• MY FAVE TOP 20 BY A VOCAL GROUP.......1958

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 07:14:28 2024
    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1958

    1. FOR YOUR PRECIOUS LOVE - JERRY BUTLER & THE IMPRESSIONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR1dKd3vp0w

    One of the greatest r&b vocal group records ever---released first on Vee
    Jay then on Falcon before settling on the Abner label where 95% of its
    sales occurred (a nice 45rpm copy on Vee Jay will set you back north of
    $3K today). The sombre record is regarded by many today as an important
    step on the gradual transition of much r&b into soul.A big hit in its
    day #11 BB pop chart and #3 r&b.Released in UK on London label

    2. SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES – THE PLATTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHJRJC_5gzY

    This is up there with Ray’s “Georgia On My Mind” in my favorites list of revived standards (Gertrude Neisen got to the song first in 1933) and
    was popular enough to give Mercury a #1 record on both sides of the
    Atlantic as well as a #3 BB r&b hit.

    3. DRIP DROP - THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g96RjcyTtMU

    Here’s the Drifters with one of the most memorable songs from the Leiber
    & Stoller catalog on Atlantic that was a #58 hit for the boys on the
    Billboard chart (it was bigger still in the Dion revival of the song in 1963---reaching the BB Top 10). Released in UK on London

    4. YAKETY YAK - THE COASTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axkdiwKgMNo

    Leiber & Stoller strike again in this great number that was ABSOLUTELY
    tailor made for The Coasters on Atco scoring a #1 hit on both sets of BB
    charts as well as giving them a #12 hit over here in UK on London label

    5. TWILIGHT TIME - THE PLATTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPucfTGeDrU

    Another great revival by the Platters---this time of the Three Suns’ “Twilight Time” from 1944 ---and another #1 hit for them on both BB
    charts for the group in the US and a #3 hit in UK appearing on Mercury
    on both sides of the pond

    6. I’M SO YOUNG – THE STUDENTS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLHT4Vo7iE

    Hailing from Cincinnati,Oh this six man vocal outfit will be forever
    remembered for their great “I’m So Young” number originally recorded for the small Note label in Indianapolis.The record attracted the attention
    of Chess Records who took over distribution via their Checker subsid.
    The record was revived in 1961 (on yet another Chess subsid label—Argo)
    this time doing well enough to reach #26 on BB r&b chart. Not released
    UK

    7. TRICKLE TRICKLE - THE VIDEOS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwgJHoO-ffk

    Five man combo out of Jamaica NY on a song revived to acclaim decades
    later by the 70’s/80’s hitmaking group Manhattan Transfer.After
    achieving second place in an Apollo Theatre amateur contest the group’s reward was a record contract with Casino Records of Philly where they
    debuted with the irresistible “Trickle Trickle” b/w a fine ballad “Moonglow You Know”. No UK issue

    8. EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK - THE STUDENTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yre6EG3igLE

    This was the catchy flipside to all the various incarnations of “I’m So Young” above and rated just as good (or nearly as good) by many fans (including me). It is notable today for featuring in the fifth episode
    of Series 6 of “The Sopranos”---“Mr & Mrs John Sacrimoni Request…..”

    9. PLEASE WAIT FOR ME - THE FLAMINGOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkS1n1zxbik

    Later known much better as “Lovers Never Say Goodbye”--but their first release after switching to the End label in late 1958 was a wonderful
    number featuring a twin Terry Johnson/Paul Wilson lead and initially
    titled “Please Wait For Me” before a title change to the much better
    known “Lovers Never Say Goodbye”. Under the latter title this one
    reached #25 r&b and #52 pop on the r&b charts.No UK single release

    10. ZOOM,ZOOM,ZOOM - THE COLLEGIANS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT0y_OCkAk0

    I remember from my visits to the USA meeting lots of fans and collectors
    of “THE” music and noting just how many rated this record as one of the best of the upbeat 50’s vocal group rock ‘n’ roll numbers. The group itself was a five man outfit recording for Paul Winley in NYC and
    appearing on his self titled label together with a host of other great
    vocal groups including The Paragons and The Jesters

    11. I WONDER WHY – DION & THE BELMONTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ip2l9wst4

    One of the most memorable—and best---white r&r vocal group records of
    the 50’s has to be “I Wonder Why” the ultra-catchy debut on Laurie label of straight outa da Bronxians Dion & The Belmonts that became popular
    enough to reach #22 on the Billboard best seller chart. Issued in UK
    on London label

    12. OH GEE OH GOSH – THE KODOKS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPo5DeLAaOo

    The Kodoks (or sometimes Kodaks) hailed from Newark NJ and were slightly unusual in having a girl lead (Pearl McKinnon) fronting four other guys
    with a whole slew of singles out on various NYC labels,the most
    prominent being Bobby Robinson’s Fury imprint whence the ultra catchy
    “Oh Gee Oh Gosh” comes

    13. STORMY WEATHER – THE SPANIELS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrckXJv1jA

    And yet another great old standard revived (originally by the Leo
    Reisman Orchestra vocal : Harold Arlen in 1933) but made most famous by
    Ethel Waters in 1933 and even more by Lena Horne in 1942. It’s excellent
    by The Spaniels on Vee Jay here of course but I wish they’d kept the
    same tempo of the song a la The Five Sharps version in 1952. The
    Spaniels may be the most important of the 1950’s r&b vocal groups NEVER
    to have had a UK release in our time period

    14. TEARDROPS ON YOUR LETTER - HANK BALLARD & THE MIDNIGHTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inVb2FMp-xI

    Their first single issued under the “Hank Ballard &….” moniker and on
    the first issue of this single in December 1958 this was the “A” side of the record (the flip being the throwaway “The Twist” number that will
    never get anywhere). And of course a move to the main King label from
    Federal and a chart success too (#4 BB r&b #87 pop). It was also the
    very first Midnighters single to get a UK release (in May 1959) on
    Parlophone.

    15. SINCE I DON’T HAVE YOU – THE SKYLINERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ws5NQgE7s

    Here’s one I’ve really liked since first hearing it on radio as a kid in 1959 (released here on London) and stayed a fave ever since. White
    quintet from Pittsburgh with Jimmy Beaumont (lead) and including the
    girl Janet Vogel who sadly committed suicide much later.. On the Calico
    label this was a big hit charting #12 BB pop and #3 r&b.

    16. ALL NIGHT LONG - THE DU MAURIERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9-_1v9Y5M

    Here’s a group straight out of Brooklyn that only ever had this ONE
    record (I think---leastways I can trace no other) on Bobby Robinson’s
    Fury label. But what a record!! Fell in love with it the first time I
    ever head it (MUCH later!) at Val Shively’s I think .

    17. HEART AND SOUL - THE SPANIELS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDGHrsrHQQI

    Yet another old standard revived (originally by Larry Clinton/Bea Wain
    in 1938) in a gorgeous bass-led version here (courtesy Gerald Gregory of course) on Vee Jay and their last single release of 1958---also notable
    that it was coupled on the single by an excellent remake of their old
    number “Baby It’s You” (see entry below). Meantime their version of “Heart And Soul” heads my list of favorite versions of the song which go
    on to include The Cleftones and Jan & Dean

    18. THERE’S A MOON OUT TONIGHT – THE CAPRIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USY2AWAbqpo

    Not to be confused in any way with the much earlier Capris group of “God
    Only Knows” fame this was a monster hit for this different five man
    outfit from Queens NYC on Old Town in 1961 (#3 BB pop #11 r&b) it was
    actually recorded In 1958 and first appeared that year on a tiny hole -in-the-wall Planet label.The history on this record is very convoluted
    (for instance it also appeared on Lost Nite in 1960 BEFORE the Old Town release). Confusing enough? (Released here in UK too on Columbia)

    19. YOU CHEATED - THE SHIELDS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XovMwYdCTLE

    The Shields were a five man outfit formed by producer George Motola in
    Los Angeles solely to record “You Cheated” and take sales away from the Slades original version on Domino.The ploy worked since too since The
    Shields enjoyed much the most successful version (after Dot Records
    took over distribution from the original small Tender label) reaching
    #11 BB r&b and #12 BB pop Over here in UK The Shields record appeared on
    London but got little airplay---certainly I never heard the song
    then---not till very much later in the 60’s

    20. CHAPEL BELLS - THE FASCINATORS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9bfP6TnIg

    Not to be confused with several other groups using the “Fascinators”
    name this particular Fascinators group hailed from good ole Brooklyn and
    were a five-man mixed race group signed by Capitol. Their first record
    was the memorable “Chapel Bells” in September 1958.A couple of other singles followed (including another fave of mine “Oh Rose Marie”) before the group dissolved. Capitol here in UK released this one too

    BUBBLING UNDER

    Baby It’s You The Spaniels (1958 version)
    One Summer Night The Dandleers*
    Lama Rama Ding Dong* The Edsels
    Dance Girl Lewis Lymon & The Teenchords
    Crying The Versatiles

    *as per original issue

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 07:21:21 2024
    Here is what I have:

    1 ¦ Hang Up My Rock And Roll Shoes ¦ Chuck Willis
    2 ¦ Drip Drop ¦ Drifters
    3 ¦ Got A Job ¦ Miracles
    4 ¦ Yakety Yak ¦ Coasters
    5 ¦ What Am I Living For ¦ Chuck Willis
    6 ¦ Trickle, Trickle ¦ Videos
    7 ¦ Stormy Weather ¦ Spaniels
    8 ¦ Zoom Zoom Zoom ¦ Collegians
    9 ¦ I Wonder Why ¦ Dion & Belmonts
    10 ¦ Oh Baby ¦ Jesters
    11 ¦ All Nite Long ¦ Du Mauriers
    12 ¦ Western Movies ¦ Olympics
    13 ¦ Teardrops On Your Letter ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    14 ¦ Tell Me What I Did Wrong ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
    15 ¦ All About You ¦ Clovers
    16 ¦ Lovers Never Say Goodbye ¦ Flamingos
    17 ¦ Try The Impossible ¦ Lee Andrews & Hearts
    18 ¦ Every Night (I Pray) ¦ Chantels
    19 ¦ Dont'cha Think It's Time ¦ Elvis Presley (Jordanaires)
    20 ¦ For Your Precious Love ¦ Jerry Butler & Impressions
    21 ¦ Heart And Soul ¦ Spaniels
    22 ¦ Lama Rama Ding Dong ¦ Edsels
    23 ¦ Twilight Time ¦ Platters
    24 ¦ If You Need Some Lovin' ¦ Nappy Brown
    25 ¦ Lights Are Low ¦ El Dorados
    26 ¦ So Fine ¦ Fiestas
    27 ¦ Tears On My Pillow ¦ Little Anthony & Imperials
    28 ¦ Oh Gee Oh Gosh ¦ Kodaks
    29 ¦ Baby Baby Every Night ¦ Etta Jams & Flares
    30 ¦ Well ¦ Olympics
    31 ¦ I Cried A Tear ¦ LaVerne Baker
    32 ¦ I Laughed ¦ Jesters
    33 ¦ The Twist ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters
    34 ¦ She Say (Oom Dooby Doom) ¦ Diamonds
    35 ¦ Mad At Love ¦ Temptations
    36 ¦ I Remember ¦ Five Discs
    37 ¦ Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ¦ Platters
    38 ¦ Wedding Bells ¦ Tiny Tim & Hits
    39 ¦ Lonesome Town ¦ Ricky Nelson (Jordanaires)
    40 ¦ Every Day Of The Week ¦ Students
    41 ¦ I'm So Young ¦ Students
    42 ¦ I Don't Like You That Much ¦ Royal Jokers
    43 ¦ Rock-in Robin ¦ Bobby Day & Satellites
    44 ¦ You Cheated ¦ Shields
    45 ¦ Chapel Of Dreams ¦ Dubs
    46 ¦ Walking With My Baby ¦ Vocaltones
    47 ¦ I Met Him On A Sunday ¦ Shirelles
    48 ¦ My Johnny ¦ Little Miss Wanda (Titans)
    49 ¦ Count Every Star ¦ Rivieras
    50 ¦ After School Rock ¦ Baritones
    51 ¦ Over And Over ¦ Bobby Day & Satellites
    52 ¦ Honey Honey ¦ Truetones
    53 ¦ I Love You So ¦ Chantels
    54 ¦ It's Just A Matter Of Time ¦ Brook Benton
    55 ¦ So Tired ¦ Leonard Carbo (Spiders)
    56 ¦ Chinese Boogie ¦ Hy-Tones
    57 ¦ Feelin' Right Saturday Night ¦ Velvetiers
    58 ¦ Don't Talk Back ¦ Big Mama Thornton & Hi-Tones
    59 ¦ Rock And Roll Is Here To Stay ¦ Danny & Juniors
    60 ¦ Two People In The World ¦ Little Anthony & Imperials
    61 ¦ Itchy Twitchy Feeling ¦ Bobby Hendricks
    62 ¦ Secretly ¦ Jimmie Rodgers
    63 ¦ No, No, No ¦ Chanters
    64 ¦ Zing! Went The Strings Of My Heart ¦ Coasters
    65 ¦ 16 Candles ¦ Crests
    66 ¦ The Girl Is Gone ¦ Solitaires
    67 ¦ My True Love ¦ Jack Scott (Chantones)
    68 ¦ There's A Moon Out Tonight ¦ Capris
    69 ¦ The Bells Are Ringing ¦ Van Dykes
    70 ¦ Last Night I Dreamed ¦ Fiestas
    71 ¦ Daddy's Little Baby ¦ Midnighters
    72 ¦ Pretty Girls Everywhere ¦ Eugene Church
    73 ¦ I've Had It ¦ Bell Notes
    74 ¦ Oh-Oh, I'm Falling In Love Again ¦ Jimmie Rodgers
    75 ¦ Miss Annie ¦ Plurals
    76 ¦ Bing Bong ¦ Silhouettes
    77 ¦ Be Sure My Love ¦ Dubs
    78 ¦ No One Knows ¦ Dion & Belmonts
    79 ¦ Big Man ¦ Four Preps
    80 ¦ Down On My Knees ¦ Heartbeats
    81 ¦ Ozeta ¦ Magnificents
    82 ¦ Dance, Girl, Dance ¦ Norman Fox & Rob Roys
    83 ¦ Lollipop ¦ Chordettes
    84 ¦ Great Googley Moo ¦ Spaniels
    85 ¦ Glad To Be Here ¦ Lee Andrews & Hearts
    86 ¦ Legend Of Sleepy Hollow ¦ Monotones
    87 ¦ Runaround Baby ¦ Kodaks
    88 ¦ Vowels Of Love ¦ Poets
    89 ¦ Three Reasons Why ¦ El Dorados
    90 ¦ I Lost You ¦ Spaniels
    91 ¦ Sometimes I Wonder ¦ Heartbeats
    92 ¦ Doll Baby ¦ Tiny Tim & Hits
    93 ¦ Early Morning Rock ¦ Deltones
    94 ¦ Crazee Baby ¦ Spaniels
    95 ¦ False Alarm ¦ Revels
    96 ¦ Peppermint Stick ¦ Elchords
    97 ¦ At The Ball ¦ Unique Teens
    98 ¦ Love Me Sweet ¦ Intervals
    99 ¦ I'm Gonna Thank Him ¦ Spaniels
    100 ¦ Cryin' The Blues ¦ Moonbeams
    101 ¦ My New Hi-Fi ¦ Peacocks
    102 ¦ Di Di ¦ Dell Rays
    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows
    104 ¦ Baby Please ¦ Midnighters
    105 ¦ White Cliffs Of Dover ¦ Pharoahs
    106 ¦ Be Mine ¦ Mellows
    107 ¦ Pennies From Heaven ¦ Clovers
    108 ¦ Chapel Bells ¦ Fascinators
    109 ¦ One Summer Night ¦ Danleers
    110 ¦ Voice Of The Drums ¦ Jim Holiday & Futuretones
    111 ¦ The Plea ¦ Jesters
    112 ¦ Yum Yum ¦ La Salles
    113 ¦ Jingle Jingle ¦ Tremaines
    114 ¦ I Really Love You So (Honey Baby) ¦ Solitaires
    115 ¦ Can I Walk You Home ¦ Velours
    116 ¦ Do You Love Her ¦ Impressors
    117 ¦ Sorry, But I'm Gonna Have To Pass ¦ Coasters
    118 ¦ Pretty Little Angel ¦ Crests
    119 ¦ Blueberry Sweet ¦ Chandeliers
    120 ¦ Try Me ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 14 15:31:41 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I have:

    A comment or three on those on those not in my post that I rate 8 or
    more

    3 ¦ Got A Job ¦ Miracles

    #104 and an 8 real good early one by them

    10 ¦ Oh Baby ¦ Jesters

    Seriously under rated group #147 and an 8

    12 ¦ Western Movies ¦ Olympics

    #113 and 8. This charted at #12 on NME here in November 1958

    26 ¦ So Fine ¦ Fiestas

    I like the "Last Night I Dreamed" flip slightly better

    "So Fine" rates #159 and an 8

    27 ¦ Tears On My Pillow ¦ Little Anthony & Imperials

    #129 and an 8

    I have this as just "The Imperials" as per original copies

    47 ¦ I Met Him On A Sunday ¦ Shirelles

    #128 and 8

    50 ¦ After School Rock ¦ Baritones

    Did not know this one. Don't like it much. Doubt I'll add it

    63 ¦ No, No, No ¦ Chanters

    #299 and its just a 7 but My copy credits "Bud Johnson & The Chanters"

    70 ¦ Last Night I Dreamed ¦ Fiestas

    #153 and 8

    73 ¦ I've Had It ¦ Bell Notes

    Not listed.Never liked this when it was out and nothing's changed since

    76 ¦ Bing Bong ¦ Silhouettes

    #121 and 8

    79 ¦ Big Man ¦ Four Preps

    #355 and a 7. Very pop but I always liked this one.Similarly liked their earlier "Twenty Six Miles" as well

    83 ¦ Lollipop ¦ Chordettes

    Funny I like this one too but way down at #567 and 7

    90 ¦ I Lost You ¦ Spaniels

    I have this in 1957 - #151 and 8

    94 ¦ Crazee Baby ¦ Spaniels

    Likewise this one 1957 also - #477 and 7

    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton". Has to be
    1957 I think cos later Gone All Stars thing is def 1957 cos its reviewed
    in BB 2 December 1957

    105 ¦ White Cliffs Of Dover ¦ Pharoahs

    Wow! A British record! The guys singing are Americans tho--serving in US
    army in Europe I think came to London some material released as an EP on
    UK Decca

    109 ¦ One Summer Night ¦ Danleers

    I list this at #94 and an 8. They are THE DANDLEERS on the original
    Amp-3 release

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 17:56:53 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:31:41 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton".

    I also have it as just Tony Middleton. I only added the Willows part on
    this list because it was a list of vocal group records....although by
    your rules I guess it's not a vocal group record. It's some singers
    backing up Tony Middleton.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Mon Oct 14 17:43:22 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:31:41 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton". Has to be
    1957 I think cos later Gone All Stars thing is def 1957 cos its reviewed
    in BB 2 December 1957

    Yes, I'll have to move it. It's a pain in the ass making these changes,
    but actually it's a big plus for both of us as we find out about year
    mistakes from each other with these kinds of projects.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 14 17:11:58 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:43:22 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:31:41 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    103 Let's Fall In Love Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton". Has to be
    1957 I think cos later Gone All Stars thing is def 1957 cos its reviewed
    in BB 2 December 1957

    Yes, I'll have to move it. It's a pain in the ass making these changes,
    but actually it's a big plus for both of us as we find out about year >mistakes from each other with these kinds of projects.

    Is it a pain because you have to manually change all the rankings
    above the track in both the wrong and correct year lists?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Oct 14 21:18:26 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:11:58 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:43:22 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:31:41 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton". Has to be
    1957 I think cos later Gone All Stars thing is def 1957 cos its reviewed >>> in BB 2 December 1957

    Yes, I'll have to move it. It's a pain in the ass making these changes,
    but actually it's a big plus for both of us as we find out about year >>mistakes from each other with these kinds of projects.

    Is it a pain because you have to manually change all the rankings
    above the track in both the wrong and correct year lists?

    That plus I also have to change the 2 playlists of the lists.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 14 21:03:54 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:18:26 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:11:58 +0000, RWC wrote:

    Is it a pain because you have to manually change all the rankings
    above the track in both the wrong and correct year lists?

    That plus I also have to change the 2 playlists of the lists.

    for anyone interested, this web page will number any list you give it:

    https://gillmeister-software.com/online-tools/text/numbering-lines.aspx

    and you can specify what comes between each number and list item,
    for example " ", and there are formatting options for the generated
    number

    and there's a 'Copy {output} to clipboard' button

    I think this means you would keep just two copies of each list,
    one with numbers (e.g. rankings) and a corresponding list without numbers
    ready for changing at any time...

    (it works, I tested using a list (unchanged) recently posted by Bruce:
    1 1 Hang Up My Rock And Roll Shoes Chuck Willis
    2 2 Drip Drop Drifters
    3 3 Got A Job Miracles
    ...
    120 120 Try Me James Brown & Famous Flames)

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 14 21:49:46 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 01:27:16 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Nice, but it would take a long time to delete the numbers that are
    already there on my lists.

    I posted an efficient solution before seeing this post, Bruce :-)

    It is a once only effort for each list that could change.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Oct 15 01:49:11 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:56:53 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:31:41 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 7:21:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    103 ¦ Let's Fall In Love ¦ Tony Middleton & Willows

    I have this in 1957 and credited simply to "Tony Middleton".

    I also have it as just Tony Middleton. I only added the Willows part on
    this list because it was a list of vocal group records....although by
    your rules I guess it's not a vocal group record. It's some singers
    backing up Tony Middleton.

    Okay, I took the Middleton out and added this at the bottom as the new
    #120.

    I'm So In Love With You - Henry Clement and the Dewdrops

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy_wPRivIo

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Oct 14 21:39:48 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:03:54 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:18:26 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:11:58 +0000, RWC wrote:

    Is it a pain because you have to manually change all the rankings
    above the track in both the wrong and correct year lists?

    That plus I also have to change the 2 playlists of the lists.

    for anyone interested, this web page will number any list you give it:

    https://gillmeister-software.com/online-tools/text/numbering-lines.aspx

    and you can specify what comes between each number and list item,
    for example " ", and there are formatting options for the generated
    number

    and there's a 'Copy {output} to clipboard' button

    I think this means you would keep just two copies of each list,
    one with numbers (e.g. rankings) and a corresponding list without numbers >ready for changing at any time...

    So how do you start out by getting corresponding lists without leading
    ranking numbers?

    Easy, go to https://alphabetizer.flap.tv/remove-numbers-from-beginning-of-each-line.php

    I entered a list recently posted by Bruce:

    1 Hang Up My Rock And Roll Shoes Chuck Willis
    2 Drip Drop Drifters
    3 Got A Job Miracles
    ...

    and got

    Hang Up My Rock And Roll Shoes Chuck Willis
    Drip Drop Drifters
    Got A Job Miracles

    this list is now ready for editing, and then re-numbering at https://gillmeister-software.com/online-tools/text/numbering-lines.aspx

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 15 01:27:16 2024
    Nice, but it would take a long time to delete the numbers that are
    already there on my lists.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Oct 14 22:40:54 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:49:46 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 01:27:16 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Nice, but it would take a long time to delete the numbers that are
    already there on my lists.

    I posted an efficient solution before seeing this post, Bruce :-)

    It is a once only effort for each list that could change.

    Of course, rather than maintaining dual lists, you could simply,
    whenever a change needs to be made to a ranked list, first remove
    rankings from that list using https://alphabetizer.flap.tv/remove-numbers-from-beginning-of-each-line.php

    make the changes (insertions/deletions) and then put back ranking numbers
    using
    https://gillmeister-software.com/online-tools/text/numbering-lines.aspx

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 15 04:05:54 2024
    Okay, I just renumbered the 1953 thru 1958 lists. Those are the real
    long ones that I had fallen behind on doing manually.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Oct 15 03:35:31 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 2:40:54 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:49:46 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 01:27:16 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Nice, but it would take a long time to delete the numbers that are >>>already there on my lists.

    I posted an efficient solution before seeing this post, Bruce :-)

    It is a once only effort for each list that could change.

    Of course, rather than maintaining dual lists, you could simply,
    whenever a change needs to be made to a ranked list, first remove
    rankings from that list using https://alphabetizer.flap.tv/remove-numbers-from-beginning-of-each-line.php

    make the changes (insertions/deletions) and then put back ranking
    numbers
    using
    https://gillmeister-software.com/online-tools/text/numbering-lines.aspx

    That's great, thanks.

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