It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
On 6/04/2022 5:27 am, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
Lovely. Will be nicer still when those smoke-stacks come down. Or a
local treasure ?
Do these videos have stabilisation (etc) done in post, or is the raw
actually that steady and level ?
And have you ever got 'lost' ?
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
Am 05.04.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Savageduck:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
This is better than previous videos because it's more 3D (that big Morro
bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures). Also, approaching things from the sea is a good idea.
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 9:03:13 PM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
Kind of mysterious that the link (with the %20 in the url) referred to at the start
of that groups.google thread does load in both safari and chrome on my ipad mini..
but it refuses to load on the win10 pc in chrome.
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:THANK YOU :-D
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ >>
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation, filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:THANK YOU :-D
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ >>>
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation, filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
Does Chrome work now too?
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject properly encoded ones?
HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation, filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!Does Chrome work now too?
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject properly encoded ones?
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation, >>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation, >>>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive though!
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>> here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject >>>> properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
"[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
(including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they >>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your >>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the >>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some >>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject >>>>>> properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before. >>>
through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or >>> typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to >>> delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should >>> always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other >>> systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might >>> follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because >>> gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~", >>> "[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding." >>>
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is >>> reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";", >>> "/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may >>> be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not >>> true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and >>> reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
(including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific >>> part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
answered any better than it already has.
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your >>>>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the >>>>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some >>>>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they >>>>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing >>>>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding >>>>> necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and >>>>> insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or >>>>> typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs. >>>>> The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the >>>>> delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other >>>>> systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for >>>>> encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify >>>>> such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~", >>>>> "[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For >>>>> example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in >>>>> systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that >>>>> does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning: >>>>> their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is >>>>> reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be >>>>> reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a >>>>> particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and >>>>> reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used >>>>> unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded >>>>> (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific >>>>> part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved >>>>> purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive >>>>>> though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
I saw... I also saw you ignore public conversation in lieu of your paranoia... AGAIN.
No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing >>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
answered any better than it already has.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive.
It's been explained how that would take place.
Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
What are you suggesting, that you, and you alone, have an iCloud setting
bug? Contact Apple if you believe that's so.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge.
Didn't he say he wasn't 'up' on the 'iCloud thing'? In any event, beyond
what has already been explained, unless he sat with you (and saw you inadvertently do it) he's not going to be able to help you.
Although he's not an Apple man of long-standing, he may have been able
to suggest what may have occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
If it contains you 'doing what you do' I'll confine it to ACW.
Why don't you just ask WD directly? But then, even after you get
essentially the same response you've already been given you'll ignore it because it's not conducive to you 'doing what you do' <shrug>.
In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
Where did you get the videos initially?
On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my >>>>> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
Where did you get the videos initially?
I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is >>>>>>>>>>>> a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the >>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some >>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject >>>>> properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they
cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing
through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should >> always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
"[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";", >> "/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
(including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
Where did you get the videos initially?
I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links >> pop up a save dialog?
No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!
On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lqY1L.1354591$YC96.67027@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my >>>>>> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
Where did you get the videos initially?
I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links pop up a save dialog?
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my >>>>> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to configured to back up to
iCloud.
I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has defaults that get set up
when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.
On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they >>>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing >>>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your >>>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the >>>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some >>>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject >>>>>>> properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before. >>>>
necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or >>>> typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs. >>>> The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the >>>> delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to >>>> delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other >>>> systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might >>>> follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because >>>> gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify >>>> such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~", >>>> "[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that >>>> does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding." >>>>
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning: >>>> their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is >>>> reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may >>>> be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not >>>> true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a >>>> particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and >>>> reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded >>>> (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific >>>> part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
answered any better than it already has.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote: >>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject >> properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive though!
Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to configured to back up to iCloud.
I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive.
It has defaults that get set up when you install/activate it and I
noticed similar behavior.
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the >>>>>>> iCloud
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks >>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way >>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it >>>>>>>>>>> to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in >>>>>>>>>> my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? But >>>>>>>>> how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a video >>>>>>>>> does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you >>>>>>>>> have you cache set there... something like that. But then it would >>>>>>>>> be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when I >>>>>> viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with the >>>>>> laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to trust
the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks >>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their >>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell >>>>>>>>>> it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show >>>>>>>>> up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? >>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a >>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere.
Maybe if you have you cache set there... something like that.
But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when
I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with
the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud >>>>>>>>>>> Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show >>>>>>>>>>> up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same
videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to >>>>>>>>>> watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or
elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there... something >>>>>>>>>> like that. But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>>
the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned
when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which
came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:Does Chrome work now too?
On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
Does it play for you?
https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
THANK YOU :-D
For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of >>>>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation,
filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your >>>>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the >>>>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some >>>>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they >>>>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing >>>>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding >>>>> necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and >>>>> insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or >>>>> typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs. >>>>> The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the >>>>> delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other >>>>> systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for >>>>> encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify >>>>> such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~", >>>>> "[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For >>>>> example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in >>>>> systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that >>>>> does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning: >>>>> their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is >>>>> reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters ";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be >>>>> reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a >>>>> particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and >>>>> reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used >>>>> unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded >>>>> (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific >>>>> part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved >>>>> purpose.
FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive >>>>>> though!
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing >>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
answered any better than it already has.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to configured to back up to
iCloud.
I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has defaults that get set up
when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the >>>>>>>>> iCloud
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up >>>>>>>>>>>> in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? >>>>>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a >>>>>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe >>>>>>>>>>> if you have you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>>>
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when I >>>>>>>> viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with the >>>>>>>> laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody >>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to trust >>>> the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD move >>> malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main hard drive >>> of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in >>>>>>>>>> the iCloud
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link >>>>>>>>>>>> to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or >>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there...
something like that. But then it would be other files. >>>>>>>>>>>>
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>>>>
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned >>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which >>>>>>>>> came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with
nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen
COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto
the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system). >>>>
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
machine scan MS OneDrive?
As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
effect, it's a secret hiding place!
A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows >>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
effect, it's a secret hiding place!
A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
Does that mean anything to you?
Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
=
For relaxation, I've made this:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the >>>>>>>>>>> iCloud
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? >>>>>>>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a >>>>>>>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe if you have you cache set there... something like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>>>>>
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when >>>>>>>>>> I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with >>>>>>>>>> the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody >>>>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to >>>>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD >>>>> move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main >>>>> hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
Please comment.
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there... something like that. But then it would be other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are
exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it >>>>>>>>>>>> in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned >>>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS >>>>>>>>>>> which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO. >>>>>>>>>>
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have >>>>>>> to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen
COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto
the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating
system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
On 14/10/2022 22:37, Snit wrote:
On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or >>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted? >>
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
Spot-on Snit! :-D
I just KNEW you would find the answer/evidence!
On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1342965@fx14.ams1>:
On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been >>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows >>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
effect, it's a secret hiding place!
A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
The icons could have looked different.
They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
Does that mean anything to you?
Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them. Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
=
For relaxation, I've made this:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
Well done!
Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
You were winging it.
On 14/10/2022 21:37, Snit wrote:
On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1342965@fx14.ams1>:
On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been >>>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows >>>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In >>>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up >>>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go >>>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
Who knows?!! Changed quite often by me as a matter of my policy!
I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
The icons could have looked different.
But they didn't.
They looked like this, as I've said before:- https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
Does that mean anything to you?
Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them. >> Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
Interesting. Thank you.
=
For relaxation, I've made this:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
Well done!
Thanks.
Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
You were winging it.
I was! :-D (But you did help me back-along!)
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the iCloud
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there... something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that. But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which >>>>>>>>>>>> came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody >>>>>>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to >>>>>>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD >>>>>>> move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main >>>>>>> hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or >>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted? >>
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
*ROTFLSTC*
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen >>>>>>>> COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link to watch a video does not save files, to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set there... something like that. But then it would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was
mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about the >>>>>>>>>>>>> new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal >>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>
A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would
have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do. >>>>>>>>
onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the
operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will. >>>>
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan
it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures
or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to >>>>>>>>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that. But then it would be other files. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen >>>>>>>>> COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto >>>>>>>>> the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating >>>>>>>>> system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will. >>>>>
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware >>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it. >>>>>
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or >>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient
acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to
scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures
or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from
Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's
hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud Drive.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to
scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from
Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's
hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security. >>
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <qyu2L.1443677$pI23.523383@fx07.ams1>:
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
Drive.
If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be removed from online storage.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even without you opening it.
On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <G4A2L.659025$MEGf.18408@fx03.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it. >>>>>>
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from >>>> Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's
hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security. >>>
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive (though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware doing this?
On 15/10/2022 16:39, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qyu2L.1443677$pI23.523383@fx07.ams1>:
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud >>> Drive.
If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you >> phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
Yes, of course.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be
removed from online storage.
Oh my!
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even
without you opening it.
Again, you are misunderstanding. :-(
On 15/10/2022 16:40, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf.18408@fx03.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be >>>>>>> encrypted?
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it. >>>>>>>
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that >>>>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from >>>>> Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's
hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive
(though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware
doing this?
I'm not doing well getting my point across!!! :-(
If malware is able to hide on one's iCloud Drive it can survive the
complete erasure
of a computer's hard drive(s) or even the replacement of the complete computer.
When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen >>>>>>>>>>> COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto >>>>>>>>>>> the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating >>>>>>>>>>> system).
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have >>>>>>>>>>>> to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do. >>>>>>>>>>>
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there... something like that. But then it would be other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome. >>>>>>>>>
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan >>>>>>> it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or >>>>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add items >>> to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that 'someone' >>> with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud Drive.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple security
scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It also remains >>> there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security. >>
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple iCloud Drive?
On Oct 15, 2022 at 9:55:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <qCB2L.890202$9f26.745824@fx09.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 16:40, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf.18408@fx03.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial >>>>>>>>>> anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it. >>>>>>>>
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be >>>>>>>> encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra >>>>>> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add >>>>>> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that >>>>>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from >>>>>> Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's >>>>>> hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive
(though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware
doing this?
I'm not doing well getting my point across!!! :-(
If malware is able to hide on one's iCloud Drive it can survive the
complete erasure
of a computer's hard drive(s) or even the replacement of the complete
computer.
Right. Just like if you had it on an external drive not connected to your machine.
When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
How?
On Oct 15, 2022 at 10:00:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <DGB2L.890203$9f26.699295@fx09.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 16:39, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qyu2L.1443677$pI23.523383@fx07.ams1>:
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud >>>> Drive.
If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you
phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
Yes, of course.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It >>>> also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be >>> removed from online storage.
Oh my!
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even >>> without you opening it.
Again, you are misunderstanding. :-(
So what is the issue? You had files on your drive years ago which you do not recall putting there, but the only explanation is you or someone with access to your devices did. You are somehow tying this to another service and another
Usenet group. I did not understand that connection. Seems you or maybe, if she
has access, your wife put some files on your iCloud drive.
Can you explain what I am missing?
David Brooks explained on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my
iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that?
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have you cache set there... something like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>> Drive back onto the main hard drive of a computer
(Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the >>>>>>>>>> outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted
file will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial
anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for
signatures or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can
then scan it.
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain
sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my
iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden
from Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's
hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at
security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
;https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
Yes, but you would have to have malicious activity on the computer you
use to access that storage in order for there to be that activity. The scanners should not change or add data to the drive.
It's like an external harddrive with everything on it encrypted. For something to move malicious material onto it would need the right
(write) local privilege level. For the other direction it would need the right privilege level to 'read' the data so as to decrypt the data and
scan the data for malware locally.
You seem to 'want' to have a plausible scenario (rationalization) for distrusting those AM tools that you mistrust. Suffice it to say that
malware or tools with adequate privilege can do anything the user can
do. If you can put something somewhere, it can put something somewhere;
if you can take something from somewhere, it can take something from somewhere.
On 15/10/2022 19:39, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 9:55:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qCB2L.890202$9f26.745824@fx09.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 16:40, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf.18408@fx03.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
David Brooks submitted this idea :My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial >>>>>>>>>>> anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it. >>>>>>>>>
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be >>>>>>>>> encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra >>>>>>> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add >>>>>>> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that >>>>>>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my >>>>>>> iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from >>>>>>> Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware
scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's >>>>>>> hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple >>>>> iCloud Drive?
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive >>>> (though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware
doing this?
I'm not doing well getting my point across!!! :-(
If malware is able to hide on one's iCloud Drive it can survive the
complete erasure
of a computer's hard drive(s) or even the replacement of the complete
computer.
Right. Just like if you had it on an external drive not connected to your
machine.
Yes!
When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
How?
The same way a thumb drive, with installed malware, can infect a
computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
On 15/10/2022 19:38, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 10:00:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<DGB2L.890203$9f26.699295@fx09.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 16:39, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qyu2L.1443677$pI23.523383@fx07.ams1>:
What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight >>>>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be >>>>>>> encrypted?
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that >>>>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud >>>>> Drive.
If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you
phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
Yes, of course.
Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It >>>>> also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be >>>> removed from online storage.
Oh my!
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even >>>> without you opening it.
Again, you are misunderstanding. :-(
So what is the issue? You had files on your drive years ago which you do not >> recall putting there, but the only explanation is you or someone with access >> to your devices did. You are somehow tying this to another service and another
Usenet group. I did not understand that connection. Seems you or maybe, if she
has access, your wife put some files on your iCloud drive.
Can you explain what I am missing?
My wife never comes near my computer and she has her own iCloud drive!
Just suppose ........ someone like Dustin attacked your (now bricked)
iMac.
In process, he put something malicious onto you personal iCloud
Drive (because he'd already snaffled your Apple ID and password!). You
can no longer use your iMac.
You get a replacement computer which you connect to the Internet. For simplicity, you keep your same Apple ID and password. A clever visitor
to your new computer could then extract the malicious item from your
iCloud Drive and infect your new computer.
The chances are good that you
would never ever know about it.
My understanding is that sophisticated malware can, and does, protect
itself from being found. HOW it does so, I do not know.
HTH
Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tidd6q$a6si$1@solani.org>:
Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
*ROTFLSTC*
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
I do not have to prove anything.
On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote <tidd6q$a6si$1@solani.org>:
Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
*ROTFLSTC*
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote <tidd6q$a6si$1@solani.org>:
*ROTFLSTC*
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:12:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <FuE2L.1354782$YC96.317594@fx12.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 19:39, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 9:55:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qCB2L.890202$9f26.745824@fx09.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 16:40, Snit wrote:
On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf.18408@fx03.ams1>:
On 15/10/2022 11:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote on 10/15/2022 :
On 15/10/2022 00:33, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that David Brooks formulated :What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain >>>>>>>>>> sight on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT >>>>>>>>>> be encrypted?
On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks wrote :
On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks brought next idea :
On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you told macos to automatically sync files to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icloud.
Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found their way onto my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
*HOW* do you think I did that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tell it to do.
Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same videos? But how are these things connected? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cache set there... something like that. But then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
I am missing something.
Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause the
soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the iCloud
drives of those who view it.
So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned when I viewed some of the presentations about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new OS which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big deal IMO.
Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive.
It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
Just a thought.
Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acumen COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back onto the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
No, I said privilege.
Please explain why that subtle difference would change the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome.
Thanks.
Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file >>>>>>>>>>>>> will.
You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial >>>>>>>>>>>> anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to >>>>>>>>>>>> scan it.
Please comment.
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures >>>>>>>>>>> or nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it. >>>>>>>>>>
You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Thanks, FTR. :-D
I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra >>>>>>>> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add >>>>>>>> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that >>>>>>>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my >>>>>>>> iCloud Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from >>>>>>>> Apple security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware >>>>>>>> scanners. It also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's >>>>>>>> hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
Physical access to the machine often trumps all other attempts at >>>>>>> security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've heard that said before!
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE >>>>>> and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple >>>>>> iCloud Drive?
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive >>>>> (though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of >>>>> malware doing this?
I'm not doing well getting my point across!!! :-(
If malware is able to hide on one's iCloud Drive it can survive the
complete erasure
of a computer's hard drive(s) or even the replacement of the complete
computer.
Right. Just like if you had it on an external drive not connected to your >>> machine.
Yes!
When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
How?
The same way a thumb drive, with installed malware, can infect a
computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
The USB standard has vulnerabilities I do not think iCloud does.
Joerg Lorenz explained :
I do not have to prove anything.
We don't have to believe unsubstantiated claims.
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption
many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption
Which ones?
How dopes it become transparent.
Apple is not credible in
claiming end-to-end encyption.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be >>>>> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
How?
The same way a thumb drive, with installed malware, can infect a
computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
The USB standard has vulnerabilities I do not think iCloud does.
ITYM no 'features' like autorun/autoplay to deal with.
Yes, it is so
annoying to have to push an additional button or two to play my movies
and video games after I plug them into the USB sockets.
Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tidd6q$a6si$1@solani.org>:
Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
*ROTFLSTC*
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
I do not have to prove anything.
Apple is obliged to substantiate which
services have full and transparent End-to-end encryption. They don't and
they can't.
Am 16.10.22 um 13:34 schrieb FromTheRafters:
Joerg Lorenz explained :
I do not have to prove anything.
We don't have to believe unsubstantiated claims.
You are a Troll: In the case of security the reversal of evidence applies.
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption
Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in claiming end-to-end encyption.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
Am 16.10.22 um 22:23 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 9:12:56 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tihai8$bn9o$1@solani.org>:
Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption
Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
claiming end-to-end encyption.
I would suggest they are more credible you suggesting they do not.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
You are asking to be trusted.
Your choice.
In article <tihai8$bn9o$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
On Oct 16, 2022 at 9:12:56 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote <tihai8$bn9o$1@solani.org>:
Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption
Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
claiming end-to-end encyption.
I would suggest they are more credible you suggesting they do not.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
You are asking to be trusted.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
Certainly they do.
Am 16.10.22 um 18:47 schrieb nospam:
In article <tihai8$bn9o$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
Certainly they do.
In article <tiicaq$c7mt$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
Certainly they do.
they don't, nor can they, by design.
Am 17.10.22 um 06:35 schrieb Snit:
Evidence?
Fanboy?
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
Evidence?
On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
Am 16.10.22 um 22:22 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
A Due Diligence by an independent, non-government and non-profit
organization outside the USA.
"Certified by the NSA" is certainly not sufficient.
*ROTFLSTC*
On Oct 16, 2022 at 11:18:01 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote <tiis2q$cuj0$1@solani.org>:
Am 16.10.22 um 22:22 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service. >>>What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
A Due Diligence by an independent, non-government and non-profit
organization outside the USA.
"Certified by the NSA" is certainly not sufficient.
*ROTFLSTC*
So really not likely to accept anything as sufficient. Fair enough.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Am 17.10.22 um 08:31 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 11:18:01 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tiis2q$cuj0$1@solani.org>:
Am 16.10.22 um 22:22 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service. >>>>What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
A Due Diligence by an independent, non-government and non-profit
organization outside the USA.
"Certified by the NSA" is certainly not sufficient.
*ROTFLSTC*
So really not likely to accept anything as sufficient. Fair enough.
Learn to read and learn to understand what you read.
You obviously do not understand the message.
Am 17.10.22 um 08:31 schrieb Snit:
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot >> use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Your signature sucks.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
On Oct 16, 2022 at 11:36:06 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote <tiit4m$cvcl$2@solani.org>:
Am 17.10.22 um 08:31 schrieb Snit:
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Your signature sucks.
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly
hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly
hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly
hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of >>> much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear
others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one
thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly
hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Am 17.10.22 um 06:35 schrieb Snit:
Evidence?
Fanboy?
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good
reminder of much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to
tear others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is
one thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly >>>> hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of >>>>> much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear >>>>> others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one >>>>> thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly >>>>> hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
Certainly they do.
they don't, nor can they, by design.
They do by design:
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
In article <tiionc$ctbv$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such >>>>>> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The >>>>>> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is >>>>>> broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
Certainly they do.
they don't, nor can they, by design.
They do by design:
nope. in fact, they go well out of their way so that they *can't*.
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
perhaps read it first.
Apple is trying to calm fears by baking in privacy through multiple
layers of encryption, fashioned in a way that requires multiple steps
before it ever makes it into the hands of Apple¹s final manual review. ...
The results are uploaded to Apple but cannot be read on their own.
Apple uses another cryptographic principle called threshold secret
sharing that allows it only to decrypt the contents if a user crosses
a threshold of known child abuse imagery in their iCloud Photos
the entire design is so that apple *can't* scan photos.
the images are matched locally, much like anti-malware apps and email
spam filtering works.
*if* and only if a threshold is met, there's probable cause that the
user has csam material and then and only then, does apple look at the relevant photos (not the entire photo library) which have been visually degraded to obscure the content but can still be matched to known csam.
that's very different than what google, facebook, microsoft, etc.,
does, who can see every photo uploaded in the clear. not only do they
scan them for csam, but also to data mine its contents of the photos, including location (to know where you travel), type of photo (sports,
family, scenery, animals, etc.) and face recognition on the people in
them to build a social graph.
that's a lot more invasive, which apple does not (nor cannot) do.
On a slightly different tack, does Apple scan material on its iCloud for malicious material? Viruses, Trojans and other malware?
If so, is one's iCloud Drive EXEMPT from such scans?
Perhaps you don't know. This is, I realise, digging quite deep.
Any help will be appreciated. TIA
Am 17.10.22 um 09:02 schrieb Snit:
On Oct 16, 2022 at 11:36:06 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tiit4m$cvcl$2@solani.org>:
Am 17.10.22 um 08:31 schrieb Snit:
--Your signature sucks.
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow >>>> superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. >>>
Your opinion has been noted. Personally I think it is a good reminder of much
of what we see in too many Usenet groups. People too often try to tear others
down, largely because they do not feel good about themselves. It is one thing
to note specific inappropriate behavior, but so many people are clearly
hurting.
Reduce it to 72 characters per line.
No.
I will do that for you.
In article <n0d3L.1504358$YC96.523585@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On a slightly different tack, does Apple scan material on its iCloud for
malicious material? Viruses, Trojans and other malware?
If so, is one's iCloud Drive EXEMPT from such scans?
you unhealthy obsession with malware continues.
Perhaps you don't know. This is, I realise, digging quite deep.
i do and it isn't.
Any help will be appreciated. TIA
you're beyond help.
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works.
On Oct 17, 2022 at 7:43:31 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tijpmj$cuma$1@solani.org>:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works.
There are also a lot of people on Usenet who use the semi-anonymous nature and
the fact there is no way to block them (in most cases) as a way to just get their jollies attacking people. It is a shame there is that side to humanity.
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
pothead" wrote in message news:ti9vtr$1sfkq$1@dont-email.me...
Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
configured to back up to iCloud.
I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive.
It has defaults that get set up when you install/activate it and I
noticed similar behavior.
Yes, One Drive on first use(never having signed in, oobe use) will configure Backup for:
- Desktop, Documents, Pictures located your specific Windows user logon C:\\Users\<windows logon>
...but, to do so, user intervention is necessary and with acceptance to
occur
- i.e. a screen prompt showing the Backup windows with each of those
folder options needs to be 'Ok'd'
The other direction available is not 'up' to the MSA's OneDrive(cloud)
- It's from OneDrive online down to the local stored OneDrive folder Again...user intervention is necessary to configure what syncs down
OneDrive does not have settings for applications/apps that integrate
with OneDrive. Those applications have their own OneDrive
'save-to-cloud' settings.
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works.
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works.
They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh
no, this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it!
My eyes can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
On 20/10/2022 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the >>>> rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works. >>
no, this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it!
My eyes can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
Thanks for popping in! :-D
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD <HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> >>> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works.
They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh no, this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it! My eyes can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Commander Kinsey has brought this to us :
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh no, >> this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it! My eyes >> can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that the >>>> rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still works. >>
Antisocial behavior, color me surprised.
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure it's >> easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:26:51 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that
the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still
works.
They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh >>> no, this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it!
My eyes can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
Thanks for popping in! :-D
This is a now a 40" monitor, so the 72 character jerks piss me off even
more, all that over there is white space!! ---->
My eyesight is normal, so I can in fact jump from the end of line 7 to
the beginning of line 8 across a 40" screen without a thought. Anybody
who can't, I don't care about.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without asking.
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure
it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
On 20/10/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:26:51 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:43:31 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Am 17.10.22 um 13:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 17/10/2022 12:07, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks expressed precisely :
On 17/10/2022 10:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
*That is a reference from THE LAST CENTURY*!
Has it been superseded? It appears not to have been.
Not as far as I am aware. The 'thing' about Usenet, though, is that >>>>>> the
rules are unenforceable.
They are enforced by social pressure. That is why the Usenet still
works.
They are attempted to be enforced by OCD morons, I just ignore them. Oh >>>> no, this line is more than 72 characters! You'll go blind reading it! >>>> My eyes can jump to the start of the next line just fine....
Thanks for popping in! :-D
This is a now a 40" monitor, so the 72 character jerks piss me off even
more, all that over there is white space!! ---->
My eyesight is normal, so I can in fact jump from the end of line 7 to
the beginning of line 8 across a 40" screen without a thought. Anybody
who can't, I don't care about.
Haha! Be nice! (I know you are really!)
On 20/10/2022 09:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure
it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
I changed "is" to "in"!
David Brooks formulated on Thursday :
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
Not a typo, it depends upon whether you wrote it as a boater or as a financial advisor.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What
he did was an error in his thought process.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>> that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet
connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without
asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.
Indeed. ALL at Sea! 🙂
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
On 20/10/2022 14:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks formulated on Thursday :
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a >>>>>>>>> great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
Not a typo, it depends upon whether you wrote it as a boater or as a
financial advisor.
Sadly, I'm neither now, just a Senior as you call us!
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:29:26 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure
it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
I changed "is" to "in"!
My subconscious autocorrected is to in. I meant you changed tied to
moored.
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What
he did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>> that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet
connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without
asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Yes, Paul. You've chatted to him often on the Windows 10 Usenet group.
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.
Indeed. ALL at Sea! 🙂
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
On 20/10/2022 15:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:29:26 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure >>>> it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
I changed "is" to "in"!
My subconscious autocorrected is to in. I meant you changed tied to
moored.
I know what you meant, but you were mistaken! :-P
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>>> that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet
connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without
asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Yes, Paul. You've chatted to him often on the Windows 10 Usenet group.
I don't know him any more than you do. I've added this to the Windows *11* group (he's probably in both?)
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:45:11 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What
he did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
Elaborate.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:44:17 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks formulated on Thursday :
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
Not a typo, it depends upon whether you wrote it as a boater or as a
financial advisor.
Sadly, I'm neither now, just a Senior as you call us!
Are you ein gross farter?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet
connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without
asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Yes, Paul. You've chatted to him often on the Windows 10 Usenet group.
I don't know him any more than you do. I've added this to the Windows
*11* group (he's probably in both?)
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.
Indeed. ALL at Sea! 🙂
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:48:16 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:29:26 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure
it's easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
I changed "is" to "in"!
My subconscious autocorrected is to in. I meant you changed tied to
moored.
I know what you meant, but you were mistaken! :-P
You were ambiguous. I challenge thee to a mud wrestle.
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is >>>>>>>>>>> a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm sure >>>> it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What he >> did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
On 20/10/2022 16:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:45:11 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"! >>>>>>>
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-) >>>>>>>
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm >>>>>> sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What >>>> he did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
Elaborate.
There is nothing wrong with MY thought processes!
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet
connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without
asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Yes, Paul. You've chatted to him often on the Windows 10 Usenet group.
I don't know him any more than you do. I've added this to the Windows
*11* group (he's probably in both?)
Yes, you do!
He's one of the most knowledgeable and helpful techie posters on Usenet.
He also has a wonderful sense of humour!
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.
Indeed. ALL at Sea! 🙂
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to Portsmouth!
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:I don't know him any more than you do. I've added this to the Windows
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:27:43 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 09:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:30:47 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one
determine
that?
It's a shit server, it's overloaded, or they have a slow internet >>>>>>> connection. Not sure you can tell what systems they have without >>>>>>> asking.
Hmmm. Can you ask Paul if he has any idea?
Paul?
Yes, Paul. You've chatted to him often on the Windows 10 Usenet group. >>>
*11* group (he's probably in both?)
Yes, you do!
Not more than you do.
He's one of the most knowledgeable and helpful techie posters on Usenet.
Agreed.
He also has a wonderful sense of humour!
Unless you forget to tie up the boat, then your money is at sea.Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-) >>>>>>>
Indeed. ALL at Sea! 🙂
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to
Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
On 21/10/2022 05:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:35:54 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:45:11 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What >>>>>> he did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
Elaborate.
There is nothing wrong with MY thought processes!
I need approval of that statement from god. He's your boss, right?
Yep!❤️ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to
Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a boat!
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:35:54 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:45:11 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"! >>>>>>>>
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<HunterBD@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! >>>>>>>>>>> :-D
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one >>>>>>>>> determine
that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-) >>>>>>>>
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm >>>>>>> sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What >>>>> he did was an error in his thought process.
F A L S E ❤️
Elaborate.
There is nothing wrong with MY thought processes!
I need approval of that statement from god. He's your boss, right?
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
Another excellent presentation.
So different to the many views we are seeing of the desecration in
Ukraine. :-(
Am 05.04.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Savageduck:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
This is better than previous videos because it's more 3D (that big Morro
bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures).
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to
Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on there.
You won't like this: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to
Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on
there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to
Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on
there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> >> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the
boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.htmlI am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies? Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >> there.
There ya go!They didn't say they ALL had wives.
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRafters <F...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> >>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<Hunt...@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. WhatF A L S E ❤️
he did was an error in his thought process.
On Oct 21, 2022 at 2:31:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <aGt4L.2250068$ulh3.1013751@fx06.ams1>:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the >>>>> boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I >>> was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >>> there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
"To fulfil our mission of keeping Britain safe, we rely on the skills of the most talented people regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity."
What is the issue with this?
On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:58:15 +0100, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am 05.04.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Savageduck:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
This is better than previous videos because it's more 3D (that big Morro
bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures).
Don't get too close: https://youtu.be/s3iML1HgVGI
On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 16:45:17 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:04:54 +0100, FromTheRaftersF A L S E ❤️
<F...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
After serious thinking Commander Kinsey wrote :
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:33:43 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> >>>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:30, David Brooks wrote:
On 20/10/2022 08:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:08:53 +0100, HunterBD
<Hunt...@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
I've just watched this again. It's a very special place. >>>>>>>>>>>
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
Reposting the link to check again.
The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D >>>>>>>>>
Does it play for you?
It plays here, but takes ages to start, slow website?
I would like to know WHY it is so slow to start. How can one determine >>>>>>> that?
Nice place, I wish I lived there but it's a bit warm.
There's certainly a lot of money tied up is all those boats! ;-)
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
I guess that would have meant you can't release the money, but I'm
sure it's
easy to sell a boat.
And you can't call it a typo when you changed 4 letters.
Sure you can, if it was typed, and in error.
Typo is short for typographical error, or hitting the wrong key. What
he did was an error in his thought process.
Actually in this case it's true in a gramatical way.
It's like aeroplanes are piloted and cars are driven, and bikes are riden. Some refer to this as a brain fart, as in using the wrong word for the wrong thing.
Most people can work it out for themselves.
Although roger the cabin boy and 'roger' the cabin boy being rogered by the cabin boy is different
On 21/10/2022 10:33, Snit wrote:
On Oct 21, 2022 at 2:31:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<aGt4L.2250068$ulh3.1013751@fx06.ams1>:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the >>>>>> boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I >>>> was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >>>> there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
"To fulfil our mission of keeping Britain safe, we rely on the skills of
the
most talented people regardless of their sexual orientation or gender
identity."
What is the issue with this?
It is simply against everything I was brought up to believe.
When I was a youngster engaging in sexual activity with someone of the
same sex
David Brooks presented the following explanation :
On 21/10/2022 10:33, Snit wrote:
On Oct 21, 2022 at 2:31:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<aGt4L.2250068$ulh3.1013751@fx06.ams1>:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the >>>>>>> boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled
wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled
wives on
there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
"To fulfil our mission of keeping Britain safe, we rely on the skills
of the
most talented people regardless of their sexual orientation or gender
identity."
What is the issue with this?
It is simply against everything I was brought up to believe.
When I was a youngster, engaging in sexual activity with someone of the
same sex
Go on, go on.
Oh what a comma can do.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:34:57 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:44:17 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks formulated on Thursday :
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"!
Apologies for the typo!
Not a typo, it depends upon whether you wrote it as a boater or as a >>>>> financial advisor.
Sadly, I'm neither now, just a Senior as you call us!
Are you ein gross farter?
Yes - five times - ages 9 to 27!
That would make you quite old.
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the >>>>> boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on
the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies?
Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I >>> was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >>> there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I
was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty
easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.
When I was a youngster engaging in sexual activity with someone of the
same sex was classified as illegal. People were sent to prison if found >guilty of such an offence.
On 21/10/2022 10:33, Snit wrote:
On Oct 21, 2022 at 2:31:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<aGt4L.2250068$ulh3.1013751@fx06.ams1>:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 05:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:39:35 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:47:28 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
All out at sea. Cabin boys, strip!
Not in my experience!
Did they not want you?
You should have listened more carefully during your recent visit to >>>>>>> Portsmouth!
I don't believe sexuality was mentioned. We were told all about the >>>>>> boats and weaponry and engines.
But not letting women on the boats is a bit of a giveaway....
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I >>>> was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >>>> there.
There ya go!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
"To fulfil our mission of keeping Britain safe, we rely on the skills of the >> most talented people regardless of their sexual orientation or gender
identity."
What is the issue with this?
It is simply against everything I was brought up to believe.
When I was a youngster engaging in sexual activity with someone of the
same sex was classified as illegal. People were sent to prison if found guilty of such an offence.
Read about Alan Turing, here:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on
the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies?
Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled wife. I >>>> was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled wives on >>>> there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
Point taken!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I
was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty
easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.
Basic thinking.
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:06:17 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
When I was a youngster engaging in sexual activity with someone of the
same sex was classified as illegal. People were sent to prison if found
guilty of such an offence.
Thanks. That explains your alleged sexual activities during your time in
the Royal Navy. It must have been quite thrilling for you to engage in behavior that you knew would have significant consequences if you were discovered. And then you were discovered, and we all know what happened
next.
On 21/10/2022 05:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:34:57 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 20/10/2022 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:44:17 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 20/10/2022 14:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
David Brooks formulated on Thursday :
Oops! Perhaps I should have said "moored up IN all those boats"! >>>>>>>
Apologies for the typo!
Not a typo, it depends upon whether you wrote it as a boater or as a >>>>>> financial advisor.
Sadly, I'm neither now, just a Senior as you call us!
Are you ein gross farter?
Yes - five times - ages 9 to 27!
That would make you quite old.
Yes again! ;-)
On 22/10/2022 09:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on >>>> the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies?
Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
I once did, but now forgotten!
Wikipedia will tell you!
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled
wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled
wives on
there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
Point taken!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I
was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty
easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.
Basic thinking.
People are no longer able to do that.
Hey did you ever test your IQ?
Oops! No, I forgot. Moving bedroom furniture to repair the floor below.
L8r m8 :-D
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship on a >>>>>> boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on
the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies?
Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping people for >>>>> hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled
wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled
wives on
there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
Point taken!
You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-(
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I
was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty >>> easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.
Basic thinking.
People are no longer able to do that.
Hey did you ever test your IQ?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 13:33:57 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 22/10/2022 09:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship >>>>>>>> on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on >>>>> the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies?
Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
I once did, but now forgotten!
Wikipedia will tell you!
I'm sure they just have three lines.
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping
people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled
wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled
wives on
there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
Point taken!
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I >>>>> was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty >>>>> easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-( >>>>>
Basic thinking.
People are no longer able to do that.
Hey did you ever test your IQ?
Oops! No, I forgot. Moving bedroom furniture to repair the floor below.
L8r m8 :-D
You broke your floor?!
On 22/10/2022 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 13:33:57 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 22/10/2022 09:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> >>>> wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship >>>>>>>>> on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on >>>>>> the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies? >>>>>> Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
I once did, but now forgotten!
Wikipedia will tell you!
I'm sure they just have three lines.
The original "Plimsoll mark" was a circle with a horizontal line through
it to show the maximum draft of a ship. Additional marks have been added
over the years, allowing for different water densities and expected sea conditions.
Letters may also appear to the sides of the mark indicating the classification society that has surveyed the vessel's load line. The
initials used include AB for the American Bureau of Shipping, BV for
Bureau Veritas, VL for DNV GL, IR for the Indian Register of Shipping,
LR for Lloyd's Register, NK for Nippon Kaiji Kyokai and RI for the
Registro Italiano Navale. These letters are approximately 115
millimetres in height and 75 millimetres in width (4.5 by 3.0 in).[9]
The load line length is referred to during and following load line calculations.
The letters on the load line marks have the following meanings:
TF – tropical fresh water
F – fresh water
T – tropical seawater
S – summer temperate seawater
W – winter temperate seawater
WNA – winter North Atlantic
Were you not told about the expression "*show us a leg*"?
I'll let you Google for that!
I didn't have to. I remember now, it was to check sleeping
people for
hairy legs to see who should be fighting and who was a smuggled >>>>>>>> wife. I
was surprised they didn't kick up fuck when they found smuggled >>>>>>>> wives on
there.
There ya go!
They didn't say they ALL had wives.
Point taken!
I signed up to something (I think it was Deezer) and I was asked if I >>>>>> was male, female, or non-binary. WTF? Even a gay is a male. Pretty >>>>>> easy to look in your pants and see which one you are.You won't like this:
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
You are correct.
I don't like what has been happening to our society in general. :-( >>>>>>
Basic thinking.
People are no longer able to do that.
Hey did you ever test your IQ?
Oops! No, I forgot. Moving bedroom furniture to repair the floor below.
L8r m8 :-D
You broke your floor?!
When the floor was last repaired, before I bought the house, the tongue-and-grouve join was cut and not supported by noggins. All now corrected.
Where did you put your test you want me to complete?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 16:31:35 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 22/10/2022 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 13:33:57 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> >> wrote:
On 22/10/2022 09:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship >>>>>>>>> on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on
the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies? >>>>>> Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
I once did, but now forgotten!
Wikipedia will tell you!
I'm sure they just have three lines.
The original "Plimsoll mark" was a circle with a horizontal line through it to show the maximum draft of a ship. Additional marks have been added over the years, allowing for different water densities and expected sea conditions.
Letters may also appear to the sides of the mark indicating the classification society that has surveyed the vessel's load line. The initials used include AB for the American Bureau of Shipping, BV for Bureau Veritas, VL for DNV GL, IR for the Indian Register of Shipping,
LR for Lloyd's Register, NK for Nippon Kaiji Kyokai and RI for the Registro Italiano Navale. These letters are approximately 115
millimetres in height and 75 millimetres in width (4.5 by 3.0 in).[9]
The load line length is referred to during and following load line calculations.
The letters on the load line marks have the following meanings:
TF – tropical fresh waterAh, that sounds familiar. I think that could get complicated. Simple enough going into salt water, but temperature.... the density of the water changes, but so does the ship! A ship in tropical water will also be warmer along with the surrounding water.
F – fresh water
T – tropical seawater
S – summer temperate seawater
W – winter temperate seawater
WNA – winter North Atlantic
On Sunday, 23 October 2022 at 17:51:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 16:31:35 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 22/10/2022 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 13:33:57 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 22/10/2022 09:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:15:44 +0100, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 10:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:31:50 +0100, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
On 21/10/2022 09:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:36:09 +0100, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life>
wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking!
You really mean SHIPS!
One can put a boat on a ship ......... but one cannot put a ship >>>>>>>>> on a
boat!
But where do you draw the line?
Plimsoll!
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/plimsoll-line.html
I am aware of such a line, something to do with the weight of cargo on
the boat?
How do you cope with salt and fresh water and different buoyancies? >>>>>> Fucking annoying when scuba diving.
Please do your own investigating!
But you surely already know?
I once did, but now forgotten!
Wikipedia will tell you!
I'm sure they just have three lines.
The original "Plimsoll mark" was a circle with a horizontal line through it to show the maximum draft of a ship. Additional marks have been added over the years, allowing for different water densities and expected sea conditions.
Letters may also appear to the sides of the mark indicating the classification society that has surveyed the vessel's load line. The initials used include AB for the American Bureau of Shipping, BV for Bureau Veritas, VL for DNV GL, IR for the Indian Register of Shipping, LR for Lloyd's Register, NK for Nippon Kaiji Kyokai and RI for the Registro Italiano Navale. These letters are approximately 115 millimetres in height and 75 millimetres in width (4.5 by 3.0 in).[9] The load line length is referred to during and following load line calculations.
The letters on the load line marks have the following meanings:
TF – tropical fresh water
F – fresh water
T – tropical seawater
S – summer temperate seawater
W – winter temperate seawater
WNA – winter North Atlantic
Ah, that sounds familiar. I think that could get complicated. Simple enough going
into salt water, but temperature.... the density of the water changes, but so does
the ship! A ship in tropical water will also be warmer along with the surrounding water.
Not sure how much the ship getting warmer would affect bouyancey , but the plimsoll line
is for use at port rather than while travelling.
And unless it's a sailing shiop then the fuel used would lighten the weight of the ship during
the voyage, this would also apply to sailing ships as the crew went through the food stocks.
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