• lug nuts

    From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 8 01:07:44 2025
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got the
    thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed.
    After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just
    slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20 mm
    would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make any
    sense?

    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts from
    trying too many times to turn them with the socket I have. Any
    suggestions on how to go at this?

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sat Jun 7 20:48:42 2025
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got the
    thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed.
    After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just
    slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20 mm
    would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make any
    sense?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper size of
    the nuts. If still stripped see recommendations below.

    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts from
    trying too many times to turn them with the socket I have. Any
    suggestions on how to go at this?

    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on with a
    hammer. Problem with this is it also might get stuck and not take the
    nut off if you're not careful.

    You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then moved on
    to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting it. Obviously,
    this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel if and when you miss.
    You also might end up having to install a new wheel stud if you mess up
    the threads.

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket tool. These
    work really well. Just don't jerk your socket wrench. It works best
    with slow steady pulls. Put a pipe on the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>


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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to sticks on Sat Jun 7 21:47:24 2025
    On 6/7/2025 8:48 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat.  I got the
    thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed.
    After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just
    slightly too big.  It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric?  Seems 20 mm
    would be the size just less than 13/16".  Does that make any
    sense?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper size of
    the nuts.  If still stripped see recommendations below.

    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts from
    trying too many times to turn them with the socket I have.  Any
    suggestions on how to go at this?

    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on with a hammer.  Problem with this is it also might get stuck and not take the
    nut off if you're not careful.

    You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then moved on
    to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting it.  Obviously,
    this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel if and when you miss. You
    also might end up having to install a new wheel stud if you mess up the threads.

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket tool.  These
    work really well.  Just don't jerk your socket wrench.  It works best
    with slow steady pulls.  Put a pipe on the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Forgot to mention, this set only goes up to 3/4"/19mm. If your 13/16"
    is too big, the rounding of the tool sockets would probably fit, but
    either look for something individual, bigger set, or take a chance on
    it. There are many sets out there.


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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sat Jun 7 23:44:46 2025
    Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got the
    thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed.
    After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just
    slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20 mm
    would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make any
    sense?

    Ask Google what the socket size is for your vehicle. Then loosen and
    then snug the rest of them back, and then work on the one you rounded.
    If you can't get the rest of them off, call the shop who last worked
    on the wheels, and tell them to come get it and fix it - unless it was
    you who last torqued the nuts. Properly torqued lug nuts should come
    off pretty easily.

    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts from
    trying too many times to turn them with the socket I have. Any
    suggestions on how to go at this?



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  • From Justan@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Jun 8 14:47:05 2025
    On 6/7/25 11:44 PM, bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got the
    thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed.
    After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just
    slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20 mm
    would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make any
    sense?

    Ask Google what the socket size is for your vehicle. Then loosen and
    then snug the rest of them back, and then work on the one you rounded.
    If you can't get the rest of them off, call the shop who last worked
    on the wheels, and tell them to come get it and fix it - unless it was
    you who last torqued the nuts. Properly torqued lug nuts should come
    off pretty easily.

    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts from
    trying too many times to turn them with the socket I have. Any
    suggestions on how to go at this?



    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
    Good advice Bill,
    Id call a tire shop. If you dont want to do that you will need the proper
    tools. Proper socket, long breaker bar or impact driver, possibly a nut
    breaker and replacement nut/s.
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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Justan on Sun Jun 8 21:06:12 2025
    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 14:47:05 GMT,
    Justan <?@¿.com> wrote:
    On 6/7/25 11:44 PM, bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems
    20 mm would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that
    make any sense?

    Ask Google what the socket size is for your vehicle.

    I actually tried that first, and came up with absolutely nothing.
    Picture of the wheel is here...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg


    ...Then loosen and then snug the rest of them back, and then
    work on the one you rounded. If you can't get the rest of them
    off, call the shop who last worked on the wheels, and tell them
    to come get it and fix it - unless it was you who last torqued
    the nuts. Properly torqued lug nuts should come off pretty
    easily.

    Actually, none of them will loosen, and I've probably rounded off
    all of them. When I got it new, it said to torque the nuts after
    25, 50, and 100 miles. So I got a torque wrench and socket, and
    have been periodically applying the torque wrench to them. At
    first, I'm pretty sure the wrench would click because the set
    torque had been reached, but I'm not sure now when the socket
    started slipping.

    Regarding the folks who last worked on the wheel, that would be
    the dealer I got it from. I had it in there last winter to get
    the wheel bearings repacked. If the wheel doesn't have to come
    off for that, they've never been off.


    Good advice Bill,
    Id call a tire shop.

    I will call one in the morning.

    The stupid thing is in the storage unit and I'm starting to think
    I'll have to get someone to tow it on a trailer. I pumped it up
    to ~70 psi and after driving to it to dump the tanks and then to
    the storage facility, it was visibly flat--though not on the rim.

    Here's the view in the storage bay...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155534-scaled.jpg

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to sticks on Sun Jun 8 21:11:09 2025
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20
    mm would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make
    any sense?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper
    size of the nuts. If still stripped see recommendations below.

    Not sure how to do that, but I picked up a 20 mm socket today and
    it seemed to fit the nuts reasonably well. It wouldn't go on one
    of them at all, probably too rounded. I sheared off a 3/8" drive
    extension (socket is 3/8") trying to loosen a different nut, then
    switched to a 1/2" extension conected to the adaptor. The socket
    then slipped on any that I tried before anything came loose.


    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts
    from trying too many times to turn them with the socket I
    have. Any suggestions on how to go at this?

    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on
    with a hammer. Problem with this is it also might get stuck
    and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

    You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then
    moved on to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting
    it. Obviously, this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel
    if and when you miss. You also might end up having to install a
    new wheel stud if you mess up the threads.

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket
    tool. These work really well. Just don't jerk your socket
    wrench. It works best with slow steady pulls. Put a pipe on
    the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Okay, is that something I'm going to be able to apply to the nuts
    in this stupid "pretty" wheel?

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg

    Ugh. What a mess.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sun Jun 8 21:23:17 2025
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 21:11:09 -0000 (UTC),
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket
    tool. These work really well. Just don't jerk your socket
    wrench. It works best with slow steady pulls. Put a pipe on
    the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Okay, is that something I'm going to be able to apply to the nuts
    in this stupid "pretty" wheel?

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg

    P.S. Sounds like this would need an impact wrench applied to it,
    and I don't have access to anything like that--or even power where
    the trailer is.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sun Jun 8 17:41:21 2025
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20
    mm would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make
    any sense?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper
    size of the nuts. If still stripped see recommendations below.

    Not sure how to do that, but I picked up a 20 mm socket today and
    it seemed to fit the nuts reasonably well. It wouldn't go on one
    of them at all, probably too rounded. I sheared off a 3/8" drive
    extension (socket is 3/8") trying to loosen a different nut, then
    switched to a 1/2" extension conected to the adaptor. The socket
    then slipped on any that I tried before anything came loose.

    When I work on my vehicles wheels, I only use 1/2" drive. Just about everything requires 150 lbs or greater torque. That's too much for
    3/8". In my View, I have a dedicated 1/2" wrench, socket, extensions,
    and a small pipe to get more leverage.

    Your wheels are deep and you have the trailer body to contend with. You
    might need a 6" or 8" extension to be able to clear that and put a pipe
    on the end of your socket wrench.


    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts
    from trying too many times to turn them with the socket I
    have. Any suggestions on how to go at this?

    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on
    with a hammer. Problem with this is it also might get stuck
    and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

    You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then
    moved on to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting
    it. Obviously, this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel
    if and when you miss. You also might end up having to install a
    new wheel stud if you mess up the threads.

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket
    tool. These work really well. Just don't jerk your socket
    wrench. It works best with slow steady pulls. Put a pipe on
    the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Okay, is that something I'm going to be able to apply to the nuts
    in this stupid "pretty" wheel?

    I would certainly think so. They're basically a socket made of very
    hard steel, that has a different gripping pattern. It grips harder the
    more pressure you put on it.

    Wouldn't hurt to spray some penetrating oil in there and let it sit
    overnight if you can.


    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg

    Ugh. What a mess.

    In another post you said this:


    P.S. Sounds like this would need an impact wrench applied to it,
    and I don't have access to anything like that--or even power where
    the trailer is.

    I NEVER EVER use impact wrenches on our wheels. That is probably how
    you got in this mess in the first place. Yes, the tires probably came
    off to do the wheel bearings. 99% of people who do the job take them
    off. Then they probably just hammered them with the impact when putting
    back on. This is possibly how they began to get rounded. I NEVER let
    anyone rotate tires on my vehicles because they always use impacts. I
    use socket and a good bar. Tightening, I don't even use a torque
    wrench. I just get them as tight as I can. If you tighten in a
    pattern, and then use the same pattern for the final pull, you're good.

    You can do this! And...you're learning another very good lesson about
    your rig. You need to get a handle on doing this in case it happens in
    the middle of nowhere.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sun Jun 8 20:08:23 2025
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 14:47:05 GMT,
    Justan <?@¿.com> wrote:
    On 6/7/25 11:44 PM, bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems
    20 mm would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that
    make any sense?

    Ask Google what the socket size is for your vehicle.

    I actually tried that first, and came up with absolutely nothing.
    Picture of the wheel is here...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg


    ...Then loosen and then snug the rest of them back, and then
    work on the one you rounded. If you can't get the rest of them
    off, call the shop who last worked on the wheels, and tell them
    to come get it and fix it - unless it was you who last torqued
    the nuts. Properly torqued lug nuts should come off pretty
    easily.

    Actually, none of them will loosen, and I've probably rounded off
    all of them. When I got it new, it said to torque the nuts after
    25, 50, and 100 miles. So I got a torque wrench and socket, and
    have been periodically applying the torque wrench to them. At
    first, I'm pretty sure the wrench would click because the set
    torque had been reached, but I'm not sure now when the socket
    started slipping.

    Regarding the folks who last worked on the wheel, that would be
    the dealer I got it from. I had it in there last winter to get
    the wheel bearings repacked. If the wheel doesn't have to come
    off for that, they've never been off.


    Good advice Bill,
    Id call a tire shop.

    I will call one in the morning.

    The stupid thing is in the storage unit and I'm starting to think
    I'll have to get someone to tow it on a trailer. I pumped it up
    to ~70 psi and after driving to it to dump the tanks and then to
    the storage facility, it was visibly flat--though not on the rim.

    Here's the view in the storage bay...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155534-scaled.jpg

    Call Lance to get the proper socket size. If that does not work, get
    one of these: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Slime-Deluxe-Tire-Plug-Kit-Reamer-Plugger-Kit-with-8-Plugs-and-Glue/4777239?user=shopping&feed=yes&srsltid=AfmBOorSyi7NvcAkKyW4i7I6vWh8UjH2zf9YJ04HoN49wuDM2yuwvoPCysk&gQT=1

    Then patch the tire and tow it to an appropriate shop to see what the
    problem is with the lug nuts.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Jun 8 20:37:09 2025
    bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 14:47:05 GMT,
       Justan <?@¿.com> wrote:
      On 6/7/25 11:44 PM, bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat.  I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big.  It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric?  Seems
    20 mm would be the size just less than 13/16".  Does that
    make any sense?

    Ask Google what the socket size is for your vehicle.

    I actually tried that first, and came up with absolutely nothing.
    Picture of the wheel is here...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg



    ...Then loosen and then snug the rest of them back, and then
    work on the one you rounded. If you can't get the rest of them
    off, call the shop who last worked on the wheels, and tell them
    to come get it and fix it - unless it was you who last torqued
    the nuts. Properly torqued lug nuts should come off pretty
    easily.

    Actually, none of them will loosen, and I've probably rounded off
    all of them.  When I got it new, it said to torque the nuts after
    25, 50, and 100 miles.  So I got a torque wrench and socket, and
    have been periodically applying the torque wrench to them.  At
    first, I'm pretty sure the wrench would click because the set
    torque had been reached, but I'm not sure now when the socket
    started slipping.

    Regarding the folks who last worked on the wheel, that would be
    the dealer I got it from.  I had it in there last winter to get
    the wheel bearings repacked.  If the wheel doesn't have to come
    off for that, they've never been off.


      Good advice Bill,
      Id call a tire shop.

    I will call one in the morning.

    The stupid thing is in the storage unit and I'm starting to think
    I'll have to get someone to tow it on a trailer.  I pumped it up
    to ~70 psi and after driving to it to dump the tanks and then to
    the storage facility, it was visibly flat--though not on the rim.

    Here's the view in the storage bay...

    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155534-scaled.jpg


    Call Lance to get the proper socket size. If that does not work, get
    one of these: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Slime-Deluxe-Tire-Plug-Kit-Reamer-Plugger-Kit-with-8-Plugs-and-Glue/4777239?user=shopping&feed=yes&srsltid=AfmBOorSyi7NvcAkKyW4i7I6vWh8UjH2zf9YJ04HoN49wuDM2yuwvoPCysk&gQT=1


    Then patch the tire and tow it to an appropriate shop to see what the
    problem is with the lug nuts.

    Oop. I didn't mean for you to get THAT one - just something similar.
    Your nearest auto parts store or Walmart probably has one.

    --
    bill
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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to sticks on Mon Jun 9 02:21:35 2025
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat. I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric? Seems 20
    mm would be the size just less than 13/16". Does that make
    any sense?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper
    size of the nuts. If still stripped see recommendations below.

    Not sure how to do that, but I picked up a 20 mm socket today and
    it seemed to fit the nuts reasonably well. It wouldn't go on one
    of them at all, probably too rounded. I sheared off a 3/8" drive
    extension (socket is 3/8") trying to loosen a different nut, then
    switched to a 1/2" extension conected to the adaptor. The socket
    then slipped on any that I tried before anything came loose.

    When I work on my vehicles wheels, I only use 1/2" drive. Just about >everything requires 150 lbs or greater torque. That's too much for
    3/8". In my View, I have a dedicated 1/2" wrench, socket, extensions,
    and a small pipe to get more leverage.

    Your wheels are deep and you have the trailer body to contend with. You >might need a 6" or 8" extension to be able to clear that and put a pipe
    on the end of your socket wrench.


    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts
    from trying too many times to turn them with the socket I
    have. Any suggestions on how to go at this?

    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on
    with a hammer. Problem with this is it also might get stuck
    and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

    You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then
    moved on to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting
    it. Obviously, this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel
    if and when you miss. You also might end up having to install a
    new wheel stud if you mess up the threads.

    The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket
    tool. These work really well. Just don't jerk your socket
    wrench. It works best with slow steady pulls. Put a pipe on
    the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Okay, is that something I'm going to be able to apply to the nuts
    in this stupid "pretty" wheel?

    I would certainly think so. They're basically a socket made of very
    hard steel, that has a different gripping pattern. It grips harder the
    more pressure you put on it.

    Wouldn't hurt to spray some penetrating oil in there and let it sit
    overnight if you can.


    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg

    Ugh. What a mess.

    In another post you said this:


    P.S. Sounds like this would need an impact wrench applied to it,
    and I don't have access to anything like that--or even power where
    the trailer is.

    I NEVER EVER use impact wrenches on our wheels. That is probably how
    you got in this mess in the first place. Yes, the tires probably came
    off to do the wheel bearings. 99% of people who do the job take them
    off. Then they probably just hammered them with the impact when putting
    back on. This is possibly how they began to get rounded. I NEVER let
    anyone rotate tires on my vehicles because they always use impacts. I
    use socket and a good bar. Tightening, I don't even use a torque
    wrench. I just get them as tight as I can. If you tighten in a
    pattern, and then use the same pattern for the final pull, you're good.

    You can do this! And...you're learning another very good lesson about
    your rig. You need to get a handle on doing this in case it happens in
    the middle of nowhere.

    Okay, replying on my phone, sorry if this is messy. I did put PB Blaster on
    them a few times this afternoon. Plan now is to call Lance and get the
    correct dimension, then get the proper size bolt and nut removing socket
    tool--in 1/2" drive. I already have a 1/2" drive breaker bar and 3"
    extension, so will also get a bit of pipe to extend the breaker bar.

    Totally agree I need to get things set so I can handle flats on the road,
    just may need some help getting over the immediate hurdle in front of me.
    The tips and encouragement may get there yet, thanks!

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i have no idea
    where the leak may be coming from.

    --
    Ted H <theise@panix.com>

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Jun 8 23:16:31 2025
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat.  I got
    the thing jacked up and tried loosening the lug nuts--but
    failed. After many tries, I think the socket I have (13/16")
    is just slightly too big.  It wobbles a bit when placed all
    the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric?  Seems 20
    mm would be the size just less than 13/16".  Does that make
    any sense?

      Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the proper
      size of the nuts.  If still stripped see recommendations below.

    Not sure how to do that, but I picked up a 20 mm socket today and
    it seemed to fit the nuts reasonably well.  It wouldn't go on one
    of them at all, probably too rounded.  I sheared off a 3/8" drive
    extension (socket is 3/8") trying to loosen a different nut, then
    switched to a 1/2" extension conected to the adaptor.  The socket
    then slipped on any that I tried before anything came loose.

    When I work on my vehicles wheels, I only use 1/2" drive.  Just
    about everything requires 150 lbs or greater torque.  That's too
    much for 3/8".  In my View, I have a dedicated 1/2" wrench, socket,
    extensions, and a small pipe to get more leverage.

    Your wheels are deep and you have the trailer body to contend with.
    You might need a 6" or 8" extension to be able to clear that and put
    a pipe on the end of your socket wrench.


    My bigger concern is that I'v probably rounded off the nuts
    from trying too many times to turn them with the socket I
    have.  Any suggestions on how to go at this?

      You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat on
      with a hammer.  Problem with this is it also might get stuck
      and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

      You can try using a chisel to beat it off first, and I've then
      moved on to chiseling down the length of the nut and splitting
      it.  Obviously, this can be hard on a nice finish of the wheel
      if and when you miss. You also might end up having to install a
      new wheel stud if you mess up the threads.

      The easiest method is using a bolt and nut removing socket
      tool.  These work really well.  Just don't jerk your socket
      wrench.  It works best with slow steady pulls.  Put a pipe on
      the end if you need more leverage.

    <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X7FYZB7>

    Okay, is that something I'm going to be able to apply to the nuts
    in this stupid "pretty" wheel?

    I would certainly think so.  They're basically a socket made of very
    hard steel, that has a different gripping pattern.  It grips harder
    the more pressure you put on it.

    Wouldn't hurt to spray some penetrating oil in there and let it sit
    overnight if you can.


    https://panix.com/~theise/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/20250608_155335-scaled.jpg


    Ugh.  What a mess.

    In another post you said this:


    P.S.  Sounds like this would need an impact wrench applied to it,
    and I don't have access to anything like that--or even power where
    the trailer is.

    I NEVER EVER use impact wrenches on our wheels.  That is probably
    how you got in this mess in the first place.  Yes, the tires
    probably came off to do the wheel bearings.  99% of people who do
    the job take them off.  Then they probably just hammered them with
    the impact when putting back on.  This is possibly how they began to
    get rounded.  I NEVER let anyone rotate tires on my vehicles because
    they always use impacts.  I use socket and a good bar.  Tightening,
    I don't even use a torque wrench.  I just get them as tight as I
    can.  If you tighten in a pattern, and then use the same pattern for
    the final pull, you're good.

    You can do this!  And...you're learning another very good lesson
    about your rig.  You need to get a handle on doing this in case it
    happens in the middle of nowhere.

    Okay, replying on my phone, sorry if this is messy.  I did put PB
    Blaster on
    them a few times this afternoon.  Plan now is to call Lance and get the correct dimension, then get the proper size bolt and nut removing socket tool--in 1/2" drive.  I already have a 1/2" drive breaker bar and 3" extension, so will also get a bit of pipe to extend the breaker bar.

    Totally agree I need to get things set so I can handle flats on the road, just may need some help getting over the immediate hurdle in front of me.
    The tips and encouragement may get there yet, thanks!

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over it and look
    for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy where the bubbles are
    coming from. However, if the leak is not somewhere in the tread,
    myownself would not punch a hole in the sidewall. I would tell you
    about that stuff that you squirt into the tire to stop leaks, but I've
    never used it, and I'm unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug
    thingy a number of times in my life, and it always got me to where I
    needed to go to get a more permanent fix. I never leave home without it.

    About impact wrenches. I've got one that plugs into the cigarette
    lighter, and I use it when changing or rotating tires. To remove the
    nuts, it goes whizzzzz CLACK whizzzz CLACK a few times, and the nut
    whizzzzes off. To put them back on, I snug up the nuts finger tight
    and then I whizzzz CLACK them one time, and then get out the torque
    wrench. I never leave home without the whizclacker.....or the torque
    wrench.

    --
    bill
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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to sticks on Mon Jun 9 20:51:27 2025
    TLDR: I got the wheel off and taken to a local tire repair shop!


    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 17:41:21 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:

    ...tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed. After many
    tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just slightly
    too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the
    proper size of the nuts. If still stripped see
    recommendations below.

    As advised, I called Lance this morning. They indicated the lug
    nuts have a 3/4" hex head. I reasoned that I'd not been able to
    get a 3/4" socket onto the nuts because I'd dinged them up too
    much. I also reasoned that a larger size bolt and nut extractor
    would be a suboptimal approach, so I got a 1/2" drive 3/4" hex
    socket, figuring I might have to hammer it onto the nuts.

    As an aside, I actually had a 1/2" drive 3/4" socket already, but
    it was 12 point so I thought it wouldn't be a good choice.


    When I work on my vehicles wheels, I only use 1/2" drive.
    Just about everything requires 150 lbs or greater torque.
    That's too much for 3/8". In my View, I have a dedicated 1/2"
    wrench, socket, extensions, and a small pipe to get more
    leverage.

    Your wheels are deep and you have the trailer body to contend
    with. You might need a 6" or 8" extension to be able to clear
    that and put a pipe on the end of your socket wrench.

    I already had the 1/2" drive extension. Along with the 1/2" drive
    3/4" hex socket I got a 2 ft pipe that was large enough to fit
    over the handle of my breaker bar. Ended up being a 1" diameter
    pipe. I then pounded the socket onto a random nut. Took me a few
    strikes of my fingers to realize they would do better if I put the
    extension into the socket and *then* applied the hammer. Duh.

    Once the socket was reasonably well seated on the nut I was able
    to break it loose. When it was off the stud, I had to knock it
    out of the socket by striking a small rod that fit through the
    drive side of the socket. One of the larger sockets in my old set
    made a nice holder for doing this.

    After getting one off, I was considerably encouraged and went at
    the others, one by one. With a couple it didn't seem clear I'd
    gotten the socket driven far enough onto the nut to succeed in
    turning it, but somehow they all gave in.

    Turns out the nuts were steel with chrome caps. Yuck. The tire
    place recommended I get solid chrome lug nuts, which I've done;
    enough for both wheels. In the next few days I'll get back out to
    the storage facility and replace the nuts on the other wheel. I
    think it should work to do this without jacking up that side
    of the trailer if I do them one at time.

    The tire has probably about 10,000 miles, so it seems it should
    still have some life left--assuming it can be repaired. Will let
    you know what the shop says.


    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat
    on with a hammer. Problem with this is it also might get
    stuck and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

    As you know by now, this is essentially what I did. It worked
    well.


    You can do this! And...you're learning another very good
    lesson about your rig. You need to get a handle on doing this
    in case it happens in the middle of nowhere.

    I *really* appreciate the advice and the encouragement! I would
    not have succeeded without the help of you guys here. And bill, I
    plan to get one of those patch kits to keep in the pass through.

    Thank you all!

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Mon Jun 9 18:12:52 2025
    On 6/9/2025 3:51 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    TLDR: I got the wheel off and taken to a local tire repair shop!

    Congratulations! I am impressed with your work ethic and as shown now
    in this exercise and your air conditioner, and the solar/battery issue
    your willingness to stick with it and get it done. Made my day seeing
    this post!


    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 17:41:21 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:

    ...tried loosening the lug nuts--but failed. After many
    tries, I think the socket I have (13/16") is just slightly
    too big. It wobbles a bit when placed all the way in.

    A 3/4" won't go on the nuts, so maybe I need metric?

    Before doing anything else, you you should confirm the
    proper size of the nuts. If still stripped see
    recommendations below.

    As advised, I called Lance this morning. They indicated the lug
    nuts have a 3/4" hex head. I reasoned that I'd not been able to
    get a 3/4" socket onto the nuts because I'd dinged them up too
    much. I also reasoned that a larger size bolt and nut extractor
    would be a suboptimal approach, so I got a 1/2" drive 3/4" hex
    socket, figuring I might have to hammer it onto the nuts.

    As an aside, I actually had a 1/2" drive 3/4" socket already, but
    it was 12 point so I thought it wouldn't be a good choice.

    That was smart and the right choice!


    When I work on my vehicles wheels, I only use 1/2" drive.
    Just about everything requires 150 lbs or greater torque.
    That's too much for 3/8". In my View, I have a dedicated 1/2"
    wrench, socket, extensions, and a small pipe to get more
    leverage.

    Your wheels are deep and you have the trailer body to contend
    with. You might need a 6" or 8" extension to be able to clear
    that and put a pipe on the end of your socket wrench.

    I already had the 1/2" drive extension. Along with the 1/2" drive
    3/4" hex socket I got a 2 ft pipe that was large enough to fit
    over the handle of my breaker bar. Ended up being a 1" diameter
    pipe. I then pounded the socket onto a random nut. Took me a few
    strikes of my fingers to realize they would do better if I put the
    extension into the socket and *then* applied the hammer. Duh.

    Once the socket was reasonably well seated on the nut I was able
    to break it loose. When it was off the stud, I had to knock it
    out of the socket by striking a small rod that fit through the
    drive side of the socket. One of the larger sockets in my old set
    made a nice holder for doing this.

    After getting one off, I was considerably encouraged and went at
    the others, one by one. With a couple it didn't seem clear I'd
    gotten the socket driven far enough onto the nut to succeed in
    turning it, but somehow they all gave in.

    Turns out the nuts were steel with chrome caps. Yuck. The tire
    place recommended I get solid chrome lug nuts, which I've done;
    enough for both wheels. In the next few days I'll get back out to
    the storage facility and replace the nuts on the other wheel. I
    think it should work to do this without jacking up that side
    of the trailer if I do them one at time.

    Exactly why I never let anyone put a gun on our vehicles. I've actually replaced all my nuts with solid on my F-150. It is crazy that for the
    little they save going with these cheap "pretty" nuts, they are willing
    to let people get stranded when you can't get them off. It happens all
    the time.


    The tire has probably about 10,000 miles, so it seems it should
    still have some life left--assuming it can be repaired. Will let
    you know what the shop says.


    You can try a slightly smaller socket that you have to beat
    on with a hammer. Problem with this is it also might get
    stuck and not take the nut off if you're not careful.

    As you know by now, this is essentially what I did. It worked
    well.


    You can do this! And...you're learning another very good
    lesson about your rig. You need to get a handle on doing this
    in case it happens in the middle of nowhere.

    I *really* appreciate the advice and the encouragement! I would
    not have succeeded without the help of you guys here. And bill, I
    plan to get one of those patch kits to keep in the pass through.

    I've probably put in a hundred of those damn things. Being the boss on construction projects, I was always all over the place and got many flat
    tires. I've even put them on skidsteers to keep things going on the
    job. Have also put them on motorcycle tires and rode them until needing
    new tires. Risky, but it worked. Remember too you'll need a 12 volt
    air compressor. I had a little cig lighter one I carried around for years.

    Anyways, glad you got it going your way! Well done.

    --
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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to sticks on Tue Jun 10 12:02:28 2025
    On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 18:12:52 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/9/2025 3:51 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    TLDR: I got the wheel off and taken to a local tire repair
    shop!

    Congratulations! I am impressed with your work ethic and as
    shown now in this exercise and your air conditioner, and the
    solar/battery issue your willingness to stick with it and get
    it done. Made my day seeing this post!

    Glad to hear this, but I doubt I'd have succeeded without the help
    and encouragement from the crew here. :)

    I did want to follow up on this...

    ...Remember too you'll need a 12 volt air compressor. I had a
    little cig lighter one I carried around for years.

    I actually have one of those, specifically, this Avid Power pistol
    grip unit...

    https://www.amazon.com/Inflator-Compressor-Cordless-Rechargeable-Power/dp/B08N459G4K?th=1

    I've used it regularly for a couple of years because one of the
    tires on my Acadia has a slow leak. When I discovered the low
    tire on the trailer, I plugged this Avid unit into the cigarette
    lighter of the trailer, set it to 80 psi, and let it run. After
    several minutes (maybe over 10) I noticed it was sounding a bit
    strained. When I checked on it there was a definite overheating
    smell to it. It was not even to 50 psi yet, but I quickly shut it
    off.

    Since then it's worked okay on my Acadia tires (36 psi), but I
    haven't dared try it on the trailer tire. I'm assuming the tire
    was losing air fast enough the Avid wasn't going to get it
    anywhere near the rated pressure. Should I be looking for a
    different small compressor?

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Tue Jun 10 12:34:10 2025
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 18:12:52 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/9/2025 3:51 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    TLDR: I got the wheel off and taken to a local tire repair
    shop!

    Congratulations! I am impressed with your work ethic and as
    shown now in this exercise and your air conditioner, and the
    solar/battery issue your willingness to stick with it and get
    it done. Made my day seeing this post!

    Glad to hear this, but I doubt I'd have succeeded without the help
    and encouragement from the crew here. :)

    I did want to follow up on this...

    ...Remember too you'll need a 12 volt air compressor. I had a
    little cig lighter one I carried around for years.

    I actually have one of those, specifically, this Avid Power pistol
    grip unit...

    https://www.amazon.com/Inflator-Compressor-Cordless-Rechargeable-Power/dp/B08N459G4K?th=1

    I've used it regularly for a couple of years because one of the
    tires on my Acadia has a slow leak. When I discovered the low
    tire on the trailer, I plugged this Avid unit into the cigarette
    lighter of the trailer, set it to 80 psi, and let it run. After
    several minutes (maybe over 10) I noticed it was sounding a bit
    strained. When I checked on it there was a definite overheating
    smell to it. It was not even to 50 psi yet, but I quickly shut it
    off.

    Since then it's worked okay on my Acadia tires (36 psi), but I
    haven't dared try it on the trailer tire. I'm assuming the tire
    was losing air fast enough the Avid wasn't going to get it
    anywhere near the rated pressure. Should I be looking for a
    different small compressor?

    Maybe. Maybe even probably. Better to have too much than not enough,
    but if you plug the hole first, it won't lose air as fast - or at all.
    Besides, that compressor you have says: "And not recommended for
    vehicle tires wider than 245mm or requiring over 50PSI."

    Do you carry a spare for the trailer?

    --
    bill
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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to bfh on Tue Jun 10 20:30:32 2025
    On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:34:10 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:

    I actually have one of those, specifically, this Avid Power
    pistol grip unit...

    https://www.amazon.com/Inflator-Compressor-Cordless-Rechargeable-Power/dp/B08N459G4K?th=1

    I've used it regularly for a couple of years because one of
    the tires on my Acadia has a slow leak. When I discovered the
    low tire on the trailer, I plugged this Avid unit into the
    cigarette lighter of the trailer, set it to 80 psi, and let it
    run. After several minutes (maybe over 10) I noticed it was
    sounding a bit strained. When I checked on it there was a
    definite overheating smell to it. It was not even to 50 psi
    yet, but I quickly shut it off.

    Since then it's worked okay on my Acadia tires (36 psi), but I
    haven't dared try it on the trailer tire. I'm assuming the
    tire was losing air fast enough the Avid wasn't going to get
    it anywhere near the rated pressure. Should I be looking for
    a different small compressor?

    Maybe. Maybe even probably. Better to have too much than not
    enough, but if you plug the hole first, it won't lose air as
    fast - or at all.

    Valid. I do have a patch kit on my shopping list. Pretty soon
    I'll be out of space in the pass through!


    ...Besides, that compressor you have says: "And not recommended
    for vehicle tires wider than 245mm or requiring over 50PSI."

    Huh, I missed that entirely. And I was even looking for that type
    of info. Duh.


    Do you carry a spare for the trailer?

    Yes, it came with a spare. Seems to be an equivalent tire, though
    the wheel's pretty basic (i.e., not "pretty"). It even has a cool
    winch like contraption that will lower and raise the wheel up to
    it's storage loction under the pass through. It took me quite a
    lot of STFW to figure out how to operate it.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to bfh on Tue Jun 10 18:30:05 2025
    On 6/10/2025 11:34 AM, bfh wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 18:12:52 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/9/2025 3:51 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    TLDR: I got the wheel off and taken to a local tire repair
    shop!

      Congratulations!  I am impressed with your work ethic and as
      shown now in this exercise and your air conditioner, and the
      solar/battery issue your willingness to stick with it and get
      it done.  Made my day seeing this post!

    Glad to hear this, but I doubt I'd have succeeded without the help
    and encouragement from the crew here.  :)

    I did want to follow up on this...

      ...Remember too you'll need a 12 volt air compressor.  I had a
      little cig lighter one I carried around for years.

    I actually have one of those, specifically, this Avid Power pistol
    grip unit...

    https://www.amazon.com/Inflator-Compressor-Cordless-Rechargeable-
    Power/dp/B08N459G4K?th=1

    I've used it regularly for a couple of years because one of the
    tires on my Acadia has a slow leak.  When I discovered the low
    tire on the trailer, I plugged this Avid unit into the cigarette
    lighter of the trailer, set it to 80 psi, and let it run.  After
    several minutes (maybe over 10) I noticed it was sounding a bit
    strained.  When I checked on it there was a definite overheating
    smell to it.  It was not even to 50 psi yet, but I quickly shut it
    off.

    Since then it's worked okay on my Acadia tires (36 psi), but I
    haven't dared try it on the trailer tire.  I'm assuming the tire
    was losing air fast enough the Avid wasn't going to get it
    anywhere near the rated pressure.  Should I be looking for a
    different small compressor?

    Maybe. Maybe even probably. Better to have too much than not enough, but
    if you plug the hole first, it won't lose air as fast - or at all.
    Besides, that compressor you have says: "And not recommended for vehicle tires wider than 245mm or requiring over 50PSI."

    All I wanted mine to do was get enough air in a tire to get to a bigger compressor. 25 to 30 lbs or even less if it was a big tire. Great for emergencies, but those things are like watching paint dry.

    --
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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Tue Jun 10 21:41:40 2025
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:34:10 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted Heise wrote:

    I actually have one of those, specifically, this Avid Power
    pistol grip unit...

    https://www.amazon.com/Inflator-Compressor-Cordless-Rechargeable-Power/dp/B08N459G4K?th=1

    I've used it regularly for a couple of years because one of
    the tires on my Acadia has a slow leak. When I discovered the
    low tire on the trailer, I plugged this Avid unit into the
    cigarette lighter of the trailer, set it to 80 psi, and let it
    run. After several minutes (maybe over 10) I noticed it was
    sounding a bit strained. When I checked on it there was a
    definite overheating smell to it. It was not even to 50 psi
    yet, but I quickly shut it off.

    Since then it's worked okay on my Acadia tires (36 psi), but I
    haven't dared try it on the trailer tire. I'm assuming the
    tire was losing air fast enough the Avid wasn't going to get
    it anywhere near the rated pressure. Should I be looking for
    a different small compressor?

    Maybe. Maybe even probably. Better to have too much than not
    enough, but if you plug the hole first, it won't lose air as
    fast - or at all.

    Valid. I do have a patch kit on my shopping list. Pretty soon
    I'll be out of space in the pass through!


    ...Besides, that compressor you have says: "And not recommended
    for vehicle tires wider than 245mm or requiring over 50PSI."

    Huh, I missed that entirely. And I was even looking for that type
    of info. Duh.


    Do you carry a spare for the trailer?

    Yes, it came with a spare. Seems to be an equivalent tire, though
    the wheel's pretty basic (i.e., not "pretty"). It even has a cool
    winch like contraption that will lower and raise the wheel up to
    it's storage loction under the pass through. It took me quite a
    lot of STFW to figure out how to operate it.

    Sounds like you're ready to put the rubber to the road.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Jun 12 09:57:31 2025
    On 6/12/2025 9:23 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:16:31 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat...

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i
    have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over it
    and look for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy where
    the bubbles are coming from. However, if the leak is not
    somewhere in the tread, myownself would not punch a hole in the
    sidewall. I would tell you about that stuff that you squirt
    into the tire to stop leaks, but I've never used it, and I'm
    unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug thingy a number of
    times in my life, and it always got me to where I needed to go
    to get a more permanent fix. I never leave home without it.

    Picked up the wheel today and was informed the problem was the
    valve core. I don't think a plug kit would help with that kind of
    problem, so should I also get a spare core or two to travel with?

    They do go bad, but I suspect it was probably just loose. I carry one
    of these on a valve stem on each vehicle we have in case one needs
    tightening.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/vT70TsvT/valve-cap-for-cores.jpg>

    I got mine from Milton Industries. Cheap.

    <https://miltonindustries.com/collections/tire-hardware-tire-caps/products/miltonr-tr-vc-2-screwdriver-type-valve-cap-single-retail-pack-s-437w>

    I assume the soapy water treatment would work to find a leaking
    valve too?

    Yep.



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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Jun 12 14:23:46 2025
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:16:31 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat...

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i
    have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over it
    and look for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy where
    the bubbles are coming from. However, if the leak is not
    somewhere in the tread, myownself would not punch a hole in the
    sidewall. I would tell you about that stuff that you squirt
    into the tire to stop leaks, but I've never used it, and I'm
    unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug thingy a number of
    times in my life, and it always got me to where I needed to go
    to get a more permanent fix. I never leave home without it.

    Picked up the wheel today and was informed the problem was the
    valve core. I don't think a plug kit would help with that kind of
    problem, so should I also get a spare core or two to travel with?

    I assume the soapy water treatment would work to find a leaking
    valve too?

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Jun 12 15:07:54 2025
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:16:31 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat...

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i
    have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over it
    and look for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy where
    the bubbles are coming from. However, if the leak is not
    somewhere in the tread, myownself would not punch a hole in the
    sidewall. I would tell you about that stuff that you squirt
    into the tire to stop leaks, but I've never used it, and I'm
    unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug thingy a number of
    times in my life, and it always got me to where I needed to go
    to get a more permanent fix. I never leave home without it.

    Picked up the wheel today and was informed the problem was the
    valve core. I don't think a plug kit would help with that kind of
    problem, so should I also get a spare core or two to travel with?

    I assume the soapy water treatment would work to find a leaking
    valve too?


    Be careful using tire plugs. If they aren’t the kind that expand and
    flatten against the inside of the tire, they can let air leak between the plies and you will be seeing a bubble in the treads. It’s best to consider plugs as a stop gap measure and have the tire properly patched when you
    can.

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to sticks on Thu Jun 12 17:32:42 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:57:31 -0500,
    sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
    On 6/12/2025 9:23 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:16:31 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low
    on pressure. Did the cleanup and it's definitely
    flat...

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i
    have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over
    it and look for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy
    where the bubbles are coming from. However, if the leak is
    not somewhere in the tread, myownself would not punch a
    hole in the sidewall. I would tell you about that stuff
    that you squirt into the tire to stop leaks, but I've never
    used it, and I'm unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug
    thingy a number of times in my life, and it always got me
    to where I needed to go to get a more permanent fix. I
    never leave home without it.

    Picked up the wheel today and was informed the problem was the
    valve core. I don't think a plug kit would help with that
    kind of problem, so should I also get a spare core or two to
    travel with?

    They do go bad, but I suspect it was probably just loose. I
    carry one of these on a valve stem on each vehicle we have in
    case one needs tightening.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/vT70TsvT/valve-cap-for-cores.jpg>

    I got mine from Milton Industries. Cheap.

    <https://miltonindustries.com/collections/tire-hardware-tire-caps/products/miltonr-tr-vc-2-screwdriver-type-valve-cap-single-retail-pack-s-437w>

    Heh, I already have that kind of thing somewhere, just didn't
    appreciate what it was until I saw the pic.

    Thanks!

    And to George as well.

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    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Jun 12 13:39:22 2025
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:16:31 -0400,
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Ted wrote:
    On 6/8/25 6:41 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 6/8/2025 4:11 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 20:48:42 -0500,
       sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
      On 6/7/2025 8:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Okay, got home from Wyoming and found a tire quite low on
    pressure.  Did the cleanup and it's definitely flat...

    And Bill, I'm not sure how I would use a tire plug, given i
    have no idea where the leak may be coming from.

    Pump it up, pour/spray some slightly soapy water all over it
    and look for bubbles and then use the tire plug thingy where
    the bubbles are coming from. However, if the leak is not
    somewhere in the tread, myownself would not punch a hole in the
    sidewall. I would tell you about that stuff that you squirt
    into the tire to stop leaks, but I've never used it, and I'm
    unlikely to start. I've used the tire plug thingy a number of
    times in my life, and it always got me to where I needed to go
    to get a more permanent fix. I never leave home without it.

    Picked up the wheel today and was informed the problem was the
    valve core. I don't think a plug kit would help with that kind of
    problem, so should I also get a spare core or two to travel with?

    Wouldn't hurt. They don't take up much space.

    I assume the soapy water treatment would work to find a leaking
    valve too?

    Yep. Just water - or even beer - would probably work, too.

    --
    bill
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