• TEN FAVE OBSCURITIES FROM...1954

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 06:42:42 2024
    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOSWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Hailing from Philadelphia The Capris (not to be confused with the later
    and different
    “There’s A Moon Out Tonight” group) comprised four young males and a female lead.
    They numbered Ruben Wright,Eddie Warner,Harrison Scott,Bobby Smart and
    lead Renee
    Hinton. They recorded the beautiful ethereal “God Only Knows” for the
    local Gotham
    label.

    After a few more singles the group disbanded in 1958.

    Ruben Wright of the Capris carried on with a solo career that produced a
    minor hit
    in 1966 with “I’m Walking Out On You” on Capitol

    JACK DUPREE - RUB A LITTLE BOOGIE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8MJfYe98

    We got at least two terrific records from The Champ in 1954---this one
    (on King
    label) and “Shim Sham Shimmy” (on Red Robin)

    What else do both have in common (as well as being great?)---well the
    answer is
    …..both were originally “B” sides on release!!

    Here’s what “Billboard” had to say about this one :-

    JACK DUPREE Camille 73 KING 4706- Dupree sings about his girl with
    passion on
    this old- fashioned blues slicing. Could get spins due to warblers
    reading.
    (Joy A Cee, BMI)

    Rub A Little Boogie....71 A bright boogie effort receives an okay warble
    from
    Dupree, helped by the straight forward lyrics. (Say & Coe, BMI)

    THE FASCINATORS - THE BELLS OF MY HEART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPuCAYW82so

    Not to be confused with the Brooklyn bred Fascinators of “Chapel Bells” fame on Capitol fame these other “bell obsessed” Fascinators hailed from

    Detroit.

    Consisting of Clarence Smith (lead) Earl Richardson (tenor) Jerry
    Potter (2nd tenor) Donald Blackshear (baritone) and Bob Rivers (bass)
    their record debut came in 1954 with the pretty ballad “The Bells Of
    My Heart” recorded for the tiny “Your Copy” label (also of Detroit)
    owned and operated by local record store owner Monroe Horn (and
    recorded in a makeshift studio his with rudimentary recording equipment
    in the rear of the shop)

    One more record came in 1955 before the group faded away. Cut in
    Chicago for deejay Al Benson the uptempo “Can’t Stop” appeared on his Blue Lake label

    J.B & HIS HAWKS - COMBINA TION BOOGIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3LAGmuK40w

    One of my all time favorite blues stompers was this great number from
    J.B. Hutto and his Hawks on the Chance label in 1954.

    Originally from South Carolina his family relocated to Augusta,Georgia
    when he was small then later still to Chicago where the now adult J.B
    formed a band The Hawks and cut his first records for the Chance label
    in that city—starting with the fierce “Combination Boogie” featuring
    J.B. Hutto (vcl/gtr) George Mayweather (hca) Joe Custom (bs gtr) and
    Eddie “Porkchop” Hines (dms)

    A HUGE seller in the 1970’s when it was heavily bootlegged

    PAPS LIGHTFOOT - WINE WOMEN WHISKEY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vc8PMs_s9M

    Another favorite blues courtesy Mr Alexander Lightfoot which appeared
    on the Imperial label in 1954

    “Wine Women Whiskey” was brought to light again in 1968 when the track
    was included in the album “Saturday Night Function : Rural Blues
    Vol.2” one of a series of LP reissues on Imperial of old r&b and blues numbers

    The LP (and the others in the series) were released here in UK too---
    on Liberty and were also accompanied with a release of “Wine Women
    Whiskey” on a single (for the first time over here BTW—it never saw UK release before)

    The flipside of that single was another track from the LP---“Something
    Inside Me” from Slim Harpo

    THE NITE RIDERS - WOMEN AND CADILLACS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuAzuH9DKs

    First (and IMO easily the best ever) release by the long running Doc
    Starkes & The Nite Riders congregation who carried on making regular
    record releases after this right into the sixties.

    This glorious rockin’ debut appeared on the famous Apollo label of
    New York City

    P.S I had a friend who found a mint 45rpm copy of this on some London
    flea market stall for pennies in the 1960’s

    DOCTOR ROSS - THE BOOGIE DISEASE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkfhwtVKU

    One of the greatest live performances I ever witnessed was in the 60’s
    at a tiny club on London’s premier shopping street---Oxford Street (for
    USA comparison think Fifth Avenue NYC) ---when Dr Isiah Ross held his
    audience (including yours truly) mesmerized inside that tiny club.

    And yes he was THAT good!

    The primitive but totally compelling “The Boogie Disease” (a version
    of which he did that night of course) was his second release on the Sun
    label and featured Isiah Ross (vcl/hca) Tom Troy (gtr) Robert Parker
    (dms)

    Like much other material from this period this was booted extensively
    in the 70’s and later---an original 45rpm today will surely set you
    back a four figure sum

    SLIM SAUNDERS - LET'S HAVE SOME FUN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07X6E8jg7aw

    Not to be confused with Slim SANDERS who recorded on Lamp in 1957
    (and appeared earlier still as “Skinny Dynamo” on Excello etc)

    Meantime this real Sylvester Saunders Jr (nicknamed “Sil”) born in
    New Orleans in 1929 recorded this r&b great at Cosimo Matassa’s studio
    for Chess in 1954 and as far as I can tell this was his only record
    ever released.

    HENRY SMITH & HIS BLUE FLAMES- GOOD ROCKING MAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59wMersQlA

    The spiritual home of 1950’s pop music cover versions—Dot records—is
    not exactly the place you’d normally expect to find a really good blues record

    But the odd one or two DID get thru the net somehow…..and here is one
    of
    the very best and for me a long time favorite…

    The utterly primitive but totally compelling “Good Rocking Mama”
    features
    Henry Smith (vcl/gtr) Eddie Burns (hca) Calvin Frazier (gtr) Washboard
    Willie (um…washboard) and was recorded in Detroit in 1954 and somehow
    (via
    Fortune his previous label?) made its way to Dot Records of--at that
    time
    ---Gallatin,Tennessee

    GEORGIE STEVENSON - MEET ME AT GRANDMA'S JOINT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ5_IK3Iukk

    Huge item on the famous Jamaican sound system scene for years,this
    insistent r&b number was recorded by George at a four-song session for
    Savoy in New Orleans on January 19 1954 with the great Lee Allen doing
    tenor sax honors.

    The only record ever released under his own name (leastways I think….
    but you may know better) but he did record in later years as “Blazer Boy”--as on “New Orleans Twist” for Imperial in 1961

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Jun 1 07:20:15 2024
    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits
    from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 10:28:13 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits
    from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm
    sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Jun 1 15:08:14 2024
    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for
    Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits
    from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm
    sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

    You're talking apples and oranges. My contest was originally called
    "Obscure" but clearly that changed over time because we did not have
    enough participants who could actually come up with obscurities for very
    long. I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    If regional hits are eligible you should have included "Sunday Kind Of
    Love" by the Harptones for 1953 and "The Closer You Are" by the Channels
    for 1956 and "That's All Right" by Elvis for 1954 and "Florence" by the Paragons for 1957, among many other legendary records that would be
    eligible under your now endorsed parameters.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 16:11:00 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for
    Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits
    from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm
    sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

    You're talking apples and oranges. My contest was originally called
    "Obscure" but clearly that changed over time because we did not have
    enough participants who could actually come up with obscurities for
    very
    long. I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    If regional hits are eligible you should have included "Sunday Kind Of
    Love" by the Harptones for 1953 and "The Closer You Are" by the
    Channels
    for 1956 and "That's All Right" by Elvis for 1954 and "Florence" by the Paragons for 1957, among many other legendary records that would be
    eligible under your now endorsed parameters.

    Using my contests to classify regional hits as obscurities would be like
    using membership in the Rockabilly Hall of Fame to prove that an artist
    like Frogman Henry was rockabilly.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 16:22:41 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for
    Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits
    from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm
    sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

    You're talking apples and oranges. My contest was originally called
    "Obscure" but clearly that changed over time because we did not have
    enough participants who could actually come up with obscurities for
    very
    long. I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    Whether apples,oranges,pineapples or melons the huge #1 Platters hit
    should never come within miles of any kind of "Obscure" tag. It just
    isn't and it wasn't.

    If regional hits are eligible you should have included "Sunday Kind Of
    Love" by the Harptones for 1953 and "The Closer You Are" by the
    Channels
    for 1956 and "That's All Right" by Elvis for 1954 and "Florence" by the Paragons for 1957, among many other legendary records that would be
    eligible under your now endorsed parameters.

    I don't have much meaningful info on "regional hits" that long ago and I
    doubt many others here do either.

    Simply put I consider all the titles used so far in this series of posts
    to be "obscure" under the definition of the word as most folk here
    understand it (i.e. "obscure" = "not known to very many people") and
    that is good enough for me

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Jun 1 16:56:12 2024
    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for >>>> Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits >>>> from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm
    sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

    You're talking apples and oranges. My contest was originally called
    "Obscure" but clearly that changed over time because we did not have
    enough participants who could actually come up with obscurities for
    very
    long. I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    Whether apples,oranges,pineapples or melons the huge #1 Platters hit
    should never come within miles of any kind of "Obscure" tag. It just
    isn't and it wasn't.

    The word obscure only stayed for continuity with the contests. Clearly
    over time those tournaments went away from what they were originally
    conceived to be, otherwise they would have ended by the first year.
    These obscure lists you are doing now are ONLY for this group, so that
    should mean that the items should be that most members here are not very familiar with them.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 13:29:07 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 15:08:14 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    In my opinion, that continuity decision was/is a mistake, because the
    ongoing name is just so misleading.
    It's not too late to revise the name of the tournament and the rules.
    The rules should be realistic and be able to be met efficiently with
    only Internet access needed (no books). Another option, if acceptable
    to players, is that an adjudicator (who has books etc) can disqualify
    an entry (eg because the song was Bubbling Under) and the player
    has to find a replacement song-artist.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 13:49:55 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 16:56:12 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:


    These obscure lists you are doing now are ONLY for this group, so that
    should mean that the items should be that most members here are not very >familiar with them.

    In a perfect world, so to speak, that would be great (and exactly what
    you say now crossed my mind many weeks ago).
    But in reality that makes selections too subjective (regarding what is obscure), and it was you, Bruce, who earlier supported the idea that
    the degree of obscurity can be assessed by referring to *contemporary*
    charts (an easy to follow objective rule).

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Jun 1 17:53:42 2024
    RWC wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 15:08:14 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    In my opinion, that continuity decision was/is a mistake, because the
    ongoing name is just so misleading.

    Whether it was a mistake or not, whataboutism is not a legitimate reason
    to change the definition of obscure for any other project.

    It's not too late to revise the name of the tournament and the rules.
    The rules should be realistic and be able to be met efficiently with
    only Internet access needed (no books). Another option, if acceptable
    to players, is that an adjudicator (who has books etc) can disqualify
    an entry (eg because the song was Bubbling Under) and the player
    has to find a replacement song-artist.

    There are no more tournaments.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jun 1 21:17:59 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Not sure this qualifies as an obscurity. I used it on my R&B hits
    series
    for 1954 based on it peaking at #4 on the Billboard regional chart for >>>>> Philadelphia one week. Big Al Pavlow lists it as one of the extra hits >>>>> from 1954 that did not make the top 80 of the year.

    I really don't think minor appearances on regional charts disqualify
    things from being "obscurities" in this series of postings.

    If the NUMBER ONE hit (on FIVE different BB charts!) "My Prayer" can
    qualify as an "obscurity" under one particular set of "rules" then I'm >>>> sure that under the requirements of this postings series this Capris
    thing has nothing much to worry about

    You're talking apples and oranges. My contest was originally called
    "Obscure" but clearly that changed over time because we did not have
    enough participants who could actually come up with obscurities for
    very
    long. I only kept the "Obscure" name for continuity, not because it was
    a requirement after a while.

    Whether apples,oranges,pineapples or melons the huge #1 Platters hit
    should never come within miles of any kind of "Obscure" tag. It just
    isn't and it wasn't.

    The word obscure only stayed for continuity with the contests. Clearly
    over time those tournaments went away from what they were originally conceived to be, otherwise they would have ended by the first year.
    These obscure lists you are doing now are ONLY for this group, so that
    should mean that the items should be that most members here are not
    very
    familiar with them.

    I think *most* of those included meet those requirements. Nobody will
    ever be 100% perfect on this unless the quality of the records included
    is sacrificed

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 22:00:38 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:17:59 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    These obscure lists you are doing now are ONLY for this group, so that
    should mean that the items ... are not very familiar to them.

    I think *most* of those included meet those requirements. Nobody will
    ever be 100% perfect on this unless the quality of the records included
    is sacrificed.

    I can't speak for 1950s R&B experts like Bruce and DianeE, but as for
    your recent 1954 list of 'fave obscurities' there's only 1 item (out
    of 10) that all or 70+% of this newsgroup's members are likely
    familiar with:

    DOCTOR ROSS - THE BOOGIE DISEASE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkfhwtVKU
    strongly identified within a few seconds by that opening guitar

    all 10 items/sides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0&list=TLGGV2swkEjfarIwMjA2MjAyNA&index=1

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sun Jun 2 03:31:50 2024
    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOSWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Already commented on this, but needless to say it's a 10, tremendous
    street sound from Philadelphia.

    JACK DUPREE - RUB A LITTLE BOOGIE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8MJfYe98

    This fucker is a 12! One of my ten favorite records ever. Unfortunately
    the albums and CDs have a much inferior alternate take. You need the
    Gusto reissue 45 to get the right version, or, of course, and original
    45 or 78.

    THE FASCINATORS - THE BELLS OF MY HEART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPuCAYW82so

    A collector's choice for sure. Good, but that's all for me, a 6.

    J.B & HIS HAWKS - COMBINAVerTION BOOGIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3LAGmuK40w

    Very good raw blues, a 7.

    PAPA LIGHTFOOT - WINE WOMEN WHISKEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vc8PMs_s9M

    Never heard this before. Very cool music, but I'm not sure I can embrace
    that hoarse and ragtag singing style enough to list it. I'll have to
    hear it a few more times and see if it can rise above a 6.

    THE NITE RIDERS - WOMEN AND CADILLACS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuAzuH9DKs

    Another awesome 10. I first heard it in a movie. I think it was that
    "Cry Baby" directed by John Waters maybe. Anyway there's a very good
    remake on it by Nick Curran from 2000. It's an 8.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aM31ofZQg

    He also does another favorite of mine, Roy Brown's "Good Rockin' Man."
    It's a 7.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfKkys1ugVU

    DOCTOR ROSS - THE BOOGIE DISEASE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkfhwtVKU

    This one doesn't do it for me, just a 5.

    SLIM SAUNDERS - LET'S HAVE SOME FUN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07X6E8jg7aw

    Frankie C's favorite New Orleans record, and it's awesome. I think I
    have it #20 on My New Orleans list. I think Slim was part of Guitar
    Slim's band.

    HENRY SMITH & HIS BLUE FLAMES- GOOD ROCKING MAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59wMersQlA

    I have a 6 on this.


    GEORGIE STEVENSON - MEET ME AT GRANDMA'S JOINT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ5_IK3Iukk

    A solid 7.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 23:54:09 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:17:59 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    These obscure lists you are doing now are ONLY for this group, so that
    should mean that the items ... are not very familiar to them.

    I think *most* of those included meet those requirements. Nobody will
    ever be 100% perfect on this unless the quality of the records included
    is sacrificed.

    Okay, from now on I've decided to take a hybrid approach when
    selecting items/sides to list as FAVE OBSCURITIES FROM YYYY.

    Obscure items/sides will be defined as.

    1. Objectively, not on any Billboard Best Sellers Chart (eg Hot 100
    from 1955-1964 - here's a web site that includes a forum that has a
    searchable list of all items that entered the Hot 100:
    https://www.ukmix.org).

    2. Subjectively, thought by me, rightly or wrongly, to be not
    well-known to 70+% of current newsgroup members.

    Using this criteria, this is Geoff's proposed Vol. 1 of his Fave
    Obscurities for 1954:

    Willy & Ruth - Love Me [Spark 105]

    The Sly Fox - I'm Tired Of Beggin' [Spark 108;b-side]

    The Dreamers f. Richard Berry - Bye, Bye [Flair 1052]

    The Heralds - Gonna Love You Everyday [Herald 435;b-side]

    Esquire Boys - Rock-A-Beatin' Boogie [Guyden 705;;Philly]

    Billy Gale AHO - Night Howler [Flair 1038]

    Cotton Henry and the Oklahoma Hillbillies - Eskimo Nell [Starday
    129;b-side]

    Al Terry - Hey, Whatta Y'Say [Hickory 1017]

    Anna Marie w. Blinky Allen And The Stardusters - I'm A Fool To Care
    [Flair 1047]

    Big John Greer - Bottle It Up And Go [Groove 0002]

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jun 2 00:39:35 2024
    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:31:50 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOSWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Already commented on this, but needless to say it's a 10, tremendous
    street sound from Philadelphia.

    For God sake, for 99% of aspirational white folk, even sensitive
    types, this is a draggy 3.
    One can understand a secret Jew who is also secretly part-black
    feeling a strong affinity for this record - I don't mean you, Bruce.

    JACK DUPREE - RUB A LITTLE BOOGIE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8MJfYe98

    This fucker is a 12! One of my ten favorite records ever.

    Jesus! You're easily pleased, Bruce.

    Solid but uninspiredly repetitive - kinda ordinary R&B for the period.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 04:44:06 2024
    Okay, I will now show you people what REAL obscurities are.

    High Low Jack - Buddy Lucas - Groove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZOV_z_-Bo

    Even though it's on an RCA subsidiary, I never heard it back in the 20th century. There are no copies available on Discogs. The last one that
    sold there went for $121 and changes for a VG+ copy, a promo. They don't
    even have a listing for a stick copy, I've never seen one.

    Back Home To Mama - Big Walter Horton - States https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8AiyXQt9U

    Killer Chicago Blues record on Leonard Allen's States label.

    Strangest Blues - Jimmy Wilson - Rhythm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVnnT0um7k

    Bay area blues.

    Doin' The Best I Can - Little Johnny Jones - Atlantic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACSLPW-w8g

    Okay, it was on Atlantic, but it was exactly a big seller. It also
    features Elmore James on guitar. Flip is great too, "Hoy, Hoy."

    End of the Road, Baby - Playboy Thomas - Swing Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J1Z8r3CJNY

    The Swing Time label was not exactly flourishing by 1954. They had filed
    for bankruptcy in 1953 and still released a few singles into 1954,
    including this one.

    Thinking About My Baby - Little Booker - Imperial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuaFJ3lzQys

    Written by Booker and Dave Bartholomew, James Booker was only 14 years
    old when he recorded this. Known for awhile as "The Black Liberace," he
    was a flamboyant piano prodigy who could play all the classical pieces beautifully already as a teenager. He dies of renal failure to to drug
    use at the age of just 43 in 1983.

    Got Ta Feed The Ol' Horse Lotta Hay ¦ Volumes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2UWvr5EHIk

    On the Jaguar label out of New York City.

    You Gotta Be Good To Yourself ¦ Dolly Cooper (Wanderers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg4AxNJdGlA

    Got to squeeze in a Savoy record if I can. This one went nowhere, but
    it's a strong side IMO.

    Knock Me Out ¦ Freddie Hall
    https://youtu.be/xKVDFFcprRc?t=3

    Roger included a Chance record, so here's mine, and it's even more
    obscure than Roger's choice. By the way, George Lavatelli and Donn
    Fileti bought the building that the Relic Record Shoppe was located in,
    and they created a corporation called Chance Properties for that.

    Boogie The Blues ¦ Eddie & Chuck & Louisiana Ramblers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq5SJcGl3gE

    How about another Chance record. This time it's a country boogie record
    on a Chicago R&B label.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jun 2 06:12:07 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Roger wrote:

    10 more obscurities chosen at random from my favorites lists

    Today......from 1954

    THE CAPRIS - GOD ONLY KNOSWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_jXKYcUr0

    Already commented on this, but needless to say it's a 10, tremendous
    street sound from Philadelphia.

    #51 on my 1954 favorites list and a high 9. My fave femme sound of the
    year

    JACK DUPREE - RUB A LITTLE BOOGIE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8MJfYe98

    This fucker is a 12! One of my ten favorite records ever. Unfortunately
    the albums and CDs have a much inferior alternate take. You need the
    Gusto reissue 45 to get the right version, or, of course, and original
    45 or 78.

    #15 for me and I concur with a 10. Did not know the Gusto reissue was
    original. Obviously never had/heard it so figured it was later version
    too.

    THE FASCINATORS - THE BELLS OF MY HEART
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPuCAYW82so

    A collector's choice for sure. Good, but that's all for me, a 6.

    #133 a nd an 8

    J.B & HIS HAWKS - COMBINAVerTION BOOGIE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3LAGmuK40w

    Very good raw blues, a 7.

    #43 and a 9

    PAPA LIGHTFOOT - WINE WOMEN WHISKEY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vc8PMs_s9M

    Never heard this before. Very cool music, but I'm not sure I can
    embrace
    that hoarse and ragtag singing style enough to list it. I'll have to
    hear it a few more times and see if it can rise above a 6.

    #42 for me and another 9

    THE NITE RIDERS - WOMEN AND CADILLACS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuAzuH9DKs

    Another awesome 10.

    #34 and a 9

    I first heard it in a movie. I think it was that
    "Cry Baby" directed by John Waters maybe.

    Yes it features in the "Cry Baby" movie

    Anyway there's a very good
    remake on it by Nick Curran from 2000. It's an 8.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aM31ofZQg

    Never heard it before but I have to admit this is not bad at all

    DOCTOR ROSS - THE BOOGIE DISEASE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkfhwtVKU

    This one doesn't do it for me, just a 5.

    Tremendous performance IMO. #47 and a 9

    SLIM SAUNDERS - LET'S HAVE SOME FUN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07X6E8jg7aw

    Frankie C's favorite New Orleans record, and it's awesome. I think I
    have it #20 on My New Orleans list. I think Slim was part of Guitar
    Slim's band.

    #200 and an 8

    HENRY SMITH & HIS BLUE FLAMES- GOOD ROCKING MAMA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59wMersQlA

    I have a 6 on this.

    #178 and an 8. I guess this could be a Fortune recording leased to Dot

    GEORGIE STEVENSON - MEET ME AT GRANDMA'S JOINT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ5_IK3Iukk

    A solid 7.

    #224 and an 8

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jun 2 09:57:36 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    Okay, I will now show you people what REAL obscurities are.

    High Low Jack - Buddy Lucas - Groove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZOV_z_-Bo

    Even though it's on an RCA subsidiary, I never heard it back in the
    20th
    century. There are no copies available on Discogs. The last one that
    sold there went for $121 and changes for a VG+ copy, a promo. They
    don't
    even have a listing for a stick copy, I've never seen one.

    #371 on my list and a 7

    Back Home To Mama - Big Walter Horton - States https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8AiyXQt9U

    Killer Chicago Blues record on Leonard Allen's States label.

    Simply credited to "Big Walter & His Combo" on the record. #124 and an 8


    Strangest Blues - Jimmy Wilson - Rhythm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVnnT0um7k

    Bay area blues.

    Okay now I have this listed as by "Jimmy Nolen's Band" on Elko label.
    EXACT same recording as the Wilson. Both released 1954.

    So which one actually came first?

    To be fair Wirz in his discography does list the Wilson first.

    What say you?

    And to anyone who queries the merits of these kind of postings you're
    just reading a good example of why
    they can matter

    (Anyhow I got Nolen listed #257 and a 7)

    Doin' The Best I Can - Little Johnny Jones - Atlantic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACSLPW-w8g

    Okay, it was on Atlantic, but it was exactly a big seller. It also
    features Elmore James on guitar. Flip is great too, "Hoy, Hoy."

    "Hoy Hoy" is the side for me. #98 and an 8

    "Doin' The Best I Can" = #643 and a 7

    End of the Road, Baby - Playboy Thomas - Swing Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J1Z8r3CJNY

    The Swing Time label was not exactly flourishing by 1954. They had
    filed
    for bankruptcy in 1953 and still released a few singles into 1954,
    including this one.

    Just a 5 for me

    Thinking About My Baby - Little Booker - Imperial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuaFJ3lzQys

    Written by Booker and Dave Bartholomew, James Booker was only 14 years
    old when he recorded this. Known for awhile as "The Black Liberace," he
    was a flamboyant piano prodigy who could play all the classical pieces beautifully already as a teenager. He dies of renal failure to to drug
    use at the age of just 43 in 1983.

    Another 5

    Got Ta Feed The Ol' Horse Lotta Hay ¦ Volumes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2UWvr5EHIk

    On the Jaguar label out of New York City.

    #415 and a 7

    You Gotta Be Good To Yourself ¦ Dolly Cooper (Wanderers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg4AxNJdGlA

    Got to squeeze in a Savoy record if I can. This one went nowhere, but
    it's a strong side IMO.

    #702 and a 7

    Knock Me Out ¦ Freddie Hall
    https://youtu.be/xKVDFFcprRc?t=3

    Roger included a Chance record, so here's mine, and it's even more
    obscure than Roger's choice. By the way, George Lavatelli and Donn
    Fileti bought the building that the Relic Record Shoppe was located in,
    and they created a corporation called Chance Properties for that.

    Did not know this one. Needs a few listens but I see (or rather HEAR :)
    it ending up a 6 or maybe 7

    Boogie The Blues ¦ Eddie & Chuck & Louisiana Ramblers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq5SJcGl3gE

    How about another Chance record. This time it's a country boogie record
    on a Chicago R&B label.

    #658 and a 7

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 07:32:29 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:42:42 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    Today......from 1954

    Ten of Geoff's Fave Obscurities from 1954

    Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=6Ysk_FaCcAU,swAGY92SWJ4,fZzhOz8OfZA,Mv9BD3y-YjE,-wMPdERKmMQ,_qF9LKBzrr0,OdVFdAI8DZE,nPpToeeyCu0,WW327z8_zuQ,uxWSnqk2K_o,

    Willy & Ruth - Love Me [Spark 105]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ysk_FaCcAU
    Willie Headen was also lead singer for the vocal harmony group
    The Honey Bears who had 3 singles released by Spark in 1954-55,
    Ruth was the wife of another member of the group.

    The Sly Fox - I'm Tired Of Beggin' [Spark 108;b-side] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swAGY92SWJ4
    Eugene Fox (1928-2000) played sax with Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm
    for a year in '53/54. Recorded at Ike's home in Clarksdale Miss,
    Mar/Apr '54, and leased by Ike to Leiber & Stoller's Spark Records.
    Eugene left the band, went to college and was a teacher in
    Clarksdale for the rest of his life, rising to be principal.

    The Dreamers f. Richard Berry - Bye, Bye [Flair 1052] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzhOz8OfZA

    The Heralds - Gonna Love You Everyday [Herald 435;b-side] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv9BD3y-YjE

    Billy Gale AHO - Night Howler [Flair 1038] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wMPdERKmMQ

    Cotton Henry and the Oklahoma Hillbillies - Eskimo Nell [Starday
    129;b-side]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qF9LKBzrr0

    Al Terry - Hey, Whatta Y'Say [Hickory 1017;;Nashville] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdVFdAI8DZE

    Anna Marie w. Blinky Allen And The Stardusters - I'm A Fool To Care
    [Flair 1047]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPpToeeyCu0

    Big John Greer - Bottle It Up And Go [Groove 0002] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW327z8_zuQ
    John Marshall Greer (1923-1972)

    Blanche Thomas - You Ain't So Such a Much [Imperial 5302] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxWSnqk2K_o
    hark that guitar!
    born, raised, died in New Orleans (c.1923-1977);
    began her singing career at the old Tick Tock Club;
    popular singer in many Bourbon Street clubs;
    performed at jazz festivals in several cities;
    toured Vietnam with Louis Cottrell

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