Continuing my favorites label-by-label......today LIBERTY in Hollywood
Ca

1. Twenty Flight Rock Eddie Cochran (UK single cut as per movie) - 1957
2. Deep Water Rivingtons – 1962
3. Summertime Blues Eddie Cochran - 1958
4. C’mon Everybody Eddie Cochran – 1958
5. Nervous Breakdown Eddie Cochran - 1961
6. Papa Oom Mow Mow Rivingtons – 1962
7. Pink Peg Slacks Eddie Cochran – 1962
8. Skinny Jim Eddie Cochran (piano version) – 1956
9. Make The World Go Away Timi Yuro – 1963
10. Cherry Rivingtons – 1963
11. Surf City Jan & Dean – 1963
12. Hurt Timi Yuro – 1961
13. Whats A Matter Baby (Is It Hurting You) - Timi Yuro – 1962
14. Smile Timi Yuro - 1961
15. Stockins And Shoes Eddie Cochran – 1961
16. The Night Has A Thousand Eyes Bobby Vee – 1962
17. My Little Girl Crickets – 1963
18. The Mountain’s High Dick & Deedee - 1961 *
19. Teardrops Fall Like Rain Crickets – 1963
20. Jeannie,Jeannie,Jeannie Eddie Cochran - 1958

BUBBLING UNDER

21. A Sunday Kind Of Love Jan & Dean – 1961
22. Star Dust Billy Ward & Dominoes - 1957
23. Needles And Pins Jackie De Shannon – 1963
24. Take Good Care Of My Baby Bobby Vee - 1961
25. Cry Me A River Julie London – 1955

*originally released on Lama

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

Continuing my favorites label-by-label......today LIBERTY in Hollywood
Ca

8. Skinny Jim - Eddie Cochran (piano version) – 1956

Don't think the piano version was ever on Liberty, was it?

And if it was it did not get released until after our era. I first had
it on a United Artists double LP Legendary Masters from the early 70s.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

15. Stockins And Shoes Eddie Cochran – 1961

Had this on a box set but never paid attention to it. I am quite
surprised that "Stardust" is not as good as "The Night Has 1,000 Eyes."

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:40:08 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

Continuing my favorites label-by-label......today LIBERTY in Hollywood
Ca

8. Skinny Jim - Eddie Cochran (piano version) – 1956

Don't think the piano version was ever on Liberty, was it?

And if it was it did not get released until after our era. I first had
it on a United Artists double LP Legendary Masters from the early 70s.

Certainly it was on Liberty here in UK.

I believe the first appearance of the overdubbed "Skinny Jim" was on the "Cherished Memories" LP released as Liberty LBY1109 in 1962.

It later appeared as a single here in April 1964--surely one of his best
ever double siders--"Skinny Jim"/"Nervous Breakdown" (Liberty 10151)

Obviously all release data here applies to the UK Liberty label issued
through EMI

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 14:01:19 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

15. Stockins And Shoes Eddie Cochran – 1961

Had this on a box set but never paid attention to it. I am quite
surprised that "Stardust" is not as good as "The Night Has 1,000 Eyes."

For starters the absolutely DEFINITIVE version of "Stardust" is by Nat
"King" Cole and no other version comes anywhere close---swamping even
the decent Billy Ward & Dominoes version.

OTOH "The Night Has A Thousand Eyes" is absolutely the best thing Bobby
Vee ever did

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:46:32 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 14:01:19 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

15. Stockins And Shoes Eddie Cochran – 1961

Had this on a box set but never paid attention to it. I am quite
surprised that "Stardust" is not as good as "The Night Has 1,000 Eyes."

For starters the absolutely DEFINITIVE version of "Stardust" is by Nat
"King" Cole and no other version comes anywhere close---swamping even
the decent Billy Ward & Dominoes version.

Actually the objectively definitive version would be the Artie Shaw
classic, but no vocal version surpasses the Dominoes version IMO. I know
the Cole version (it's a 5 for me) was a single over there, but stalled
at #24. They thought so little of the track here that it was not issued
as a single. At the same time that it was floundering on the British
charts Billy and the Boys were singing it live on Ed Sullivan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4fvux0PwHY

Gene Mumford is magnificent compared to the Cole lullaby version that
would put anybody to sleep.

"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes" is absolutely the best thing Bobby
Vee ever did

No it's not, but even the best thing Bobby Vee ever did is still nothing special. There is only one Bobby Vee track that rises above a 6 for me.
This one is a low 7. Shades of Buddy Holly, and with the Crickets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guao9bYNtAM

It's still not close to being a match for "Stardust" by the Dominoes.
It's just corny teenage fluff.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:31:29 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:46:32 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 14:01:19 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

15. Stockins And Shoes Eddie Cochran – 1961

Had this on a box set but never paid attention to it. I am quite
surprised that "Stardust" is not as good as "The Night Has 1,000 Eyes."

For starters the absolutely DEFINITIVE version of "Stardust" is by Nat
"King" Cole and no other version comes anywhere close---swamping even
the decent Billy Ward & Dominoes version.

Actually the objectively definitive version would be the Artie Shaw
classic,

NO IT WOULD NOT BE since I for one do not agree with that statement.
It's good yes but does not surpass the Cole (or The Dominoes either for
that matter).

but no vocal version surpasses the Dominoes version IMO.

In your opinion....of course.

OTOH my opinion (which is every single bit as valid as yours) says the
Cole version is the very best vocal version I've ever heard

I know the Cole version (it's a 5 for me) was a single over there, but stalled at #24.

Yes on 26 October 1957

They thought so little of the track here that it was not issued as a
single.

As neither was the Cole track "When I Fall In Love" also--like "Stardust"--taken from the album "Love Is The Thing" which had earlier
in 1957 been a huge #2 hit here when released as a Capitol single

At the same time that it was floundering on the British
charts Billy and the Boys were singing it live on Ed Sullivan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4fvux0PwHY

Gene Mumford is magnificent compared to the Cole lullaby version that
would put anybody to sleep.

Tho I don't agree with the silly Cole description,that Dominoes clip
from the Sullivan show (sadly never shown over here) is excellent

"The Night Has A Thousand Eyes" is absolutely the best thing Bobby
Vee ever did

No it's not, but even the best thing Bobby Vee ever did is still nothing special. There is only one Bobby Vee track that rises above a 6 for me.
This one is a low 7. Shades of Buddy Holly, and with the Crickets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guao9bYNtAM

It's ok I guess but it's not even the best thing on his LP with the
Crickets.

That of course would be the track I mentioned "Someday (When I'm Gone
From You)" that I was pleased to see Liberty agree with me by making it
the flip of his newest hit single.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:48:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:31:29 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Actually the objectively definitive version would be the Artie Shaw
classic,

NO IT WOULD NOT BE since I for one do not agree with that statement.

"Objectively definitive version" means the version that most of the
world (living and dead) would say was the definitive version. No one
person's opinion has any relevance to picking the "objectively
definitive version."

What YOU agree with is subjective, not objective.

The highest ranking version on acclaimedmusic.net is the Artie Shaw
which is about 600 slots above the Cole version.

In Billboard's poll of DJs in 1956 "Star Dust" by Artie Shaw was voted
as the greatest record of all time. #4 was the Glenn Miller version and
#22 was the Tommy Dorsey version. The Cole was not out until the
following year, but no way it would ever be voted as the greatest record
of all time.

If someone asked you to ascertain which version of "Star Dust" was
considered to be the greatest version you'd have to say the Artie Shaw
version based on the above FACTS.

My favorite version of "Money" is by the Kingsmen, but I would never
have the audacity to declare it as the "definitive version" of the song.
Same story with lots of songs. My favorite version of "Old McDonald" is
by the Five Keys, but I would never even suggest that it was definitive.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 7:39:18 +0000, Roger wrote:

Here's what the list would look like minus the surfeit of Eddie Cochran

1. Deep Water Rivingtons – 1962
2. Papa Oom Mow Mow Rivingtons – 1962
3. Make The World Go Away Timi Yuro – 1963
4. Cherry Rivingtons – 1963
5. Surf City Jan & Dean – 1963
6. Hurt Timi Yuro – 1961
7. Whats A Matter Baby (Is It Hurting You) Timi Yuro – 1962
8. Smile Timi Yuro - 1961
9. The Night Has A Thousand Eyes Bobby Vee – 1962
10. My Little Girl Crickets – 1963
11. The Mountain’s High Dick & Deedee - 1961 *
12. Teardrops Fall Like Rain Crickets – 1963
13. A Sunday Kind Of Love Jan & Dean – 1961
14. Star Dust Billy Ward & Dominoes - 1957
15. Needles And Pins Jackie De Shannon – 1963
16. Take Good Care Of My Baby Bobby Vee - 1961
17. Cry Me A River Julie London – 1955
18. I Apologize Timi Yuro – 1961
19. Suzie Baby Bobby Vee & Shadows – 1959 **
20. Someday Bobby Vee & The Crickets - 1962

BUBBLING UNDER

21. You’re Sixteen Johnny Burnette – 1960
22. My Reward Rivingtons – 1962
23. This Time Troy Shondell - 1961***
24. Don’t Ever Change Crickets – 1962
25. Surfers Stomp Mar-Kets - 1961****

*originally released on Lama
**originally released on Soma
***originally released Goldcrest (copies on Gaye not same recording) ****originally released on Union

Regarding Liberty subsidary label Dolton only two records would even be
in contention for this list---both by The Ventures "Walk Don't Run" and "Perfidia" (both 1960)

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Picking the Artie Shaw is OBJECTIVE for you and me, meaning OUR personal
taste is not involved. We are simply researching which version has the
best credentials to be picked as the definitive version.

Suppose you had no interest in music but were an assistant to an
executive who assigned you to find out which version of "Star Dust" was considered by most to be the definitive version?

Would you...

A - Start listening to every version you could find to pick one that YOU thought was best?

B - Study up on which version is considered to be the definitive version
of the song by the general public.

The Shaw is in the Grammy Hall of Fame, the Cole is not. The Shaw was a
major hit selling over a million copies in the USA. The Cole was an
album track that was never very popular in the mainstream. The Shaw is
the most critically acclaimed version and has ben since its release in
1940. The Shaw was voted the greatest record of all time in a 1956 poll
of disc jockeys. The Cole is Roger Ford's favorite version.

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 0:00:22 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:48:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:31:29 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Actually the objectively definitive version would be the Artie Shaw
classic,

NO IT WOULD NOT BE since I for one do not agree with that statement.

"Objectively definitive version" means the version that most of the
world (living and dead) would say was the definitive version.

That's right and when you get thru asking them all let me know 😊

In the meantime the results of the poll you refer to isn't objective
either.
It's just what admittedly a lot of people say in a poll.

But still a VERY FAR cry from "most of the world (living and dead)"

And thus still SUBJECTIVE

No one person's opinion has any relevance to picking the "objectively definitive version."

What YOU agree with is subjective, not objective.

As is exactly the same case with your opinion

The highest ranking version on acclaimedmusic.net is the Artie Shaw
which is about 600 slots above the Cole version.

Still subjective (albeit by a crowd of folk) but still not objective

In Billboard's poll of DJs in 1956 "Star Dust" by Artie Shaw was voted
as the greatest record of all time. #4 was the Glenn Miller version and
#22 was the Tommy Dorsey version. The Cole was not out until the
following year, but no way it would ever be voted as the greatest record
of all time.

Still subjective (albeit by a crowd of folk) but still not objective

If someone asked you to ascertain which version of "Star Dust" was
considered to be the greatest version you'd have to say the Artie Shaw version based on the above FACTS.

No,I'd say that in a poll the Artie Shaw was voted #1 but that I for one
don't agree with that still unobjective result

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Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy
the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was
her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming
you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:45:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy
the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was
her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming
you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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Get over it for fucksake!!

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:08:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

The Cole is Roger Ford's favorite version.

Get over it for fucksake!!

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 17:25:00 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:45:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy
the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was
her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming
you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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Get over it for fucksake!!

I'm trying to get you to understand the difference between "definitive"
and someone's personal taste. I guess you just can't or won't see the difference. Okay.

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Here are some of Geoff's Liberty faves not mentioned by Roger:

Cliff Gleaves - Long Black Hearse - 1960
Dick Banks - Dirty Dog {Elvis Sounding} - 1958
Eddie Cochran - Don't Ever Let Me Go - 1958
Eddie Cochran - Sittin' In The Balcony - 1957
Gene Mcdaniels - A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - 1961
Julie London - Blue Moon - 1958
Martin Denny - Quiet Village - 1958
The Imperials - Glory Of Love - 1958

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:25:23 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 17:25:00 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:45:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy >>> the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was
her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming
you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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Get over it for fucksake!!

I'm trying to get you to understand the difference between "definitive"
and someone's personal taste. I guess you just can't or won't see the difference. Okay.

There is no real "definitive"

Yes,I can see how the Artie Shaw version was hailed by a lot of deejays
and professional music people.

But in sales terms Artie Shaw's version was #6 in 1941 but the earlier
Isham jones version in 1931 was a #1 Billboard hit. Tho I like the song
in later versions neither version here does anything for me as neither
does the Hoagy Carmichael original

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 7:00:03 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:25:23 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 17:25:00 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:45:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy >>>> the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was >>>> her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming >>>> you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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Get over it for fucksake!!

I'm trying to get you to understand the difference between "definitive"
and someone's personal taste. I guess you just can't or won't see the
difference. Okay.

There is no real "definitive"

Yes,I can see how the Artie Shaw version was hailed by a lot of deejays
and professional music people.

But in sales terms Artie Shaw's version was #6 in 1941 but the earlier
Isham jones version in 1931 was a #1 Billboard hit. Tho I like the song
in later versions neither version here does anything for me as neither
does the Hoagy Carmichael original

Any charts before 1940 are fabricated by Whitburn, so the Isham Jones at
#1 is at best a guess. And the Pop Memories book has the Shaw at #2,
meaning it peaked at #2 on one of the charts, sales, airplay, or jukebox
play.

If you had to pick one version as the top version throughout history all
the evidence points to the Shaw as the clearly top version. That's why I
have it as the #32 recording of all time on this list:

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs_1000_popular_1-500-x.html

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:25:23 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 17:25:00 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:45:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Roger, if someone came in your store in 1969 and said they wanted to buy >>> the song Stardust for their mother who was then 45 years old and it was
her favorite song, which version would you recommend for him, assuming
you had the Shaw and the Cole both on 45 reissues?

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Get over it for fucksake!!

I'm trying to get you to understand the difference between "definitive"
and someone's personal taste. I guess you just can't or won't see the difference. Okay.

But it ISN'T definitive.....It's just what a bunch of people voted "the definitive version" many years ago.So it can't be called a "current
assessment" so really it is kinda worthless today (and even back in
1969) no?

Now let's take the lady in Moondog's in 1971 (the year we opened---there
was no Moondog's in 1969). For starters we'd never stock the Artie Shaw
nor the Nat Cole versions so I'd go with the Dominoes version or if the
lady liked more then-modern things how about the Nino Tempo & April
Stevens version?

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