Got back from the Porkies and have to say it's a wonderful place. The
whole UP is just one big beautiful forest and small lake after lake.
Keep going and you run into Lake Superior, which I have to say was
warmer than I expected. Probably about 60F, which for Superior is
pretty good.
We stayed at the Union Bay Campground which is in the Porcupine
Mountains Wilderness Area State Park. The place was pretty busy and we
got lucky and got a good spot, not right on the lake but close enough. Electric hookups were fine. Water was close if you needed some, but you
had to carry it as it would not take a hose hookup. Had plenty of clean bathroom facilities and showers, though I didn't use them. They did
have a dump station. There is a boat ramp right on the grounds if
that's your thing, but we only saw one power boat. Mostly people were kayaking.
As usual, we were interested in hiking. First day we did 14.2 miles
from the campground to the end of the Escarpment trail which runs the
ridge above the Lake of the Clouds and back. 1632 feet of ascent during
the hike and I was pretty spent after that day. It's tough keeping up
with a younger wife sometimes. We got rained on with no where to
escape, but it actually felt good because it was so hot. The bugs were
out as expected in the forested parts of the wilderness, but once you
got up on the ridge the wind was blowing pretty good at about 15-20 mph
so it kept them off you mostly. The campground was another story. The biting flies were pretty nasty. Better than it is up there is June or
July, but if you're not prepared for them it can ruin your trip. It was 10-15 degrees warmer than usual up there with temps in the mid 80's and humid. The lake felt good after a long sweaty hike!
Here's a gallery with a few images:
<https://postimg.cc/gallery/TTkP43J>
The people we met were all very nice and friendly. Seemed everyone was taking advantage of the unusual weather trying to get in as much camping
as possible.
Oh, and the little Weber Q grill works great. Super easy to control and cook on, and not a big gas hog.
Got back from the Porkies and have to say it's a wonderful
place. The whole UP is just one big beautiful forest and small
lake after lake. Keep going and you run into Lake Superior,
which I have to say was warmer than I expected. Probably about
60F, which for Superior is pretty good.
We stayed at the Union Bay Campground which is in the Porcupine
Mountains Wilderness Area State Park. The place was pretty
busy and we got lucky and got a good spot, not right on the
lake but close enough. Electric hookups were fine. Water was
close if you needed some, but you had to carry it as it would
not take a hose hookup. Had plenty of clean bathroom
facilities and showers, though I didn't use them. They did
have a dump station. There is a boat ramp right on the grounds
if that's your thing, but we only saw one power boat. Mostly
people were kayaking.
As usual, we were interested in hiking. First day we did 14.2
miles from the campground to the end of the Escarpment trail
which runs the ridge above the Lake of the Clouds and back.
1632 feet of ascent during the hike and I was pretty spent
after that day. It's tough keeping up with a younger wife
sometimes. We got rained on with no where to escape, but it
actually felt good because it was so hot. The bugs were out as
expected in the forested parts of the wilderness, but once you
got up on the ridge the wind was blowing pretty good at about
15-20 mph so it kept them off you mostly. The campground was
another story. The biting flies were pretty nasty. Better
than it is up there is June or July, but if you're not prepared
for them it can ruin your trip. It was 10-15 degrees warmer
than usual up there with temps in the mid 80's and humid. The
lake felt good after a long sweaty hike!
Here's a gallery with a few images:
<https://postimg.cc/gallery/TTkP43J>
The people we met were all very nice and friendly. Seemed
everyone was taking advantage of the unusual weather trying to
get in as much camping as possible.
Oh, and the little Weber Q grill works great. Super easy to
control and cook on, and not a big gas hog.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 16:20:12 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
Got back from the Porkies and have to say it's a wonderful
place. The whole UP is just one big beautiful forest and small
lake after lake. Keep going and you run into Lake Superior,
which I have to say was warmer than I expected. Probably about
60F, which for Superior is pretty good.
We stayed at the Union Bay Campground which is in the Porcupine
Mountains Wilderness Area State Park. The place was pretty
busy and we got lucky and got a good spot, not right on the
lake but close enough. Electric hookups were fine. Water was
close if you needed some, but you had to carry it as it would
not take a hose hookup. Had plenty of clean bathroom
facilities and showers, though I didn't use them. They did
have a dump station. There is a boat ramp right on the grounds
if that's your thing, but we only saw one power boat. Mostly
people were kayaking.
As usual, we were interested in hiking. First day we did 14.2
miles from the campground to the end of the Escarpment trail
which runs the ridge above the Lake of the Clouds and back.
1632 feet of ascent during the hike and I was pretty spent
after that day. It's tough keeping up with a younger wife
sometimes. We got rained on with no where to escape, but it
actually felt good because it was so hot. The bugs were out as
expected in the forested parts of the wilderness, but once you
got up on the ridge the wind was blowing pretty good at about
15-20 mph so it kept them off you mostly. The campground was
another story. The biting flies were pretty nasty. Better
than it is up there is June or July, but if you're not prepared
for them it can ruin your trip. It was 10-15 degrees warmer
than usual up there with temps in the mid 80's and humid. The
lake felt good after a long sweaty hike!
Here's a gallery with a few images:
<https://postimg.cc/gallery/TTkP43J>
The people we met were all very nice and friendly. Seemed
everyone was taking advantage of the unusual weather trying to
get in as much camping as possible.
Oh, and the little Weber Q grill works great. Super easy to
control and cook on, and not a big gas hog.
Thanks for the greart report, I enjoyed it!
Also, you guys are more robust hikers than we are. After about
five miles I start to wear down. At 68 (soon 69), I'm not all
that old, either.
On 9/15/2024 6:43 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 16:20:12 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
Got back from the Porkies and have to say it's a wonderful
place. The whole UP is just one big beautiful forest and small
lake after lake. Keep going and you run into Lake Superior,
which I have to say was warmer than I expected. Probably about
60F, which for Superior is pretty good.
We stayed at the Union Bay Campground which is in the Porcupine
Mountains Wilderness Area State Park. The place was pretty
busy and we got lucky and got a good spot, not right on the
lake but close enough. Electric hookups were fine. Water was
close if you needed some, but you had to carry it as it would
not take a hose hookup. Had plenty of clean bathroom
facilities and showers, though I didn't use them. They did
have a dump station. There is a boat ramp right on the grounds
if that's your thing, but we only saw one power boat. Mostly
people were kayaking.
As usual, we were interested in hiking. First day we did 14.2
miles from the campground to the end of the Escarpment trail
which runs the ridge above the Lake of the Clouds and back.
1632 feet of ascent during the hike and I was pretty spent
after that day. It's tough keeping up with a younger wife
sometimes. We got rained on with no where to escape, but it
actually felt good because it was so hot. The bugs were out as
expected in the forested parts of the wilderness, but once you
got up on the ridge the wind was blowing pretty good at about
15-20 mph so it kept them off you mostly. The campground was
another story. The biting flies were pretty nasty. Better
than it is up there is June or July, but if you're not prepared
for them it can ruin your trip. It was 10-15 degrees warmer
than usual up there with temps in the mid 80's and humid. The
lake felt good after a long sweaty hike!
Here's a gallery with a few images:
<https://postimg.cc/gallery/TTkP43J>
The people we met were all very nice and friendly. Seemed
everyone was taking advantage of the unusual weather trying to
get in as much camping as possible.
Oh, and the little Weber Q grill works great. Super easy to
control and cook on, and not a big gas hog.
Thanks for the greart report, I enjoyed it!
Also, you guys are more robust hikers than we are. After about
five miles I start to wear down. At 68 (soon 69), I'm not all
that old, either.
Well, I'm nearing 78 and five miles are like one hundred for me. I broke bones in both feet several years ago and I'm lucky I can still walk. I
am grateful for that of course.
On 9/15/2024 6:48 PM, George Anthony wrote:
On 9/15/2024 6:43 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 16:20:12 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
As usual, we were interested in hiking. First day we did
14.2 miles from the campground to the end of the Escarpment
trail...
...you guys are more robust hikers than we are. After about
five miles I start to wear down. At 68 (soon 69), I'm not
all that old, either.
I'm 65, though I can't hardly believe it sometimes, and I have
to admit to myself things are getting more difficult. I do try
and stay in shape by going to the gym regularly and hiking the
nearby trail or using the treadmill. I always used to lead the
hikes we do together, but to be honest I just can't keep up
with my wife at her pace. She coddles me fortunately, but it
is embarrassing. Most of it is due to joint issues.
I already have a fake hip and shoulder. One knee and the
other hip are always nagging me. Going up ascents they get
sore and begin getting the inflammation. Coming down one would
think to be easy, but often it is just as difficult because of
the pain in the knees. I'm going to start by having the ortho
people look at the knee and go from there.
Well, I'm nearing 78 and five miles are like one hundred for
me. I broke bones in both feet several years ago and I'm lucky
I can still walk. I am grateful for that of course.
Sorry to hear that. At 78, you still got a great attitude!
If I make it that long, I'll do what I can and be thankful I'm
still above ground.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:45:07 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
Yeah, the downhills are harder on the joints for my money. Seems
higher impact. I tend to start feeling it in my hips. You might
be interested in this type of thing...
https://advancedregenmed.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/RBT-Chart-Review-2020.pdf
My wife has degenerative arthritis in one ankle, and injections of
this stuff have greatly alleviated pain for her.
By the way, we are both in decent cardiovascular health--cycling
on the order of thousands of miles each year. It's nice because
it's low impact. :)
On 9/17/2024 9:36 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
By the way, we are both in decent cardiovascular
health--cycling on the order of thousands of miles each year.
It's nice because it's low impact. :)
I bike a lot too. We're going to put them on a rack at the
back of the Bronco once I get the TOAD setup on. Some places
are good for biking, some for hiking. I don't have the hitch
rack yet, but I'm gonna get one soon. Can use it now on the
View and it would help getting around without a vehicle for
sure.
I bike a lot too. We're going to put them on a rack at theThe Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it can be
back of the Bronco once I get the TOAD setup on. Some places
are good for biking, some for hiking. I don't have the hitch
rack yet, but I'm gonna get one soon. Can use it now on the
View and it would help getting around without a vehicle for
sure.
taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases. For travel
with the trailer I can split three cables (two shifter one brake),
undo half of the couplers, drop off the timing chain, and then
have two halves that stack one on top of the other (with quilt
between) in the back part of our Acadia.
We also ride when we can (suitable weather, enough time, low-ish
traffic, reasonable terrain) and hike when the riding doesn't
work.
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
The Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it
can be taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases.
For travel with the trailer I can split three cables (two
shifter one brake), undo half of the couplers, drop off the
timing chain, and then have two halves that stack one on top
of the other (with quilt between) in the back part of our
Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I think
I'll just get a hitch rack.
We also ride when we can (suitable weather, enough time,
low-ish traffic, reasonable terrain) and hike when the riding
doesn't work.
We were out hiking in the back country last year down south and
east of Tucson. Very rocky and hilly place, with many small
streams to cross. A few had water, but most were dry, though
still hard to cross. Out of nowhere come about 6 or 7 younger
folks on bikes riding like crazy. I was amazed at how anyone
would want to ride in those conditions. It was pretty fun
watching them until they were out of sight. Crazy kids.
BTW, when old people say, "Enjoy them while they are young"
they are talking about your hips, knees, and ankles. Not your
kids.
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
I bike a lot too. We're going to put them on a rack at theThe Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it can be
back of the Bronco once I get the TOAD setup on. Some places
are good for biking, some for hiking. I don't have the hitch
rack yet, but I'm gonna get one soon. Can use it now on the
View and it would help getting around without a vehicle for
sure.
taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases. For travel
with the trailer I can split three cables (two shifter one brake),
undo half of the couplers, drop off the timing chain, and then
have two halves that stack one on top of the other (with quilt
between) in the back part of our Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I think I'll just
get a hitch rack.
We also ride when we can (suitable weather, enough time, low-ish
traffic, reasonable terrain) and hike when the riding doesn't
work.
We were out hiking in the back country last year down south and east of Tucson. Very rocky and hilly place, with many small streams to cross.
A few had water, but most were dry, though still hard to cross. Out of nowhere come about 6 or 7 younger folks on bikes riding like crazy. I
was amazed at how anyone would want to ride in those conditions. It was pretty fun watching them until they were out of sight. Crazy kids.
BTW, when old people say, "Enjoy them while they are young" they are
talking about your hips, knees, and ankles. Not your kids.
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:03:09 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
The Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it
can be taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases.
For travel with the trailer I can split three cables (two
shifter one brake), undo half of the couplers, drop off the
timing chain, and then have two halves that stack one on top
of the other (with quilt between) in the back part of our
Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I think
I'll just get a hitch rack.
One advantage of inside the SUV is it's out of the weather and
road grime. It also feels (maybe deceivingly so) more secure.
Both good things for a $12k bike.
BTW, when old people say, "Enjoy them while they are young"
they are talking about your hips, knees, and ankles. Not your
kids.
Okay, that made me laugh.
On 9/18/2024 1:02 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:03:09 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
The Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it
can be taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases.
For travel with the trailer I can split three cables (two
shifter one brake), undo half of the couplers, drop off the
timing chain, and then have two halves that stack one on top
of the other (with quilt between) in the back part of our
Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I
think I'll just get a hitch rack.
One advantage of inside the SUV is it's out of the weather and
road grime. It also feels (maybe deceivingly so) more secure.
Both good things for a $12k bike.
Yikes! That must be one heck of a ride. Would like to see
that if you can post a pic somewhere.
...The idea is interesting to me because we we're out
somewhere and I get older, I can use the younger bride to do
most of the work peddling. :-0
BTW, when old people say, "Enjoy them while they are young"
they are talking about your hips, knees, and ankles. Not
your kids.
Okay, that made me laugh.
I forgot to add shoulders. When you're young and you fall off
the bike, you just get back up and move on. You start getting
fake joints, you really don't want to do that anymore.
Here's a picture...
https://ridewithgps.com/more#photos/15978261
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:01:29 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/18/2024 1:02 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:03:09 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
The Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it
can be taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases.
For travel with the trailer I can split three cables (two
shifter one brake), undo half of the couplers, drop off the
timing chain, and then have two halves that stack one on top
of the other (with quilt between) in the back part of our
Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I
think I'll just get a hitch rack.
One advantage of inside the SUV is it's out of the weather and
road grime. It also feels (maybe deceivingly so) more secure.
Both good things for a $12k bike.
Yikes! That must be one heck of a ride. Would like to see
that if you can post a pic somewhere.
Yeah, it was quite the investment. The couplers were essential
because I wanted the ability to travel with it by air without any
oversize luggage handling or fees--or being unable to fly on small
regional jets. I chose titanium not for weight savings, rather
because it seemed most resistant to damage (e.g., paint chipping).
Here's a picture...
https://ridewithgps.com/more#photos/15978261
I forgot to add shoulders. When you're young and you fall off
the bike, you just get back up and move on. You start getting
fake joints, you really don't want to do that anymore.
Indeed. On the other hand, I did a topside crash in my late 40s,
and the shoulder I landed on has never been the same. So soon
old, so late wise. :-0
On 9/20/2024 8:27 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:01:29 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/18/2024 1:02 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:03:09 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/17/2024 7:52 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
The Mrs. and I ride a tandem, and it has S&S couplers so it
can be taken apart and packed into two airline legal cases.
For travel with the trailer I can split three cables (two
shifter one brake), undo half of the couplers, drop off the
timing chain, and then have two halves that stack one on top
of the other (with quilt between) in the back part of our
Acadia.
Nice system. We could just throw them in the RV, but I
think I'll just get a hitch rack.
One advantage of inside the SUV is it's out of the weather and
road grime. It also feels (maybe deceivingly so) more secure.
Both good things for a $12k bike.
Yikes! That must be one heck of a ride. Would like to see
that if you can post a pic somewhere.
Yeah, it was quite the investment. The couplers were essential
because I wanted the ability to travel with it by air without any
oversize luggage handling or fees--or being unable to fly on small regional jets. I chose titanium not for weight savings, rather
because it seemed most resistant to damage (e.g., paint chipping).
Here's a picture...
https://ridewithgps.com/more#photos/15978261
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're averaging
almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about 25 to 30 when I
ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well done.
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're averaging
almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about 25 to 30 when I
ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some serious dedication to your
health and the activity. Well done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard somewhere
that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an official Master
Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that anywhere from anybody.
On 9/20/2024 3:25 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're
averaging almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about
25 to 30 when I ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some
serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well
done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard
somewhere that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an
official Master Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum
miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that
anywhere from anybody.
Good points. And come to think of it, since there are two
people actually powering the bike, his mileage really should be
cut in half to account for it. So they're down to somewhere a
little over 16 miles each trip.
<vbg>
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:24:36 -0500,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/20/2024 3:25 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're
averaging almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about
25 to 30 when I ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some
serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well
done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard
somewhere that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an
official Master Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum
miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that
anywhere from anybody.
Good points. And come to think of it, since there are two
people actually powering the bike, his mileage really should be
cut in half to account for it. So they're down to somewhere a
little over 16 miles each trip.
<vbg>
I know you're joking, but I do have to say I work just as hard for
the miles on the tandem as on the single.
Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:24:36 -0500,We once rented a tandem while R&Ring in Hawaii in a previous life. I
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/20/2024 3:25 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're
averaging almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about
25 to 30 when I ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some
serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well
done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard
somewhere that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an
official Master Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum
miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that
anywhere from anybody.
Good points. And come to think of it, since there are two
people actually powering the bike, his mileage really should be
cut in half to account for it. So they're down to somewhere a
little over 16 miles each trip.
<vbg>
I know you're joking, but I do have to say I work just as hard for
the miles on the tandem as on the single.
worked harder on that thing than on any bike I ever pedaled anywhere
in all of my history. My wife liked it............which led me to
suspect that she wasn't doing a statistically significant part of her
part.
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:24:36 -0500,We once rented a tandem while R&Ring in Hawaii in a previous life. I
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/20/2024 3:25 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're
averaging almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about
25 to 30 when I ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some
serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well
done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard
somewhere that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an
official Master Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum
miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that
anywhere from anybody.
Good points. And come to think of it, since there are two
people actually powering the bike, his mileage really should be
cut in half to account for it. So they're down to somewhere a
little over 16 miles each trip.
<vbg>
I know you're joking, but I do have to say I work just as hard for
the miles on the tandem as on the single.
worked harder on that thing than on any bike I ever pedaled anywhere
in all of my history. My wife liked it............which led me to
suspect that she wasn't doing a statistically significant part of her
part.
A little off the biking topic but I had a similar issue when in my younger and much poorer years. I had an old beater car that broke down on me on a major hi-way. I wanted to push it to the next intersection to get it off
the main road. Two of my friends who were riding with me were helping me push. It seemed very hard going and I was really struggling. I stopped pushing for a second and the car stopped. Those bastard “friends†weren’t
even pushing. They thought it was funny but I damn sure didn’t.
George.Anthony wrote:
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:At the end of the day going forward, did you hold them accountable in
Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:24:36 -0500,We once rented a tandem while R&Ring in Hawaii in a previous life. I
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 9/20/2024 3:25 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
That's impressive, as well as your miles ridden! You're
averaging almost 32.5 miles an outing! I do like to go about
25 to 30 when I ride, but you have 799 rides! That is some
serious dedication to your health and the activity. Well
done.
Almost well done. I heard somewhere from somebody who heard
somewhere that 800 rides is the minimum required to be an
official Master Tandemist. There's probably also a minimum
miles/ride to be counted as a ride, but I didn't hear that
anywhere from anybody.
Good points. And come to think of it, since there are two
people actually powering the bike, his mileage really should be
cut in half to account for it. So they're down to somewhere a
little over 16 miles each trip.
<vbg>
I know you're joking, but I do have to say I work just as hard for
the miles on the tandem as on the single.
worked harder on that thing than on any bike I ever pedaled anywhere
in all of my history. My wife liked it............which led me to
suspect that she wasn't doing a statistically significant part of her
part.
A little off the biking topic but I had a similar issue when in my younger >> and much poorer years. I had an old beater car that broke down on me on a
major hi-way. I wanted to push it to the next intersection to get it off
the main road. Two of my friends who were riding with me were helping me
push. It seemed very hard going and I was really struggling. I stopped
pushing for a second and the car stopped. Those bastard “friends†weren’t
even pushing. They thought it was funny but I damn sure didn’t.
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