• 71 years ago today....

    From Steve Mc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 07:48:57 2025
    a. Goodness gracious
    b. My heart says Go Go
    c. "Hell, that's different"
    d. Feelin' the music from head to toe
    e. Rave On
    f. Go Cat Go
    g. Let's All Get Dixie Fried
    h. Keeps me grinin' from ear to ear
    i. Ooh, My Soul


    And for good measure....

    Peter Guralnick, from the liner notes on Sunrise:


    "If Elvis Presley had never made another record after his last Sun session
    in the fall of 1955, there seems to be little question that his music would have achieved much the same mythic status as Robert Johnson's blues. The
    body of his work at Sun is so transcendent, so fresh, and so original that
    even today you can scarcely listen to it in relation  to anything but
    itself. Like all great art its sources may be obvious, but it's overall
    impact defies explanation."

    --

    Steve Mc

    DNA to SBC to respond

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Steve Mc on Sat Jul 5 15:44:37 2025
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:48:57 +0000, Steve Mc wrote:


    a. Goodness gracious
    b. My heart says Go Go
    c. "Hell, that's different"
    d. Feelin' the music from head to toe
    e. Rave On
    f. Go Cat Go
    g. Let's All Get Dixie Fried
    h. Keeps me grinin' from ear to ear
    i. Ooh, My Soul


    And for good measure....

    Peter Guralnick, from the liner notes on Sunrise:


    "If Elvis Presley had never made another record after his last Sun
    session
    in the fall of 1955, there seems to be little question that his music
    would
    have achieved much the same mythic status as Robert Johnson's blues. The
    body of his work at Sun is so transcendent, so fresh, and so original
    that
    even today you can scarcely listen to it in relation  to anything but itself. Like all great art its sources may be obvious, but it's overall impact defies explanation."

    Original? Most of the songs are remakes.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Jul 5 14:19:23 2025
    On 7/5/2025 11:44 AM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:48:57 +0000, Steve Mc wrote:


    a. Goodness gracious
    b. My heart says Go Go
    c. "Hell, that's different"
    d. Feelin' the music from head to toe
    e. Rave On
    f. Go Cat Go
    g. Let's All Get Dixie Fried
    h. Keeps me grinin' from ear to ear
    i. Ooh, My Soul


    And for good measure....

    Peter Guralnick, from the liner notes on Sunrise:


    "If Elvis Presley had never made another record after his last Sun
    session
    in the fall of 1955, there seems to be little question that his music
    would
    have achieved much the same mythic status as Robert Johnson's blues. The
    body of his work at Sun is so transcendent, so fresh, and so original
    that
    even today you can scarcely listen to it in relation  to anything but
    itself. Like all great art its sources may be obvious, but it's overall
    impact defies explanation."

    Original? Most of the songs are remakes.


    ------------
    But what he did with them ("Blue Moon Of Kentucky" is a perfect example)
    was original. If you read the sentence carefully, it says his *work*
    was original. Elvis's *work* never included songwriting, so clearly
    Guralnick is talking about what he did with the material, not the
    material itself. At least, that's what I thought I read. --

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Jul 5 18:47:33 2025
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 18:19:23 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 7/5/2025 11:44 AM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:48:57 +0000, Steve Mc wrote:


    a. Goodness gracious
    b. My heart says Go Go
    c. "Hell, that's different"
    d. Feelin' the music from head to toe
    e. Rave On
    f. Go Cat Go
    g. Let's All Get Dixie Fried
    h. Keeps me grinin' from ear to ear
    i. Ooh, My Soul


    And for good measure....

    Peter Guralnick, from the liner notes on Sunrise:


    "If Elvis Presley had never made another record after his last Sun
    session
    in the fall of 1955, there seems to be little question that his music
    would
    have achieved much the same mythic status as Robert Johnson's blues. The >>> body of his work at Sun is so transcendent, so fresh, and so original
    that
    even today you can scarcely listen to it in relation  to anything but
    itself. Like all great art its sources may be obvious, but it's overall
    impact defies explanation."

    Original? Most of the songs are remakes.


    ------------
    But what he did with them ("Blue Moon Of Kentucky" is a perfect example)
    was original. If you read the sentence carefully, it says his *work*
    was original. Elvis's *work* never included songwriting, so clearly Guralnick is talking about what he did with the material, not the
    material itself. At least, that's what I thought I read. --

    But several of the other remakes did not sound a lot different than the original versions. "That's All Right" is not much different than the
    Crudup. Not on Sun, but "My Baby Left Me" is a straight copy of the
    Crudup, and Arthur's version is better IMO. I agree that Elvis on Sun
    stands alone as a fabulous group of recordings that have a certain
    unique sound, including unissued things like "Just Because" and "Blue
    Moon." But I don't see them as being all that original. The earlier Bill
    Haley things on Essex already had that bass sound that Bill Black was
    playing. Elvis was just a much better vocalist that Haley.

    I also don't agree so much with the "mythic status" theory, given that 2
    of the 5 singles made the National Country charts, one of them at #1 in
    a very long time on the charts. They were a lot better known in their
    time than the RJ things were in their time. One of the biggest thing in
    making the RJ things mythic was all the time that passed before they
    were rediscovered, over 20 years. If Elvis had died before he recorded
    for RCA those records would have been well known before the 50s were
    out. Like the way that the unissued and lesser known Hank Williams and
    Johnny Ace things became well known.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Jul 6 17:41:59 2025
    On 7/5/2025 2:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 18:19:23 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 7/5/2025 11:44 AM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:48:57 +0000, Steve Mc wrote:


    a. Goodness gracious
    b. My heart says Go Go
    c. "Hell, that's different"
    d. Feelin' the music from head to toe
    e. Rave On
    f. Go Cat Go
    g. Let's All Get Dixie Fried
    h. Keeps me grinin' from ear to ear
    i. Ooh, My Soul


    And for good measure....

    Peter Guralnick, from the liner notes on Sunrise:


    "If Elvis Presley had never made another record after his last Sun
    session
    in the fall of 1955, there seems to be little question that his music
    would
    have achieved much the same mythic status as Robert Johnson's blues.
    The
    body of his work at Sun is so transcendent, so fresh, and so original
    that
    even today you can scarcely listen to it in relation  to anything but >>>> itself. Like all great art its sources may be obvious, but it's overall >>>> impact defies explanation."

    Original? Most of the songs are remakes.


    ------------
    But what he did with them ("Blue Moon Of Kentucky" is a perfect example)
    was original.  If you read the sentence carefully, it says his *work*
    was original.  Elvis's *work* never included songwriting, so clearly
    Guralnick is talking about what he did with the material, not the
    material itself.  At least, that's what I thought I read. --

    But several of the other remakes did not sound a lot different than the original versions. "That's All Right" is not much different than the
    Crudup. Not on Sun, but "My Baby Left Me" is a straight copy of the
    Crudup, and Arthur's version is better IMO. I agree that Elvis on Sun
    stands alone as a fabulous group of recordings that have a certain
    unique sound, including unissued things like "Just Because" and "Blue
    Moon." But I don't see them as being all that original. The earlier Bill Haley things on Essex already had that bass sound that Bill Black was playing. Elvis was just a much better vocalist that Haley.

    I also don't agree so much with the "mythic status" theory, given that 2
    of the 5 singles made the National Country charts, one of them at #1 in
    a very long time on the charts. They were a lot better known in their
    time than the RJ things were in their time. One of the biggest thing in making the RJ things mythic was all the time that passed before they
    were rediscovered, over 20 years. If Elvis had died before he recorded
    for RCA those records would have been well known before the 50s were
    out. Like the way that the unissued and lesser known Hank Williams and
    Johnny Ace things became well known.

    -----------
    The other thing is that Robert Johnson *did* write songs, and he was a
    much better guitarist than Elvis. We'll never know how they matched up
    in the charisma department since there's no film of Johnson's live performances.

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