• Cameras are too expensive

    From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 19:09:25 2022
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/

    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Mon Mar 28 12:46:30 2022
    On Mar 28, 2022, Alfred Molon wrote
    (in article <9Zl0K.22526$sMg.9558@fx06.ams1>):

    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoi
    nt-in-san-francisco/

    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    From the article: "Last year, a local news crew was robbed while filming an interview about robberies”.

    That reminds me of the time some years ago when I had my car stereo stolen while I was inside the State Farm office reporting the theft of the stereo I had just replaced.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Mon Mar 28 18:08:53 2022
    On 2022-03-28 13:09, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    For a film crew that's no more than a basic load of gear. Probably
    light at that.

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Tue Mar 29 11:23:12 2022
    On 2022-03-28, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/

    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    The thugs look very vibrant and diverse.

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Mar 29 11:25:00 2022
    On 2022-03-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-28 13:09, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    For a film crew that's no more than a basic load of gear. Probably
    light at that.

    I imagine they are not professionals. "Footage" implies video and I
    doubt $35k would cover a professional television camera and lens.

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  • From Dimitris Tzortzakakis@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 16:59:36 2022
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Dimitris Tzortzakakis on Tue Mar 29 16:12:40 2022
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Incubus on Wed Mar 30 09:21:26 2022
    On 30/03/2022 12:23 am, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-28, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/

    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    The thugs look very vibrant and diverse.


    And I'm sure (these or others of any background) would not know or
    understand if a camera (or lens) had some sort of security locking system.

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Incubus on Wed Mar 30 09:22:46 2022
    On 30/03/2022 5:12 am, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Yeah, Hitler would have put a stop to this, eh.

    geoff

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Incubus on Tue Mar 29 17:01:45 2022
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    Talking about Athens - they have (or had) worse issues.

    A favorite: You had to report that you had a pool so you could be taxed
    on the water. So ... nobody reported it.

    One day a civil servant discovered Google Earth and all hell broke loose...

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Incubus on Tue Mar 29 16:58:30 2022
    On 2022-03-29 07:25, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-28 13:09, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...

    For a film crew that's no more than a basic load of gear. Probably
    light at that.

    I imagine they are not professionals. "Footage" implies video and I
    doubt $35k would cover a professional television camera and lens.

    Possibly - OTOH a fellow I knew a while back told me the cost of a
    minimal pro news rig had plunged over the years. Smaller, lighter (less batteries!) and HD to boot.

    Some (many?) people still refer to digital video as "footage" and "filming".

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Wed Mar 30 00:45:41 2022
    On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 13:09:31 UTC-4, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/

    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

    Gov. brylcreem and his coven of progressives have "progressively" destroyed California cities. Or should i say, "tent cities."

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Mar 30 09:03:23 2022
    On 2022-03-29, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 30/03/2022 5:12 am, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap >>> on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Yeah, Hitler would have put a stop to this, eh.

    That's quite a reach. How tall is your stepladder?

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 30 09:05:24 2022
    On 2022-03-29, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap >>> on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    I'm not in the US.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld6qYJe4pRs

    Talking about Athens - they have (or had) worse issues.

    A favorite: You had to report that you had a pool so you could be taxed
    on the water. So ... nobody reported it.

    One day a civil servant discovered Google Earth and all hell broke loose...

    LOL

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Mar 31 15:02:43 2022
    On 2022-03-31, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 22:01:50 UTC+1, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <no...@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap >> >> on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.
    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    This isn't a sales tax like VAT. They have a similar thing there. This
    is more equivalent to the government asking you to tell them how many
    windows your house has so that you can be taxed on them.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Mar 31 07:32:34 2022
    On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 22:01:50 UTC+1, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <no...@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap >> on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.
    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.


    Talking about Athens - they have (or had) worse issues.

    A favorite: You had to report that you had a pool so you could be taxed
    on the water. So ... nobody reported it.

    If you ran a resturant in greece and it wasn't a finished building the VAT you could charge on food was reduced
    so buildings were never completed.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Mar 31 13:08:59 2022
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none)
    and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.

    If you ran a resturant in greece and it wasn't a finished building the VAT you could charge on food was reduced
    so buildings were never completed.

    I'm sure there are (or were) dozens of loopholes there. After their
    economic meltdown they were forced to straighten up a lot of the silliness.

    Here: if you go the grocery store and buy muffins, there is no VAT
    EXCEPT: if it is hot out of the oven, then it's considered served to eat
    at the store. VAT=15%.

    Farm fuel is not taxed (or is taxed less). It has a different colour as
    a result. I've actually seen Revenu Quebec inspectors on a two lane
    highway stopping cars coming out of a farming area and dipping into the
    tanks to check if these non farm cars had farm fuel in them. Must have
    been acting on a tip. Not sure what the fine is - probably steep.

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Mar 31 13:32:08 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-4, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 22:01:50 UTC+1, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <no...@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/


    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed >> off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a >> theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.
    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have to tell
    them what you have bought so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source when you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    That's kind of two political issues in one: the one is the lack of a VAT, and the other is the presence of a individual-based reporting system for what amount of taxes are due on individual income tax.

    For "No VAT", this is kind of half true: a lot of States have a VAT .. aka "Sales Tax".
    So from one perspective, there's probably some who don't want to have a VAT imposed by both Fed & State levels. Likewise, there's probably capitalistic lobbying groups who argue that a Fed VAT would reduce consumption, so its
    a 'bad idea'. FYI, this broad statement of 'no Fed VAT' has exceptions, such as Federal "excise" taxes which are effectively a VAT which target some specific line of goods -- taxes on fuel (gasoline, diesel) for example.

    For individual income taxes, there's probably three main reason why it is a self-
    report system as opposed to the Government knowing everything that there is
    to know about your income sources to calculate what's due.

    First one is that a lot of the public would consider it to be creepy & a privacy violation.

    Second is that there's a whole industry who benefits as tax preparers when the tax code
    is very complex. Companies like H&R Block have lobbied Congress to leave it complex.

    Third, there's decades of tax loopholes which have been created to benefit other
    specific interest groups who lobby Congress to give them a tax break, and they benefit from not just the loophole, but because the system is a "push", it gives them
    the initiative on how the tax code gets interpreted: this puts the Government legally
    on the defense, so the client's lawyer's tax code interpretation usually beats the Government.
    Functionally, this expands small loopholes into huge ones that you can drive a train through.

    -hh

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Apr 1 10:49:15 2022
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none)
    and many counties have additional sales taxes.  It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen.  It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.

    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    geoff

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Apr 1 04:25:06 2022
    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 18:09:06 UTC+1, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.
    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none)
    and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.

    Here in the UK virtually everything you buy includes any tax.
    You you order from say the Apple store and buy an iphone, tax is already included in the price.

    I thought that if I was in the USA and ordered an iPhone I wouldn;t be charged TAX at source of purchase.
    But would need to inform the IRA or someone that I bought a phone.



    If you ran a resturant in greece and it wasn't a finished building the VAT you could charge on food was reduced
    so buildings were never completed.
    I'm sure there are (or were) dozens of loopholes there. After their
    economic meltdown they were forced to straighten up a lot of the silliness.

    Here: if you go the grocery store and buy muffins, there is no VAT
    EXCEPT: if it is hot out of the oven, then it's considered served to eat
    at the store. VAT=15%.

    We sort of have that too.

    Farm fuel is not taxed (or is taxed less). It has a different colour as
    a result. I've actually seen Revenu Quebec inspectors on a two lane
    highway stopping cars coming out of a farming area and dipping into the
    tanks to check if these non farm cars had farm fuel in them. Must have
    been acting on a tip. Not sure what the fine is - probably steep.

    Same here it''s called red diesel I think doubt you'll find it in large cities at the pumps.

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to geoff on Fri Apr 1 04:31:19 2022
    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:49:30 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none) and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.
    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    I thought the USA had 50 states where the drinking age and the age of sexual consent
    and even marriage was differnt between them, what I thought was more confusing is that you can marry
    below the age of consent.



    geoff

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  • From Tony Cooper@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Fri Apr 1 09:35:52 2022
    On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 04:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:49:30 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none) >> > and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.
    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    I thought the USA had 50 states where the drinking age and the age of sexual consent
    and even marriage was differnt between them, what I thought was more confusing is that you can marry
    below the age of consent.

    The Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution states: "The powers not
    delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by
    it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the
    people."

    That means that if there is no federal law in place, that any state
    can pass a state law to cover that subject. Because there was no
    federal law in place regarding the above subjects, each state was able
    to craft laws regarding those subjects. And, the subject of sales tax
    which also seems to bother your countrymen. There is no requirement
    for the different states to draft laws that are comparable to the laws
    in the other states.

    We live in a world where large land masses are divided into different
    areas where the laws, and even the languages, are different. English
    laws are different from Scottish laws, the laws in France are
    different from the laws in Italy, and so on. Yet, you are confused
    that this land mass has similar divides because this particular land
    mass is one country.

    Whether it's Europe or the United States, there is some historical
    reason the divides have occured. In our case, it's our Constitution.

    We understand that this can confuse you. We find some of your
    practices to be confusing, too. Please feel free to wonder about,
    complain, or discuss how we are different. Just don't think we
    actually give a damn that you are confused or in disagreement.









    --

    Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

    I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to geoff on Fri Apr 1 10:57:36 2022
    On 2022-03-31 17:49, geoff wrote:
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or
    none) and many counties have additional sales taxes.  It's a morass -
    why VAT in the US is not likely to ever happen.  It would take forever
    to decouple county taxes from state from federal.

    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    Each Canadian province has its own tax regime, usually integrated with
    the federal 5% VAT in some way or another. Thus when a business pays
    its VAT differential (tax collected minus taxes paid on G&S (for ea.
    tax)), it does so to the province and the province forwards the federal
    share to the feds (and this chain runs longer, but I won't get into it...).

    In Europe I've never seen anything but the 1 VAT (per country). Well,
    you don't "see" it much as it's integrated into the sticker price.

    Here the sticker price is pre-tax. (Except gasoline/diesel).

    And today our carbon tax on gasoline and diesel goes up about 2.2
    ¢/Litre. ($50/tonne of CO2).

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Apr 1 11:00:51 2022
    On 2022-04-01 07:25, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 18:09:06 UTC+1, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.
    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none)
    and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.

    Here in the UK virtually everything you buy includes any tax.
    You you order from say the Apple store and buy an iphone, tax is already included in the price.

    I thought that if I was in the USA and ordered an iPhone I wouldn;t be charged TAX at source of purchase.
    But would need to inform the IRA or someone that I bought a phone.

    Different states - different laws. I don't recall any that would give
    you a tax break on a retail purchase for out of state though.

    When you leave Canada, non-Canadian residents can bring all of their
    receipts to a "tax window" at the airport and have refunds on some of
    the sales taxes they paid while in-country. I don't recall if that is
    only GST (federal) or if it includes provincial VAT.

    If you ran a resturant in greece and it wasn't a finished building the VAT you could charge on food was reduced
    so buildings were never completed.
    I'm sure there are (or were) dozens of loopholes there. After their
    economic meltdown they were forced to straighten up a lot of the silliness. >>
    Here: if you go the grocery store and buy muffins, there is no VAT
    EXCEPT: if it is hot out of the oven, then it's considered served to eat
    at the store. VAT=15%.

    We sort of have that too.

    Farm fuel is not taxed (or is taxed less). It has a different colour as
    a result. I've actually seen Revenu Quebec inspectors on a two lane
    highway stopping cars coming out of a farming area and dipping into the
    tanks to check if these non farm cars had farm fuel in them. Must have
    been acting on a tip. Not sure what the fine is - probably steep.

    Same here it''s called red diesel I think doubt you'll find it in large cities at the pumps.

    --
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    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Apr 1 11:04:30 2022
    On 2022-04-01 07:31, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:49:30 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none) >>> and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.
    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    I thought the USA had 50 states where the drinking age and the age of sexual consent
    and even marriage was differnt between them, what I thought was more confusing is that you can marry
    below the age of consent.

    US States have Interstate Highways. To get that subsidy from the
    federal government, states have to set the drinking age at 21.
    All states have Interstates. Including Hawaii...

    Military bases, however, have 18 (I think) as the drinking age. Old
    enough to get shot, old enough to drink.

    This idiotic law means that Americans sneak around and become party
    binging idiots before they enter university and eventually become judges
    on the Supreme Court.

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Fri Apr 1 12:48:12 2022
    In article <DsE1K.509071$mF2.327469@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    Different states - different laws. I don't recall any that would give
    you a tax break on a retail purchase for out of state though.

    some do.

    <https://dor.wa.gov/file-pay-taxes/apply-tax-refund/state-sales-tax-refu nd-qualified-nonresidents>
    If you are a resident of one of the following states, U.S.
    possession, or Canadian provinces or territory, you may be able
    to apply for a Washington state sales tax refund. The state portion
    of the sales tax is 6.5%.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Apr 2 11:58:20 2022
    On 2/04/2022 12:31 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:49:30 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 1/04/2022 6:08 am, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2022-03-31 10:32, Whisky-dave wrote:

    I dio find the states a bit confusing (being from the UK) where you
    have tpo tell them what you have bought
    so you can be taxed on it, in the UK you are taxed at source wheh you
    purchase something seems to be fairer on everyone.

    Not sure what you mean, but each state has its own sales taxes (or none) >>> and many counties have additional sales taxes. It's a morass - why VAT
    in the US is not likely to ever happen. It would take forever to
    decouple county taxes from state from federal.
    Many (most ?) countries don't have 'states' with separate laws and
    taxes. Makes things much more straightforward ....

    I thought the USA had 50 states where the drinking age and the age of sexual consent
    and even marriage was differnt between them, what I thought was more confusing is that you can marry
    below the age of consent.



    geoff

    And some states it's compulsory to marry your cousin !

    geoff

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  • From Dimitris Tzortzakakis@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 22 16:20:30 2022
    Στις 30/3/2022 12:01 π.μ., ο/η Alan Browne έγραψε:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/



    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed
    off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a
    theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon crap >>> on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    Talking about Athens - they have (or had) worse issues.

    A favorite:  You had to report that you had a pool so you could be taxed
    on the water.  So ... nobody reported it.

    One day a civil servant discovered Google Earth and all hell broke loose...

    Our least concern are pools. The main problem in Greece is that we
    although have perfect laws, these laws aren't enforced. So many people
    with the depression have gone below the poor limit, that there are
    deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning, which hasn't happened since the
    '60s, with people who can't afford any kind of heating, and are so
    desperate to get warm, they use mangals, little pots with burning coal.
    They don't know you have to keep a door open and the get carbon monoxide poisoning. There are even fires reported from the same reason. There are
    many beggars, homeless and so on even in my city, Iraklion which didn't
    have any of this in the '80s for instance. The problem is the state
    thinks the citizens are crooks and hiding income and possesions, and the citizens think the state is ripping them off, with poll taxes and
    generally taxing the hell out of them. Back on topic, when I go to
    Athens (on boat) I think I will only get my compact camera, I don't want
    to be a thief target, even on the boat... (The boat trip is long that
    you sleep on the boat, either on coach seats for the cheapest ticket or
    in a cabin for more expensive).

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  • From Dimitris Tzortzakakis@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 22 16:30:14 2022
    Στις 22/4/2022 4:20 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:
    Στις 30/3/2022 12:01 π.μ., ο/η Alan Browne έγραψε:
    On 2022-03-29 12:12, Incubus wrote:
    On 2022-03-29, Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> wrote:
    Στις 28/3/2022 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Alfred Molon έγραψε:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/03/28/camera-crew-robbed-of-35000-in-gear-at-gunpoint-in-san-francisco/



    $35,000 worth of camera equipment...
    Bummer! Also the center of Athens is notorious for people being robbed >>>> off expensive gear... I'm a member in a forum and almost every month a >>>> theft is being reported. The last time they said him there's pigeon
    crap
    on your head and they took his camera, even from cars they take them
    .Someone was stabbed to death for a 200 euros camcorder....

    Democrat policies in action.

    Silly conclusion - but that puts you in with a lot of people making
    silly conclusions in the US.

    Talking about Athens - they have (or had) worse issues.

    A favorite:  You had to report that you had a pool so you could be
    taxed on the water.  So ... nobody reported it.

    One day a civil servant discovered Google Earth and all hell broke
    loose...

    Our least concern are pools. The main problem in Greece is that we
    although have perfect laws, these laws aren't enforced. So many people
    with the depression have gone below the poor limit, that there are
    deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning, which hasn't happened since the
    '60s, with people who can't afford any kind of heating, and are so
    desperate to get warm, they use mangals, little pots with burning coal.
    They don't know you have to keep a door open and the get carbon monoxide poisoning. There are even fires reported from the same reason. There are
    many beggars, homeless and so on even in my city, Iraklion which didn't
    have any of this in the '80s for instance. The problem is the state
    thinks the citizens are crooks and hiding income and possesions, and the citizens think the state is ripping them off, with poll taxes and
    generally taxing the hell out of them. Back on topic, when I go to
    Athens (on boat) I think I will only get my compact camera, I don't want
    to be a thief target, even on the boat... (The boat trip is long that
    you sleep on the boat, either on coach seats for the cheapest ticket or
    in a cabin for more expensive).

    BTW check out this photo I think it's one of my good ones. In the same
    flickr account you can find exactly the same photo taken with a film
    camera so you can make direct comparisons. https://www.flickr.com/photos/167258532@N02/52021885679/in/dateposted-public/

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