No, not that Joe. The smart one!

<https://rumble.com/v671lk1-joe-rogan-crushes-the-pretty-fcking-crazy-big-bang-theory.html>


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sticks wrote:

No, not that Joe.  The smart one!

<https://rumble.com/v671lk1-joe-rogan-crushes-the-pretty-fcking-crazy-big-bang-theory.html>

Sorta related to that, but maybe this explains why I can't ever get
caught up.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Did tomorrow already happen? Physicists claim that time is an illusion
and doesn't exist

Time feels so obvious that we rarely question its existence. Our
clocks tick, we sense the hours passing, and we connect events to a
single timeline. Yet, in many corners of theoretical physics, the very
notion of time as a forward-moving entity is under scrutiny.

“The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring
right now,” is an unsettling statement for scientists to make. --------------------------------------------------------

https://www.earth.com/news/physicists-make-bold-claims-that-time-is-an-illusion-question-its-existence/

Maybe the Big Bang hasn't happened yet..............or it's happening now?

Let me be clear. None of this stuff is even remotely clear to me,
regardless of whether Now is yesterday, today, or tomorrow. For a long
time, I thought that you could change the past if you just accepted
that today is tomorrow's yesterday. I guess I can put that one in the dumpster.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 1/9/2025 8:03 PM, bfh wrote:

sticks wrote:

No, not that Joe.  The smart one!

<https://rumble.com/v671lk1-joe-rogan-crushes-the-pretty-fcking-crazy-
big-bang-theory.html>

Sorta related to that, but maybe this explains why I can't ever get
caught up. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Did tomorrow already happen? Physicists claim that time is an illusion
and doesn't exist

Time feels so obvious that we rarely question its existence. Our clocks
tick, we sense the hours passing, and we connect events to a single
timeline. Yet, in many corners of theoretical physics, the very notion
of time as a forward-moving entity is under scrutiny.

“The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring
right now,” is an unsettling statement for scientists to make. --------------------------------------------------------

https://www.earth.com/news/physicists-make-bold-claims-that-time-is-an- illusion-question-its-existence/

Maybe the Big Bang hasn't happened yet..............or it's happening now?

Let me be clear. None of this stuff is even remotely clear to me,
regardless of whether Now is yesterday, today, or tomorrow. For a long
time, I thought that you could change the past if you just accepted that today is tomorrow's yesterday. I guess I can put that one in the dumpster.

As I think I said in our truth discussion, I had great difficulties
coming to grips with time and my understanding of it. Glad to see
you're willing to go down the rabbit hole.

As far as Rogan, I find it interesting he knows as much as he does about
the topic. He actually knew the CMB (cosmic microwave background)
exists as evidence of the big bang. He walked right up to the edge, and
then fell short of asking the next question, of which there are several.
But in this interview, the next logical question is where did the pin
head of all material and whatever caused it to go bang come from? Too
bad he didn't go there.


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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2025 8:03 PM, bfh wrote:

sticks wrote:

No, not that Joe.  The smart one!

<https://rumble.com/v671lk1-joe-rogan-crushes-the-pretty-fcking-crazy-
big-bang-theory.html>

Sorta related to that, but maybe this explains why I can't ever get
caught up.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Did tomorrow already happen? Physicists claim that time is an illusion
and doesn't exist

Time feels so obvious that we rarely question its existence. Our clocks
tick, we sense the hours passing, and we connect events to a single
timeline. Yet, in many corners of theoretical physics, the very notion
of time as a forward-moving entity is under scrutiny.

“The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring
right now,” is an unsettling statement for scientists to make.
--------------------------------------------------------

https://www.earth.com/news/physicists-make-bold-claims-that-time-is-an-
illusion-question-its-existence/

Maybe the Big Bang hasn't happened yet..............or it's happening now? >>
Let me be clear. None of this stuff is even remotely clear to me,
regardless of whether Now is yesterday, today, or tomorrow. For a long
time, I thought that you could change the past if you just accepted that
today is tomorrow's yesterday. I guess I can put that one in the dumpster. >>

As I think I said in our truth discussion, I had great difficulties
coming to grips with time and my understanding of it. Glad to see
you're willing to go down the rabbit hole.

As far as Rogan, I find it interesting he knows as much as he does about
the topic. He actually knew the CMB (cosmic microwave background)
exists as evidence of the big bang. He walked right up to the edge, and
then fell short of asking the next question, of which there are several.
But in this interview, the next logical question is where did the pin
head of all material and whatever caused it to go bang come from? Too
bad he didn't go there.

That has always been my issue, although I don’t dwell on it. I have always believed you can’t create something from nothing so how did the first something get created? Same for a superior being who, according to
theologians, has always been here. Even with my superior intellect, it
boggles the mind.

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Big bang or god - debatable but MAGA, that’s a sure bet even brainless democrats (oops, there I go with the redundancy… again) know that.

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George.Anthony wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 1/9/2025 8:03 PM, bfh wrote:

sticks wrote:

No, not that Joe.  The smart one!

<https://rumble.com/v671lk1-joe-rogan-crushes-the-pretty-fcking-crazy- >>>> big-bang-theory.html>

Sorta related to that, but maybe this explains why I can't ever get
caught up.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Did tomorrow already happen? Physicists claim that time is an illusion
and doesn't exist

Time feels so obvious that we rarely question its existence. Our clocks
tick, we sense the hours passing, and we connect events to a single
timeline. Yet, in many corners of theoretical physics, the very notion
of time as a forward-moving entity is under scrutiny.

“The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring >>> right now,” is an unsettling statement for scientists to make.
--------------------------------------------------------

https://www.earth.com/news/physicists-make-bold-claims-that-time-is-an-
illusion-question-its-existence/

Maybe the Big Bang hasn't happened yet..............or it's happening now? >>>
Let me be clear. None of this stuff is even remotely clear to me,
regardless of whether Now is yesterday, today, or tomorrow. For a long
time, I thought that you could change the past if you just accepted that >>> today is tomorrow's yesterday. I guess I can put that one in the dumpster. >>>

As I think I said in our truth discussion, I had great difficulties
coming to grips with time and my understanding of it. Glad to see
you're willing to go down the rabbit hole.

As far as Rogan, I find it interesting he knows as much as he does about
the topic. He actually knew the CMB (cosmic microwave background)
exists as evidence of the big bang. He walked right up to the edge, and
then fell short of asking the next question, of which there are several.
But in this interview, the next logical question is where did the pin
head of all material and whatever caused it to go bang come from? Too
bad he didn't go there.

That has always been my issue, although I don’t dwell on it. I have always
believed you can’t create something from nothing so how did the first something get created? Same for a superior being who, according to theologians, has always been here. Even with my superior intellect, it boggles the mind.

And there's that pinhead thing again. A pinhead is finite. Was the
unbanged Big Bang really finite? Or is 'pinhead' just a metaphor for
say, a singularity or something, so that that the hoi polloi - of
which I'm one - could sorta grasp the concept? In any case, I
understand 'finite', but I can't come even finitely close to grokking 'infinite' or 'nothing at all'.

And I still think that these conversations - whether you come from
theology or science - are an infinitely fine example of
hubris.......but they're fun............as you imply, in moderation.

At ease. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 1/10/2025 10:10 AM, George.Anthony wrote:

As far as Rogan, I find it interesting he knows as much as he does about
the topic. He actually knew the CMB (cosmic microwave background)
exists as evidence of the big bang. He walked right up to the edge, and
then fell short of asking the next question, of which there are several.
But in this interview, the next logical question is where did the pin
head of all material and whatever caused it to go bang come from? Too
bad he didn't go there.

That has always been my issue, although I don’t dwell on it. I have always believed you can’t create something from nothing so how did the first something get created? Same for a superior being who, according to theologians, has always been here. Even with my superior intellect, it boggles the mind.

I believe you are correct that both sides, the naturalists and the creationists, have to answer the question in some form. Here's how I
see it. If you follow the where did the stuff come from question to the
end (or in this case the beginning), there is not going to be an
acceptable answer for people like us, which is why the naturalists use
the brute fact that it has always been here. They will never consider
anything outside their naturalism, especially something supernatural.

The problem for me is that the scientific evidence shows information and intelligence was necessary for these things to have occurred, and thus I
am willing to look into other areas they are not. It becomes a matter
of urgency because if they are wrong and a supernatural creator does
exist, that entity must have some plan for us and why he would create
something like this. So the answer for the creationist on where God
came from is that while I can't answer that now, no one can, I have
faith that I will someday know the answer to the question. The
important part is accepting all the evidence that this didn't happen on
it's own, and moving forward now with accepting the evidence and the
next step in living with that knowledge.

Some people call this type of talk preaching. I don't. I have not
suggested any faith as the true faith. That would be pointless until
people come to grips with the fact that if you follow the question of
where the initial matter and energy from the Big Bang came from all the
way back, it is evidence of there being a creator. Simply put, the fact
that we're here is proof of God. Most people simply can't follow the
logic on that, or won't.

-- Big bang or god -

I would disagree with this choice. I think the big bang happened, and I believe there was a creator that planned it. This ties into our talk of
our understanding of time. It would be easy to say that God simply made
it all appear. But, that's not what the evidence shows. How the
initial matter, energy, and space came into existence is another thing.
I don't think it happened 13.84 million years ago, at least not as how
we understand time. But that is irrelevant and I can live with either scenario. Mortals cannot possibly understand the meaning of time to an intelligence like God.


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In article <vm0v2p$16m6r$1@dont-email.me>,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

So the answer for the creationist on where God came from
is that while I can't answer that now, no one can, I have
faith that I will someday know the answer to the question.

"Came from" implies that God is part of time, but if time
is part of God's creation, talk about "where God came from"
is arguing from a false premise. Eternal means "outside
of time entirely."

At some point, we have to just accept that we aren't going
to fully understand God. Any god we could figure out would
not be **GOD**, it would be an idol of our own creation.

Any actual understanding would have to some from the other
direction, God revealing Himself to us.

--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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On 1/12/2025 11:16 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <vm0v2p$16m6r$1@dont-email.me>,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

So the answer for the creationist on where God came from
is that while I can't answer that now, no one can, I have
faith that I will someday know the answer to the question.

"Came from" implies that God is part of time, but if time
is part of God's creation, talk about "where God came from"
is arguing from a false premise. Eternal means "outside
of time entirely."

At some point, we have to just accept that we aren't going
to fully understand God. Any god we could figure out would
not be **GOD**, it would be an idol of our own creation.

Any actual understanding would have to some from the other
direction, God revealing Himself to us.

Yes, I agree.
BTW, when I said "I will someday know" I was meaning after I die. Then,
I'm doubtful it is even a question. I believe the truth kind of takes
over and both sides know God is real. Some just get to be near, others
spent eternity separated from him. That separation would truly be hell.

If you want to go further down the rabbit hole, Thomas Aquinas got
everyone thinking when he stated, "God's essence is his existence."
This is where most people come to understand what is meant by the one
uncaused reality.
<https://iep.utm.edu/thomas-aquinas-metaphysics/>


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On 1/12/2025 11:44 AM, sticks wrote:

-- Big bang or god -

I would disagree with this choice.  I think the big bang happened, and I believe there was a creator that planned it.  This ties into our talk of
our understanding of time.  It would be easy to say that God simply made
it all appear.  But, that's not what the evidence shows.  How the
initial matter, energy, and space came into existence is another thing.
I don't think it happened 13.84  million years ago, at least not as how
we understand time.  But that is irrelevant and I can live with either scenario.  Mortals cannot possibly understand the meaning of time to an intelligence like God.

Put this in your box of pondering.

<https://rumble.com/v69hnf1-relativity-is-mind-blowing.html>

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I Stand With Israel!

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 1/12/2025 11:44 AM, sticks wrote:

-- Big bang or god -

I would disagree with this choice.  I think the big bang happened, and I
believe there was a creator that planned it.  This ties into our talk of
our understanding of time.  It would be easy to say that God simply made
it all appear.  But, that's not what the evidence shows.  How the
initial matter, energy, and space came into existence is another thing.
I don't think it happened 13.84  million years ago, at least not as how
we understand time.  But that is irrelevant and I can live with either
scenario.  Mortals cannot possibly understand the meaning of time to an
intelligence like God.

Put this in your box of pondering.

<https://rumble.com/v69hnf1-relativity-is-mind-blowing.html>

Well, either or both, I doubt we will ever know and I have things more important to me to let this futile exercise take up my time. For instance, watching those air-head, ignorant liberal senators’ heads explode. Some pundit wondered why democrats send their dumbest members to these hearings.
It is because circus clowns are all they have to choose from.

--
Biden has no idea what he is doing but he’s really, really good at it.

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