• MY FAVE TOP 20 BY A VOCAL GROUP.......1960

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 06:23:12 2024
    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1960

    1.STAY - MAURICE WILLIAMS & THE ZODIACS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP-YQYMDazY

    My favorite vocal group number of 1960 comes from the recently deceased
    Maurice Williams & his guys. Maurice also featured in the recent 1957
    episode of this series with the memorable “Sweetheart Please Don’t Go”
    by his earlier group The Gladiolas. “Stay” was recorded for Al Silver’s Herald label and sold well enough to reach #1 on the Billboard Hot
    Hundred. Licenced to Top Rank here in the UK it reached #10 on the NME
    chart in January 1961

    2. SAVE THE LAST DANCE FOR ME – THE DRIFTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npK8DTKrAdU

    With Ben. E King performing lead duty here “Save The Last Dance…” on Atlantic turned out to be the biggest Drifters hit of all reaching #1 on
    the Billboard Hot Hundred in the US and spending SEVEN weeks at #2 here
    in UK (kept off the top mostly by Elvis and “It’s Now Or Never”)

    3. DON’T DOG ME – CLYDE McPHATTER (actually The Drifters) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NgMLL64k5U

    Tho credited to Clyde and released in 1960 Atlantic reached way back to
    1953 for this old Clyde-led Drifters recording one to use as the
    flipside of his then-latest release on the label in 1960 “Just Give Me A Ring” (even tho the singer had been signed to MGM label for best part of
    a year!). Appeared on London label in UK

    4. SHOP AROUND – THE MIRACLES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hho4FY6w6s

    Motown’s first really big hit (#2 BB Hot 100 #1 BB R&B) and first big
    hit (in a long line of them) for The Miracles (who had just grazed the
    Hot Hundred earlier with their “Bad Girl” on Chess).”Shop Around” appeared here in UK on London label.

    Interestingly there were two versions of “Shop Around” recorded on Tamla that included a slower version (commonly known as “The Detroit version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLY74jXJ_b0

    5. LET’S GO,LET’S GO,LET’S GO – HANK BALLARD & THE MIDNIGHTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU8IZB5rKWU

    The followup to their first big BB Hot 100 smash (not allowing for their original on “The Twist” that King had revived to combat the recent #1 Chubby Checker version) that scored #6 for the boys on BB Hot 100 #1 BB
    R&B. Released in UK on Parlophone

    6. HONKY TONKY – THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYs55HtNl0

    Recorded 21 June 1956 in NYC with Johnny Moore (lead) plus Gerhart
    Thrasher Charlie Hughes Bill Pinkney the track stayed in the vaults
    until resurrected in 1960 on “The Drifters’ Greatest Hits” LP on
    Atlantic (and on London in UK)

    The song was also recorded by Dinah Washington

    7. SINCE YOU’RE GONE – NOLAN STRONG & THE DIABLOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPKh-pH__c

    One of my most favorite of all vocal groups are The Diablos with the
    striking vocals of Nolan Strong . From 1960 “Since You’re Gone” on Fortune is one of their very best IMO. One of the great crimes of the
    20th century was that NOT ONE Diablos record was ever issued at the time
    here in UK. Boo hoo!

    8. SADIE MY LADY – THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkvHXyprUn4

    From the same session as “Honky Tonky” above and with same personnel the same notes apply here. Only difference is that as well as “The Drifters Greatest Hits” LP “Sadie My Lady” was also issued on a London single
    here in the UK (on the flip of “I Count The Tears” replacing “Suddenly There’s A Valley” as in USA)

    9. WILL YOU LOVE ME TOMORROW – THE SHIRELLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84YVaS8Njc

    One of my very favorite girl group records as well as one of my very
    favorite Carole King songs (my absolute fave of her songs is Aretha
    Franklin's much later "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman").

    This Shirelles was a huge #1 hit in early 1961 (and #2 r&b) in USA for
    Scepter Released in UK on Top Rank and scored #3 hit in March 1961

    10. SHOPPIN’ FOR CLOTHES – THE COASTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetJMlt3-l4

    One of the few occasions that Leiber & Stoller “borrowed” from another record when they absorbed much of the structure and rhythm of the 1956 “Clothes Line (Wrap It Up)” classic by Kent Harris (as “Boogaloo & His Gallant Crew”) on Crest and turned it into the great “Shoppin’ For Clothes” which fit The Coasters like a..um..glove when recorded for Atco
    (and on London here in UK)

    11. FINGER POPPIN’ TIME – HANK BALLARD & THE MIDNIGHTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAeea4S43JY

    Their first big smash on the BB Hot 100 (and the record referred to in
    the “Let’s Go X 3” piece above that graced the charts just before their original “The Twist” was revived to challenge the Chubby Checker
    upstart. #7 for the boys on BB Hot 100 #2 R&B. Released in UK on
    Parlophone

    12. SUDDENLY THERE’S A VALLEY – THE DRIFTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bgjPPUaJPk

    From a session on April 28 1958 (that also produced “Drip Drop”) came “Suddenly There’s A Valley” featuring a dynamic Bobby Hendricks/Tommy Evans duet.The boys here revive the much-recorded song from 1955
    originally by Grandma Fuck herself (alias Gogi Grant). In the USA it
    came out as the flip to “I Count The Tears” In late 1960 as well as appearing on the “Greatest Hits” LP. Never a single here in UK (as noted above “Sadie My Lady” was the UK flip) it was confined to the LP
    release on London

    13. THIS MAGIC MOMENT – THE DRIFTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bacBKKgc4Uo

    A much more up to date Drifters recording from December 1959 with the by
    now trademark lead of Ben E. King that reached #16 BB Hot 100 and #4
    r&b. Released in the UK on London.

    14. ONCE UPON A TIME – ROCHELL & THE CANDLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_eozRsvFs

    Representing the West Coast here come Rochell & The Candles from Los
    Angeles with their memorable hit “Once Upon A Time” on the Swingin’ label. Reached #26 BB Hot 100 and #20 r&b. Apparently it was scheduled
    for UK release on Top Rank but no such record appears in their files and
    nobody here has ever seen a copy

    15. TONIGHT’S THE NIGHT – THE SHIRELLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzCDwGw6tdA

    Here’s those Passaic pussycats again with an earlier outing this time
    that did quite well reaching #39 BB Hot 100 and #14 r&b. This was
    famously covered by The Chiffons. Contrary to what Whitburn says these
    were not the famous Bronx “He’s So Fine” group but another bunch of gals from Los Angeles. This Shirelles was on Scepter in US and London label
    in UK

    16. LONELY WINDS – THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ_zY1Ah8SU

    Benny at the helm here again as we wrap up the considerable Drifters consignment here today. Didn’t do quite as well as most other Drifters
    discs of the time peaking at #54 BB Hot 100 but a more respectable #9
    r&b. Atlantic label of course in USA and London here in UK

    17. TO BE LOVED (FOREVER) – THE PENTAGONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM115N5ebl8

    Smooth doowop favorite by this five man outfit from San Bernardino Ca. originally recorded for George Motola’s small Fleetwood International
    label where it made enough noise to attract the attention of Bob Keane
    who released it on his Del-Fi subsidiary Donna label selling well enough
    to reach #48 on the BB Hot 100 in early 1961. Here in UK it appeared on
    London but received very little airplay since I never heard it until
    much later

    18. DIAMONDS AND PEARLS – THE PARADONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5RpuM3b9-E

    Four man group from Bakersfield Ca with the lovely number they are
    renowned for recorded in 1960 for the small Milestone label. It reached
    the BB Hot 100 at #18 and scored a #27 hit on their r&b chart. Here in
    UK it appeared on Top Rank label

    19. DANCE BY THE LIGHT OF THE MOON – THE OLYMPICS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD7UiGol1cg

    Regular hitmakers by this point in time The Olympics rock up the old
    Tony Pastor “Dance With A Dolly” ditty from 1940 into one of their best performances since “Western Movies”. Released on the Arvee label it sold well enough t o reach #47 on the BB Hot 100 but failed to register on
    the R&B chart. Here in UK it appeared on the Vogue label retitled back
    to “Dance With A Dolly (With A Hole In Her Stocking)”. No,I don’t know why either

    20. HELP ME – THE DEL-CHORDS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFS5ePB1BpY

    Time to cruise way down south now to Dixie---Ville Platte,La to be
    exact---and let the Del-Chords serenade us with this little beauty
    recorded for Floyd Soileau’s Jin label by this group of whom I know
    nothing more—save that this is a wonderful sound! (It goes without
    saying that this never appeared on this side of the puddle but then
    again I don’t suppose it graced the shelves of very many Queens or Bronx record stores either)

    BUBBLING UNDER

    That’s What You’re Doing To Me The Five Keys
    The Wind The Jesters
    Let’s Do The Cha Cha The Magnificents
    That’s How It Goes The Jesters
    Rendezvous With You The Desires

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 06:38:02 2024
    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    1 ¦ Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    2 ¦ Finger Poppin' Time ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    3 ¦ Let's Do The Cha-Cha ¦ Magnificents
    4 ¦ Suddenly There's A Valley ¦ Drifters
    5 ¦ Doggin' Around ¦ Jackie Wilson
    6 ¦ Honky Tonky ¦ Drifters
    7 ¦ Big Boy Pete ¦ Olympics
    8 ¦ I'll Go Crazy ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
    9 ¦ I Got To Know ¦ Five Royales
    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney
    11 ¦ Found A Woman ¦ Jack Scott & Chantones
    12 ¦ Stay ¦ Maurice Williams & Zodiacs
    13 ¦ I Count The Tears ¦ Drifters
    14 ¦ Daddy's Gonna Tell You No Lie ¦ Cosmic Rays
    15 ¦ Spanish Harlem ¦ Ben E. King
    16 ¦ Chain Gang ¦ Sam Cooke
    17 ¦ Shop Around ¦ Miracles
    18 ¦ Since You're Gone ¦ Diablos
    19 ¦ Shoppin' For Clothes ¦ Coasters
    20 ¦ People Will Say We're In Love ¦ Spaniels
    21 ¦ Stuck On You ¦ Elvis Presley & Jordanaires
    22 ¦ The Wind ¦ Jesters
    23 ¦ Don't Dog Me ¦ Clyde McPhatter (Drifters)
    24 ¦ Dance By The Light Of The Moon ¦ Olympics
    25 ¦ Wonderful World ¦ Sam Cooke
    26 ¦ Rendezvous With You ¦ Desires
    27 ¦ The Twist ¦ Chubby Checker & Dreamlovers
    28 ¦ Bewildered ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
    29 ¦ Tonight's The Night ¦ Shirelles
    30 ¦ Rip Van Winkle ¦ Devotions
    31 ¦ Tell Me A Tale ¦ Charm Kings
    32 ¦ Pony Time ¦ Goodtimers
    33 ¦ Stop Your Crying ¦ Five Keys
    34 ¦ To Be Loved (Forever) ¦ Pentagons
    35 ¦ Twistin' USA ¦ Chubby Checker & Dreamlovers
    36 ¦ When We Dance ¦ Marveliers
    37 ¦ Come On Home ¦ Eddie Boyd & Daylighters
    38 ¦ I Gotta Know ¦ Elvis Presley & Jordanaires
    39 ¦ Once Upon A Time ¦ Rochell & Candles
    40 ¦ The Hoochi Coochi Coo ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    41 ¦ After I've Done The Best That I Can ¦ Hightower Brothers
    42 ¦ Gonna Be Too Late ¦ Five Keys
    43 ¦ Greenfields ¦ Brothers Four
    44 ¦ Oh, Little One ¦ Jack Scott & Chantones
    45 ¦ This Magic Moment ¦ Drifters
    46 ¦ Nobody But Me ¦ Drifters
    47 ¦ Young Lady (alternate) ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    48 ¦ Let's Take A Walk ¦ Crescendos
    49 ¦ Too Poor ¦ Detroit Jr.
    50 ¦ My Heart's Desire ¦ Jiving Juniors
    51 ¦ I Know ¦ Spaniels
    52 ¦ It's Now Or Never ¦ Elvis Presley & Jordanaires
    53 ¦ Diamonds And Pearls ¦ Paradons
    54 ¦ One Week From Today ¦ Shep & Limelites
    55 ¦ Trouble In Paradise ¦ Crests
    56 ¦ Who's Lovin' You ¦ Miracles
    57 ¦ Are You Lonesome Tonight ¦ Elvis Presley & Jordanaires
    58 ¦ I'm Thinking of You ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    59 ¦ I Only Want You ¦ Passions
    60 ¦ I Burned Your Letter ¦ Five Keys
    61 ¦ The Watusi ¦ Vibrations
    62 ¦ Baby Sweets ¦ Spaniels
    63 ¦ Once In Awhile ¦ Chimes
    64 ¦ Such A Night ¦ Elvis Presley & Jordanaires
    65 ¦ Going To The City ¦ Bobby Mathis & Sevilles
    66 ¦ Lonely Lover ¦ Heartbeats
    67 ¦ Sadie My Lady ¦ Drifters
    68 ¦ Your Teeth And Your Tongue ¦ Five Keys
    69 ¦ Everybody Does Wrong Some Time ¦ Hank Ballard & The Midnighters
    70 ¦ It's All Right (With Me) ¦ Heartbeats
    71 ¦ Long John Silver ¦ Sammy Griggs & Coronets
    72 ¦ I'll Never, Never Let You Go ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
    73 ¦ Twistin' Pneumonia ¦ Genies
    74 ¦ Shimmy Time ¦ Orioles
    75 ¦ Ain't That Love ¦ Four Tops
    76 ¦ Memories (Of My Mother) ¦ Fairfield Four
    77 ¦ Next Christmas ¦ Beale Street Boys
    78 ¦ What You Gonna Do ¦ Diablos
    79 ¦ A Lonely Island ¦ Peter Pete & Lovers
    80 ¦ Foolish Decision ¦ Doris Payne (Gospelaires)
    81 ¦ Quit My Job ¦ Huey "Piano" Smith & Clowns
    82 ¦ That's What You're Doing To Me ¦ Five Keys
    83 ¦ To Be Loved By You ¦ Marie Knight
    84 ¦ So Good, So Good ¦ Clovers
    85 ¦ Double Rock ¦ Bobby & Bengals
    86 ¦ Tonight's The Night ¦ Chiffons
    87 ¦ If I Didn't Love You Like I Do ¦ Drifters
    88 ¦ Rumbun' Tumbun' Baby ¦ Emeralds
    89 ¦ Souvenirs ¦ Drifters
    90 ¦ Hey Senorita ¦ Drifters
    91 ¦ Gee ¦ Alladins
    92 ¦ I Want To Know ¦ Gay Poppers
    93 ¦ Baltimore ¦ Drifters
    94 ¦ Crazy Crazy Crazy ¦ Flamingos
    95 ¦ Step By Step ¦ Crests
    96 ¦ Rosetta ¦ Five Keys
    97 ¦ (You Can) Depend On Me ¦ Miracles
    98 ¦ King of Lovers ¦ Ray Frazier & Blenders
    99 ¦ Oh What A Night ¦ Tokens
    100 ¦ I've Learned My Lesson ¦ Helen Bryant
    101 ¦ Nobody Loves Me Like You ¦ Flamingos

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 09:53:54 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 12:09:46 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    30 Rip Van Winkle Devotions

    1961 on Delta 1001 ?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Mon Oct 7 15:19:42 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 12:41:11 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    78 What You Gonna Do Diablos

    I like this side but with one major off-putting exception -
    the lead Nolan Strong really does sounds effeminate.

    I followed up this perception with some research and it
    turns out that 20 years ago Bill Bugge suggested that Nolan
    Strong was indeed 'gay'.

    Perhaps Bruce is secretly 'gay' :-)

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 16:18:37 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to
    Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by
    the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear on "(I
    Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Mon Oct 7 16:53:41 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by
    the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear on "(I Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the
    same person, like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHLuM7L--0

    What matters is what the recording sounds like. Even this is a vocal
    group IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhKTqdxRdo

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 17:05:15 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:53:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to
    Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by
    the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear on "(I
    Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the
    same person

    As Monty Python would say "STOP THE SKETCH THIS IS GETTING SILLY"

    Bruce, I think you're WAYYYYY out on your own with this one!!

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Oct 7 16:59:47 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:09:46 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    30 ¦ Rip Van Winkle ¦ Devotions

    1961 on Delta 1001 ?

    Indeed and reviewed in BB P.48 August 14 1961

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 13:22:19 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    37 Come On Home Eddie Boyd & Daylighters

    Eddie Boyd is a solo vocalist on this side;
    we don't hear anything from the Daylighters.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Oct 7 18:59:30 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 17:22:19 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    37 ¦ Come On Home ¦ Eddie Boyd & Daylighters

    Eddie Boyd is a solo vocalist on this side;
    we don't hear anything from the Daylighters.

    Yes, out it goes.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 7 20:49:09 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:59:30 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 17:22:19 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    37 ¦ Come On Home ¦ Eddie Boyd & Daylighters

    Eddie Boyd is a solo vocalist on this side;
    we don't hear anything from the Daylighters.

    Yes, out it goes.

    Hold on a sec!

    I understood this record to be released TWICE---once on Bea & Baby in
    1959 sans any vocal backing

    But then reissued in 1960 on Key Hole with The Daylighters DUBBED onto
    the original B&B track

    Don't have either record just going by some notes I found

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 06:46:59 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:23:12 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1960

    and here is Geoff's exciting Fave Vocal Group Records from 1960

    (Bruce's list caused me to add 3 or 4 excellent tracks such as
    Bobby & The Bengals "Double Rock")

    Barry & The Highlights - Xmas Bell Rock
    Bobby & The Bengals - Double Rock
    Chubby Checker & Dreamlovers - The Twist
    Bobby Marchan - Quit My Job
    Jack Scott & Chantones - Oh, Little One
    Little Guy & The Giants - It's You
    Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs - Stay
    Peter Pete & Lovers - A Lonely Island
    Ray Frazier & Blenders - King of Lovers
    Rochelle and The Candles - Once Upon A Time
    Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks - Hey Boba Lou
    Starlites - Valerie
    Sonny Til - Shimmy Time
    Tony Morra & The Do-Wel's - Looking For My Baby
    The Altairs f. George Benson - If You Love Me
    The Beaumarks - Billy, Billy Went A-Walking
    The Blue Diamonds - Oh Carol
    The Bobbettes - I Shot Mr. Lee
    The Brothers Four - Greenfields
    The Cameos - Never Before
    The Cameos - Wait Up
    The Coasters - Shoppin' For Clothes
    The Cosmic Rays - Daddy's Gonna Tell You No Lie
    The Crests - Step By Step
    The Crests - Trouble In Paradise
    The Deans - Humpty Dumpty
    The Desires - Rendezvous With You
    The Dreamers - Natalie
    The Drifters - Save The Last Dance For Me
    The Drifters - This Magic Moment
    The Earthquakes & Rhythm Kings - Crazy Bop
    The Five Dollars - My Baby-O
    The Five Keys - I Burned Your Letter
    The Genies - Twisting Pneumonia
    The Hi-Tombs - Sweet Rockin' Mama
    The Hollywood Argyles - Ally Oop
    The Innocents - Honest I Do
    The Jiving Juniors - My Heart's Desire
    The Magnificents - Let's Do The Cha-Cha
    The Marveliers - When We Dance
    The Mascots - Lonely Rain
    The Miracles - Shop Around
    The Paradons - Please Tell Me
    The Passions - This Is My Love
    The Safaris - Image Of A Girl
    The Skyliners - Believe Me
    The Vocaleers - Love And Devotion
    The Young Lions - Little Girl
    Vickie Diaz - For Eternity

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Oct 9 13:51:40 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 10:46:59 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:23:12 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1960

    and here is Geoff's exciting Fave Vocal Group Records from 1960


    Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs - Stay

    The very best vocal group record of the year IMO. Pity its also the
    shortest!

    The Bobbettes - I Shot Mr. Lee

    This was a hit in the Triple-X label version but the Atlantic version is
    MUCH more solid and stronger

    The Cosmic Rays - Daddy's Gonna Tell You No Lie

    The jazz guy Sun Ra with a number I find pretty good too

    The Hollywood Argyles - Ally Oop

    Always found this trite and boring. As also with the Dante/Evergreens
    version. IMO this is the best version of "Alley Oop"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHUyu-yoNl4

    The Magnificents - Let's Do The Cha-Cha

    Excellent one that just missed my list

    The Safaris - Image Of A Girl

    Pretty dopey poppy number that was a big favorite of mine at the time
    and that I still have some liking for now

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Wed Oct 9 14:58:27 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 13:51:40 +0000, Roger wrote:

    The Magnificents - Let's Do The Cha-Cha

    Excellent one that just missed my list

    Diane heard this in my car on our first date and That's how I won her
    over!

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger on Wed Oct 9 12:46:59 2024
    On 10/7/2024 1:05 PM, Roger wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:53:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to
    Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by
    the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear on "(I >>> Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the
    same person

    As Monty Python would say "STOP THE SKETCH THIS IS GETTING SILLY"

    Bruce, I think you're WAYYYYY out on your own with this one!!
    ----------
    Even I don't agree with him on this. It *is* getting silly.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Wed Oct 9 17:19:58 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:46:59 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/7/2024 1:05 PM, Roger wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:53:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to
    Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by >>>> the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear on "(I >>>> Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the
    same person

    As Monty Python would say "STOP THE SKETCH THIS IS GETTING SILLY"

    Bruce, I think you're WAYYYYY out on your own with this one!!
    ----------
    Even I don't agree with him on this. It *is* getting silly.

    So the Blue Sky Boys records are not vocal group records?

    How about that current guy who Tommy V turned us on to who sings all the
    voices too. Those are not vocal group recordings?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Wed Oct 9 18:22:05 2024
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:49:09 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:59:30 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 17:22:19 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:38:02 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    37 ¦ Come On Home ¦ Eddie Boyd & Daylighters

    Eddie Boyd is a solo vocalist on this side;
    we don't hear anything from the Daylighters.

    Yes, out it goes.

    Hold on a sec!

    I understood this record to be released TWICE---once on Bea & Baby in
    1959 sans any vocal backing

    But then reissued in 1960 on Key Hole with The Daylighters DUBBED onto
    the original B&B track

    Don't have either record just going by some notes I found

    Thanks, that's why I listed it. I have both on MP3.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Oct 9 20:51:46 2024
    On 10/9/2024 10:58 AM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 13:51:40 +0000, Roger wrote:

    The Magnificents - Let's Do The Cha-Cha

    Excellent one that just missed my list

    Diane heard this in my car on our first date and That's how I won her
    over!
    ----------
    Yes, he had me at "Let's Do The Cha-Cha." No mean feat considering it
    was a hot, sticky, end-of-summer day and the air conditioner in that car
    did not work.

    Very mysterious record. Everyone agrees that this group is not the "Up
    On The Mountain" Magnificents, but no one knows for sure who they were.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Oct 9 20:46:01 2024
    On 10/9/2024 1:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:46:59 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/7/2024 1:05 PM, Roger wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:53:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to >>>>> Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by >>>>> the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear
    on "(I
    Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the >>>> same person

    As Monty Python would say "STOP THE SKETCH THIS IS GETTING SILLY"

    Bruce, I think you're WAYYYYY out on your own with this one!!
    ----------
    Even I don't agree with him on this.  It *is* getting silly.

    So the Blue Sky Boys records are not vocal group records?

    How about that current guy who Tommy V turned us on to who sings all the voices too. Those are not vocal group recordings?
    ------------
    No. They sound like vocal group recordings, but....

    Okay, here's an analogy: the "crab cakes" I was getting at Key Food
    taste like crab cakes too.
    They're labeled "crab cakes" but they're made out of pollock. Very
    tasty, but they're not really crab cakes.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Thu Oct 10 01:08:43 2024
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 0:46:01 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/9/2024 1:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:46:59 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/7/2024 1:05 PM, Roger wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:53:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:18:37 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:19:42 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 9:53:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 6:38:02 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    MY 1960 LIST OF FAVORITE VOCAL GROUP RECORDS

    10 ¦ (I Wanna) Love My Life Away ¦ Gene Pitney

    Vocal group?

    bop-bop, bop-bop. ooooo

    I think I might have mentioned before on here about my taking Gene to >>>>>> Heathrow Airport in my taxi.

    One of the (many) things he told me (that I already suspected) was (by >>>>>> the miracle of multi-tracking) that he is ALL the voices you hear
    on "(I
    Wanna) Love My Life Away"

    Therefore there is no "group"

    On the contrary. A vocal group can be 4 or 5 voices all provided by the >>>>> same person

    As Monty Python would say "STOP THE SKETCH THIS IS GETTING SILLY"

    Bruce, I think you're WAYYYYY out on your own with this one!!
    ----------
    Even I don't agree with him on this.  It *is* getting silly.

    So the Blue Sky Boys records are not vocal group records?

    How about that current guy who Tommy V turned us on to who sings all the
    voices too. Those are not vocal group recordings?
    ------------
    No. They sound like vocal group recordings, but....

    Okay, here's an analogy: the "crab cakes" I was getting at Key Food
    taste like crab cakes too.
    They're labeled "crab cakes" but they're made out of pollock. Very
    tasty, but they're not really crab cakes.

    That analogy doesn't work here.

    A "vocal group" record requires 3 or more voices singing together. The
    fact that more than one voice is coming from the same person is not
    relevant.

    When determining whether or not a recording is a vocal group recording
    it should be done 100% by listening to the recording. Everything else is
    irrelevant to that determination.

    Let's say that the Temptations were recording a song and Otis Williams
    was not there because he had a strep throat. So either one of the other
    members overdubs Otis' part to keep it at 5 guys, or, Jimmy Ruffin fills
    in and sings' Otis' part, it is STILL vocal group record. The rest is
    just legalities, semantics, and/or commerce.

    ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 01:45:52 2024
    Let's take "Let's Do The Cha-Cha." I assume we all agree that it's a
    "Vocal Group Record."

    Suppose we now discover that it was actually one guy doing all the
    voices. Do we now change and say that it's NOT a vocal group record?
    Even though it still sounds the same as it always sounded?

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Oct 10 06:08:19 2024
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 1:45:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Let's take "Let's Do The Cha-Cha." I assume we all agree that it's a
    "Vocal Group Record."

    Suppose we now discover that it was actually one guy doing all the
    voices. Do we now change and say that it's NOT a vocal group record?
    Even though it still sounds the same as it always sounded?

    Since most of your definitions on here (and those of most of the rest of
    us including me) are usually fairly rigid I'd say (in the unlikely event
    of this actually happening)

    "YES WE DO"

    Them straws get harder and harder to clutch don't they :)

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger on Thu Oct 10 11:49:18 2024
    On 10/10/2024 2:08 AM, Roger wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 1:45:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Let's take "Let's Do The Cha-Cha." I assume we all agree that it's a
    "Vocal Group Record."

    Suppose we now discover that it was actually one guy doing all the
    voices. Do we now change and say that it's NOT a vocal group record?
    Even though it still sounds the same as it always sounded?

    Since most of your definitions on here (and those of most of the rest of
    us including me) are usually fairly rigid I'd say (in the unlikely event
    of this actually happening)

    "YES WE DO"

    Them straws get harder and harder to clutch don't they :)
    --------
    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles
    is not a group record because there are only two guys singing. Likewise anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny. So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Thu Oct 10 17:10:11 2024
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles
    is not a group record because there are only two guys singing. Likewise anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny. So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Oct 10 18:24:42 2024
    On 10/10/2024 1:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles
    is not a group record because there are only two guys singing.  Likewise
    anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny.  So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.
    -----------
    Oops!
    But you know which one I meant.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Oct 11 06:50:47 2024
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:24:42 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/10/2024 1:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles
    is not a group record because there are only two guys singing.  Likewise >>> anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny.  So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.
    -----------
    Oops!
    But you know which one I meant.

    I have both the Knockouts and the Bonnevilles as vocal groups

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 11 10:05:55 2024
    I said:

    I believe Bruce's stance on what is and what isn't a vocal group record
    is ridiculous, starting with Elvis.

    I also believe it's arrogant. "Look at me, I'm the only person in the
    world who is smart enough to know that a vocal group record is any
    record with three or more voices."

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Oct 11 09:43:25 2024
    Bruce said:

    A "vocal group" record requires 3 or more voices singing together. The
    fact that more than one voice is coming from the same person is not
    relevant.

    Do they have to sing at the same time or just on the record?

    Is "Ain't Got No Home" a vocal group record?

    I believe Bruce's stance on what is and what isn't a vocal group record
    is ridiculous, starting with Elvis.

    As an aside, I believe records like Robert & Johhny's are not vocal
    group records, but are Doo-Wop.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger on Fri Oct 11 10:33:28 2024
    On 10/11/2024 2:50 AM, Roger wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:24:42 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/10/2024 1:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles >>>> is not a group record because there are only two guys singing.
    Likewise
    anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny.  So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.
    -----------
    Oops!
    But you know which one I meant.

    I have both the Knockouts and the Bonnevilles as vocal groups
    -----------
    Where do you stand on Marvin & Johnny?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Fri Oct 11 22:59:37 2024
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 6:50:47 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:24:42 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/10/2024 1:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles >>>> is not a group record because there are only two guys singing.  Likewise >>>> anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny.  So the number of people singing
    *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.
    -----------
    Oops!
    But you know which one I meant.

    I have both the Knockouts and the Bonnevilles as vocal groups

    Why are the Knockouts a vocal group?

    They are a band and only 2 of them sing on "Darling Lorraine." The same
    amount of people who sing on Robert And Johnny's records, who you say
    are not a vocal group. Please don't tell me that you consider them a
    vocal group merely because of the name of the band?

    Suppose Robert & Johnny called themselves the Knockouts? Would they then magically become a vocal group.

    Are the Zombies a vocal group? How about the Kinks?

    The Knockouts second biggest record is called "Mojo." It's a version of
    "Got My Mojo Working." Is this a group record too, Bill?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbK7ewFu9c

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 12 08:25:37 2024
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 22:59:37 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 6:50:47 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:24:42 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 10/10/2024 1:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:49:18 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Bruce has always pointed out that "Darling Lorraine" by the Bonnevilles >>>>> is not a group record because there are only two guys singing.  Likewise >>>>> anything by, say, Marvin & Johnny.  So the number of people singing >>>>> *does* matter to Bruce.

    "Darling Lorraine" is by the Knockouts.
    -----------
    Oops!
    But you know which one I meant.

    I have both the Knockouts and the Bonnevilles as vocal groups

    Why are the Knockouts a vocal group?

    They are a band and only 2 of them sing on "Darling Lorraine." The same amount of people who sing on Robert And Johnny's records, who you say
    are not a vocal group. Please don't tell me that you consider them a
    vocal group merely because of the name of the band?

    Suppose Robert & Johnny called themselves the Knockouts? Would they then magically become a vocal group.

    Are the Zombies a vocal group? How about the Kinks?

    The Knockouts second biggest record is called "Mojo." It's a version of
    "Got My Mojo Working." Is this a group record too, Bill?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbK7ewFu9c

    After reading up on the Knockouts and hearing their stuff in more detail
    I've revised my opinion and you're right in your "band" description

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