• John Lennon Rips Into Carole King

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 15:14:59 2025
    At a bustling 1960s New York industry party tied to the Brill Building
    scene, Carole King found herself face to face with John Lennon in a
    moment that would leave her shaken for years. The gathering, filled with
    young songwriters, producers, and rock royalty, had the typical chaotic
    energy of its time, martinis in hand, jazz and rock echoing from
    speakers, smoke curling into the air. King, then in her mid-20s and
    fresh from writing hits like "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" and "Take Good
    Care of My Baby," had always approached her craft with sincerity and
    emotional honesty. Lennon, by contrast, entered the room that night
    carrying the sharp wit and brutal sarcasm he was known for, newly
    empowered by the early explosion of "The Beatles" in the United States.
    The encounter began when a small circle formed near the bar, with voices
    rising in a lively debate about music’s role in politics. King offered a measured view, expressing concern about the emotional toll artists bear
    when trying to carry a message larger than themselves. Lennon
    interrupted with a biting remark about “pampered pop songwriters who
    think the world revolves around teenage heartbreak,” clearly aiming his
    words in her direction. The room briefly fell silent.
    King, stunned but trying to keep composure, reminded him that even
    heartbreak could be a window into something deeper, something universal.
    Lennon scoffed. “Yeah, but crying over boyfriends doesn’t start revolutions,” he quipped. The tone of his voice carried more venom than
    wit, and several guests exchanged nervous glances. The moment, brief
    though it was, hit King hard. She quietly excused herself and found a
    corner to compose herself, the sounds of the party dimming in her mind.
    She would later refer to that moment as “a strange brush with brilliance
    and cruelty at once.” Her comment came years later during a candid conversation in the pages of "Rolling Stone" in the late 1970s, when
    reflecting on the insecurities she still carried from her early career.
    King was not someone who sought conflict. In fact, her songwriting
    partnership with Gerry Goffin had always been about empathy, crafting
    lyrics that resonated with vulnerability. Lennon’s jab had exposed a different artistic worldview, one that used confrontation as a tool.
    Though King never publicly criticized Lennon beyond her recollection of
    the incident, those who knew her say it took her months to fully shake
    the emotional impact. It was not about ego, she respected Lennon’s
    talent, but rather the abruptness and public nature of his dismissal.
    One close friend, speaking anonymously in the biography "A Natural
    Woman: A Memoir," said, “That night was one of the first times Carole
    really questioned whether she belonged among the rock elite. And the
    truth is, she did. She always did. But that shook her.”
    The incident also hinted at the underlying gender tensions of the music
    scene at that time. King, even after writing dozens of chart-topping
    hits, often found herself having to defend the validity of her voice in
    rooms dominated by men. Lennon’s sarcasm that night was not just a
    personal attack, it reflected a larger cultural pattern where women’s contributions in music were often minimized or scrutinized more harshly.
    Years later, after Lennon’s death, King spoke only once more of the
    evening, during a 1995 panel hosted by "Mojo" magazine. She said, “I
    don’t think he meant to wound. But he did. And I think that’s what made
    it linger.” There was no bitterness in her voice, just reflection, proof
    that even icons carry invisible bruises from moments the world never
    sees.
    Even within a world of stage lights and standing ovations, a single
    sharp sentence can leave a mark that echoes longer than applause.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 02:08:35 2025
    On Jun 18, 2025 at 8:58:49 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

    I pasted something that was paragraphed but I did not notice that it
    came in like that..

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    It came in fine for me. But it sure doesn't read like something you wrote. Where'd you find it?


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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 01:58:49 2025
    I pasted something that was paragraphed but I did not notice that it
    came in like that..

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 04:17:20 2025
    It came into my Facebook feed.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 09:35:53 2025
    If this took place during the 1960s, Carole King was not writing any
    lyrics during that time. Gerry Goffin wrote all the lyrics and she
    wrote all the music--both of them masterfully. After their marriage and partnership ended, she began to write her own lyrics. So if Lennon was criticizing her for not writing political lyrics, he was barking up the
    wrong tree.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 15:36:11 2025
    A friend of mine came up with the comeback that Carole should have used
    when John said "pampered pop songwriters who think the world revolves
    around teenage heartbreak,"

    Carole should have said "Then why the fuck did you record "Chains?"

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