https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from an extreme lack of woke.
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving
the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue at
the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the
problem.
for people to build their own affordable housing.
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on
the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with
some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that
force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to take
the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where they can
be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from >> an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a
very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving
the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue
at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins
we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the
problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being
done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality.
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on
the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing
predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with
some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some >> serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that
force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to
take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where
they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from
an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a
very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving
the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue
at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins
we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the
problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being
done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality.
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on
the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing
predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with
some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some
serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that
force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to
take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where
they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push
back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I
am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with
you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it.
In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of
the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere
else in this country.
TB
On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from >>> an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a
very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's
minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving
the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue
at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins
we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the
problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being
done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality.
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on
the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing
predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with
some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some >>> serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that
force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to
take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where
they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink >>> the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a
connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push
back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the
oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I
am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with
you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it.
In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of
the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere
else in this country.
TB
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:introduced into the lingua franca....
On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from
an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a
very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's
minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving
the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue
at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins
we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the >>>> problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being
done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality.
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on >>>> the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing
predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with
some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some >>>> serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that
force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to
take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where
they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and
minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a
connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been
removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push
back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have
played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the
oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have
played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I
am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with
you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever
ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it.
In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of
the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere
else in this country.
TB
So what? "Woke" is just a buzz word for moderate Fascists, sort of an invitation, (to hopefully?) a group rant, or maybe even a minor "hatefest"? The importance of "words meaning something", went out the door, soon as "alternative facts" were
Funk & Wagnalls Jr.
On 9/7/2022 5:45 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote: >>> On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from
an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a
very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's
minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving >>>>> the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue >>>>> at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins >>>>> we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the >>>>> problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being
done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality.
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on >>>>> the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing >>>>> predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with >>>>> some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some
serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that >>>>> force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to
take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where
they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and
minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a
connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been
removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push
back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>> played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the
oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>> played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I
am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with
you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever
ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it. >>> In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of
the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere
else in this country.
TB
So what? "Woke" is just a buzz word for moderate Fascists, sort of an
invitation, (to hopefully?) a group rant, or maybe even a minor
"hatefest"? The importance of "words meaning something", went out
the door, soon as "alternative facts" were introduced into the lingua franca....
Funk & Wagnalls Jr.
Hey, I'm an old fashioned sort of nut. Words have meaning. Jive
ass just throws shit out there hoping some of it will stick to the wall.
He's so dim witted that there is no way he can provide a logical
definition for woke. At best he might manage a circular definition that defines woke by the people he considers woke, without really telling us
what he thinks the word means. He really has no idea.
TB
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/2022 5:45 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote: >>>> On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from
an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a >>>>> very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's
minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving >>>>>> the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue >>>>>> at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins >>>>>> we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the >>>>>> problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being >>>>> done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality. >>>>>
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their >>>>> own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on >>>>>> the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing >>>>>> predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with >>>>>> some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some
serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that >>>>>> force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to >>>>>> take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where >>>>>> they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and >>>> minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a
connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been >>>> removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push
back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>>> played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the
oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>>> played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I >>>> am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with >>>> you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever
ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it. >>>> In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of >>>> the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere
else in this country.
TB
So what? "Woke" is just a buzz word for moderate Fascists, sort of an
invitation, (to hopefully?) a group rant, or maybe even a minor
"hatefest"? The importance of "words meaning something", went out
the door, soon as "alternative facts" were introduced into the lingua franca....
Funk & Wagnalls Jr.
Hey, I'm an old fashioned sort of nut. Words have meaning. Jive
ass just throws shit out there hoping some of it will stick to the wall.
He's so dim witted that there is no way he can provide a logical
definition for woke. At best he might manage a circular definition that
defines woke by the people he considers woke, without really telling us
what he thinks the word means. He really has no idea.
TB
I have no desire nor reason to try to define woke but I know the results when I see them. However… and as usual, you just used a lot of words to say nothing.
On 9/8/2022 9:15 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/2022 5:45 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 9/7/2022 3:25 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
On 9/7/2022 1:53 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:As usual, if there's a way to misunderstand the written word, you
On 9/7/2022 8:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/portland-residents-flee-as-homeless-fill-neighborhood-parks-crime-surges-infinite-final-straws/ar-AA11yL38?li=BBnb7Kz
Portland is a very White city and it has always suffered from
an extreme lack of woke.
Lack of woke? You have to be smoking something. And what has being a >>>>>> very white city have to do with homelessness? Are you implying it's >>>>>> minorities who are causing the problems?
Now that the homeless problem is affecting the
middle class I expect the politicians might get serious about solving >>>>>>> the problem. All 3 of the people running for governor have this issue >>>>>>> at the top of the list of things they're talking about. Whoever wins >>>>>>> we'll probably see a lot of money spent on things that don't solve the >>>>>>> problem.
Yeah, but throwing money at it makes it look like something is being >>>>>> done. That's all it takes to convince those who are blind to reality. >>>>>>
What they really need to do is change the laws so it's possible
for people to build their own affordable housing.
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their >>>>>> own homes, affordable or otherwise?
I don't expect to see
that happening anytime soon because that would have a serous effect on >>>>>>> the price of the homes the middle class owns. They're already hearing >>>>>>> predictions that housing prices are going down here soon, along with >>>>>>> some other markets scattered around the country.
Be careful what you wish for. A popular opinion, backed by some
serious money, and a long time popular solution, is to do things that >>>>>>> force the homeless people into other areas. Basically they want to >>>>>>> take the fascist approach. Force homeless people into places where >>>>>>> they can be controlled.
But hey, we have a lot of water and you can almost always drink
the stuff coming straight out of your tap. :-)
TB
find it. I did not say there was a connection between homelessness and >>>>> minority groups. There is, but that is not what I said. There is a
connection between really being woke and race.
"How “woke” became weaponized in the culture wars
"The term “woke” has its roots in Black culture but has since been >>>>> removed from this origin and been co-opted a symbol by those who push >>>>> back against social justice progress."
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>>>> played for a long time.
"'Woke' has been weaponized to label those fighting oppression the
oppressors
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2022/03/28/how-woke-became-weaponized-in-the-culture-wars/
Strategically changing the meaning of terms is a game conservatives have >>>>> played for a long time.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/woke-has-been-weaponized-label-those-fighting-oppression-oppressors-n1284129
In it's original meaning "woke" was a specific warning from Black
people to Black people, about the specific dangers they were facing. I >>>>> am far too White to be woke. And I'm not going to play word games with >>>>> you while you twist and distort the meaning of words to suit whatever >>>>> ridiculous shit your listening to today.
Portland has always had an extremely obvious problem with race.
That is not the root of the homeless problem here, but it is part of it. >>>>> In general Portland is not seriously "woke" in any realistic meaning of >>>>> the word. On average we probably have as much racism here as anywhere >>>>> else in this country.
TB
So what? "Woke" is just a buzz word for moderate Fascists, sort of an >>>> invitation, (to hopefully?) a group rant, or maybe even a minor
"hatefest"? The importance of "words meaning something", went out
the door, soon as "alternative facts" were introduced into the lingua franca....
Funk & Wagnalls Jr.
Hey, I'm an old fashioned sort of nut. Words have meaning. Jive
ass just throws shit out there hoping some of it will stick to the wall. >>> He's so dim witted that there is no way he can provide a logical
definition for woke. At best he might manage a circular definition that
defines woke by the people he considers woke, without really telling us
what he thinks the word means. He really has no idea.
TB
I have no desire nor reason to try to define woke but I know the results
when I see them. However… and as usual, you just used a lot of words to say
nothing.
In words you might be able to understand: Your subject line is
"The reality of Wokeness" and you can't even fucking tell us what that
is supposed to mean.
don't even know that it means? How is anyone supposed to discuss this if
we have no idea what you're trying to say? Maybe you should stick to
words you understand?
I'll give you an easy one that you *might* be able to handle? If Portland is so damn woke, tell us why you think Portland is "woke"?
Fair warning: This will also be an easy one to shoot down. For
example: an obvious answer: The BLM protests. At their maximum they
probably got somewhere around 50,000 people out on the streets out of
well over 3.000,000 people who could have easily gotten there using
public transportation. Once the riots started they were pulling less
than 5,000 on a good night. Like, for example, when #45 sent poorly
trained thugs who just made the situation worse. As it is across this
fair land the primary attitude here is and was staggering indifference.
"It's not my problem."
TB
They are homeless for a reason. How do you expect them to build their
own homes, affordable or otherwise?
Ah yes, the liberal foul language fall back position when you have nothing
of value or consequence to say.
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