OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives
some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready
for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice
is most welcome. What ya got?
On 2025-02-19 02:33:25 +0000, sticks said:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple
weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives
some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready
for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice
is most welcome. What ya got?
sticks
Southern Idaho we really like Village of Trees RV park and Farwell Bend SP
Craters of the Moon NM has a good park also, but with the NFS/NPS/BLM/
etc unable to hire summer help, including Camp Hosts that has a huge
question mark
In Vernal try Fossil Valley RV Park, while Moab Arch View.... again the campground inside the NP are great, but....
Most RV parks in the greater Salt Lake area suck but Lakeside RV Campground in Provo was our prefered stop for south of Salt Lake
sticks wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple
weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives
some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready
for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice
is most welcome. What ya got?
So, well, then, like, you know, you can start with this: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit? mid=1Bd3ePNy2bjsSwVluREvm_X8iNrI&usp=sharing
That's just about all of my camping spots - the vast majority of which
were flatspots. The little green tents are camping spots, the little
white flags are points of interest, and any thin blue lines you come
across are GPS tracks made by my not so efficacious Magellan handheld.
If you click on the tents, flags, or blue lines, you may or may not get
more info which may or may not be accurate.
If you see any particular areas or places where you may be going, ask me
some questions. I may or may not have some useful answers.........I can barely remember what I had for supper night before last.
If you have any places of particular interest, I took lots of pictures.
I may or may not have pics of some places, and if I do, I may or may not
be able to find them in my disc drawers.
On 2/18/2025 10:08 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will
have the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing
quite a bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the
Bronco (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably
spend most of about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE
part of the state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other
than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a
couple weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time,
too. Idaho is probably going to be more along the lines of hiking
in the mountains, if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that
shot of liquid something or other in the knees before then and
hopefully that gives some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am
ready for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all
all advice is most welcome. What ya got?
So, well, then, like, you know, you can start with this:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?
mid=1Bd3ePNy2bjsSwVluREvm_X8iNrI&usp=sharing
That's just about all of my camping spots - the vast majority of
which were flatspots. The little green tents are camping spots, the
little white flags are points of interest, and any thin blue lines
you come across are GPS tracks made by my not so efficacious
Magellan handheld. If you click on the tents, flags, or blue lines,
you may or may not get more info which may or may not be accurate.
If you see any particular areas or places where you may be going,
ask me some questions. I may or may not have some useful
answers.........I can barely remember what I had for supper night
before last.
If you have any places of particular interest, I took lots of
pictures. I may or may not have pics of some places, and if I do, I
may or may not be able to find them in my disc drawers.
It will probably be very comfortable at that time of the year, so dry
camping is definitely in play. Last time we were out around Moab we
saw lots of people just parking on open areas. I think you have to
get some kind of permit for doing that, which I will look into.
What I'm asking for is camping spots you thought were really good.
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple
weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is most welcome. What ya got?
sticks
It will probably be very comfortable at that time of the year, so dry
camping is definitely in play. Last time we were out around Moab we
saw lots of people just parking on open areas. I think you have to
get some kind of permit for doing that, which I will look into.
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except where
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Please follow these regulations while dispersed camping:
• There is a 14-day camping limit while occupying any campsite on BLM- managed lands.
• Only travel on designated routes. Check with local offices for off- roading information.
• Camp only in previously disturbed sites or areas. Do not dispersed
camp in the vicinity
of developed recreation sites such as picnic areas, campgrounds or trailheads.
• Camp at least 300 feet from range improvements. Range improvements can include corrals, gates, livestock waters and livestock pens. §43 CFR
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• Do not trench, dig or level your site. Do not cut tree limbs to fit
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• Pack out all trash. -------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2023-08/ BLM%20Utah%20Dispersed%20Camping_0.pdf
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple
weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat spot camp grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to mostly “glamping”. I have been to all fifty states and driven and camped in all of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple
weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is >>> probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some
relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am
ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is
most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
I just started the post like that since Bill was saying the place was
dead. I was hoping to get discussion from anyone willing.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat
spot camp
grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to
mostly
“glampingâ€. I have been to all fifty states and driven and
camped in all
of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want
specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery
about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there
are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to
do than fuck with people.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n
hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery
about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there
are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to
do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use Google
Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how many sardines
are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the spaces, and that
will give you a idea of what it might look like if the can is full.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once -
and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the only occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle of nowhere.
On 2/22/2025 12:39 PM, bfh wrote:
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV.Â
Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those
campgrounds where you're all packed in like sardines. But I also
am a little leery about parking the thing out in the middle of
nowhere seeing as there are so many weirdos walking around the
country with nothing better to do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the
can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use
Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how
many sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the
spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look like if
the can is full.
I've zoomed in on many of those and in southern Utah it looks like you
really found some great places for dry camping. I'm curious as to
whether you just went out and looked for a spot or someone directed
you to these locations. Pretty impressive list!
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once
- and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the
only occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle
of nowhere.
Hopefully things have remained that way. I did not like some of the
things happening down near Tucson where they were breaking into cars
parked at trailheads.
I remember last time we were in Utah and hiking
in the middle of nowhere and we'd run into people and everyone was
very nice. Shitheads probably don't like going out into the
wilderness and hiking. Just not enough people to mess with.
Here's that great link again. <https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1Bd3ePNy2bjsSwVluREvm_X8iNrI&usp=sharing>
sticks wrote:
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have >>>> the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a
bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco
(actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of
about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple >>>> weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is >>>> probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains,
if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some
relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am
ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is
most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
I just started the post like that since Bill was saying the place was
dead. I was hoping to get discussion from anyone willing.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat
spot camp
grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to
mostly
“glampingâ€. I have been to all fifty states and driven and >>> camped in all
of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want
specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n
hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery
about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there
are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to
do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the
can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use
Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how many sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the
spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look like if
the can is full.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once -
and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the only occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle of nowhere.
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
sticks wrote:
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have >>>>> the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a >>>>> bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco >>>>> (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of >>>>> about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple >>>>> weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains, >>>>> if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some
relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am
ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is >>>>> most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
I just started the post like that since Bill was saying the place was
dead. I was hoping to get discussion from anyone willing.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat
spot camp
grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to
mostly
“glampingâ€Â. I have been to all fifty states and driven and
camped in all
of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want >>>> specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n
hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery
about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there
are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to
do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the
can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use
Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how many
sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the
spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look like if
the can is full.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once -
and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the only
occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle of nowhere.
These last few years have been the exception to theft free camping. So
many RV parks are just about full of permanent residents, many of which, unfortunately, are a tad on the shady side. I have not been a victim but I know of more than a few others who have.
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What
I'm interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in
Utah.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with
flat spot camp grounds or hiking trails. I have limited
mobility so I am limited to mostly “glamping”. I have been to
all fifty states and driven and camped in all of the lower
forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want
specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from
the shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the
RV. Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those
campgrounds where you're all packed in like sardines. But I
also am a little leery about parking the thing out in the
middle of nowhere seeing as there are so many weirdos walking
around the country with nothing better to do than fuck with
people.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 09:00:23 -0600,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What
I'm interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in
Utah.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with
flat spot camp grounds or hiking trails. I have limited
mobility so I am limited to mostly “glamping”. I have been to
all fifty states and driven and camped in all of the lower
forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want
specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from
the shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the
RV. Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those
campgrounds where you're all packed in like sardines. But I
also am a little leery about parking the thing out in the
middle of nowhere seeing as there are so many weirdos walking
around the country with nothing better to do than fuck with
people.
We spent a couple of weeks in southern Utah last March, the sights
were awesome. Most of our camping was in commercial CGs--they
mostly were not full, but by April they might be. One exception
was Kodachrome Basin State Park. Sites were reasonably spaced,
though none were remote. They have electric and water, no sewer
hookups at sites. One downside is it's a good bit from the
nearest highway (maybe 10-15 minutes?).
One of the things we really enjoyed was Red Cliffs Lodge. We had
a table at a north facing window and got a glorious extended view
of the cliffs lighting up with reflection of the sunset.
Amazing. And there's a fascinating museum in the basement, with
memorabilia from the movies filmed in the Moab to Monument Valley
area. Over a hundred.
One day we took a drive up the river past the lodge, then looped
back and went east into Castle Valley and then up through the La
Sal mountains. It was gorgeous, though a bit nerve wracking.
There was still a lot of snow--the road was mostly plowed but
there were narrow places where my fear of heights really kicked
in.
George.Anthony wrote:
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:That would suggest leaning toward flatspotting out in the middle of
sticks wrote:
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm >>>>>> interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a >>>>>> bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco >>>>>> (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of >>>>>> about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the
state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple >>>>>> weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains, >>>>>> if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid
something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some
relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am
ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is >>>>>> most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
I just started the post like that since Bill was saying the place was
dead. I was hoping to get discussion from anyone willing.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat
spot camp
grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to >>>>> mostly
“glampingâ€Â. I have been to all fifty states and driven and
camped in all
of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want >>>>> specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n
hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery
about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there
are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to
do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the
can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use
Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how many
sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the
spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look like if
the can is full.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once -
and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the only
occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle of nowhere. >>>
These last few years have been the exception to theft free camping. So
many RV parks are just about full of permanent residents, many of which,
unfortunately, are a tad on the shady side. I have not been a victim but I >> know of more than a few others who have.
nowhere.
On 2/23/2025 10:14 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 09:00:23 -0600,
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough
from the shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not
in the RV. Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want
is those campgrounds where you're all packed in like
sardines. But I also am a little leery about parking the
thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there are so
many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better
to do than fuck with people.
We spent a couple of weeks in southern Utah last March, the
sights were awesome. Most of our camping was in commercial
CGs--they mostly were not full, but by April they might be.
One exception was Kodachrome Basin State Park. Sites were
reasonably spaced, though none were remote. They have
electric and water, no sewer hookups at sites. One downside
is it's a good bit from the nearest highway (maybe 10-15
minutes?).
Heh, that sounds perfect. Will look into this one for sure.
One day we took a drive up the river past the lodge, then
looped back and went east into Castle Valley and then up
through the La Sal mountains. It was gorgeous, though a bit
nerve wracking. There was still a lot of snow--the road was
mostly plowed but there were narrow places where my fear of
heights really kicked in.
I can really relate to that. Even though we've got this Bronco
which is much shorter wheelbase than my F-150 super cab with
the 6 1/2' bed on it, I still don't know if I can actually do
those type of crazy roads. I just don't have much stomach for
it anymore, and the heart really gets to pounding. I wasn't
much good at heights when I was young, though I found a couple
beers took the fear away at the time. Sounds like insanity to
me now and I guess I would probably just turn around. We'll
see how it goes once we get there.
Thanks!
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will
have the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing
quite a bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the
Bronco (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend
most of about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of
the state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than
driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a
couple weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too.
Idaho is probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains, if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of
liquid something or other in the knees before then and hopefully that
gives some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready
for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice
is most welcome. What ya got?
sticks
sticks wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm
interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will
have the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing
quite a bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the
Bronco (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend
most of about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of
the state, but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than
driving thru.
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a
couple weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too.
Idaho is probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the
mountains, if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of
liquid something or other in the knees before then and hopefully that
gives some relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these
excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am ready
for that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice
is most welcome. What ya got?
sticks
Lake Keomah state park, Oskaloosa Iowa looks nice!
Remember it's still cold in April so pack clothing layers to be the
most comfortable.
What do you have for a kitchen in your RV? I can puzzle out some fun
easy recipes.
sticks wrote:
On 2/22/2025 12:39 PM, bfh wrote:
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. >>>> Stayed n hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those
campgrounds where you're all packed in like sardines. But I
also am a little leery about parking the thing out in the middle
of nowhere seeing as there are so many weirdos walking around the
country with nothing better to do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in
the can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to
use Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you
how many sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout
of the spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look
like if the can is full.
I've zoomed in on many of those and in southern Utah it looks like
you really found some great places for dry camping. I'm curious as
to whether you just went out and looked for a spot or someone
directed you to these locations. Pretty impressive list!
One of the other 3 musketeers on my Southwestern trips did most of the research of the areas and things we wanted to see, and when we got in
the area, I hunted for flatspots. Sure would have been helpful and efficacious to have had Google Maps back then.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only
once - and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I
were the only occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in
the middle of nowhere.
Hopefully things have remained that way. I did not like some of
the things happening down near Tucson where they were breaking into
cars parked at trailheads.
Car clouting - that's what the NPS calls car breakins - has been going
on for a long time, and not just out West. But hey, just about
everything has a risk/benefit ratio, and each person has to determine
their personal acceptable ratio for each thing they want to do.
I remember last time we were in Utah and hiking in the middle of
nowhere and we'd run into people and everyone was very nice.Â
Shitheads probably don't like going out into the wilderness and
hiking. Just not enough people to mess with.
Shitheads - unless they're stone stupid - probably also strongly
suspect that people who camp in the middle of nowhere are most likely
armed.
Here's that great link again.
<https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1Bd3ePNy2bjsSwVluREvm_X8iNrI&usp=sharing>
Thanks for calling it great........but...........ummm......is it like,
you know, the greatest in all of history, too?
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:
bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:That would suggest leaning toward flatspotting out in the middle of
sticks wrote:
On 2/20/2025 7:12 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
OK, Bill. Let's get something going.
Planning on going west middle of April or thereabouts. What I'm >>>>>>> interested in is places you've stayed at and liked in Utah. Will have
the TOAD so will be able to drive, and actually plan on doing quite a >>>>>>> bit of off road stuff. Still haven't really broken in the Bronco >>>>>>> (actually haven't even drive it myself yet). Probably spend most of >>>>>>> about the two weeks I want to go in the middle to SE part of the >>>>>>> state,
but I've not been to northern Idaho yet, other than driving thru. >>>>>>>
Then in June, we intend on going to Idaho, again probably for a couple >>>>>>> weeks. Could also dip into northern Utah at that time, too. Idaho is
probably going to be more along the lines of hiking in the mountains, >>>>>>> if'n the knees hold up. I will be getting that shot of liquid >>>>>>> something
or other in the knees before then and hopefully that gives some
relief.
Been real busy, so I'm in just the early stages of planning these >>>>>>> excursions. Getting the shoulder replaced in a week, and I am >>>>>>> ready for
that pain to be gone and moving forward. So, any all all advice is >>>>>>> most
welcome. What ya got?
sticks
I’m not Bill but…
I just started the post like that since Bill was saying the place was >>>>> dead. I was hoping to get discussion from anyone willing.
< you could spend a month in Utah visiting the Mighty Five
national parks and the state parks. I can’t help much with flat
spot camp
grounds or hiking trails. I have limited mobility so I am limited to >>>>>> mostly
“glampingâ€Â. I have been to all fifty states and driven and
camped in all
of the lower forty-eight and a few Canadian provinces, eh. If you want >>>>>> specifics about a particular place I may be able to help.
That is the area we're going as soon as I get well enough from the
shoulder replacement. Been there before, but not in the RV. Stayed n
hotels or resorts. What I don't want is those campgrounds where
you're all packed in like sardines. But I also am a little leery >>>>> about parking the thing out in the middle of nowhere seeing as there >>>>> are so many weirdos walking around the country with nothing better to >>>>> do than fuck with people.
Since you're probably not going to know how many sardines are in the
can until you get there, about the only thing I can offer is to use
Google Maps sat view to look at the cans. That won't tell you how many >>>> sardines are in the can, but it will show you the layout of the
spaces, and that will give you a idea of what it might look like if
the can is full.
FYI, in all my years of camping, I had a potential problem only once - >>>> and that was in an established CG in which my wife and I were the only >>>> occupants. Never had a problem flatspotting out in the middle of nowhere. >>>>
These last few years have been the exception to theft free camping. So
many RV parks are just about full of permanent residents, many of which, >>> unfortunately, are a tad on the shady side. I have not been a victim but I >>> know of more than a few others who have.
nowhere.
Pretty much.
Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to explore
with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this hogback you
speak of?
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this
hogback you speak of?
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to explore
with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this hogback you
speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1! 1e3?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this
hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1! 1e3?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it. Certainly on the
list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of the time
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery >>>>> I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this
hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1!
1e3?
hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it. Certainly on the
list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot than in
the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of it.
On 2/24/2025 8:13 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of the
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway >>>>>> 12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of >>>>>> scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as >>>>>> hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is
this hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1!
1e3?
hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it. Certainly on
the list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
time all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot than
in the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of it.
This is the kind of thing I think we will be trying if my stomach can
handle it. Though this guy camped out of the back of his truck, I'm
sure we would be camped outside somewhere and just driving in and exploring. Cool place
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaO0plC3bU>
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:13 PM, bfh wrote:C'mon, man. Don't waste your desert nights "outside" in some RV CG. Go
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of the
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah >>>>>>> scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety
of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is
scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where
is this hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1! >>>>> 1e3?
hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D >>>>>
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it.ÂÂ
Certainly on the list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
time all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot than
in the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of it.
This is the kind of thing I think we will be trying if my stomach
can handle it. Though this guy camped out of the back of his
truck, I'm sure we would be camped outside somewhere and just
driving in and exploring. Cool place
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaO0plC3bU>
find a flatspot along Cottonwood Canyon Rd, and explore from there.
There's even a couple on my map. There's a lot to be said for sitting
around a campfire in the middle of nowhere.
bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:13 PM, bfh wrote:C'mon, man. Don't waste your desert nights "outside" in some RV CG.
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of the
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly
recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most
amazing variety of scenery
I ever recall seeing. The stretch along
the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road,
about where is this hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1! >>>>>> 1e3?
hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D >>>>>>
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it.ÂÂ
Certainly on the list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
time all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot than
in the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of it.
This is the kind of thing I think we will be trying if my stomach
can handle it. Though this guy camped out of the back of his
truck, I'm sure we would be camped outside somewhere and just
driving in and exploring. Cool place
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaO0plC3bU>
Go find a flatspot along Cottonwood Canyon Rd, and explore from
there. There's even a couple on my map.
There's a lot to be said forOh, forgot again - Cottonwood Canyon Rd is on Google Maps Street View,
sitting around a campfire in the middle of nowhere.
so you can drive it ahead of time.
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic
byway 12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing
variety of scenery I ever recall seeing. The stretch along
the hogback is scary as hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads
to explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where
is this hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1! 1e3?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it. Certainly
on the list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of
the time all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot
than in the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of
it.
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 6:52 PM, bfh wrote:Well. That was a ride. I remember that road. I spent some of the time
sticks wrote:
On 2/24/2025 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:There's this:
 Thanks!No problem! I also meant to highly recommend Utah scenic byway
12. Well worth the trip, with the most amazing variety of scenery >>>>> I ever recall seeing. The stretch along the hogback is scary as
hell, though.
That does look interesting, and has many unpaved side roads to
explore with the Bronco. It's a long road, about where is this
hogback you speak of?
https://youtu.be/DLK4Eh3pgk8?t=41
Or you can drive it yourself with Google Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8282471,-111.4122258,1479m/data=!3m1!
1e3?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D >>>
Awesome road. Here's a video with 11 miles of it. Certainly on the
list of things to do!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pyoyt23og>
all jacked up being prepared for a front tire blowout.
It reminded me again that there's no better place to flatspot than in
the Southwestern desert - and IMO, Utah's the best of it.
I'm liking some of those spots on Bill's list. Surgery Wednesday and
then I'm gonna start making some plans.
On 2/24/2025 4:58 PM, sticks wrote:
I'm liking some of those spots on Bill's list. Surgery Wednesday
and then I'm gonna start making some plans.
well, i made it out alive.
we'll see tomorrow how it feels once the
nerve block wears off.
looks like i'll have time to plan, and dry
camping sounds better and better.
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