• OT? - More Votes Lost

    From George Anthony@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 10:40:50 2024
    There go some more "brother" votes. I don't smoke myself... or anything
    else for that matter but I know many who do smoke these.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-close-finalizing-menthol-cigarette-regulations-despite-broad-opposition

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bfh@21:1/5 to George Anthony on Thu Apr 4 13:03:18 2024
    George Anthony wrote:
    There go some more "brother" votes. I don't smoke myself... or
    anything else for that matter but I know many who do smoke these.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-close-finalizing-menthol-cigarette-regulations-despite-broad-opposition

    Hey. I have a DEI complaint. If this ban is going to
    disproportionately affect minorities, why have they got a picture of a
    PNOC (person not of color) smoking? Somebody needs to hold somebody
    accountable for this systemic media racism, and it needs to be done
    before the end of the day goes too much more forward.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Apr 4 16:53:27 2024
    On 4/4/2024 12:03 PM, bfh wrote:
    George Anthony wrote:
    There go some more "brother" votes. I don't smoke myself... or
    anything else for that matter but I know many who do smoke these.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-close-finalizing-menthol-cigarette-regulations-despite-broad-opposition
    Hey. I have a DEI complaint. If this ban is going to disproportionately affect minorities, why have they got a picture of a PNOC (person not of color) smoking? Somebody needs to hold somebody accountable for this
    systemic media racism, and it needs to be done before the end of the day
    goes too much more forward.


    It's all about the optics. This way it doesn't look racist. If the party
    of the KKK can pull it off, it should be easy to mislead on cigarette
    racism.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Apr 4 19:43:07 2024
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    In article <q3BPN.620122$c3Ea.537684@fx10.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...

    George Anthony wrote:
    There go some more "brother" votes. I don't smoke myself... or
    anything else for that matter but I know many who do smoke these.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-close-finalizing-menthol-cigarette-regulations-despite-broad-opposition

    Hey. I have a DEI complaint. If this ban is going to
    disproportionately affect minorities, why have they got a picture of a
    PNOC (person not of color) smoking? Somebody needs to hold somebody
    accountable for this systemic media racism, and it needs to be done
    before the end of the day goes too much more forward.

    "Menthol cigarettes are a leading cause of death among Black Americans;
    81 percent of Black smokers use menthols, compared to 34 percent of
    white smokers. And there's a reason for that, says Keith Wailoo, author
    of the book "Pushing Cool: Big Tobacco, Racial Marketing, and the Untold Story of the Menthol Cigarette.""

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-menthol-cigarettes-have- disproportionately-affected-black-americans#:~:text=Menthol% 20cigarettes%20are%20a%20leading,Story%20of%20the%20Menthol%
    20Cigarette.%22

    "One group that did meet with the administration was the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, or NOBLE. Alongside
    the organization?s executive director at the session was a former
    lawmaker turned lobbyist for the cigarette company Altria, which is also
    one of the sponsors of NOBLE.

    Two other organizations that have received funding from the tobacco
    industry were in attendance, as well: the Rev. Al Sharpton?s National
    Action Network and the National Newspaper Publishers Association. Two
    dozen Biden administration officials, including US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf and US Secretary of Health
    and Human Services Xavier Becerra, were also on the roster.

    The tobacco industry has been working to align itself with African
    American advocacy groups in a bid to resist further regulation. Among
    its arguments against a ban is that it would criminalize the flavor of cigarettes preferred by Black smokers, leading to an underground market
    on the goods. It points to the police killing of Eric Garner, a Black
    man accused of selling loose cigarettes, as one example of a petty crime
    that escalated into a fatality, a position that is also supported by the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Many other African American advocacy organizations have long fought for
    a ban on menthol cigarettes, however, because of their heavy impact on
    Black lives.

    ?African Americans suffer disproportionately from being addicted to cigarettes and the effects of long-term tobacco use. It seems only
    correct in making the next step in the interest of the Black community
    to ban menthol ? the last allowable flavor which is and has always been
    known as the flavor that African Americans have preferred and highly utilized,? the NAACP says in a statement supporting the menthol ban on
    its website."

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/health/menthol-cigarette-ban-
    delay/index.html

    It would be incredibly easy to mentholate a regular cigarette. All
    the smoker would have to do is paint a small strip of menthol in
    solution lenghtwise on their cigarette. You could do it with a finger
    tip. Once they learned how to adjust the amount of menthol these
    cigarettes would be indistinguishable from factory made. It only takes a
    tiny bit of menthol.

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=menthol&ref=nb_sb_noss

    Amazon has the book too: "Pushing Cool: Big Tobacco, Racial
    Marketing, and the Untold Story of the Menthol Cigarette Hardcover ?
    November 2, 2021"

    My parents smoked Salem brand menthol cigarettes for many years.

    I smoked a pack of Kools once, because I wanted to be. It didn't work,
    so I went back to Luckys, and I continued to be.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Apr 5 14:11:54 2024
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
    In article <q3BPN.620122$c3Ea.537684@fx10.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...

    George Anthony wrote:
    There go some more "brother" votes. I don't smoke myself... or
    anything else for that matter but I know many who do smoke these.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-white-house-close-finalizing-menthol-cigarette-regulations-despite-broad-opposition


    Hey. I have a DEI complaint. If this ban is going to
    disproportionately affect minorities, why have they got a picture of a
    PNOC (person not of color) smoking? Somebody needs to hold somebody
    accountable for this systemic media racism, and it needs to be done
    before the end of the day goes too much more forward.

    "Menthol cigarettes are a leading cause of death among Black Americans;
    81 percent of Black smokers use menthols, compared to 34 percent of
    white smokers. And there's a reason for that, says Keith Wailoo, author
    of the book "Pushing Cool: Big Tobacco, Racial Marketing, and the Untold Story of the Menthol Cigarette.""

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-menthol-cigarettes-have- disproportionately-affected-black-americans#:~:text=Menthol% 20cigarettes%20are%20a%20leading,Story%20of%20the%20Menthol%
    20Cigarette.%22

    "One group that did meet with the administration was the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, or NOBLE. Alongside
    the organization?s executive director at the session was a former
    lawmaker turned lobbyist for the cigarette company Altria, which is also
    one of the sponsors of NOBLE.

    Two other organizations that have received funding from the tobacco
    industry were in attendance, as well: the Rev. Al Sharpton?s National
    Action Network and the National Newspaper Publishers Association. Two
    dozen Biden administration officials, including US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf and US Secretary of Health
    and Human Services Xavier Becerra, were also on the roster.

    The tobacco industry has been working to align itself with African
    American advocacy groups in a bid to resist further regulation. Among
    its arguments against a ban is that it would criminalize the flavor of cigarettes preferred by Black smokers, leading to an underground market
    on the goods. It points to the police killing of Eric Garner, a Black
    man accused of selling loose cigarettes, as one example of a petty crime
    that escalated into a fatality, a position that is also supported by the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Many other African American advocacy organizations have long fought for
    a ban on menthol cigarettes, however, because of their heavy impact on
    Black lives.

    ?African Americans suffer disproportionately from being addicted to cigarettes and the effects of long-term tobacco use. It seems only
    correct in making the next step in the interest of the Black community
    to ban menthol ? the last allowable flavor which is and has always been
    known as the flavor that African Americans have preferred and highly utilized,? the NAACP says in a statement supporting the menthol ban on
    its website."

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/health/menthol-cigarette-ban-
    delay/index.html

    It would be incredibly easy to mentholate a regular cigarette. All
    the smoker would have to do is paint a small strip of menthol in
    solution lenghtwise on their cigarette. You could do it with a finger
    tip. Once they learned how to adjust the amount of menthol these
    cigarettes would be indistinguishable from factory made. It only takes a
    tiny bit of menthol.

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=menthol&ref=nb_sb_noss

    Amazon has the book too: "Pushing Cool: Big Tobacco, Racial
    Marketing, and the Untold Story of the Menthol Cigarette Hardcover ?
    November 2, 2021"

    My parents smoked Salem brand menthol cigarettes for many years.

    TB


    People who smoke any kind of cigarette know what they are in for… even normally clueless democrats. I couldn’t care less if there was never
    another cigarette made but this is the first step toward banning all
    tobacco products. Except marijuana. I know it’s not tobacco but that would cost democrats votes. I mean you have to be stoned to vote for a democrat.

    --
    If you are better off today than you were three years ago, you are probably
    an illegal alien.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)