. No PURCHASE of any show for any country gave the purchaser rights to show the episodes forever.

    That can't hold true in every case. I've had satellite TV for many,many years now and in that time the 5USA channel has always shown nothing but old "Columbo" episodes all day on Sundays every Sunday without fail.
    So obviously they have some kind of really long term deal with the US owner of the series (Universal I think)
    I don't have a NY Times prescription, but anybody who does can see the full article from 1954 where they report on the BBC then getting the rights to broadcast Amos N Andy.

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1954/04/07/92563836.html

    I can't access the NY Times pages either
    I also found this somewhere:

    The BBC did eventually stop airing the show in 1957, after facing criticism from some viewers who found the show's portrayal of African Americans to be offensive.

    I know the show received criticism in the US but I don't recall ever reading anything adverse against it over here

    Were you reading the papers thoroughly at 10 years old? Even if you were that may not have been the kind of things that made the censoring UK papers in the 50s.
    Yes,I was always an avid newspaper reader especially the showbiz and TV pages. My father was a local moderate Labour (left wing) councillor so we had the left supporting Daily Mirror (at the time the UK's biggest selling daily) delivered. I was an "
    Amos 'N'' Andy" fan but I don't ever recall reading anything adverse about the show.In fact I don't recall reading much about it at all
    So you were an "Amos 'N' Andy" fan already as like an 8-10 year old kid?

    We never had TV till commercial TV sta rted here in 1955. "Amos 'N' Andy" was on the n a nd became a favorite. I would have been nine at that time

    I don't understand "censoring UK papers"???
    As strict as the BBC was with what could be played on the air I would think that the newspapers there in the 50s would often stay away from any kind of controversial or risque stories that weren't "hard news."

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised controversial and risque stories into an art form.

    And BTW I was ELEVEN years old in 1957 :)

    I know you were born in '46, but the complaining about the show would've started taking place before 1957, and depending upon what month you were born in, the show may have been taken off before you hit 11. The show started there in 1954. So with you
    remembering back almost 70 years as to whether or not you read anything about people having a problem with the show, I have no doubt that you must have a clear memory of when one of your favorite TV shows was suddenly not on anymore sometime in 1957,
    right?

    I seem to remember it being on a little longer than that----i thought it was 1958. But I could be wrong on that I guess

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Oct 27 14:40:41 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

    Phyllis Coates, who played Lois in the first season of the TV
    "Superman," recently died--she made it to 96! The obit explained how
    Noelle Neal played the part in the movies but couldn't do the TV show because of prior commitments. When she became available in time for
    Season 2, Phyllis got the axe.

    In the original drawings from the '30s and '40s, Lois Lane seemed to have a Rosalind Russell quality. I always thought that Phyllis Coates offered that quality much more that Noel Neill.

    --
    BR

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Fri Oct 27 14:48:55 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the
    UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised controversial and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built

    --
    BR

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Fri Oct 27 14:49:38 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

    Phyllis Coates, who played Lois in the first season of the TV
    "Superman," recently died--she made it to 96! The obit explained how Noelle Neal played the part in the movies but couldn't do the TV show because of prior commitments. When she became available in time for
    Season 2, Phyllis got the axe.
    In the original drawings from the '30s and '40s, Lois Lane seemed to have a Rosalind Russell quality. I always thought that Phyllis Coates offered that quality much more that Noel Neill.

    --
    BR

    Yes, Coates looked more glamorous on the show, but Neill was better in the part IMO.

    Neill could also look glamorous if she wanted to.

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTEyOTI0ODk5ODdeQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU3MDM1NjEyNjg@._V1_.jpg

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 27 22:27:20 2023
    On Friday, 27 October 2023 at 22:49:39 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

    Phyllis Coates, who played Lois in the first season of the TV "Superman," recently died--she made it to 96! The obit explained how Noelle Neal played the part in the movies but couldn't do the TV show because of prior commitments. When she became available in time for Season 2, Phyllis got the axe.
    In the original drawings from the '30s and '40s, Lois Lane seemed to have a Rosalind Russell quality. I always thought that Phyllis Coates offered that quality much more that Noel Neill.

    --
    BR
    Yes, Coates looked more glamorous on the show, but Neill was better in the part IMO.

    Neill could also look glamorous if she wanted to.

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTEyOTI0ODk5ODdeQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU3MDM1NjEyNjg@._V1_.jpg

    I'm with you

    Neill was way the best Lois Lane on screen IMO beating Coates and crushing Kidder

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 28 06:41:43 2023
    On 10/28/2023 6:39 AM, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the
    UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised
    controversial
    and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line
    and the phrase "she's killer-diller."  They come from the "Abbey Road Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are incomprehensibe to me.

    ===========
    That's incomprehensibLe, sorry. Anyhow thanks Bob for this bit of info!

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Sat Oct 28 06:39:52 2023
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the
    UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised controversial
    and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line
    and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road
    Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are incomprehensibe to me.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 28 05:45:18 2023
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 11:41:46 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/28/2023 6:39 AM, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the
    UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised
    controversial
    and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are incomprehensibe to me.

    ===========
    That's incomprehensibLe, sorry. Anyhow thanks Bob for this bit of info!

    I don't like the thing to start with but it's maybe the Scouse accents that are not helping the incomprehensibility (is there such a word? Well there is now)
    for you? If its any consolation those "oop North" accents throw me just as much

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 28 06:40:10 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:39:56 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line
    and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road
    Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are incomprehensibe to me.

    Unless I'm forgetting something, the Polythene Pam section is the only rock song composed of limericks.

    --
    BR

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Sat Oct 28 11:02:23 2023
    On 10/28/2023 9:40 AM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:39:56 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line
    and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road
    Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are
    incomprehensibe to me.

    Unless I'm forgetting something, the Polythene Pam section is the only rock song composed of limericks.
    ------------

    Congratulations, you've found the perfect operational definition of
    "factoid."

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 28 11:08:12 2023
    On 10/28/2023 8:45 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 11:41:46 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/28/2023 6:39 AM, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the
    UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised
    controversial
    and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line >>> and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road
    Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are
    incomprehensibe to me.

    ===========
    That's incomprehensibLe, sorry. Anyhow thanks Bob for this bit of info!

    I don't like the thing to start with but it's maybe the Scouse accents that are not helping the incomprehensibility (is there such a word? Well there is now)
    for you? If its any consolation those "oop North" accents throw me just as much

    ----------
    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he
    sings.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 28 08:14:15 2023
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 16:08:15 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/28/2023 8:45 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 11:41:46 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/28/2023 6:39 AM, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:26:32 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote: >>>>
    Ha ha you have obviously never heard of "The News Of The World" the >>>>> UK best selling Sunday paper that even in those days raised
    controversial
    and risque stories into an art form.

    American knowledge of "The News Of The World" is limited entirely to: >>>>
    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line >>> and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road
    Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are >>> incomprehensibe to me.

    ===========
    That's incomprehensibLe, sorry. Anyhow thanks Bob for this bit of info!

    I don't like the thing to start with but it's maybe the Scouse accents that are not helping the incomprehensibility (is there such a word? Well there is now)
    for you? If its any consolation those "oop North" accents throw me just as much

    ----------
    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he sings.

    He's No.1 here over here with the new album this weekend

    I guess that new back-from-the-dead Beatles thing they cobbled together will be the #1 single very shortly too

    Just a snippet of info---our clocks change tonight so NYC and the East Coast will only be FOUR hours behind us--well for a week I guess :)

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Oct 28 12:13:04 2023
    On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:12 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he
    sings.

    What's more, Mick doesn't even have a Cockney accent. (Does Roger? :-)

    Wiki:
    "Jagger was born into a middle-class family in Dartford, Kent, on 26
    July 1943. His father, Basil Fanshawe "Joe" Jagger, was a gymnast and
    physical education teacher who helped popularise basketball in
    Britain. His paternal grandfather, David Ernest Jagger, was also a
    teacher. His mother, Eva Ensley Mary (ne Scutts), born in Sydney of
    English descent, was a hairdresser who was politically active in the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom."

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 28 12:26:17 2023
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 20:23:25 UTC+1, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 17:13:09 UTC+1, RWC wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:12 -0400, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he >sings.
    What's more, Mick doesn't even have a Cockney accent. (Does Roger? :-)

    Wiki:
    "Jagger was born into a middle-class family in Dartford, Kent, on 26
    July 1943. His father, Basil Fanshawe "Joe" Jagger, was a gymnast and physical education teacher who helped popularise basketball in
    Britain. His paternal grandfather, David Ernest Jagger, was also a teacher. His mother, Eva Ensley Mary (née Scutts), born in Sydney of English descent, was a hairdresser who was politically active in the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom."
    Jagger doesn't have a genuine Cockney accent since he was born in Dartford and as far as I can make out lived there up to the advent of the Rolling Stones.

    Dartford is in another county entirely (Kent)---on the south side of the Thames-----and some 25 miles from London proper

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK not Alabama :)

    So what accent does Geoff have?

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Oct 28 12:23:23 2023
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 17:13:09 UTC+1, RWC wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:12 -0400, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he >sings.
    What's more, Mick doesn't even have a Cockney accent. (Does Roger? :-)

    Wiki:
    "Jagger was born into a middle-class family in Dartford, Kent, on 26
    July 1943. His father, Basil Fanshawe "Joe" Jagger, was a gymnast and physical education teacher who helped popularise basketball in
    Britain. His paternal grandfather, David Ernest Jagger, was also a
    teacher. His mother, Eva Ensley Mary (née Scutts), born in Sydney of English descent, was a hairdresser who was politically active in the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom."

    Jagger doesn't have a genuine Cockney accent since he was born in Dartford and as far as I can make out lived there up to the advent of the Rolling Stones.

    Dartford is in another county entirely (Kent)---on the south side of the Thames-----and some 25 miles from London proper

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK not Alabama :)

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sat Oct 28 15:24:32 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in
    London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK
    not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    --
    BR

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 28 17:02:50 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK
    not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

    Diane did not even get it!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Sat Oct 28 16:53:47 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK
    not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Oct 28 23:22:06 2023
    On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 20:23:25 UTC+1, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Saturday, 28 October 2023 at 17:13:09 UTC+1, RWC wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:12 -0400, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    Well...Mick Jagger's from London and I understand even less of what he
    sings.

    Whoa!, Mick doesn't even have a Cockney accent. (Does Roger? :-)

    Wiki:
    "Jagger was born into a middle-class family in Dartford, Kent, on 26
    July 1943. His father, Basil Fanshawe "Joe" Jagger, was a gymnast and
    physical education teacher who helped popularise basketball in
    Britain. His paternal grandfather, David Ernest Jagger, was also a
    teacher. His mother, Eva Ensley Mary (ne Scutts), born in Sydney of
    English descent, was a hairdresser who was politically active in the
    Conservative Party in the United Kingdom."

    Jagger doesn't have a genuine Cockney accent since he was born in Dartford and as far as I can make out lived there up to the advent of the Rolling Stones.

    Dartford is in another county entirely (Kent)---on the south side of the Thames-----and some 25 miles from London proper

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK not Alabama :)

    So what accent does Geoff have?

    3rd generation New England Country Club member

    (I'm not wanting to wind up Bruce, honest! :-)

    FYI
    Country Club Attire Men Should Avoid:

    Jeans
    T-shirts
    Sweatshirts and sweatpants
    Cuffed pants
    Pants or shorts that are too long or baggy
    Short shorts
    Hoodies
    Jean jackets
    Cowboy hats
    Boots
    Sandals
    Excessive jewelry

    Country Club Attire Women Should Avoid:

    Jeans
    Yoga pants
    Mini skirts
    Short shorts
    T-shirts
    Shirts that show cleavage
    Tube tops
    Sweatshirts and sweatpants
    Too much dangly jewelry
    Boots
    High heels
    Sandals

    btw, for street-walking comfort I like to wear sandals (with rear
    ankle strap)

    :-)

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  • From DianeE via Google@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Sun Oct 29 07:09:00 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:39:56 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 5:48 PM, Bob Roman wrote:

    Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
    She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
    She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
    Yes, you could say she was attractively built
    ---------
    Until now I had no idea what those lyrics were, except for the last line and the phrase "she's killer-diller." They come from the "Abbey Road Medley" which is my favorite Beatles song, but many of its lyrics are incomprehensibe to me.
    Unless I'm forgetting something, the Polythene Pam section is the only rock song composed of limericks.
    --------
    It came to me in a dream--you are forgetting something, and it's very appropriate to the season. "Dinner with Drac" is all limericks!!!

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 29 15:26:41 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:02:51 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.
    Diane did not even get it!

    We all did wot we cou'd do

    --
    BR

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Sun Oct 29 16:15:38 2023
    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 6:26:42 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:02:51 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.
    Diane did not even get it!
    We all did wot we cou'd do

    I gotta admit Bob, you know a little.

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  • From Mark D.@21:1/5 to Bob Roman on Mon Oct 30 02:07:03 2023
    On Oct 29, 2023 at 5:26:41 PM CDT, "Bob Roman" <robertjroman@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:02:51 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na

    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.
    Diane did not even get it!

    We all did wot we cou'd do

    --
    BR

    Until the plae crash, anyway.

    --md

    remove "xx" for email

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 29 23:05:42 2023
    On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 00:53:48 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK
    not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na
    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

    There's an even better chance that he does :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 29 23:27:22 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:05:44 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 00:53:48 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK
    not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na
    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

    There's an even better chance that he does :)

    Turn it up!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5BuYf8q4o

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Oct 29 23:38:48 2023
    On Monday, 30 October 2023 at 06:27:24 UTC, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:05:44 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 00:53:48 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in
    London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na
    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

    There's an even better chance that he does :)
    Turn it up!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5BuYf8q4o

    Reminds me of the haul of records (including the Jess Hooper rarity) we found one time in Tuscaloosa

    Sweet Alabama indeed!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Sun Oct 29 23:43:43 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Monday, 30 October 2023 at 06:27:24 UTC, Bruce wrote:
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:05:44 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 00:53:48 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:

    Roger doesn't have a Cockney accent either since although he lived in
    London for many years he originally came from Birmingham (thats UK not Alabama :)

    In Birmingham they luv the guv'na
    Very good chance that Roger does not get this reference I think.

    There's an even better chance that he does :)
    Turn it up!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5BuYf8q4o

    Reminds me of the haul of records (including the Jess Hooper rarity) we found one time in Tuscaloosa

    Sweet Alabama indeed!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9VEShPloZM

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