• Photo taken in 1977 (was - Mac drive letters?)

    From David Brooks@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Apr 27 11:17:50 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 27 21:08:50 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Apr 27 20:32:37 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Apr 27 21:44:51 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger alledgedly (not the next door one, the tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about 35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his
    ex-employees. The father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. Inquisitive and not scared of people
    when you don't have a boat and are not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a canoe.

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars should have these. I've killed one with my Golf
    :-(

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 27 22:08:40 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one).  He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
    35.  Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger.  They
    don't have kids.  She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees.  The father is "not present".  Yeah ok....  The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
    here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also
    wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are
    not on land where you can move faster.  Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor
    ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
    should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Apr 27 22:46:03 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
    35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They
    don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees. The
    father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!

    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated. She has more armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
    here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also
    wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild.
    Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are
    not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D

    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor >>> ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to DGB@nomail.afraid.org on Thu Apr 28 09:13:40 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ

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  • From Magani@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 27 17:00:31 2022
    On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 7:46:11 am UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
    35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They
    don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees. The
    father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!
    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated. She has more armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.
    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area. >>
    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
    here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also >> wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. >> Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are >> not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D
    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?
    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor >>> ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ
    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the police to deal with the remains.



    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.
    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    They look remarkably similar to the kangaroo alarms whistles here - https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/sca-sca-animal-repeller-black-2-pack/558747.html

    The jury seems to be out on how effective they are on Australian wildlife; seemingly PhD-worthy discussions and reputations are at stake. :-)

    Kangaroos and wallabies are remarkably dense (from a thinking point of view) when it comes to traffic. They'll bounce onto a highway, then run in the direction of traffic up the centre of your lane. As my Dad would say, "They're as thick as two short
    planks". Only thing worse is an Emu - to paraphrase Pooh, "A bird with very little brain".

    I've managed to hit 5 roos/wallabies in my time on the road (some actually ran into me), but AFAIK, I've not killed any of them outright (they all bounced off into the bush and I wasn't about to chase them in the dark). At the risk of seeming heartless,
    more serious accidents have been caused by folks swerving to avoid a roo, than actually just braking hard in a straight line. As mentioned, it's not a happy time for either party. There's a reason trucks and 4WDs have a 'roo bar' out the front. You
    don't want a smashed radiator when you're 200 miles from the nearest garage.

    Cheers,
    Magani

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Magani on Thu Apr 28 01:09:31 2022
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 01:00:31 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 7:46:11 am UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >> >> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >> >>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >> >>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
    35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They
    don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees. The
    father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!
    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated. She has more armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.
    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area. >> >>
    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
    here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also >> >> wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. >> >> Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are >> >> not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D
    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?
    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be Dartmoor >> >>> ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ
    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.



    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.
    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    They look remarkably similar to the kangaroo alarms whistles here - https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/sca-sca-animal-repeller-black-2-pack/558747.html

    The jury seems to be out on how effective they are on Australian wildlife; seemingly PhD-worthy discussions and reputations are at stake. :-)

    Kangaroos and wallabies are remarkably dense (from a thinking point of view) when it comes to traffic. They'll bounce onto a highway, then run in the direction of traffic up the centre of your lane. As my Dad would say, "They're as thick as two short
    planks". Only thing worse is an Emu - to paraphrase Pooh, "A bird with very little brain".

    I've managed to hit 5 roos/wallabies in my time on the road (some actually ran into me), but AFAIK, I've not killed any of them outright (they all bounced off into the bush and I wasn't about to chase them in the dark). At the risk of seeming
    heartless, more serious accidents have been caused by folks swerving to avoid a roo, than actually just braking hard in a straight line. As mentioned, it's not a happy time for either party. There's a reason trucks and 4WDs have a 'roo bar' out the
    front. You don't want a smashed radiator when you're 200 miles from the nearest garage.

    I always prefer braking to swerving. Swerving can cause another unforeseen problem. If something is going wrong, remove all momentum.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Apr 28 09:14:43 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 27/04/2022 22:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children >>>>>>> fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one).  He's been grey since I've known him when he was about
    35.  Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger.  They
    don't have kids.  She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees.  The
    father is "not present".  Yeah ok....  The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!

    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated.  She has more
    armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and
    swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area.

    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from
    here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also
    wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild.
    Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are
    not on land where you can move faster.  Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D

    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    I agree - 100% :-D

    I was once helped by a Dolphin when I capsized a Bosun Dingy in
    Falmouth. He (she?) came alongside and allowed me to step on its back to
    climb aboard again! Absolutely true.

    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/navyfit/adventurous-training/adventurous-training-centres/royal-navy-water-activity-centre----falmouth

    And yes I was naked on all occasions.  Maybe shorts scare seals?

    I couldn't possibly comment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTkOwtbiq0

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be
    Dartmoor
    ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it.  Mind you there are no
    wild horses in the UK.  Also no animal hates me.  It's fun to play with
    a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

    Take care.

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound >>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
    should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    That wouldn't have have helped in my second case - the animal jumped
    over a hedge to my left and landed right in front of me.

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise' generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    D.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Thu Apr 28 08:23:52 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to DGB@nomail.afraid.org on Fri Apr 29 07:16:40 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Thu Apr 28 22:44:31 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.

    That is most kind. Thanks. :-)

    This one is rather worse for wear! I can't recall how it got into such a
    state! https://ibb.co/2F0zNVp

    Perhaps the exercise keeps your fingers nimble and your brain alert!

    Regards reciprocated,
    David

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 04:27:56 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 22:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children >>>>>>>> fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told.

    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one). He's been grey since I've known him when he was about >>>> 35. Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger. They
    don't have kids. She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees. The
    father is "not present". Yeah ok.... The wife really is gullible.

    I can't possibly comment!

    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated. She has more
    armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and >>>>> swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the area. >>>>
    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from >>>> here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here - also >>>> wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the wild. >>>> Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and are >>>> not on land where you can move faster. Although the river I was in a
    canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D

    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    I agree - 100% :-D

    I was once helped by a Dolphin when I capsized a Bosun Dingy in
    Falmouth. He (she?) came alongside and allowed me to step on its back to climb aboard again! Absolutely true.

    Dolphins love humans as much as we love them. We are equally intelligent and respect each other like our own kind.

    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/navyfit/adventurous-training/adventurous-training-centres/royal-navy-water-activity-centre----falmouth

    And yes I was naked on all occasions. Maybe shorts scare seals?

    I couldn't possibly comment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTkOwtbiq0

    Rover gets very bad press, but my first car was a Rover and very sturdily built. Until it hit a tractor, which ended up worse off! Maybe momentum matters, it was doing 5mph and I was doing 90 er.... 60mph. Yes the sign said 60, I must have been doing
    60.

    However my neighbour's Rover 75 (top of the range) had the worst automatic gearbox I'd ever seen. It was like a learner driver changing gear. You should not notice when an auto box changes gear. But then I was used to a German car, they do things very
    well indeed. Pity they didn't win the war!

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be
    Dartmoor
    ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it. Mind you there are no
    wild horses in the UK. Also no animal hates me. It's fun to play with
    a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

    Take care.

    I don't need to. Animals think I'm one of them. They might be right.

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or >>>> seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound >>>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    That wouldn't have have helped in my second case - the animal jumped
    over a hedge to my left and landed right in front of me.

    Same here, it was chasing females! But if it had heard the high pitch noise perhaps it would have stopped in fright and still be alive?

    I have bought one and I suggest everyone else does. It will be interesting to see what happens when I drive past someone walking a dog....

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise' generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect. I refuse to create noise pollution after spending a fortune on a quiet car. Pedestrians should learn to use their eyes.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 08:56:54 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 08:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise' >>>> generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect.  I refuse to create noise pollution after
    spending a fortune on a quiet car.  Pedestrians should learn to use
    their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime lights.

    My car is too old to have them!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 08:48:35 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise'
    generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect. I refuse to create noise pollution after
    spending a fortune on a quiet car. Pedestrians should learn to use
    their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime lights.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 08:21:27 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 22:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:08:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 20:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! 🙂 But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my >>>>>>>>> first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children >>>>>>>>> fed
    the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D

    The ginger hair didn't fade.

    In real-life, over time, it did.
    Mind you, my son doesn't have great deal left if the truth be told. >>>>>
    My neighbour was a ginger allegedly (not the next door one, the
    tradesman one).  He's been grey since I've known him when he was about >>>>> 35.  Now that kid him and his wife take on holiday is ginger.  They >>>>> don't have kids.  She's the daughter of one of his ex-employees.  The >>>>> father is "not present".  Yeah ok....  The wife really is gullible. >>>>
    I can't possibly comment!

    If you'd seen his wife you'd understand why he cheated.  She has more
    armpit hair than any man I've seen and refuses to shave it off.

    I've never seen friendly wallabies - those are living wild?

    Yes. Completely wild ..... but in an area popular for beach BBQs and >>>>>> swimming, so the Wallabies were well used to people visiting the
    area.

    I have three times swam up to a seal, once 40 miles down the road from >>>>> here in the sea - a wild one, once in a river 10 miles from here -
    also
    wild, and once in England near where they release babies into the
    wild.
    Inquisitive and not scared of people when you don't have a boat and
    are
    not on land where you can move faster.  Although the river I was in a >>>>> canoe.

    You have been truly privileged. :-D

    Indeed, nothing is more fun than nature.

    I agree - 100% :-D

    I was once helped by a Dolphin when I capsized a Bosun Dingy in
    Falmouth. He (she?) came alongside and allowed me to step on its back to
    climb aboard again! Absolutely true.

    Dolphins love humans as much as we love them.  We are equally
    intelligent and respect each other like our own kind.

    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/navyfit/adventurous-training/adventurous-training-centres/royal-navy-water-activity-centre----falmouth


    And yes I was naked on all occasions.  Maybe shorts scare seals?

    I couldn't possibly comment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTkOwtbiq0

    Rover gets very bad press, but my first car was a Rover and very
    sturdily built.  Until it hit a tractor, which ended up worse off!
    Maybe momentum matters, it was doing 5mph and I was doing 90 er....
    60mph.  Yes the sign said 60, I must have been doing 60.

    However my neighbour's Rover 75 (top of the range) had the worst
    automatic gearbox I'd ever seen.  It was like a learner driver changing gear.  You should not notice when an auto box changes gear. But then I
    was used to a German car, they do things very well indeed.  Pity they
    didn't win the war!

    The nearest comparable thing we've seen here in the UK would be
    Dartmoor
    ponies!

    https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/living-and-working/farming/ponies

    https://visitdartmoor.co.uk/the-famous-dartmoor-ponies

    I thought all horses were tame?

    You most surely are joking?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTHB4jM-KQ

    Every horse I've seen lets me pet and feed it.  Mind you there are no
    wild horses in the UK.  Also no animal hates me.  It's fun to play with >>> a rottweiler the owner cannot handle.

    Take care.

    I don't need to.  Animals think I'm one of them.  They might be right.

    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or >>>>> seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits
    ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
    should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the >>>> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    That wouldn't have have helped in my second case - the animal jumped
    over a hedge to my left and landed right in front of me.

    Same here, it was chasing females!  But if it had heard the high pitch
    noise perhaps it would have stopped in fright and still be alive?

    I have bought one and I suggest everyone else does.  It will be
    interesting to see what happens when I drive past someone walking a dog....

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise'
    generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect.  I refuse to create noise pollution after
    spending a fortune on a quiet car.  Pedestrians should learn to use
    their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    --
    David

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 09:03:05 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:56:54 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 08:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine noise' >>>>> generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect. I refuse to create noise pollution after
    spending a fortune on a quiet car. Pedestrians should learn to use
    their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime lights.

    My car is too old to have them!

    So is mine, but I can engage my full beam when one comes towards me with his on. Some are actually brighter than full beam. And I've seen psycholists with them, and flashing!

    It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at night. Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back lights. Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the
    car lights, and sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.

    Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without looking. I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought possible.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 09:12:18 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG. These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not electrical. It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph. I blew into it and it made a normal human hearable whistling
    sound, so I'm guessing that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian. I like it.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 10:21:06 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 09:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or >>>> seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound >>>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars
    should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG.  These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not
    electrical.  It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph.  I blew into it
    and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing
    that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian.  I like it.

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 10:40:51 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:19:56 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 09:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:56:54 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 08:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine >>>>>>> noise'
    generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect. I refuse to create noise pollution after >>>>>> spending a fortune on a quiet car. Pedestrians should learn to use >>>>>> their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime
    lights.

    My car is too old to have them!

    So is mine, but I can engage my full beam when one comes towards me with
    his on. Some are actually brighter than full beam. And I've seen
    psycholists with them, and flashing!

    How do you know the profession of the oncoming driver?

    Uhhh.... psycholists are on two wheels, not drivers.

    It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at
    night. Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't
    remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back
    lights. Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the car lights, and
    sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.

    Be careful; one day you may succeed!

    I did that once, but only because I forgot that particular car had no ABS. It's amazing how long they take to stop.

    Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without
    looking. I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought
    possible.

    Very naughty! ;-)

    No, I saved their life. If they had done that again in front of someone who wasn't looking they might have been killed. I taught them how to cross safely :)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 10:41:47 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 09:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be killed or >>>>> seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a
    fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits ultrasound >>>>> to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars
    should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the
    police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG. These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not
    electrical. It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that
    alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph. I blew into it
    and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing
    that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian. I like it.

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is over the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 10:19:56 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 09:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:56:54 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 08:48, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:21:27 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 04:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:14:43 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    My son tells me that some electric cars now have 'pretend engine
    noise'
    generators to protect pedestrians! Whatever next?!!!

    Very easy to disconnect.  I refuse to create noise pollution after
    spending a fortune on a quiet car.  Pedestrians should learn to use >>>>> their eyes.

    All read and understood. Thank you for being my friend! :-D

    Have a great day.

    You can also disconnect those stupid distracting EU-decided daytime
    lights.

    My car is too old to have them!

    So is mine, but I can engage my full beam when one comes towards me with
    his on.  Some are actually brighter than full beam.  And I've seen psycholists with them, and flashing!

    How do you know the profession of the oncoming driver?

    It is quite funny when a modern daylight lights car is driving at
    night.  Since the lights were already on at the front, they don't
    remember to switch on the "real" lights at night, so they have no back lights.  Sometimes I flash, sometimes I flash the car lights, and
    sometimes I threaten them by almost crashing into the back of them.

    Be careful; one day you may succeed!

    Funniest one was a pedestrian who walked in front of me without
    looking.  I revved the 3.5 litre V8 and they ran faster than I thought possible.

    Very naughty! ;-)

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 12:50:53 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 09:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be
    killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a >>>>>> fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits
    ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars >>>>>> should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the >>>>> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the >>>>> police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG.  These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not
    electrical.  It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that >>> alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph.  I blew into it >>> and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing
    that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian.  I like it.

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess that is over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    Some of the comments are interesting.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 22:57:16 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 09:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be
    killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a >>>>>>> fiver. You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits
    ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over. Maybe all cars >>>>>>> should have these. I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-( In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and the >>>>>> baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the >>>>>> police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one. You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG. These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not
    electrical. It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape that >>>> alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph. I blew into it >>>> and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing
    that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian. I like it.

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 29 23:36:45 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 09:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:46:03 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:08:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    "Please do not feed the ponies
    It encourages them to stay near the road where they might be
    killed or
    seriously injured."
    - that reminds me of something I saw advertised on Ebay for only a >>>>>>>> fiver.  You fit it under the bonnet of your car and it emits
    ultrasound
    to scare off deer etc, so they don't get run over.  Maybe all cars >>>>>>>> should have these.  I've killed one with my Golf :-(

    It hurts. :-(  In my lifetime, I've hit two. One was pregnant and >>>>>>> the
    baby spilt out onto the road. I felt terrible and rang and asked the >>>>>>> police to deal with the remains.

    Perhaps you are right about Ultrasound.

    I think I'll buy one.  You can get one here:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194805544449

    OMFG.  These are not ultrasonic speakers, not electronic, not
    electrical.  It's a piece of plastic in some form of whistle shape
    that
    alledgedly makes ultrasound when travelling over 60kmph.  I blew
    into it
    and it made a normal human hearable whistling sound, so I'm guessing >>>>> that under 60kmph it's going to piss off every pedestrian.  I like it. >>>>
    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess that is over >>> the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car.  If I do, it'll be because they
    didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Apr 29 23:55:08 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is over >>>> the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they
    didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we sere 100 years ago. Something made them evolve slower.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 30 00:12:11 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess that is >>>>> over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car.  If I do, it'll be because they
    didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve
    slower.

    Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
    indigenous population.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Apr 30 00:21:32 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is >>>>>> over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they
    didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

    Very funny. I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we were 100 years ago. Something made them evolve
    slower.

    Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
    indigenous population.

    Most do not feel guilty about that. Some do.

    https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 30 09:58:20 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess that is >>>>>>> over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car.  If I do, it'll be because they
    didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

    Very funny.  I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve
    slower.

    Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
    indigenous population.

    Most do not feel guilty about that.  Some do.

    https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

    A great song - with great Lyrics.

    Lyrics
    She came from Providence, the one in Rhode Island
    Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air
    She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee
    Just as her father came across the sea
    She heard about a place people were smilin'
    They spoke about the red man's way, how they loved the land
    And they came from everywhere to the Great Divide
    Seeking a place to stand or a place to hide
    Down in the crowded bars out for a good time,
    Can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there
    And they called it paradise, I don't know why
    Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high
    Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert
    Through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu
    Where the pretty people play hungry for power
    To light their neon way and give them things to do
    Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em
    Put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em
    And they called it paradise, the place to be,
    They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea
    You can leave it all behind and sail to Lahaina
    Just like the missionaries did so many years ago
    They even brought a neon sign 'Jesus is Coming'
    Brought the white man's burden down, brought the white man's reign
    Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine?
    'Cause there is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here
    We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds
    In the name of destiny and in the name of God
    And you can see them there on Sunday morning
    Stand up and sing about what it's like up there
    They called it paradise, I don't know why
    You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye
    Source: LyricFind

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Apr 30 10:38:21 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 10:33:48 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 10:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:58:20 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100! >>>>>>>>>>
    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess >>>>>>>>>> that is
    over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they >>>>>>>> didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 >>>>>>
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal. >>>>
    Very funny. I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of
    pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Those videos were not 140. That occurred in France. The Gendarme lost me.

    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. French shite.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 30 10:33:48 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 30/04/2022 10:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:58:20 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess >>>>>>>>> that is
    over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car.  If I do, it'll be because they >>>>>>> didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 >>>>>
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

    Very funny.  I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of
    pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Those videos were not 140.  That occurred in France.  The Gendarme lost me.

    You are a card! ;-)

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we were 100 years ago.  Something made them evolve >>>>> slower.

    Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
    indigenous population.

    Most do not feel guilty about that.  Some do.

    https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

    A great song - with great Lyrics.

    Lyrics
    [....]
    Indeed, it's a pity people don't listen to lyrics properly.  This is
    another favourite:
    https://youtu.be/PGNTaM7roSY

    That is lovely. Words, music and singer.

    Thank you for sharing. :-D

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Apr 30 10:21:34 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:58:20 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100!

    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess that is >>>>>>>> over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they >>>>>> didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0 >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not illegal.

    Very funny. I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Those videos were not 140. That occurred in France. The Gendarme lost me.

    Some of the comments are interesting.

    My favourite is "America is that special needs kid in class"

    They are a different breed to us, for sure! ;-)

    They're just what we were 100 years ago. Something made them evolve
    slower.

    Probably the guilt they've been carrying for killing most of the
    indigenous population.

    Most do not feel guilty about that. Some do.

    https://youtu.be/NY5Nc5MHZvc

    A great song - with great Lyrics.

    Lyrics
    She came from Providence, the one in Rhode Island
    Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air
    She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee
    Just as her father came across the sea
    She heard about a place people were smilin'
    They spoke about the red man's way, how they loved the land
    And they came from everywhere to the Great Divide
    Seeking a place to stand or a place to hide
    Down in the crowded bars out for a good time,
    Can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there
    And they called it paradise, I don't know why
    Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high
    Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert
    Through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu
    Where the pretty people play hungry for power
    To light their neon way and give them things to do
    Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em
    Put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em
    And they called it paradise, the place to be,
    They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea
    You can leave it all behind and sail to Lahaina
    Just like the missionaries did so many years ago
    They even brought a neon sign 'Jesus is Coming'
    Brought the white man's burden down, brought the white man's reign
    Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine?
    'Cause there is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here
    We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds
    In the name of destiny and in the name of God
    And you can see them there on Sunday morning
    Stand up and sing about what it's like up there
    They called it paradise, I don't know why
    You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye
    Source: LyricFind

    Indeed, it's a pity people don't listen to lyrics properly. This is another favourite:
    https://youtu.be/PGNTaM7roSY

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 30 15:09:19 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 30/04/2022 10:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 10:33:48 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 10:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:58:20 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100! >>>>>>>>>>>
    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph.  Although I guess >>>>>>>>>>> that is
    over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car.  If I do, it'll be because they >>>>>>>>> didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not
    illegal.

    Very funny.  I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of
    pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Those videos were not 140.  That occurred in France.  The Gendarme
    lost me.

    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.  French shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Apr 30 23:11:18 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 10:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 10:33:48 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 10:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:58:20 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:12:11 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 23:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:36:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:50:53 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/04/2022 10:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:21:06 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No worries there, then! You don't drive at less than 100! >>>>>>>>>>>>
    In a built up area I do not exceed 60mph. Although I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> that is
    over
    the pansy 60kmph quoted on the instructions.

    Maybe you'll watch and learn here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8uOyybH_o

    I've never hit anyone with my car. If I do, it'll be because they >>>>>>>>>> didn't look before crossing, so their fault.

    That's good. I trust it will continue that way.

    Are these illegal?:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0 >>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6smlrj9svg0k32q/Slalom.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

    Everyone is entitle to have a camera in their car, so no, not
    illegal.

    Very funny. I was referring to the speed and terrorizing of
    pedestrians.

    My highest ever speed is 140mph.

    Or 700 if you count planes.

    55 on a boat.

    I'm sorry - I didn't note the speed on the videos! ;-)

    Those videos were not 140. That occurred in France. The Gendarme
    lost me.

    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar
    detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries while renting me a Laguna.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun May 1 12:24:23 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar
    detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.  French >>> shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
    while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 04:12:27 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar
    detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. French >>>> shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
    while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 07:57:16 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:46:36 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar
    detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.
    French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
    while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Yet your heart is in the right place! â¤ï¸

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

    Just threaten to leave. Quote Greenflag price. Greenflag sux, but the AA will still discount you to keep you. You have to do this every year though, they sneak it back up. They count on most people not bothering.

    And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they think you're leaving.

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    They lent you or loaned you a car.

    If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

    No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car. If you rented me a car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but for me. Big difference.

    As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same. You would say you hire a car but you rent a house?! I just rent both.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 2 07:46:36 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar
    detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later.
    French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries
    while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Yet your heart is in the right place! â¤ï¸

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    They lent you or loaned you a car.

    If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 2 08:10:29 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 02/05/2022 07:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:46:36 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar >>>>>>> detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. >>>>>>> French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries >>>>> while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Yet your heart is in the right place!  â¤ï¸

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

    Just threaten to leave.  Quote Greenflag price.  Greenflag sux, but the
    AA will still discount you to keep you.  You have to do this every year though, they sneak it back up.  They count on most people not bothering.

    I understand completely. My wife carries out this exercise each year
    with the RAC. Well worthwhile!

    And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
    prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
    think you're leaving.

    My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother
    shopping around!

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    They lent you or loaned you a car.

    If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

    No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car.  If you rented me a
    car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
    for me.  Big difference.

    As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same.  You would say you
    hire a car but you rent a house?!  I just rent both.

    I concede. I don't do either. :-D

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 2 08:36:29 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 08:10:29 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 07:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:46:36 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card.  Another one nicked me for having a radar >>>>>>>>> detector.  "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. >>>>>>>>> French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries >>>>>>> while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Yet your heart is in the right place!  â¤ï¸

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

    Just threaten to leave.  Quote Greenflag price.  Greenflag sux, but the >>> AA will still discount you to keep you.  You have to do this every year >>> though, they sneak it back up.  They count on most people not bothering. >>
    I understand completely. My wife carries out this exercise each year
    with the RAC. Well worthwhile!

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.

    And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
    prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
    think you're leaving.

    My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother
    shopping around!

    I've never seen one go down by itself.

    I'd never seen it either!

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    They lent you or loaned you a car.

    If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

    No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car.  If you rented me a >>> car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
    for me.  Big difference.

    As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same.  You would say you
    hire a car but you rent a house?!  I just rent both.

    I concede. I don't do either. :-D

    Neither do I, I was talking about what I would call it.

    Sorry. I misunderstood.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 08:27:34 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Mon, 02 May 2022 08:10:29 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 07:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:46:36 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 04:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 01 May 2022 12:24:23 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 30/04/2022 23:11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    You are a card! ;-)

    I was given a red card. Another one nicked me for having a radar >>>>>>>> detector. "C'est interdit en France!"

    That car didn't speed again, the engine seized a few days later. >>>>>>>> French
    shite.

    Ha! You've told me that before! :-D

    That cost the AA a lot of money to tow it right across two countries >>>>>> while renting me a Laguna.

    You never cease to surprise me!

    I am a master of making things go wrong.

    Yet your heart is in the right place! â¤ï¸

    Do you actually PAY for a subscription to the AA?

    I pay one third of their normal price.

    How come? (but congratulations anyway!)

    Just threaten to leave. Quote Greenflag price. Greenflag sux, but the
    AA will still discount you to keep you. You have to do this every year
    though, they sneak it back up. They count on most people not bothering.

    I understand completely. My wife carries out this exercise each year
    with the RAC. Well worthwhile!

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    And car insurance is no longer allowed to do introductory first year
    prices but they still fuck you about and will take money off if they
    think you're leaving.

    My renewal this year was £30 less than last year, so I didn't bother shopping around!

    I've never seen one go down by itself.

    Btw - what's with this "renting me a car"? That's Americanese!

    What is the English for that then?

    They lent you or loaned you a car.

    If you had to pay, you'd have hired the car.

    No, if you loaned me a car, that would be your car. If you rented me a
    car, you have paid for a rental car from a company with your money, but
    for me. Big difference.

    As for rent and hire, they mean precisely the same. You would say you
    hire a car but you rent a house?! I just rent both.

    I concede. I don't do either. :-D

    Neither do I, I was talking about what I would call it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 09:12:33 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.

    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 2 10:15:16 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 02/05/2022 09:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 09:12:33 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.

    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    Holy shit that's expensive, but then I don't get top of the range.  Just basic fix it or take me to a garage.  My neighbour does the same.  We've both towed each other a quarter mile from home because we didn't have
    home start.

    I may have done such a thing when I was a youngster, but I can now
    afford to pay for the convenience. What you do costs a lot in terms of
    time, too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 09:24:25 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Mon, 02 May 2022 09:12:33 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.

    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    Holy shit that's expensive, but then I don't get top of the range. Just basic fix it or take me to a garage. My neighbour does the same. We've both towed each other a quarter mile from home because we didn't have home start.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 11:40:29 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Mon, 02 May 2022 10:15:16 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 09:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 02 May 2022 09:12:33 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.

    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    Holy shit that's expensive, but then I don't get top of the range. Just
    basic fix it or take me to a garage. My neighbour does the same. We've
    both towed each other a quarter mile from home because we didn't have
    home start.

    I may have done such a thing when I was a youngster, but I can now
    afford to pay for the convenience. What you do costs a lot in terms of
    time, too.

    No time taken, tow it while they're arriving.

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  • From Magani@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon May 2 17:35:35 2022
    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover the caravan, towing (both car and van if
    needed) up to $3300/annum, accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a
    motel room (we didn't as we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front of our hire car. I really don't think I'd
    swap that for no internet, no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Cheers,
    Magani

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Magani on Tue May 3 05:10:27 2022
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover the caravan, towing (both car and van if
    needed) up to $3300/annum, accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a
    motel room (we didn't as we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your own car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than half what you do.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front of our hire car. I really don't think I'
    d swap that for no internet, no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would warn you.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue May 3 18:26:55 2022
    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
    each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
    AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
    the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
    accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any car I
    drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
    son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
    was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
    up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're
    in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your own
    car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
    of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too! https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    Please come and defend yourself here, m8!

    http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100

    If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 03:37:19 2022
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
    each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
    AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
    the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
    accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I
    drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
    son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
    was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
    up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
    in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your own
    car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science. I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of around here. Is it a bad thing when a
    13A plug is really warm? If I get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too! https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over 16mph on his bicycle!

    Please come and defend yourself here, m8!

    http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100

    If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!

    Nasty piece of work indeed. Perhaps he should meet me in person, then he'll find out what nasty is.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 07:49:59 2022
    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package? >>>>> >
    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned >>>>> with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
    each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
    AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover >>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
    accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any car I >>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
    son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual >>>> membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into >>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
    was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
    up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car >>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're
    in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your own >>> car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
    I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They
    mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I
    get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays >>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
    of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, >>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
    cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you. Competent drivers ignore the limit
    anyway.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    Please come and defend yourself here, m8!

    http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100

    If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!

    Nasty piece of work indeed.  Perhaps he should meet me in person, then
    he'll find out what nasty is.

    There ya go! ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 08:18:02 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package? >>>>>> >
    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned >>>>>> with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent >>>>>> service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
    each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like >>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover >>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
    accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I >>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
    son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual >>>>> membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into >>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
    was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
    up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as >>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car >>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
    in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your own >>>> car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
    I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
    mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of
    around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
    get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must get gold in everything.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thankyou. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to the expiration date the task has been a
    waste of time.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays >>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their >>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front >>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, >>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed >>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would >>>> warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow because they find driving difficult.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't
    know if it was on that occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using god's force, gravity. If something had been in the way, I would not have been able to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual
    suspension aluminium frame.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 09:09:19 2022
    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what
    package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned >>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.

    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent >>>>>>> service throughout.

    A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - >>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like >>>>>> AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover >>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, >>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any car I >>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or >>>>>> son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
    annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
    into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all >>>>>> was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it >>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as >>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire >>>>>> car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).

    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're >>>>> in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your >>>>> own
    car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less than >>>>> half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-) >>>
    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
    I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They
    mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of >>> around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I
    get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must
    get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
    holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their >>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front >>>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, >>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed >>>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would >>>>> warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
    direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a bike! There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've had
    it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 09:28:53 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what
    package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned >>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package. >>>>>>>>
    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent >>>>>>>> service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - >>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like >>>>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover >>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, >>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I >>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or >>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
    annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went >>>>>>> into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all >>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it >>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as >>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire >>>>>>> car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking). >>>>>>>
    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're >>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your >>>>>> own
    car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than >>>>>> half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-) >>>>
    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
    I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
    mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of >>>> around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
    get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm.... >>>
    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart
    from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type? The earth leakage ones hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't
    go from the wire in her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave kept tripping an
    earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is touching an earthed washing machine.
    240V on your hand, 0V on your knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a safety device.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
    running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
    1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
    get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that,
    and 1 slows down if I use it, as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
    holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their >>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front >>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet, >>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed >>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would >>>>>> warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and more people using our road that our road had a
    limit. What a crazy idea - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
    because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
    direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
    friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that
    occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

    I had nothing to do with it. His dad arranged for him to disappear for a bit to a relative elsewhere.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a bike! There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

    Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the sensor on the edge of the wheel.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had
    it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 09:50:58 2022
    On 04/05/2022 09:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If >>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    How many points per day (PPD) are you getting?  It should say in the
    control program if you click the graphics card etc.  I'm on 2.2 million, using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a
    competition.

    I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

    Tired, eh?!!! ;-)

    This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

    HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 09:33:18 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    How many points per day (PPD) are you getting? It should say in the control program if you click the graphics card etc. I'm on 2.2 million, using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a competition.

    I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 10:32:40 2022
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what >>>>>>>>> package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more
    concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package. >>>>>>>>>
    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed
    excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - >>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition >>>>>>>> like
    AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also >>>>>>>> cover
    the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, >>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any >>>>>>>> car I
    drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or >>>>>>>> son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their >>>>>>>> annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went >>>>>>>> into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all >>>>>>>> was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it >>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we
    didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire >>>>>>>> car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking). >>>>>>>>
    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're >>>>>>> in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your >>>>>>> own
    car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less >>>>>>> than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
    Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science. >>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They >>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a
    lot of
    around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I >>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
    warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in >>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if >>>> your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many things aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK socket is
    not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.  So if you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
    flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
    safety device.

    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am >>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in >>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must >>> get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week.  The only thing I told
    you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
    available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
    as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

    You do make me smile, laddie!

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If >>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
    meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
    holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no
    internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>> speed
    cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow >>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
    direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my >>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that
    occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

    I had nothing to do with it.  His dad arranged for him to disappear for
    a bit to a relative elsewhere.

    No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over >>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
    bike!
    There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

    Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
    sensor on the edge of the wheel.

    I can't recall my children having such things.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've had >>> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 11:09:50 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem to be closed securely. Perhaps you should straighten those up incase the cover falls off. I think the diagram means they should be horizontal to keep it closed.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 10:17:47 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:50:58 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If >>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    How many points per day (PPD) are you getting? It should say in the
    control program if you click the graphics card etc. I'm on 2.2 million,
    using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a
    competition.

    I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

    Tired, eh?!!! ;-)

    Spell checkers aren't that bright. Why don't they put grammar checkers into newsreaders etc? MS Word won't let you get those words mixed up. Even the pirate version.

    This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

    Ah, you don't get in the stats until you've completed some work. You will then find yourself here:
    https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor

    How come you're not running it on the GPU? Those are much faster.

    As long as the ETA is a lot less than the "has x days to complete", you're doing something useful.

    Mind you 2.2 million is more than 11,000.

    HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

    Tha Apple? At least tired is a word. I don't think tha is in the dictionary.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 11:04:09 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in >>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if >>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
    aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
    not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
    you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to earth, possibly through you, so it trips).
    Unfortunately you have the cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you were to use
    that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire coming loose.

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what tripped when the iron was used, which means you
    have a very dodgy iron exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
    flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
    kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.

    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
    Don't look up tens torture devices.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If >>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
    internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is watching.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in gear.

    It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
    direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my >>>> friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that
    occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

    I had nothing to do with it. His dad arranged for him to disappear for
    a bit to a relative elsewhere.

    No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!

    Irish. Worse.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over >>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly misaligned. I straightened it, and he said
    thankyou. The other colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
    bike!
    There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

    Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
    sensor on the edge of the wheel.

    I can't recall my children having such things.

    This would be in about 1990. Before that I had a mechanical one which had a small wheel running along the side of the tyre.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had >>>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 11:11:34 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    You must have one hell of a shower to need a 50A breaker. Normally I see 32A breakers.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed May 4 06:55:53 2022
    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
    <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cds...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what >>>>>>>>> package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more >>>>>>>>> concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package. >>>>>>>>>
    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed >>>>>>>>> excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - >>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition >>>>>>>> like
    AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also >>>>>>>> cover
    the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, >>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any >>>>>>>> car I
    drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or >>>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their >>>>>>>> annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went >>>>>>>> into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all >>>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it >>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we >>>>>>>> didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire >>>>>>>> car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking). >>>>>>>>
    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're >>>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your >>>>>>> own
    car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less >>>>>>> than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
    Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science. >>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They >>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a >>>>> lot of
    around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I >>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
    warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in >>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if >>>> your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
    and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
    on a double outlet.
    Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
    I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
    A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.


    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?
    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
    In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

    Not by those that know what they are doing.

    Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

    Depending on how it is dameged.

    But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.
    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
    That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

    Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.

    I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
    A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
    go to bed midday get up about 7pm.


    A bit like being retired - like me!
    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am >>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in >>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must >>> get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
    as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
    You do make me smile, laddie!

    Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)


    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which >>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If >>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
    Understood. Thanks.
    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    Too many people wanting to go from A-B

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    But does that mean you have to travel faster.
    I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
    in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH


    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    I'd be up for that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
    drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 22:57:55 2022
    On 04/05/2022 11:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem
    to be closed securely.  Perhaps you should straighten those up incase
    the cover falls off.  I think the diagram means they should be
    horizontal to keep it closed.

    By jove, you are correct! I've never had the cover off myself and never
    paid it proper attention. Perhaps I'll remove it altogether and give it
    a good clean whilst I'm at it!

    Thanks.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed May 4 23:16:42 2022
    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many things >>> aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK socket is >>> not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.  So if >>> you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other?  Quite common I
    would think.  Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes.  Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >>>> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
    flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave >>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch >>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
    safety device.

    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
    Don't look up tens torture devices.

    Haha! :-)

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
    timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >>>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which >>>>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time.  If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my >>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
    meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it.  Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >>> signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and >>> more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy idea >>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow >>>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances.  Unfortunately I usually own a car without a functional handbrake.  Apart from the aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
    gear.

    You really are nuts!

    It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
    direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was
    giving my
    friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that >>>>> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

    Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

    I had nothing to do with it.  His dad arranged for him to disappear for >>> a bit to a relative elsewhere.

    No doubt he was Scottish too. Bad blood. (in jest!

    Irish.  Worse.

    Nice one!

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >>>>> gravity.

    OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated.  I turned round to follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned.  I straightened it, and he said thank you.  The other colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

    I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a
    bike!
    There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

    Mine was digital but counted the number of times a magnet passed the
    sensor on the edge of the wheel.

    I can't recall my children having such things.

    This would be in about 1990.  Before that I had a mechanical one which
    had a small wheel running along the side of the tyre.

    I vaguely remember something like that.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've >>>>> had
    it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
    for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
    get somewhere.  I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

    You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

    Stay safe and well!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed May 4 23:21:17 2022
    On 04/05/2022 14:55, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
    <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cds...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
    On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what >>>>>>>>>>> package?

    I'll check.
    I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more >>>>>>>>>>> concerned
    with Covid infections etc.

    We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package. >>>>>>>>>>>
    I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed >>>>>>>>>>> excellent
    service throughout.

    A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover - >>>>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition >>>>>>>>>> like
    AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also >>>>>>>>>> cover
    the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum, >>>>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any >>>>>>>>>> car I
    drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or >>>>>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their >>>>>>>>>> annual
    membership.

    I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went >>>>>>>>>> into
    'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all >>>>>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it >>>>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we >>>>>>>>>> didn't as
    we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire >>>>>>>>>> car
    (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking). >>>>>>>>>>
    All in all, very satisfied.

    Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're >>>>>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your >>>>>>>>> own
    car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less >>>>>>>>> than
    half what you do.

    Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
    Magani! ;-)

    I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science. >>>>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They >>>>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a >>>>>>> lot of
    around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I >>>>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
    warm....

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in >>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if >>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
    aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
    and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
    on a double outlet.
    Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
    I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
    A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.


    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >>>> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?
    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
    In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
    flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave >>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

    Not by those that know what they are doing.

    >Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

    Depending on how it is dameged.

    But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.
    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
    That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

    Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.

    I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
    A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
    go to bed midday get up about 7pm.


    A bit like being retired - like me!
    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am >>>>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in >>>>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must >>>>> get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told
    you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
    available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX >>> instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
    as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
    You do make me smile, laddie!

    Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)


    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >>>>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which >>>>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If >>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my >>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
    Understood. Thanks.
    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    Too many people wanting to go from A-B

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    But does that mean you have to travel faster.
    I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
    in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH


    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    I'd be up for that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >>>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
    drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut

    I'm going to let Commander Kinsey respond during his night shift! ;-)

    I like the idea of a special driving license for good drivers like us! ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu May 5 08:19:48 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:21:17 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 14:55, Whisky-dave wrote:
    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >>>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut

    I'm going to let Commander Kinsey respond during his night shift! ;-)

    Those consume tyres rather quickly.

    I like the idea of a special driving license for good drivers like us! ;-)

    All they need to do is charge people for accidents instead of speeding. Crash at 70, get points. Don't crash at 100, get no points.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu May 5 08:18:09 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 22:57:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem
    to be closed securely. Perhaps you should straighten those up incase
    the cover falls off. I think the diagram means they should be
    horizontal to keep it closed.

    By jove, you are correct! I've never had the cover off myself and never
    paid it proper attention. Perhaps I'll remove it altogether and give it
    a good clean whilst I'm at it!

    Thanks.

    Best to clean it with a damp cloth, including all the metal conductive parts, and make sure you earth yourself so you can discharge any stray electricity. Don't turn the power off, the current will help it remove the dirt.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Thu May 5 11:20:58 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu May 5 12:24:47 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things >>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use >>> 13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
    would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!

    I have fuses :-)

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >>>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?

    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
    timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which >>>>>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!

    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc

    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
    watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

    He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >>>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
    usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
    aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
    gear.

    You really are nuts!

    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >>>>>> gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!

    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
    follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've >>>>>> had
    it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
    for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
    get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

    You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

    Stay safe and well!

    If I get less well I will not be cycling.

    We will run out of Lithium.....

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu May 5 06:01:01 2022
    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things >>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use >>> 13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
    would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire >> coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.


    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >>>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook >>>>>>> timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which >>>>>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)


    But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
    One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.



    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
    watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
    He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

    Like carmeggedon.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >>>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
    usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
    aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in >> gear.

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill. Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.


    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >>>>>> gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
    follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.


    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've >>>>>> had
    it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it >> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to >> get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil.

    You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

    Stay safe and well!
    If I get less well I will not be cycling.

    We will run out of Lithium.....

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu May 5 16:24:44 2022
    On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby
    circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >>>>> but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many
    things
    aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK
    socket is
    not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.
    So if
    you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home
    use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other?  Quite common I
    would think.  Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes.  Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip.  Seems the strip
    was weaker than the 13A fuse.  I gave the irritated teacher two new
    strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room.  One
    washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

    OK

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again
    when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth.  Or
    through your wife.

    It's intermittent. The very worst kind of fault. Perhaps every seventh
    time she uses the iron. After a reset everything works fine again
    (including my Mrs!)

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!

    I have fuses :-)

    Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so
    I'm not
    sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >>>>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when >>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years. >>
    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?

    I thought it was a law.  Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
    55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

    May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast? https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

    You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my >>>>>>>> other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook >>>>>>>> timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now >>>>>>> covid
    research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, >>>>>>> which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the
    "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time.  If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it
    gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to
    trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are >>>>> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it.  Be ready to inhale a >>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    Nor be seen in a Roller, eh?!!

    But what exactly is the problem?  You blow where the dust settles.  If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

    Yes, I have used such cannisters.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!

    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer.  An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot
    away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    I get what you say - but it's not for me.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife.  She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of
    roadworks
    signs.  For another road.  He claimed it was because of the detour and >>>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit.  What a crazy >>>>> idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc

    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else.  The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    I've always recognised you to be an intelligent young fellow.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive >>>>>>> slow
    because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
    watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

    He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer.  Imagine god was a
    loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

    We could well be playthings in a computer game. I accept that.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a
    J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances.  Unfortunately I
    usually own a car without a functional handbrake.  Apart from the
    aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
    gear.

    You really are nuts!

    What do you use your handbrake for?  It really does serve no purpose.

    Parking on a hill. Cars left only in gear,
    have been known to 'creep'.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >>>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >>>>>>> gravity.

    OY!  I saw that!  You capitalised god!  You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!

    [titter]  So what bright things have you done in your life?

    That will need some thought!

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated.  I turned round to >>> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned.  I straightened it, and he said thank you.  The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I
    knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I heard what you said the first time. SOMETHING made you look!

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a
    poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing".
    Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes.  I have to
    wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their
    stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in
    the school).

    It took me a moment to notice that the 'n' was missing.

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've >>>>>>> had
    it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame. >>>>>>
    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
    bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
    for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
    get somewhere.  I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil. >>
    You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

    Stay safe and well!

    If I get less well I will not be cycling.

    Please email me and explain.

    We will run out of Lithium.....

    We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu May 5 17:35:02 2022
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 16:24:44 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again
    when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the >>>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. >>>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you >>>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire >>>> coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or
    through your wife.

    It's intermittent. The very worst kind of fault. Perhaps every seventh
    time she uses the iron. After a reset everything works fine again
    (including my Mrs!)

    Just open it and check for loose things. The iron that is.

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron >>>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go >>>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!

    I have fuses :-)

    Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

    Oh. A previous owner did one of those rewiring things you're meant to do. If it ain't broke don't fix it. When I were a lad (80s) I remember someone's house with the good old round pin sockets! My primary school had them too. Then some health and
    softy moron introduced a plug in circuit breaker for the BBC computer we used. It tripped every half an hour, possibly from the CUB monitor sending static to the chassis or the person touching it. I took it home for an expert friend of my dad to
    repair (then just opened it myself and bypassed it). That made it stop tripping :-)

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so >>>>>>>> I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >>>>>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >>>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when >>>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years. >>>
    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?

    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
    55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

    It says so on the pension documents I get every 6 months with the news about investments or something.

    May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast? https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

    You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

    It's not the state pension I'm referring to.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my >>>>>>>>> other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook >>>>>>>>> timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now >>>>>>>> covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, >>>>>>>> which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the
    "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in >>>>>>>> time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it >>>>>>>> gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to
    trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are >>>>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a >>>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    Nor be seen in a Roller, eh?!!

    What on earth has a Rolls Royce to do with an Apple?

    But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If
    that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air
    canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

    Yes, I have used such cannisters.

    I just use my mouth.

    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on >>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >>>>>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no >>>>>>>>>>>>> internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >>>>>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >>>>>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times. >>>>>>
    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!

    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were
    safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot
    away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    I get what you say - but it's not for me.

    Ah, a tender girly man.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of
    roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and >>>>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy >>>>>> idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc

    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that
    money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for
    them, or make things they want to buy.

    I've always recognised you to be an intelligent young fellow.

    I am based on logic, something most people lack. An animal has no logic, only emotion. Humans are supposed to be better than that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive >>>>>>>> slow
    because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
    watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!

    He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a
    loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a
    computer.

    We could well be playthings in a computer game. I accept that.

    Aha! So David Brooks is actually an agnostic!

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a
    J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I >>>> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
    aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in >>>> gear.

    You really are nuts!

    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    Parking on a hill. Cars left only in gear,
    have been known to 'creep'.

    I only found that once. A Rover on a very steep hill indeed. It didn't creep, it actually rolled down the hill at 5mph turning the engine over. I put the ignition on and it started!

    Anyway, the braking from the engine is always considerably more than a brake applied by what looks like a bicycle brake cable. Automatics care best, a pin goes through the gearbox in park. And yet those still have handbrakes?!?

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >>>>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >>>>>>>> gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!

    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    That will need some thought!

    Does that mean there are not many?

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to >>>> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.

    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I
    knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I heard what you said the first time. SOMETHING made you look!

    Yes, his face looked irritated. So my perception, not divine intervention. There's always a logical reason for things that religious nuts jump to conclusions about.

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a
    poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing".
    Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to
    wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their
    stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in
    the school).

    It took me a moment to notice that the 'n' was missing.

    https://www.specsavers.co.uk/

    Or did they mean leering?

    If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
    to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've >>>>>>>> had
    it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame. >>>>>>>
    That warrants a photograph!

    It is under many things in the shed.

    Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a >>>>> bike! ;-)

    I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it >>>> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to >>>> get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil. >>>
    You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.

    Stay safe and well!

    If I get less well I will not be cycling.

    Please email me and explain.

    We will run out of Lithium.....

    We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)

    Indeed - batteries can be made of all sorts.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri May 6 10:55:54 2022
    On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
    On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks


    We will run out of Lithium.....

    We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)


    Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
    dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other newsgroups.

    geoff

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  • From Savageduck@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu May 5 19:23:53 2022
    On 2022-05-05 22:55:54 +0000, geoff said:

    On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
    On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks


    We will run out of Lithium.....

    We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)


    Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
    extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
    newsgroups.

    geoff

    Agreed!
    DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd behavior.
    I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
    damage are all too evident.
    --
    Regards,
    Savageduck

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 11:24:23 2022
    On Fri, 06 May 2022 03:23:53 +0100, wrote:

    On 2022-05-05 22:55:54 +0000, geoff said:

    On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
    On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks


    We will run out of Lithium.....

    We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)


    Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
    dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
    extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
    newsgroups.

    geoff

    Agreed!
    DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd behavior.
    I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
    damage are all too evident.

    You have him ineffectively filtered, or you wouldn't be reading this thread. It says David Brooks right up there!!!!!! Come on! What shit are you using to filter?!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri May 6 22:06:48 2022
    On 06/05/2022 11:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
    dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
    extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
    newsgroups.

    geoff

    Agreed!
    DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd
    behavior.
    I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
    damage are all too evident.

    You have him ineffectively filtered, or you wouldn't be reading this thread.  It says David Brooks right up there!!!!!!  Come on!  What shit are you using to filter?!

    Will you explain to 'geoff' that I already HAVE my own (commandeered)
    Usenet group known as 'alt.computer.workshop'. Everyone is welcome!

    I'll be quite happy to come over to help him on 'rec.audio.pro' if he
    wants me to. Just say the word!

    Leonard (Savageduck) lets his real name slip out sometimes - I think he
    blames me for his mistakes.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to DGB@nomail.afraid.org on Tue May 10 07:44:59 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End >photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

    Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
    down here).
    This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
    might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
    faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
    I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
    annotation that is very important for future viewers.
    If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
    Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
    photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
    to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
    while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate
    further.
    https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Mon May 9 23:03:45 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 09/05/2022 22:44, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End
    photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

    Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
    down here).
    This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
    might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
    faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
    I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
    annotation that is very important for future viewers.
    If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
    Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
    photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
    to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
    while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate further.
    https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R


    Thank you for your efforts and comments, Peter.

    My parents died long ago and my younger son died when he was just 28
    years of age.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to DGB@nomail.afraid.org on Tue May 10 09:22:45 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Mon, 9 May 2022 23:03:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 09/05/2022 22:44, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End
    photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

    Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
    down here).
    This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
    might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
    faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
    I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
    annotation that is very important for future viewers.
    If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
    Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
    photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
    to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
    while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate
    further.
    https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R


    Thank you for your efforts and comments, Peter.

    My parents died long ago and my younger son died when he was just 28
    years of age.

    I'm sorry to hear that David. I too have lost many of the past and now
    I treasure all the old photos most of which have no comments on the
    subjects names and where/when they were taken. Lately I have been
    scrounging around distant relatives of my parents for their old photos
    with the deal being my scanning them and returning the originals along
    with my others they know nothing of. My father, long dead, once
    threw out three kilos of old negatives in an old shoe box to my
    endless regret. Lately I've been scanning old letters from WWII,
    wills, birth certificates etc and giving copies to all relatives who
    will take them.

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  • From Tony Cooper@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Tue May 10 00:15:35 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On Tue, 10 May 2022 07:44:59 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first >>>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
    great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
    example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End >>photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

    Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
    down here).
    This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
    might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
    faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
    I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
    annotation that is very important for future viewers.
    If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
    Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
    photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
    to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
    while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate >further.
    https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R


    Couldn't help taking a crack at it. I cleaned up the sky and brought
    in a little color in the sky. The sky shouldn't compete with the
    figures, so I went for just a little color. Cloned out a number of
    problems in the figures, but didn't work on the faces. Too little to
    work with.

    Cleaned up the yellow in the sign. Ran it through a High Pass
    filter/Overlay. Removed the "annotation" because viewers don't care
    what was done.

    Anytime you're working with scans of old photos, the quality of the
    finished job will depend on the quality of the scan. This was a poor
    scan to begin with.

    https://folio.ink/dbzQAR
    --

    Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

    I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Wed May 11 23:28:30 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 10/05/2022 00:22, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Mon, 9 May 2022 23:03:45 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 09/05/2022 22:44, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 5 May 2022 11:20:58 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
    <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
    [....]
    Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
    BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed >>>>>>>>> the wild Wallabies!

    https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr

    The colour has faded somewhat!

    Ah! Memories. :-D


    I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to >>>>>>> great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an >>>>>>> example of the successes.
    https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ


    Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.

    I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!

    Would you like another to 'play' with?

    Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
    Regards.


    Hello again, Peter.

    My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End >>>> photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

    Thanks.

    Yes somewhat. The photo is against the light. (the server has been
    down here).
    This is the best I could do for now, though your sending a larger file
    might help a little.) The yellow cast has gone, I've lightened the
    faces a little, sharpening the image reveals spots and scratches, and
    I've increased the vibrance a little. Importantly I've added the
    annotation that is very important for future viewers.
    If you can get PShop or similar then all the above is possible.
    Quality scanning means a lot too. If you have many many
    photos/slides then some commercial scanning service might be the way
    to go after which you can adjust and annotate at leisure. Do this
    while the subjects are still alive. And before the photos deteriorate
    further.
    https://postimg.cc/FkYdnr3R


    Thank you for your efforts and comments, Peter.

    My parents died long ago and my younger son died when he was just 28
    years of age.

    I'm sorry to hear that David. I too have lost many of the past and now
    I treasure all the old photos most of which have no comments on the
    subjects names and where/when they were taken. Lately I have been
    scrounging around distant relatives of my parents for their old photos
    with the deal being my scanning them and returning the originals along
    with my others they know nothing of. My father, long dead, once
    threw out three kilos of old negatives in an old shoe box to my
    endless regret. Lately I've been scanning old letters from WWII,
    wills, birth certificates etc and giving copies to all relatives who
    will take them.

    Thank you for your kind comment, Peter.

    You obviously find plenty to do with your spare time. Well done.

    Forgive me - may I ask you to provide a link to the image which you
    cleaned up for me? Thanks.

    --
    David

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri May 13 00:00:09 2022
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 14:55:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >> > wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in >> >>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if >> >>>> your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
    aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >> > not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >> > you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
    and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
    on a double outlet.

    "Probably won't happen" is no reason to put a potential fire in your house.

    Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
    I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
    A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.

    People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?
    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
    In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

    Is this acceptable to you? https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
    flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
    her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
    feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
    put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

    Not by those that know what they are doing.

    And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?

    Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

    Depending on how it is dameged.

    Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.

    But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.
    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
    That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

    Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

    Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.

    Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

    I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.

    Is English please?

    A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
    go to bed midday get up about 7pm.

    A bit like being retired - like me!
    I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

    This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am >> >>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in >> >>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must >> >>> get gold in everything.

    THAT was the one you showed me before.

    I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told
    you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
    available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX >> > instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
    as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
    You do make me smile, laddie!

    Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)

    I'm still on a very low fixed plan! I'm costing them a lot.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other >> >>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline >> >>>> and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - >> >>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If >> >>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to >> >>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
    Understood. Thanks.
    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
    holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
    their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
    front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
    internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
    speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
    would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    Too many people wanting to go from A-B

    If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    But does that mean you have to travel faster.
    I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
    in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH

    No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

    And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers. I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I
    drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So
    many people think thee left lane is only for going left.

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    I'd be up for that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >> >>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
    drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.

    Delete the last sentence and I agree.

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut

    I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri May 13 02:05:11 2022
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> >> >> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >> >>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >> >>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things >> >>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >> >>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >> >>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use >> >>> 13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
    would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown. >> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.

    I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem. Unless they want to lessen the risk of
    tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised hydraulics is fun.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire >> >> coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.

    Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses. They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating

    Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >> >>>>>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years. >> >
    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

    I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
    timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid >> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which >> >>>>>> kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my >> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)

    A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

    But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
    Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
    holidays
    in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
    bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the >> >>>>>>>>>>> front
    of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
    internet,
    no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)

    Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for >> >>>>>>>>>> speed
    cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA >> >>>>>>>>>> would
    warn you.

    There's substantiating evidence too!
    https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline

    1865: 4mph limit
    1897: 14mph
    1903: 20mph
    1966: 70mph
    Isn't it about time they increased it again?

    I once would have agreed with you.

    Why do you no longer agree?

    Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!

    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
    could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.

    What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage. This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.

    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.

    You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

    One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.

    Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery

    I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

    And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >> >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.

    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
    watching.

    GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
    He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

    Like carmeggedon.

    I had the splat pack.

    "I was in the war!!!"

    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >> >>>>>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.

    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
    usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
    aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in >> >> gear.

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.

    It would have to be a fucking steep hill, I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine
    and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.

    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force, >> >>>>>> gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde

    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows. They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
    follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.

    For example?

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.

    I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 16 05:41:51 2022
    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 00:00:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 14:55:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >> >>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >> > but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things >> > aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >> > not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >> > you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use >> 13 Amps!

    That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
    and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
    on a double outlet.
    "Probably won't happen" is no reason to put a potential fire in your house.

    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
    I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
    A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
    People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

    So, but I doubt more than 2 or 3 are running at the same time.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >> >> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?
    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
    In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
    Is this acceptable to you? https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

    Looks a bit risky what would happen if you plugged 5 fan heaters in.
    Strange that so many are off too.


    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the >> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in >> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her >> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only >> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

    Not by those that know what they are doing.
    And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?
    Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

    Depending on how it is dameged.
    Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.
    Best if the earth touches the live wire before a person does that's the point.

    But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.
    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
    That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
    Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.
    A damaged flex is likely to short yhe live to the earth blowing the fuse or cutout that's the point.


    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >> >>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

    Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
    Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

    It does, but like everything else it can be overruled to some extent.


    I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
    Is English please?

    I went to bed just after


    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    Too many people wanting to go from A-B
    If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

    Doesn;t work like that. As people have to stop a turn and slow down.
    Then more people would start traveling.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    But does that mean you have to travel faster.
    I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
    in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
    No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

    Facts show that doesn't work too well.


    And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers.
    Good brrakes are handy too, and a driver withy a brain is even better.

    I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the
    correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.
    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    I'd be up for that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >> >>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
    drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
    Delete the last sentence and I agree.
    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >> >>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut
    I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

    No idea how to spell it , seems to be country dependant.
    Why care about tyres as they also wear out quicker if you drive faster.


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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 16 06:49:43 2022
    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
    <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
    fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
    wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
    breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
    but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
    aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
    not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
    you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
    would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage
    together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
    I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.

    Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.


    Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised
    hydraulics is fun.

    I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the >> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. >> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should >> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you >> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The >> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.
    Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.

    Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.

    They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

    there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
    Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating
    Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

    When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when >> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age >> > of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
    I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

    Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68 They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
    timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are >> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a >> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
    A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

    It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .


    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
    What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
    What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.

    This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
    Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.

    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
    You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

    Still takes a distance to come to a stop.
    Even star trek takes that into account, which is why you need a structural integrity field,
    also used when accelerating it''s all past of the laws of momentum too.

    One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.
    Yeah I meant "both".

    Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

    You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and >> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
    I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

    Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)


    And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

    I doubt most were happy.

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in
    gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.


    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >> >>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye some shave and use eyebrow pencil. I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.

    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.


    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.
    For example?

    Watch them see what they are trying to do.
    One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
    After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
    Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
    So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
    She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
    But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)

    Such things have even happend to our academics, not looking atb the obvious first things, like check the PSU is actually switched on
    before you complain it's not working.

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
    I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

    We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
    while I'm eating, so my typical lunchtime is 12:30-13:30 another tech goes from 12:00-13:00 and the other goes from about 13:30 to 14:30,
    so the lab is always open 9:00-17:00, sometimes until 18:00.
    We sometimes swap our times around or is someone is on holiday or off sick, but the lab is always open.
    And if open there has to be at least 2 members of staff present, but we aren't too strict on that one.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue May 17 09:03:13 2022
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue May 17 09:23:04 2022
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff

    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    All this doubly problematical in 110/120v countries, where currents
    involved are around double those of 220/230/240v countries.

    geoff

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue May 17 05:07:33 2022
    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup, computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.



    All this doubly problematical in 110/120v countries, where currents
    involved are around double those of 220/230/240v countries.

    geoff

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu May 19 09:10:08 2022
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
    would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
    washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage
    together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
    I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.

    Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.

    It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension.

    Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised
    hydraulics is fun.

    I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.

    Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full
    torque.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
    prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
    compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
    earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the >> >> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. >> >> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should >> >> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you >> >> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The >> >> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.
    Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.

    Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.

    Or just get rid of the namby pamby breakers. I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.

    They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

    there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.

    Yankee pricks call it ground.

    Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !

    Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.

    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you >> >> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
    fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
    tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron >> >> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if >> >> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go >> >> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating
    Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

    When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.

    People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu May 19 05:23:58 2022
    On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 09:10:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I >> >> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one >> >> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage
    together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
    I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.

    Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.
    It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension. And most long leads are coiled and the lengh would still have a resistance whether coiled or not.

    And then there's the extra contact resistance, as you'd get an idiot saying but my extention cord was only 1 meter but I used 5 of them.

    Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine. Motorised
    hydraulics is fun.

    I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.
    Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full
    torque.

    Yes if you know what your doing and understand things, but it's those that don't understand is when H&S and warning are most useful.


    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to >> >> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it >> >> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to >> >> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.
    Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.

    Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.
    Or just get rid of the namby pamby breakers.

    Be difficult after spending many thousands on upgrading the electrics.

    I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.

    Not heard that one I'd say it's down to possible sueing if a kid or adult gets injured or killed.

    They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

    there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
    Yankee pricks call it ground.

    I guess we should be thankful they don;t call it the first floor as they do with buildings.


    Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !
    Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.
    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a >> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what >> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating
    Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

    When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buiyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.
    People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.

    Dependds who's buying

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue May 24 22:07:52 2022
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 22:23:04 +0100, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff

    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me and it was a log splitter.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    No, the cord is rated to 13A. The log splitter uses less than that.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    I found that with a triple adapter cube, running only 1kW.

    All this doubly problematical in 110/120v countries, where currents
    involved are around double those of 220/230/240v countries.

    That's the country's fault for using girly voltages.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue May 24 22:09:30 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.

    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.

    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.

    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue May 24 22:06:13 2022
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 13:41:51 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 00:00:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 14:55:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
    13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
    your house burns down around your hardware!

    It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit >> >> >>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

    Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

    Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, >> >> > but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things >> >> > aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is >> >> > not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if >> >> > you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
    warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use >> >> 13 Amps!

    That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
    and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
    on a double outlet.
    "Probably won't happen" is no reason to put a potential fire in your house.

    Depends how big you see this potential,

    In this age of health and softy at the slightest possibility, this really surprises me.

    this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets

    Nah, that's stupidity or cost cutting. This house has tonnes in the kitchen but fuck all elsewhere. But I think the previous owner added some. Maybe she liked to cook.

    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    Have you tried to buy one recently, they've become very expensive for no reason.

    Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
    I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
    A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
    People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

    So, but I doubt more than 2 or 3 are running at the same time.

    2 is enough to overload a 20A double socket.

    Oops flood, etc, let's dry the carpet. Two 3kW fanheaters in a double socket running all day.

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my >> >> >> wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?
    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
    In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
    Is this acceptable to you?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

    Looks a bit risky what would happen if you plugged 5 fan heaters in.
    Strange that so many are off too.

    It's not connected yet. I just bought it for a tenner on Ebay.

    And in answer to your question, they would simply trip.

    The earth leakage ones
    hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
    disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the >> >> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in >> >> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her >> >> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
    it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave >> >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only >> >> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
    argument or two.

    [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

    Not by those that know what they are doing.
    And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?
    Consider you touch
    a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
    get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

    Depending on how it is dameged.
    Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.
    Best if the earth touches the live wire before a person does that's the point.

    But if the live wire is the kettle cord, it doesn't have much chance of that.

    But now imagine your knee is
    touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
    knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
    safety device.
    Oh! Shiver me timbers!

    But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
    That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
    Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.
    A damaged flex is likely to short yhe live to the earth blowing the fuse or cutout that's the point.

    Not if only the live is exposed. Usually only one wire gets bared.

    Happened to me with a lawnmower. Who earthed my garden?

    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not >> >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon. >> >> >>
    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big >> >> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.

    Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
    Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

    It does, but like everything else it can be overruled to some extent.

    To a lot of extent, the stats show most people don't stick to 24 hours, that's why we need alarm clocks and hate getting up in the morning.

    I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
    Is English please?

    I went to bed just after

    Sounds like your timing is worse than mine.

    The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
    That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
    vehicles on the road.

    Too many people wanting to go from A-B
    If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

    Doesn;t work like that. As people have to stop a turn and slow down.

    WTF? You can turn faster too. I often overtake people on roundabouts.

    Then more people would start traveling.

    Gypsies?

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks >> >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea >> >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    But does that mean you have to travel faster.
    I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
    in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
    No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

    Facts show that doesn't work too well.

    No, bullshit government propaganda does.

    And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers.
    Good brrakes are handy too, and a driver withy a brain is even better.

    Brakes are for losers.

    I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the
    correct lane there - the highway code is very clear. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.
    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    I'd be up for that.

    Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

    Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow >> >> >>> because they find driving difficult.

    Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

    Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
    You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?

    Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
    drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
    Delete the last sentence and I agree.
    Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? >> >> >>
    I would if you were going forwards!

    I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
    I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
    underway - travelling forwards!

    How about a donut /Doughnut
    I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

    No idea how to spell it , seems to be country dependant.

    We're conversing in English, so you should spell it the English way. American isn't a language.

    Why care about tyres as they also wear out quicker if you drive faster.

    Only if you skid.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu May 26 01:45:23 2022
    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?


    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to >> start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu May 26 16:58:13 2022
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when >> >> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age >> >> > of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
    I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

    Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68

    That was simply a stupid change in the law to make people work longer despite there being more people than jobs already.

    They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.

    How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
    timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
    time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are >> >> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
    sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a >> >> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
    A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

    It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .

    Do you buy a certain colour of fridge freezer too? Are you female?

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
    like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
    What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
    What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.

    How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?

    This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
    Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.

    Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.

    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
    You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

    Still takes a distance to come to a stop.

    But the car in front also takes some distance. The only difference between the car in front and the car behind is the point in time the brakes were pressed. So just reaction time.

    Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

    You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.

    The French are less prudish than the Brits and therefore more sensible.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and >> >> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.

    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
    I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

    Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)

    I never said they had to be male.

    And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

    I doubt most were happy.

    They were, look it up. Easy life.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon May 30 02:41:17 2022
    On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 16:58:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
    I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

    Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68
    That was simply a stupid change in the law to make people work longer despite there being more people than jobs already.

    That wasn't the reason it is because pensions not being able to last until death due to the average life expectancy increasing over the years.


    They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.
    How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.

    But if you live longer than expected then you draw more money than you were expecting.
    It's very simialr in inflation.


    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook >> >> >>>>>>> timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in >> >> >>>>>> time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a >> >> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
    A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

    It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .
    Do you buy a certain colour of fridge freezer too? Are you female?

    No more than I would with a car or bike or even clothes.

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them >> >> > like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
    What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
    What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.
    How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?

    not by much and that is the problem.

    This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
    Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.
    Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.

    I wonder how long it takes to put down the mobile phone or finish reading the latest post before looking up
    and colliding with a stationary vehicle.
    The local road was closed this morning as a car had driven into a house.
    The house had been there fopr about 100 years so not sure what excuse the driver
    might have for not seeing it and being able to stop.


    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
    You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

    Still takes a distance to come to a stop.
    But the car in front also takes some distance. The only difference between the car in front and the car behind is the point in time the brakes were pressed. So just reaction time.

    even if reaction time is instantanous no car is able to stop instantanously.

    Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

    You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.
    The French are less prudish than the Brits and therefore more sensible.

    No I had 2 french GF and one french flatmate they can be quite arrogant.
    I think it is in their nature, you only have to know what happend regarding whatever at cup final
    this weekend .


    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
    overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan. >> >> >
    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
    I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

    Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)
    I never said they had to be male.

    But they were.

    And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

    I doubt most were happy.
    They were, look it up. Easy life.

    That's a fantasy mostly only reanacted in fetish clubs.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue May 31 02:40:31 2022
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.

    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?

    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to >> >> start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it. >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.

    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through
    normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.

    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue May 31 04:19:33 2022
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup, >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions, >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.

    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.



    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.


    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.



    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through
    normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers. If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all, then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jun 1 04:29:29 2022
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.

    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in
    gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.

    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.

    You live in a city? Why?

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.

    What weird things to steal!

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go >> >> >>>>>>>> over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye

    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.

    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.

    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.

    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.

    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly >> >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to >> >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.
    For example?

    Watch them see what they are trying to do.
    One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
    After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
    Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
    So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
    She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
    But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)

    ROTFPMSL!

    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
    I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

    We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
    while I'm eating,

    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 2 06:23:25 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 13:23:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 09:10:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
    13 Amps!

    Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I >> >> >> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one >> >> >> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.

    Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
    I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage
    together.

    I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
    Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
    I see all sorts of weird stuff like that. My dad's log splitter is 2kW (might be 2.5) and says not to use on an extension cord over 5m. I have a 50m cord that says 13A (just over 3kW), so I don't see the problem.

    Thought you knew about physics, it''s a coil and due to induction( sort of eddy currents, resisyance/impedance) and the like it is more likely to heat up and retain that heat than a single lengh of cable.
    It didn't mention coils, it mentioned length of extension. And most long leads are coiled and the lengh would still have a resistance whether coiled or not.

    And then there's the extra contact resistance, as you'd get an idiot saying but my extention cord was only 1 meter but I used 5 of them.

    It doesn't say not to use 5, it says not to use a long one.

    Unless they want to lessen the risk of tripping over it? It's running on a 10m cord half unwound attached to a 10m cord fully unwound which is already there for a freezer. I've split about 50 1-tonne bags of logs with it and it works fine.
    Motorised hydraulics is fun.

    I doubt it's on for very long periods continiously that is.
    Indeed, no problems at all. Probably 50% duty cycle while I do a barrow load, then the same time resting. So 50% for half the time is 25% overall. And I presume 2.5kW is when it's pushing against the log hard, a lot of time it's not working at full
    torque.

    Yes if you know what your doing and understand things, but it's those that don't understand is when H&S and warning are most useful.

    Why should we protect the stupid?

    I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
    wife is doing the ironing.

    The earth leakage type or the overload type?

    Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

    Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

    Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to >> >> >> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it >> >> >> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to >> >> >> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
    cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
    It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
    trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
    were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
    coming loose.

    It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
    small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
    Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

    If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
    and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
    Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
    and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
    which was earthed.
    Some of the lighting in my house uses earth instead of neutral because it was more convenient to connect to that. Just aswell I only have fuses.

    Yes I had to re-wire the old PSUs in a school because of that.
    Or just get rid of the namby pamby breakers.

    Be difficult after spending many thousands on upgrading the electrics.

    Never heard of a nail? I did that when I was a teenager. I needed 20 amps form a 13A plug.

    I changed some breakers to less sensitive ones - the ones that are somehow ok for kids in their homes but illegal for kids in a school. They somehow become more sensitive when they're at school.

    Not heard that one I'd say it's down to possible sueing if a kid or adult gets injured or killed.

    Yip, legal bullshit. Based on the stupid idea that a kid is more sensitive to shocks when in a different building. Well I disproved that by shocking a kid through a home breaker. He hardly felt a thing.

    They're the same thing anyway, there are only 2 conductors coming into my house.

    there's a reason why the third wire is called Earth.
    Yankee pricks call it ground.

    I guess we should be thankful they don't call it the first floor as they do with buildings.

    Now that is actually one of the things I like about Americans. Why do we start with ground then say the first floor is the one you have to climb a flight of stairs to get to? The ground floor is a floor, it has floorboards and a carpet, just like the
    rest. It is not on the ground, there is a gap under it. That is therefore the first floor you come to. Buildings are not computers, you should not start at zero!

    Just think of teh cost of wiring if it needed to be connected to the moon or even Mars !
    Mine is not connected to earth here, it's connected to the transformer ('s earth). You'd think they could just run the 240V cable then use a spike at each house.
    The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
    using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a >> >> >> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what >> >> >> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
    exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

    No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

    [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
    you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
    off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

    Understood - but I didn't choose it!
    I have fuses :-)

    I do too and thinking of updating
    Why bother? You'll just earn yourself nuisance trips.

    When selling and moving on it's a good plus-point for new buyers, I might even have to wash the curtains.
    People don't give a fuck about things like that. They know it will cost them nothing compared to the price of the house if they want to change it.

    Depends who's buying

    There are usually several potential buyers. My sister just sold her house, one of them was picky like that, she just sold it to another one.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 2 07:54:19 2022
    On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:41:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 16:58:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
    sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

    I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
    shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

    I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
    ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

    A bit like being retired - like me!

    I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

    I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
    of just 55?
    I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

    Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
    Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
    I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).

    Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68 >> That was simply a stupid change in the law to make people work longer despite there being more people than jobs already.

    That wasn't the reason it is because pensions not being able to last until death due to the average life expectancy increasing over the years.

    Still a stupid idea. If we make people work to a higher age, this raises unemployment, so benefits are paid instead of pensions. What do we gain? Nothing. There's only a certain amount of work that needs done, it should be shared equally among all
    citizens. Lower the retirement age or lower the working hours, that way every single person works the same amount and everyone is happy.

    They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.
    How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.

    But if you live longer than expected then you draw more money than you were expecting.
    It's very simialr in inflation.

    Wrong way round.

    If I retire at 65 and live to 85, I draw a pension for 20 years.
    If I retire early at 45 and live to 85, I draw a pension for twice as long, but they half the amount I get per year, so I get the same amount.

    Now consider I live 10 years longer than expected.

    If I retire at 65 and live to 95, I draw a pension for 30 years, costing them 50% more than they thought.
    If I retire early at 45 and live to 95, I draw a pension for 50 years at half the amount per year and cost them only 25% more than expected.

    I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
    one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook >> >> >> >>>>>>> timeline
    and the group which I run.

    Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
    research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
    kills far more.

    Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
    it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in >> >> >> >>>>>> time. If
    it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
    the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
    cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

    I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
    meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

    Understood. Thanks.

    To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a >> >> >> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
    lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

    Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
    I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

    This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
    A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.

    It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .
    Do you buy a certain colour of fridge freezer too? Are you female?

    No more than I would with a car or bike or even clothes.

    So why with a computer?

    We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them >> >> >> > like a train!
    Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

    That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
    What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
    What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.
    How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?

    not by much and that is the problem.

    No it isn't. You and the car in front are both going 60mph, 1 foot apart. If he jams his brakes on, by the time you come into contact with him, you will be going 60 and he will be going say 57. So an impact of 3mph or fuck all. But with a bigger gap,
    the closing speed would have got much more.

    This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
    Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.
    Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.

    I wonder how long it takes to put down the mobile phone or finish reading the latest post before looking up
    and colliding with a stationary vehicle.

    I don't need my hands to operate the brakes. I can do an emergency stop while still holding my phone, which by the way I can drop in preference to damaging the car which costs more than the phone.

    The local road was closed this morning as a car had driven into a house.
    The house had been there fopr about 100 years so not sure what excuse the driver
    might have for not seeing it and being able to stop.

    Poor quality google map? Or maybe the house owner was one of those arseholes with the driveway light that shines horizontally and acts like a full beam into everyone's eyes?

    I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
    I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
    You don't have to stop in 2m, you have to react in 2m.

    Still takes a distance to come to a stop.
    But the car in front also takes some distance. The only difference between the car in front and the car behind is the point in time the brakes were pressed. So just reaction time.

    even if reaction time is instantanous no car is able to stop instantanously.

    If two identical cars even 1 inch apart brake at precisely the same time, they will remain 1 inch apart and no collision will occur.

    Driverless boys?! No no, they must be tied up and given strict instructions.

    You back in fantasy mode or the french version of DIY.
    The French are less prudish than the Brits and therefore more sensible.

    No I had 2 french GF and one french flatmate they can be quite arrogant.
    I think it is in their nature, you only have to know what happend regarding whatever at cup final
    this weekend .

    I assume these French GFs were keen on sex? Most French are. no inhibitions, just walk around naked and fuck everyone, the way it should be.

    I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me >> >> >> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
    signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
    more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
    - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!

    Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

    And delegate?

    Yes, that too!

    Remember the adage that I was taught.

    'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan. >> >> >> >
    In truth though:-

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.

    Hilaire Belloc
    This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

    For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery
    I do. I'd love to have someone else doing things for me, preferably naked.

    Back to your chimney boys & mary poppins fantasies are we ;-)
    I never said they had to be male.

    But they were.

    Who were? How do you know what sex my slaves were?

    And actually most slaves were very happy, they got a free home in a nice place. They didn't have to concern themselves with finances either.

    I doubt most were happy.
    They were, look it up. Easy life.

    That's a fantasy mostly only reanacted in fetish clubs.

    No, it's a historical fact.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 2 12:51:13 2022
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup, >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions, >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
    that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.

    Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more
    easily without breaking the flowers.

    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.

    A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

    And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.

    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.

    Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.

    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never
    trip.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and >> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.

    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.

    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through
    normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers. If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......

    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,

    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.

    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jun 6 02:49:44 2022
    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose. >> >
    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time
    in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.


    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
    follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.
    For example?

    Watch them see what they are trying to do.
    One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
    After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
    Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
    So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
    She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
    But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)
    ROTFPMSL!
    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
    I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

    We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
    while I'm eating,
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jun 6 03:23:43 2022
    On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere. >> >> >> >
    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
    that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
    Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more
    easily without breaking the flowers.
    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
    A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

    Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
    I've never needed to do it.




    And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

    No idea never had one.

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.

    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.


    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
    Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.



    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never
    trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.


    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through
    normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.


    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.
    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jun 7 19:25:07 2022
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose. >> >> >
    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.

    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time
    in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?

    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.

    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.

    Surely just print one?

    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.

    They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.

    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.

    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.

    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
    OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
    follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
    misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
    colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.

    The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
    In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

    I do the same with students.
    For example?

    Watch them see what they are trying to do.
    One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
    After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
    Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
    So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
    She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
    But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-) >> ROTFPMSL!
    We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a
    punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

    I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
    I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
    I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.

    We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
    while I'm eating,
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.

    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jun 7 21:27:46 2022
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.

    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jun 7 21:18:40 2022
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere. >> >> >> >> >
    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about >> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
    that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
    Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more
    easily without breaking the flowers.
    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
    A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

    Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
    I've never needed to do it.

    Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells
    trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.

    And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

    No idea never had one.

    Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.

    No, most are on a non-conducting floor, or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican
    wave.

    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.

    If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

    It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

    And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

    Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the
    ladder.

    You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water. They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a
    feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
    Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .

    If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.

    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never
    trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.

    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.

    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB. >> Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.

    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging
    through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.

    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.
    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.

    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid. It only kills the weak.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jun 9 05:38:40 2022
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a
    time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.

    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
    They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

    Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.


    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence! >> >> >> >>>
    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D >> >> >> >>
    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.

    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    Out of term time it varies but mostly 9-5.
    But we might have to close for a couple of weeks in july due to holidays.
    Don't open at the weekends unless there's an event, we can't leave the lab just open with £250k+ worth of equipment in it.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jun 9 06:40:37 2022
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jun 9 06:34:35 2022
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
    that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
    Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more
    easily without breaking the flowers.
    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
    A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

    Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
    I've never needed to do it.
    Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells
    trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.
    And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

    No idea never had one.
    Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

    Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.
    No, most are on a non-conducting floor,

    Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
    Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.

    or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

    Can be but mostly make things safer.


    It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

    It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.


    And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

    Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.


    Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the
    ladder.
    That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.


    You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.

    Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.

    They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

    Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
    Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
    If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

    But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will
    never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.
    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Differnt usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging
    through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.


    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.


    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest >> > against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.

    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.

    I've notice that I haven'teven had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jun 11 01:59:21 2022
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.

    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a
    time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.

    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.

    Are you a teenager?

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.

    Most people have a printer. And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!

    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
    They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

    Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.

    Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence! >> >> >> >> >>>
    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D >> >> >> >> >>
    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style

    Religious claptrap.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.

    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.

    I don't like her nose.

    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.

    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Out of term time it varies but mostly 9-5.
    But we might have to close for a couple of weeks in july due to holidays. Don't open at the weekends unless there's an event, we can't leave the lab just open with £250k+ worth of equipment in it.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jun 13 04:55:14 2022
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:


    Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
    houses don't have enough sockets
    and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
    3 extra sockets to use some have more.

    He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
    double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.

    Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
    computer 'suite', and music room.

    geoff
    Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
    washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.

    It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
    and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
    Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.

    why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
    No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.

    I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
    I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
    having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
    that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
    I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
    Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them
    more easily without breaking the flowers.
    If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
    A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

    Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
    I've never needed to do it.
    Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who
    fells trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.
    And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

    No idea never had one.
    Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

    Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.

    Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.
    No, most are on a non-conducting floor,

    Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
    Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.

    Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

    or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

    Can be but mostly make things safer.

    I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are
    not earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?

    It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

    It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.

    A lot of American outlets have no switch!

    And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

    Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.

    No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most
    likely start up again.

    Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the
    ladder.
    That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.

    Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.

    You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.

    Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.

    Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

    They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

    Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.

    It is safe if it's kept away from your head.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
    Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
    If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

    But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.

    So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jun 13 05:10:25 2022
    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a
    time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.


    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.

    And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!
    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
    They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

    Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.
    Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.

    Not that I know of, haven;t seen that for years.
    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it. >>
    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just liike I have a break to have a shit.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.

    Out of term time it varies but mostly 9-5.
    But we might have to close for a couple of weeks in july due to holidays. Don't open at the weekends unless there's an event, we can't leave the lab just open with £250k+ worth of equipment in it.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jun 13 05:25:13 2022
    On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 04:55:26 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

    Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.
    Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

    I've seen programes ask for such things they pay from £100-£250

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the
    circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.
    No, most are on a non-conducting floor,

    Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
    Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.
    Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

    More than enough to kill, especailly as it'll contain all sorts of salts in bathwater.


    or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

    Can be but mostly make things safer.
    I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not
    earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?
    It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

    It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.
    A lot of American outlets have no switch!

    Some of ours don't in the lab 2 on each desks don't have a switch they have thier own fuse though and a trip.

    And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

    Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.
    No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most
    likely start up again.

    Most liikely isn't worth the risk.

    Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off
    the ladder.
    That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.
    Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.
    You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.

    Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.
    Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

    doesn't matter after it sold .

    They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

    Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.
    It is safe if it's kept away from your head.

    If,

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage. >> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
    If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

    But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.
    So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.

    How would that of helped.
    But at elast he noticed one of our better student, if he;d walked off and left it while he went for a coffeee then what ?


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jun 14 04:53:33 2022
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.

    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating

    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.

    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jun 14 01:54:39 2022
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.

    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.

    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.


    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
    The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jun 15 09:19:20 2022
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.

    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at
    a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.

    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.

    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved >> >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.

    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.

    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!
    would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
    They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

    Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.
    Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.

    Not that I know of, haven;t seen that for years.

    Maybe the locking wheelnuts.

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside

    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too, I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?

    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it. >> >>
    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.

    Because she's an idiot.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit.

    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.

    That is not as interruptible as eating.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 16 07:45:06 2022
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.

    Best to use petrol.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will
    never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.

    Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.

    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.

    Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.

    They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.

    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging
    through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.

    You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .

    I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A supply,
    buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.

    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.

    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest >> >> > against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.

    It doesn't kill fit people.

    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice? https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp

    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.

    Mind and body are one and the same.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?

    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.

    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.

    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 16 08:23:56 2022
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:25:13 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 04:55:26 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

    Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.
    Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

    I've seen programes ask for such things they pay from £100-£250

    What programs?

    Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
    Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the
    circuit.

    that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
    That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
    A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
    Most people stand on this planet called earth.
    No, most are on a non-conducting floor,

    Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
    Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.
    Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

    More than enough to kill,

    Only with a weak heart.

    especailly as it'll contain all sorts of salts in bathwater.

    What salts?

    or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

    Can be but mostly make things safer.
    I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not
    earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?
    It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

    It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.
    A lot of American outlets have no switch!

    Some of ours don't in the lab 2 on each desks don't have a switch they have thier own fuse though and a trip.

    Isn't that fucking inconvenient? Switches are useful. It also prevents a flash (which damages the contacts) when you plug something in.

    And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

    Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.
    No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most
    likely start up again.

    Most liikely isn't worth the risk.

    Very small risk.

    Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off
    the ladder.
    That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs. >> Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.
    You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.

    Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.
    Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

    doesn't matter after it sold .

    What they don't realise is Ebay has a money back guarantee.

    They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

    Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.
    It is safe if it's kept away from your head.

    If,

    Well it does tell you to do that in the instructions.

    But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage. >> >> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

    But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
    Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
    One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
    Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
    If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

    But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.
    So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.

    How would that of helped.

    He could have put it out or pressed the fire alarm button.

    But at elast he noticed one of our better student, if he;d walked off and left it while he went for a coffeee then what ?

    A scorched desk is probably all.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jun 16 05:53:27 2022
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.


    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches
    at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer

    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say nthey aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.
    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.


    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.

    I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.
    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals. Wow what a life.




    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.
    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    No I do it at work.
    I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
    I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.



    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.


    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and wonmen used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.



    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit.

    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.
    Because sometimes it;s not quiet from 9am to 6pm.
    Some of our classes are of 600 , we have to split them up throught the day.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.
    That is not as interruptible as eating.

    They can learn to wait it''s part of their training for the real world.
    Eevn if they only end up in a burger bar they might be open from 6am to midnight but staff are still allowed breaks

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jun 16 06:17:28 2022
    On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 07:45:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.
    Best to use petrol.

    until it runs out

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will
    never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.
    Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.
    Maybe being smaller kids ahve lower resistance and genallry wetter snd snottier or whatever.

    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.
    Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

    Bad design, to save money.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.
    They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

    Few of our students are drunk, it's not like the olde days of univs.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.
    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging
    through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me
    protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.
    You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

    Well they try to stop it, but when you're boss is the one doing the fiddling .

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .
    I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A supply,
    buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50 , which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them , they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.


    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it. >> >> Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.
    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .


    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice? https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?
    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.
    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.
    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pWvfDiiE

    my office is at about 1:35

    and with 600 students in the lab how do you tell which handle a particual students used ?
    and the 100s of leads and equipment in the lab, the knobs buttons etc...


    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jun 22 19:22:30 2022
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.

    No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.

    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.

    So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.

    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.

    Here is TWE being overloaded:
    https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
    Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.
    Continue watching, or fastforward, to see it catastrophically fail.
    Apologies for the Queen's English.

    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
    The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.

    It's similar thickness. The copper is what stiffens it. In fact if you strip some of it the insulation is quite flexible, while the copper remains stiff.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jun 23 19:52:09 2022
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.

    It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches
    at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer

    If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock.

    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say nthey aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?

    I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.

    Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.

    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back to
    bash their heads off the roof.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.

    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.

    I'd prefer to go somewhere more quiet with her. You can't exactly fuck someone in the middle of a nightclub.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals. Wow what a life.

    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.
    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    No I do it at work.
    I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
    I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.

    Then you waste money.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.

    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.

    I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and wonmen used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.

    So not needed nowadays.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.

    Intelligence does not change someone's looks. Anyway she has a fucking good voice.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak. >> >
    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit.

    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.
    Because sometimes it;s not quiet from 9am to 6pm.
    Some of our classes are of 600 , we have to split them up throught the day.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.
    That is not as interruptible as eating.

    They can learn to wait it''s part of their training for the real world.
    Eevn if they only end up in a burger bar they might be open from 6am to midnight but staff are still allowed breaks

    A lot of jobs don't give you breaks.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jun 24 03:36:22 2022
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:22:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.
    No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.
    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.
    So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.
    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.
    Here is TWE being overloaded:
    https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
    Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.

    Yes when it's overrated I doubt flex would be any different.
    Shown the importance of having a fuse and maybe a MCB or RCD would trip quicker as the insulation burns through and they conductors short to earth.

    Continue watching, or fastforward, to see it catastrophically fail.
    Apologies for the Queen's English.

    ;-)

    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
    The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.
    It's similar thickness. The copper is what stiffens it. In fact if you strip some of it the insulation is quite flexible, while the copper remains stiff.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jun 24 04:35:40 2022
    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 19:52:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.
    It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

    I've encountered more than that on driving lessons in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn. If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.



    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few
    inches at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer
    If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock. >> > Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say they aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
    I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

    you said you had that situation for 6 months how long does it take to fix a handbrake ?

    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.
    Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.

    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back to
    bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads




    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)

    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47



    I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.
    I'd prefer to go somewhere more quiet with her. You can't exactly fuck someone in the middle of a nightclub.
    It's happened in one I've gone to called TG, but it's not my sort of thing and the music was a bit repetitive
    and bleepy/techno but the sights and people are interesting.



    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.
    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    No I do it at work.
    I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
    I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.
    Then you waste money.

    I just don't buy a lot of stuff.
    Looking to buy a big lens, a normal photo printer and a 3D printer before then end of the summer.


    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.
    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    That is annoying I take a day off or have it delivered to work.
    Have you thought about a security box and padlock.


    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I haven't got a doorbell.
    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.
    I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.

    That's bad I've not had any problems with amazon but then again don;t have much delivered to home unless it's a large thing.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life? >> >> >> >> >> >
    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and women used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell
    the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.
    So not needed nowadays.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.
    Intelligence does not change someone's looks. Anyway she has a fucking good voice.

    I'm not saying I'd kick her out of my kitchen ;-)
    Just not my preferred type.


    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit.

    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.
    Because sometimes it;s not quiet from 9am to 6pm.
    Some of our classes are of 600 , we have to split them up throught the day.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.
    That is not as interruptible as eating.

    They can learn to wait it''s part of their training for the real world. Eevn if they only end up in a burger bar they might be open from 6am to midnight but staff are still allowed breaks
    A lot of jobs don't give you breaks.

    Most do, unless you have to take a job that doesn't or zero hour contracts.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jun 25 16:21:07 2022
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:17:28 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 07:45:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.
    Best to use petrol.

    until it runs out

    47 years left.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will
    never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess. >> Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.
    Maybe being smaller kids ahve lower resistance and genallry wetter snd snottier or whatever.

    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.
    Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

    Bad design, to save money.

    No bad design anywhere. Explain.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.
    They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

    Few of our students are drunk, it's not like the olde days of univs.

    How old are we talking? When me and my sister were at uni everyone got drunk regularly. I'm 46 and she's 41.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.
    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging
    through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince
    me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.
    You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

    Well they try to stop it, but when you're boss is the one doing the fiddling.

    Then point it out to someone higher up, or the police.

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .
    I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A supply,
    buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.

    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    Or use Ebay, I can see 40 people selling those from £60 to £100. And more at a higher price.

    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.

    Huh?

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.

    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it. >> >> >> Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.
    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him

    His policies are wonderful.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .

    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .

    That's hardly the norm.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?
    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.
    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.
    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pWvfDiiE

    my office is at about 1:35

    and with 600 students in the lab how do you tell which handle a particual students used ?
    and the 100s of leads and equipment in the lab, the knobs buttons etc...

    I was thinking more of people going along corridors.

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.

    You use one at home or in a gym.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jun 25 19:09:08 2022
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 11:36:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:22:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved
    earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.
    No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.
    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.
    So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.
    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.
    Here is TWE being overloaded:
    https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
    Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.

    Yes when it's overrated I doubt flex would be any different.
    Shown the importance of having a fuse and maybe a MCB or RCD would trip quicker as the insulation burns through and they conductors short to earth.

    Any fuse or breaker would trip very quickly with an overload that big, way before the wire. You don't need ELCB for that.

    What annoys me is unfused wires, take for example the monumentally stupid design of a ring main. So if one side comes undone, everything continues to work, but the fuse is no longer suitable for the single wire left.

    We used to have a brilliant system with the round pin ones, fuse in the box for every outlet.

    No idea why they got rid of the round pins.

    Continue watching, or fastforward, to see it catastrophically fail.
    Apologies for the Queen's English.

    ;-)

    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
    The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.
    It's similar thickness. The copper is what stiffens it. In fact if you strip some of it the insulation is quite flexible, while the copper remains stiff.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jun 25 19:29:04 2022
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:35:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 19:52:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
    It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.
    It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

    I've encountered more than that on driving lessons

    Are you younger than I thought? I thought you were older than me.

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn. If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.

    They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few
    inches at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer
    If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock. >> >> > Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say they aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
    I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

    you said you had that situation for 6 months how long does it take to fix a handbrake ?

    It wasn't broken, the footbrake was broken.

    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down. >> Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.

    Gears.

    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back to
    bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.

    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.

    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.

    The police should have had to give you a lift.

    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads

    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)

    That sounds fun with all the mud and scantily clad girls.

    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47

    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.
    I'd prefer to go somewhere more quiet with her. You can't exactly fuck someone in the middle of a nightclub.
    It's happened in one I've gone to called TG, but it's not my sort of thing and the music was a bit repetitive
    and bleepy/techno but the sights and people are interesting.

    Sex in the middle of the nightclub? Cool. What happened? Did anyone stop them?

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means

    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.
    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    No I do it at work.
    I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
    I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.
    Then you waste money.

    I just don't buy a lot of stuff.
    Looking to buy a big lens,

    I used to have a "Bigma". The largest Sigma telephoto - a zoom from 50mm - 500mm. https://live.staticflickr.com/2164/2238883747_a33bc23b33.jpg

    a normal photo printer and a 3D printer before then end of the summer.

    I thought about a 3D printer, but realised I wouldn't use it that much. Just now and then to make a replacement part for something. If I really need that, people on Ebay will do it for you for a tenner.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.

    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.
    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    That is annoying I take a day off or have it delivered to work.

    Yes but if they don't say what day or time.

    Have you thought about a security box and padlock.

    There is a shed and CCTV. If the idiots won't put it in the shed, I doubt they'd put it in a box.

    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I haven't got a doorbell.

    Chav.

    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.

    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.
    I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.

    That's bad I've not had any problems with amazon but then again don;t have much delivered to home unless it's a large thing.

    I don't think it's any one courier in particular, it just depends on the driver.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life? >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and women used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell
    the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.
    So not needed nowadays.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.

    I prefer the natural style.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.
    Intelligence does not change someone's looks. Anyway she has a fucking good voice.

    I'm not saying I'd kick her out of my kitchen ;-)

    How about the bedroom?

    Just not my preferred type.

    Who is your ideal woman?

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit.

    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.
    Because sometimes it;s not quiet from 9am to 6pm.
    Some of our classes are of 600 , we have to split them up throught the day.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.
    That is not as interruptible as eating.

    They can learn to wait it''s part of their training for the real world.
    Eevn if they only end up in a burger bar they might be open from 6am to midnight but staff are still allowed breaks
    A lot of jobs don't give you breaks.

    Most do, unless you have to take a job that doesn't or zero hour contracts.

    They tend to get abused. I know the woman who works as a secretary at the local police station. 12 hours, no break. If she made a complaint they'd probably arrest her.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jun 25 17:57:38 2022
    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 19:09:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 11:36:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:22:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved
    earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.
    No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.
    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.
    So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.
    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.
    Here is TWE being overloaded:
    https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
    Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.

    Yes when it's overrated I doubt flex would be any different.
    Shown the importance of having a fuse and maybe a MCB or RCD would trip quicker as the insulation burns through and they conductors short to earth.
    Any fuse or breaker would trip very quickly with an overload that big, way before the wire. You don't need ELCB for that.

    That's not what a ELCB is for. Think our a MCBs localised for each bench.



    What annoys me is unfused wires, take for example the monumentally stupid design of a ring main. So if one side comes undone, everything continues to work, but the fuse is no longer suitable for the single wire left.

    We used to have a brilliant system with the round pin ones, fuse in the box for every outlet.



    No idea why they got rid of the round pins.

    There's info about it it's a history thing just google it.

    Continue watching, or fastforward, to see it catastrophically fail.
    Apologies for the Queen's English.

    ;-)

    The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
    The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.
    It's similar thickness. The copper is what stiffens it. In fact if you strip some of it the insulation is quite flexible, while the copper remains stiff.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jun 25 17:49:30 2022
    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 16:21:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:17:28 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 07:45:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.
    Best to use petrol.

    until it runs out
    47 years left.

    Not long in the real world then prices already rising I doubt it will ever be cheap especially in the UK.

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it
    will never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.
    Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.
    Maybe being smaller kids ahve lower resistance and genallry wetter snd snottier or whatever.

    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.
    Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

    Bad design, to save money.
    No bad design anywhere. Explain.

    Why design something that trip breakers

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.
    They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

    Few of our students are drunk, it's not like the olde days of univs.
    How old are we talking? When me and my sister were at uni everyone got drunk regularly. I'm 46 and she's 41.

    1980s , since the mid 90s we have a lot of Muslim students and few of them drink, it's also more expensive and students have to take out loans. Accommodation is expensive too. Plus there's lots of things they seem to prefer spending money on.

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.
    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of
    tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince
    me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.
    You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

    Well they try to stop it, but when you're boss is the one doing the fiddling.
    Then point it out to someone higher up, or the police.

    The police aren't really interested unless it's really large scale.
    Best to keep quiet about it few are interested it can take years to get anything done, then you find someone leaves
    or gets promoted, or is encourage to take another job.

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .
    I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A
    supply, buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

    I'd rather buy something I know that's going to do what I want.

    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.
    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.


    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.


    Or use Ebay, I can see 40 people selling those from £60 to £100. And more at a higher price.

    we get them for £60 with a free PSU ,card reader USB lead SD card as a kit . we wanted 3 rapid do them for £62 when they are ins stock, the students said they wanted the pi 4 bit when we told the lecturer what the students wanted he said don't bother they can use pi 3s for what they are doing and I have 4 in my office they can
    have. So that's what happened.
    When they come in stock we'll buy a couple until then students have to learn what is available and in stock.


    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.
    Huh?

    Money laundering .
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.

    Just bought 300 MES 10 bulb holder £1.79 each the suppliers on ebay were charging £4-£6.
    We get university discounts from out suppliers works out about 10-20% free P&P and we know they'kk arrive in a couple of days at most.



    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America. >> >> >> >> >
    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.
    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough

    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?
    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.
    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.
    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pWvfDiiE

    my office is at about 1:35

    and with 600 students in the lab how do you tell which handle a particual students used ?
    and the 100s of leads and equipment in the lab, the knobs buttons etc...
    I was thinking more of people going along corridors.

    Yes and cafe's bar, lectures, .

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing .

    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jun 25 18:41:57 2022
    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 19:29:13 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:35:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 19:52:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill. >> >> >> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.
    It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

    I've encountered more than that on driving lessons
    Are you younger than I thought? I thought you were older than me.

    Yep I am older than you.

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn.
    If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.
    They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    doesn't mean it the best way though.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few
    inches at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer
    If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock.
    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say they aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
    I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

    you said you had that situation for 6 months how long does it take to fix a handbrake ?
    It wasn't broken, the footbrake was broken.

    So you used the handbrake lucky had one.

    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.
    Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.
    Gears.

    are for slowing down or speeding up

    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back
    to bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.



    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)
    That sounds fun with all the mud and scantily clad girls.

    I'm not a fan of rain mud etc.. or the toilets or camping.

    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.


    I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.
    I'd prefer to go somewhere more quiet with her. You can't exactly fuck someone in the middle of a nightclub.
    It's happened in one I've gone to called TG, but it's not my sort of thing and the music was a bit repetitive
    and bleepy/techno but the sights and people are interesting.
    Sex in the middle of the nightclub? Cool. What happened? Did anyone stop them?
    No the TG has rooms for that sort of thing.
    Some have used the toilets in the past.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.

    Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
    What weird things to steal!

    I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
    Surely just print one?
    I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
    Most people have a printer.

    I don't , I rarely need one.
    You never need to print a returns label etc?

    No I do it at work.
    I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
    I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.
    Then you waste money.

    I just don't buy a lot of stuff.
    Looking to buy a big lens,
    I used to have a "Bigma". The largest Sigma telephoto - a zoom from 50mm - 500mm. https://live.staticflickr.com/2164/2238883747_a33bc23b33.jpg

    the one I'm thinking of is the 150-600 sigma.

    a normal photo printer and a 3D printer before then end of the summer.
    I thought about a 3D printer, but realised I wouldn't use it that much. Just now and then to make a replacement part for something. If I really need that, people on Ebay will do it for you for a tenner.

    I feel I need a new toy or two , I can use the one at work but they aren't always available for private jobs.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.
    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    That is annoying I take a day off or have it delivered to work.
    Yes but if they don't say what day or time.

    Most do, if they use a good carrier.
    even B&Q tell yuo whether they'll arrive am or PM then phone/txt 30mins before delivery.
    Amazon I track.


    Have you thought about a security box and padlock.
    There is a shed and CCTV. If the idiots won't put it in the shed, I doubt they'd put it in a box.
    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I haven't got a doorbell.
    Chav.

    Why do I need a doorbell I can hear them knock.

    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours. >> >
    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.
    I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.

    That's bad I've not had any problems with amazon but then again don;t have much delivered to home unless it's a large thing.
    I don't think it's any one courier in particular, it just depends on the driver.

    Hermes are pretty bad from what I've heard.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and women used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell
    the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.
    So not needed nowadays.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.
    Intelligence does not change someone's looks. Anyway she has a fucking good voice.

    I'm not saying I'd kick her out of my kitchen ;-)
    How about the bedroom?

    first things first ;-)

    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.

    I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
    I don't like her nose.
    Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

    I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
    Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

    We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
    This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

    Yes. I have a lunch break just like I have a break to have a shit. >> >>
    Why? Just have a break whenever it's quiet.
    Because sometimes it;s not quiet from 9am to 6pm.
    Some of our classes are of 600 , we have to split them up throught the day.

    There are two other technicians in the labs, and usually the lecturer and one or two demostrators sometimes more.

    Do you let students ask for help while you take a dump.
    That is not as interruptible as eating.

    They can learn to wait it''s part of their training for the real world. >> > Eevn if they only end up in a burger bar they might be open from 6am to midnight but staff are still allowed breaks
    A lot of jobs don't give you breaks.

    Most do, unless you have to take a job that doesn't or zero hour contracts.
    They tend to get abused. I know the woman who works as a secretary at the local police station. 12 hours, no break. If she made a complaint they'd probably arrest her.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Jun 26 17:52:56 2022
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 01:49:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 16:21:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:17:28 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 07:45:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
    The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

    Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.
    Best to use petrol.

    until it runs out
    47 years left.

    Not long in the real world then prices already rising I doubt it will ever be cheap especially in the UK.

    Only rising because of a fake war with Russia.

    EDF seems to think they will rise a lot more. My electricity was 16p a unit, now 28p, and was offered a fixed price for 2 years of 47p!

    You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it
    will never trip.

    That's why we have earth leakage ones.
    Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

    we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.
    Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.
    Maybe being smaller kids ahve lower resistance and genallry wetter snd snottier or whatever.

    We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.
    Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

    Bad design, to save money.
    No bad design anywhere. Explain.

    Why design something that trip breakers

    It needs to be there to filter interference. The breakers are too sensitive. Microwave ovens also leak a lot to earth. I de-earthed mine in case a parrot sat on it and chewed the flex. Now when it's running I can feel electricity if I touch the case.

    This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
    potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.

    They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
    or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
    start off with !

    yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
    doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
    cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
    I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....

    Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
    that I heard use aluminium.
    Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.

    and shit for charging too.
    I don't charge things off my phoneline.

    Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
    I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.

    I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.
    They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

    Few of our students are drunk, it's not like the olde days of univs.
    How old are we talking? When me and my sister were at uni everyone got drunk regularly. I'm 46 and she's 41.

    1980s , since the mid 90s we have a lot of Muslim students and few of them drink,

    They don't have those sort up here.

    it's also more expensive and students have to take out loans.

    Doesn't stop them finding money for drink form somewhere.

    Accommodation is expensive too.

    They're free to live at home and sponge off their parents.

    Plus there's lots of things they seem to prefer spending money on.

    WTF?

    even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
    Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
    Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
    Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
    I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.

    Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

    Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.
    If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of
    tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.

    Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
    If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
    It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to
    convince me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

    I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
    unless 'we' take responsibility.
    I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.

    They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.
    You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

    Well they try to stop it, but when you're boss is the one doing the fiddling.
    Then point it out to someone higher up, or the police.

    The police aren't really interested unless it's really large scale.
    Best to keep quiet about it few are interested it can take years to get anything done, then you find someone leaves
    or gets promoted, or is encourage to take another job.

    I just made rude and threatening suggestions and was allowed to ignore their rules.

    Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.

    Some people don't or it takes too long .
    I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A
    supply, buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

    I'd rather buy something I know that's going to do what I want.

    I do know. 2 Chinese amps = 1 British amp. It's a well known formula.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 26 17:52:49 2022
    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.

    So did I, until I kicked up a fuss and quoted several instances where I could save up to two thirds on the price.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.

    These? Did you drop a link?

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.

    If it's the only way to get them....

    Or use Ebay, I can see 40 people selling those from £60 to £100. And more at a higher price.

    we get them for £60 with a free PSU ,card reader USB lead SD card as a kit . we wanted 3 rapid do them for £62 when they are ins stock, the students said they wanted the pi 4 bit when we told the lecturer what the students wanted he said don't bother they can use pi 3s for what they are doing and I have 4 in my office they can
    have. So that's what happened.
    When they come in stock we'll buy a couple until then students have to learn what is available and in stock.

    The students should be learning to shop around.

    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.
    Huh?

    Money laundering .

    I don't know how that works.

    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.

    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    Just bought 300 MES 10 bulb holder £1.79 each the suppliers on ebay were charging £4-£6.
    We get university discounts from out suppliers works out about 10-20% free P&P and we know they'kk arrive in a couple of days at most.

    I used to get projector bulbs for less than what another supplier claimed was the manufacturer's price. I guess the company we used was getting a subsidy.

    It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
    If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
    This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America. >> >> >> >> >> >
    AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
    All Americans have the mental age of kids.

    well most do, not quite all,
    There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

    Japan = IQ 106
    China = IQ 105
    UK = IQ 99
    America = IQ 97
    Gorilla = IQ 80
    Nigerian = IQ 65

    Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

    then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
    against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
    Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

    Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
    they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
    That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
    Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.

    Trump survived covid.
    He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.
    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.

    He's far right, which I like.

    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.

    Americans always try to get their politicians in prison. They vote someone in then get upset about it, it's pathetic.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough

    Those people need to be removed from the gene pool.

    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.

    He didn't live as good a life as you think. His relatives didn't take care of him.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?
    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.
    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.
    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pWvfDiiE

    my office is at about 1:35

    and with 600 students in the lab how do you tell which handle a particual students used ?
    and the 100s of leads and equipment in the lab, the knobs buttons etc... >> I was thinking more of people going along corridors.

    Yes and cafe's bar, lectures, .

    I was thinking of the corridors. In busy areas you're fucked.

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing .

    They closed stuff because they're stupid.

    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.

    What was your objection?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jun 27 17:47:43 2022
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 01:57:38 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 19:09:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 11:36:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:22:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
    using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
    She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
    All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved
    earth.

    Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
    I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

    Different regulations for Different uses.
    No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.
    TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
    Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

    Yep that's the idea.
    So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.
    and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
    I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

    and what would happen then ?
    And over how many years.
    Here is TWE being overloaded:
    https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
    Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.

    Yes when it's overrated I doubt flex would be any different.
    Shown the importance of having a fuse and maybe a MCB or RCD would trip quicker as the insulation burns through and they conductors short to earth.
    Any fuse or breaker would trip very quickly with an overload that big, way before the wire. You don't need ELCB for that.

    That's not what a ELCB is for. Think our a MCBs localised for each bench.

    It's another word for the same thing. Earth Leakage or Residual Current.

    What annoys me is unfused wires, take for example the monumentally stupid design of a ring main. So if one side comes undone, everything continues to work, but the fuse is no longer suitable for the single wire left.

    We used to have a brilliant system with the round pin ones, fuse in the box for every outlet.

    No idea why they got rid of the round pins.

    There's info about it it's a history thing just google it.

    I got one guy giving an sensible answer - India still use the round ones. Round pins don't have so much contact area with the socket and can overheat.

    But it's daft we changed form 15A to 13A. A backwards step.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jun 27 17:58:35 2022
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 19:29:13 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:35:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 19:52:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    You really are nuts!
    What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

    I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,

    we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
    Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

    Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
    in a particular directionof choice.
    It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
    I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
    If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

    Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
    They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

    I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
    Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
    I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.
    It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

    I've encountered more than that on driving lessons
    Are you younger than I thought? I thought you were older than me.

    Yep I am older than you.

    When you spoke of driving lessons I thought you'd just had some.

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn.
    If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.
    They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    doesn't mean it the best way though.

    Of course it is, the footbrake is more powerful and more accurate. And it leaves your hands free for indicating, steering, etc.

    I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few
    inches at a time in gear.

    I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
    Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

    why would an electric car have a gear box ?
    It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

    That's not what they are for.
    Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

    Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
    WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

    Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer
    If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock.
    Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
    You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

    Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say they aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
    I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

    you said you had that situation for 6 months how long does it take to fix a handbrake ?
    It wasn't broken, the footbrake was broken.

    So you used the handbrake lucky had one.

    It's unusual for one to work. Most cars when I take them for an MOT they don't work at all, even though I never operate them. Had the same thing with a foglight bulb.

    Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.
    Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.
    Gears.

    are for slowing down or speeding up

    It's enough to slow down, gravity will do the stopping part if going uphill.

    I once tried selecting 1st gear in my Golf auto at 70mph. It's surprising how quickly it slows down. It sensibly changed down as soon as possible. I watched it hitting the red line precisely with each gear.

    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back
    to bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.

    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.

    Go round them.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)
    That sounds fun with all the mud and scantily clad girls.

    I'm not a fan of rain mud etc.. or the toilets or camping.

    A sissy then.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to then they on Mon Jun 27 17:58:42 2022
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.

    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.

    I went to a race where they had drinks and didn't allow your own. We rolled loads of bottles under the edge of the tent earlier on.

    a normal photo printer and a 3D printer before then end of the summer.
    I thought about a 3D printer, but realised I wouldn't use it that much. Just now and then to make a replacement part for something. If I really need that, people on Ebay will do it for you for a tenner.

    I feel I need a new toy or two , I can use the one at work but they aren't always available for private jobs.

    FFS you work there you should have perks.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.

    No, you leave it somewhere and note that on the order.

    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.
    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    That is annoying I take a day off or have it delivered to work.
    Yes but if they don't say what day or time.

    Most do, if they use a good carrier.
    even B&Q tell yuo whether they'll arrive am or PM then phone/txt 30mins before delivery.
    Amazon I track.

    You can't always tell what courier will be used. I bought something from Dabs Direct 20 years ago and they used the now bankrupt Amtrak. They left a card at my house while I was at work, and the number to phone was busy every time I tried. Then I got
    another card, and another, then they said I had to go to the depot, 30 miles away. I did and couldn't find it. So I told Dabs to use a better courier or I'd change supplier.

    Have you thought about a security box and padlock.
    There is a shed and CCTV. If the idiots won't put it in the shed, I doubt they'd put it in a box.
    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I haven't got a doorbell.
    Chav.

    Why do I need a doorbell I can hear them knock.

    A knocking noise can be anything. Also consider a postman knocking on 500 doors a day and the state of his knuckles.

    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.

    You don't know the freedom you're missing.

    I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours. >> >> >
    why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
    Seems a simple solution to me.
    I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.

    That's bad I've not had any problems with amazon but then again don;t have much delivered to home unless it's a large thing.
    I don't think it's any one courier in particular, it just depends on the driver.

    Hermes are pretty bad from what I've heard.

    They've got better here since they got new staff. They are the cheapest so they will cut corners.

    Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
    Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
    over
    16mph on his bicycle!

    Haha! :-D

    I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
    gravity.

    OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!

    Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D

    I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.

    You are nearly as bright as me!
    [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

    and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
    Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.

    Not all, some dye
    Never seen that.

    some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
    Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

    Note when it;s done with style.
    No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

    They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
    Religious claptrap.

    what has religion got to do with it ?
    That's why they did it in Egypt.

    So, it;s not done today for that reason.
    People men and women used to wear makeup and perfumes so they couldn't smell
    the stench of the cities or see the sores on their person.
    So not needed nowadays.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.

    I hate no tan - looks sickly and ill.

    I've know some to wear coloured cotact
    lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
    Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
    They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.

    depends on the effect you want I guess.
    Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

    Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
    I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

    Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

    She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
    She'd look amazing without any of that.

    So why does she do it.
    Because she's an idiot.

    So you find iodiots attractive.
    Intelligence does not change someone's looks. Anyway she has a fucking good voice.

    I'm not saying I'd kick her out of my kitchen ;-)
    How about the bedroom?

    first things first ;-)

    Indeed, can't do that on an empty stomach.

    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.

    You must have some kind of preference.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jun 29 18:02:19 2022
    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:



    Yep I am older than you.
    When you spoke of driving lessons I thought you'd just had some.
    No that was mid 1980s.

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn.
    If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.
    They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    doesn't mean it the best way though.
    Of course it is, the footbrake is more powerful and more accurate. And it leaves your hands free for indicating, steering, etc.

    Didn't think you needed to do any of those things when parked or having stopped.




    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.
    Gears.

    are for slowing down or speeding up
    It's enough to slow down, gravity will do the stopping part if going uphill.

    and downhill ?


    I once tried selecting 1st gear in my Golf auto at 70mph. It's surprising how quickly it slows down. It sensibly changed down as soon as possible. I watched it hitting the red line precisely with each gear.
    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the
    back to bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.



    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.

    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.



    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.


    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)
    That sounds fun with all the mud and scantily clad girls.

    I'm not a fan of rain mud etc.. or the toilets or camping.
    A sissy then.

    I prefer my whisky neat no rainwater, mud or any other fluid
    I only use coke as a mixer if drinking JD.


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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jun 29 17:44:41 2022
    On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 17:52:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.
    So did I, until I kicked up a fuss and quoted several instances where I could save up to two thirds on the price.

    We've rarely found that when searching for the cheapest price.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.
    If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.


    Or use Ebay, I can see 40 people selling those from £60 to £100. And more at a higher price.

    we get them for £60 with a free PSU ,card reader USB lead SD card as a kit .
    we wanted 3 rapid do them for £62 when they are ins stock, the students said they wanted the pi 4 bit when we told the lecturer what the students wanted he said don't bother they can use pi 3s for what they are doing and I have 4 in my office they
    can have. So that's what happened.

    We got 1 the other 2 students are using Pi3s . It's supposed to be a group project anyway so why they need 3 sets
    we don't know. They probably all want to work from home.

    When they come in stock we'll buy a couple until then students have to learn what is available and in stock.
    The students should be learning to shop around.

    Yep, if they tell us where to get them and they are a UK supplier we get them. They wanted them from RS who didn't have any and the due date was mid 2023 .

    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.
    Huh?

    Money laundering .
    I don't know how that works.

    Me neither. But I think when you send them the money they then order from a supplier in their currency
    so they get £ and spend rupees or yen or whatever.


    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.


    Just bought 300 MES 10 bulb holder £1.79 each the suppliers on ebay were charging £4-£6.
    We get university discounts from out suppliers works out about 10-20% free P&P and we know they'kk arrive in a couple of days at most.
    I used to get projector bulbs for less than what another supplier claimed was the manufacturer's price. I guess the company we used was getting a subsidy.


    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.

    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.
    Americans always try to get their politicians in prison. They vote someone in then get upset about it, it's pathetic.

    Then they vote them out .

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough
    Those people need to be removed from the gene pool.
    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.
    He didn't live as good a life as you think. His relatives didn't take care of him.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17149942/anti-vax-kickboxing-champ-frederic-sinistra-dead-covid/

    Steroids perhaps?
    But it's not just the deaths it's the overall effect.
    The overall effect is stupid governments imposing lockdowns and fucking everything up.

    I've notice that I haven't even had a cold of any sort since wearing a mask and hand sanatising.
    I usually get at least 3 a year and one thatv I need to take time off from work.
    I avoided colds very easily. See when you go through a double door? Always use the one the person in front didn't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_pWvfDiiE

    my office is at about 1:35

    and with 600 students in the lab how do you tell which handle a particual students used ?
    and the 100s of leads and equipment in the lab, the knobs buttons etc...
    I was thinking more of people going along corridors.

    Yes and cafe's bar, lectures, .
    I was thinking of the corridors. In busy areas you're fucked.

    Yeah to many students , but loks good for admin getting £9k from £600 students.

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing .
    They closed stuff because they're stupid.

    gyms are crowded places .

    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.
    What was your objection?

    Spearding infection one came in coughing and splutters didn't even have a mask on, the next day he asked for his stuff in the project cupboard to be posted to him as he'd tested positive. He lives opposite the college in the student accommodation.
    Apparent;y the place was riddled with positive cases.



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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jun 29 19:19:46 2022
    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.
    I went to a race where they had drinks and didn't allow your own. We rolled loads of bottles under the edge of the tent earlier on.

    They frisk you now at the club check bags, I used to go in with 1/2 bottle of whisky and a bottle of cocktail I mixed.
    Some went in with carrier bags of 8 or more cans. I can;t drink a lot of liquid tend to feel sick to quick.
    I've learnt to pass myself with whisky .

    a normal photo printer and a 3D printer before then end of the summer. >> I thought about a 3D printer, but realised I wouldn't use it that much. Just now and then to make a replacement part for something. If I really need that, people on Ebay will do it for you for a tenner.

    I feel I need a new toy or two , I can use the one at work but they aren't always available for private jobs.
    FFS you work there you should have perks.

    I can use it but with perhaps 100 students wanting to use the 2 we have (ultimaker 2+) they are in use most of the day
    most prints take at least 4 hours. So during term time it;'s in almost constant use.

    I intend to use the 3D scanner we bought the cheaper one for the lab £2k , the downstairs workshop is buying one for ~£55k
    We're buying a laser cutter LPTK PCB rig for the antenna lab that's close to £250K, mostly for research jobs.


    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.
    No, you leave it somewhere and note that on the order.

    I haven;t anything that's worth the effort to sell.
    I have a Mac G4 tower I bought in ~1999, they are going on ebay for £30-50 not worth the effort.
    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...


    Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
    Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

    Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.
    One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

    That is annoying I take a day off or have it delivered to work.
    Yes but if they don't say what day or time.

    Most do, if they use a good carrier.
    even B&Q tell yuo whether they'll arrive am or PM then phone/txt 30mins before delivery.
    Amazon I track.
    You can't always tell what courier will be used.

    The places I use do.
    B&Q lorry, argos lorry,

    I bought something from Dabs Direct 20 years ago and they used the now bankrupt Amtrak. They left a card at my house while I was at work, and the number to phone was busy every time I tried. Then I got another card, and another, then they said I had to
    go to the depot, 30 miles away. I did and couldn't find it. So I told Dabs to use a better courier or I'd change supplier.

    Haven't used dabs in ages (this millennium) I used to buy Apple stuff from them and most computing stuff.

    Have you thought about a security box and padlock.
    There is a shed and CCTV. If the idiots won't put it in the shed, I doubt they'd put it in a box.
    And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

    I haven't got a doorbell.
    Chav.

    Why do I need a doorbell I can hear them knock.
    A knocking noise can be anything. Also consider a postman knocking on 500 doors a day and the state of his knuckles.

    Not my problem the two rolls of copper tape went through the letter box.And anything that won;t I get sent to work
    if it;s practical carrying it home.

    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.
    You don't know the freedom you're missing.
    I'm free of worry of insurance, taxes and everything else that comes with a car.
    When I go to a club as long as I can walk I can hail a cab or book one.
    The night bus is every 15mins too.

    I tried driving hated it well in london anyway.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.
    I hate no tan - looks sickly and ill.

    I quite like that look.


    I'm not saying I'd kick her out of my kitchen ;-)
    How about the bedroom?

    first things first ;-)
    Indeed, can't do that on an empty stomach.

    Yep,

    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.
    You must have some kind of preference.

    well yes but not sure how to describe it.
    Alternative, Goth, cyber, punk,
    I have a few pictures of ex girl friends but only one that is online as she asked me to take photos of her band
    as she played bass.
    Another well her sister is shown in a video they looked similar but the one I was with had red hair and the one in the yuotube video is a blonde both Glaswegian anyone from outside of london is foreign to me ;-)
    I seem to attract foreign girls , even went to Sweden once to visit one.

    One in particular , I was outside a pub as it was crowded and hot in there a girl came up to me and stated chatting to me
    said she was half German, half African but came from outer space.
    she asked me what I was drinking I said snakebite and black, she asked me if I wanted go to a recording studio with her.
    I asked will there be any drink there, she said yes of course, I said I should be meeting my girl friend at midnight
    at a club, she said she's going there too and she'd pay for the cab there and back . So I agreed, when we got there
    the roundhouse chalk farm, she introduced me to the staff as her german cousin as they didn't like strangers visiting.
    She disappeared for about 10mins and came back and handed me a carton of F*&^%$ orange juice, I was well gutted.
    Spent about 30mins in the studio leaving me with the orange juice !
    Then she phoned her ~3 year old (I think) daughter in germany then we left for the club about 12:15 after she kept the black cab waiting for 20mins then insisted he played a couple of her tracks she has with her.
    She asked me which version I preferred of the lords prayer, the german or english version I said the german as I didn;t know what the words were. Never went out with her as such she seemed to love herself more than anyone else could and that puts me off
    anyone.
    But she seemed a fun person to be around quite nice in an extrovert way. I don't think she fancied me but she did say I had beautiful eyes, maybe she likes the bloodshot look who knows.
    Never saw her after we went our separate ways in the club, well not until 4 years later when my friends band were supporting her I think at the rainbow in camden .
    Apart from the orange juice I quite enjoyed the experience.




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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 2 17:42:21 2022
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn.
    If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them.
    They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    doesn't mean it the best way though.
    Of course it is, the footbrake is more powerful and more accurate. And it leaves your hands free for indicating, steering, etc.

    Didn't think you needed to do any of those things when parked or having stopped.

    If you're stopped waiting at a junction, you should indicate.

    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.
    Gears.

    are for slowing down or speeding up
    It's enough to slow down, gravity will do the stopping part if going uphill.

    and downhill ?

    Gears are often used to limit speed on steep downhills.

    I once tried selecting 1st gear in my Golf auto at 70mph. It's surprising how quickly it slows down. It sensibly changed down as soon as possible. I watched it hitting the red line precisely with each gear.
    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the
    back to bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.

    Probably a pre-arranged agreement.

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.

    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.

    They all say taxi on them though.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.

    Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.

    Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.

    Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
    without the drivers or owners permission.
    Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.

    Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
    You live in a city? Why?

    Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
    Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

    You mean for those that are to old to live.
    Are you a teenager?

    No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
    Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

    Both depending how I feel.
    I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.
    I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

    I prefer them to pubs, but never been tempted by festivals like Glastonbury (outdoor that is)
    That sounds fun with all the mud and scantily clad girls.

    I'm not a fan of rain mud etc.. or the toilets or camping.
    A sissy then.

    I prefer my whisky neat no rainwater, mud or any other fluid
    I only use coke as a mixer if drinking JD.

    You're not supposed to sip the whisky off the ground.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 2 17:30:06 2022
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 01:44:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 17:52:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.
    So did I, until I kicked up a fuss and quoted several instances where I could save up to two thirds on the price.

    We've rarely found that when searching for the cheapest price.

    The "deals" with suppliers we had were ridiculous.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .

    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.
    If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.

    That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?

    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.
    Huh?

    Money laundering .
    I don't know how that works.

    Me neither. But I think when you send them the money they then order from a supplier in their currency
    so they get £ and spend rupees or yen or whatever.

    Which must mean the conversion rate available in banks is wrong.

    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.

    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.

    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.

    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.
    Americans always try to get their politicians in prison. They vote someone in then get upset about it, it's pathetic.

    Then they vote them out .

    That doesn't seem enough for the childish suing culture.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough
    Those people need to be removed from the gene pool.
    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.
    He didn't live as good a life as you think. His relatives didn't take care of him.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .

    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing .
    They closed stuff because they're stupid.

    gyms are crowded places .

    And nobody was forcing anyone to go.

    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.
    What was your objection?

    Spearding infection one came in coughing and splutters didn't even have a mask on, the next day he asked for his stuff in the project cupboard to be posted to him as he'd tested positive. He lives opposite the college in the student accommodation.
    Apparent;y the place was riddled with positive cases.

    So what? It's just a bad cold.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 2 23:05:52 2022
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.

    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.
    I went to a race where they had drinks and didn't allow your own. We rolled loads of bottles under the edge of the tent earlier on.

    They frisk you now at the club check bags, I used to go in with 1/2 bottle of whisky and a bottle of cocktail I mixed.
    Some went in with carrier bags of 8 or more cans. I can;t drink a lot of liquid tend to feel sick to quick.
    I've learnt to pass myself with whisky .

    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.
    No, you leave it somewhere and note that on the order.

    I haven;t anything that's worth the effort to sell.
    I have a Mac G4 tower I bought in ~1999, they are going on ebay for £30-50 not worth the effort.
    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...

    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    I bought something from Dabs Direct 20 years ago and they used the now bankrupt Amtrak. They left a card at my house while I was at work, and the number to phone was busy every time I tried. Then I got another card, and another, then they said I had
    to go to the depot, 30 miles away. I did and couldn't find it. So I told Dabs to use a better courier or I'd change supplier.

    Haven't used dabs in ages (this millennium) I used to buy Apple stuff from them and most computing stuff.

    It was my only source of computing stuff 20 years ago.

    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.
    You don't know the freedom you're missing.
    I'm free of worry of insurance, taxes and everything else that comes with a car.

    Those are costs, the worry is managing to find public transport.

    When I go to a club as long as I can walk I can hail a cab or book one.
    The night bus is every 15mins too.

    I tried driving hated it well in london anyway.

    I find it fun.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.
    I hate no tan - looks sickly and ill.

    I quite like that look.

    Do you also like vampires?

    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.
    You must have some kind of preference.

    well yes but not sure how to describe it.
    Alternative, Goth, cyber, punk,
    I have a few pictures of ex girl friends but only one that is online as she asked me to take photos of her band
    as she played bass.
    Another well her sister is shown in a video they looked similar but the one I was with had red hair and the one in the yuotube video is a blonde both Glaswegian anyone from outside of london is foreign to me ;-)
    I seem to attract foreign girls , even went to Sweden once to visit one.

    One in particular , I was outside a pub as it was crowded and hot in there a girl came up to me and stated chatting to me
    said she was half German, half African but came from outer space.
    she asked me what I was drinking I said snakebite and black, she asked me if I wanted go to a recording studio with her.
    I asked will there be any drink there, she said yes of course, I said I should be meeting my girl friend at midnight
    at a club, she said she's going there too and she'd pay for the cab there and back . So I agreed, when we got there
    the roundhouse chalk farm, she introduced me to the staff as her german cousin as they didn't like strangers visiting.
    She disappeared for about 10mins and came back and handed me a carton of F*&^%$ orange juice, I was well gutted.
    Spent about 30mins in the studio leaving me with the orange juice !
    Then she phoned her ~3 year old (I think) daughter in germany then we left for the club about 12:15 after she kept the black cab waiting for 20mins then insisted he played a couple of her tracks she has with her.
    She asked me which version I preferred of the lords prayer, the german or english version I said the german as I didn;t know what the words were. Never went out with her as such she seemed to love herself more than anyone else could and that puts me
    off anyone.
    But she seemed a fun person to be around quite nice in an extrovert way. I don't think she fancied me but she did say I had beautiful eyes, maybe she likes the bloodshot look who knows.
    Never saw her after we went our separate ways in the club, well not until 4 years later when my friends band were supporting her I think at the rainbow in camden .
    Apart from the orange juice I quite enjoyed the experience.

    You seem to have some odd adventures.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 5 17:52:35 2022
    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:42:29 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    in chingford mount with a bus lane on the left
    there was no kerb, waiting for the lights and the large lorry trying to turn.
    If handbrakes weren't useful they wouldn;t waste money having them. >> >> They're for learner drivers. I hill start with the footbrake.

    doesn't mean it the best way though.
    Of course it is, the footbrake is more powerful and more accurate. And it leaves your hands free for indicating, steering, etc.

    Didn't think you needed to do any of those things when parked or having stopped.
    If you're stopped waiting at a junction, you should indicate.
    when approaching lights, changing to red when the bus stops.
    Gears.

    are for slowing down or speeding up
    It's enough to slow down, gravity will do the stopping part if going uphill.

    and downhill ?
    Gears are often used to limit speed on steep downhills.
    I once tried selecting 1st gear in my Golf auto at 70mph. It's surprising how quickly it slows down. It sensibly changed down as soon as possible. I watched it hitting the red line precisely with each gear.
    You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.
    I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the
    back to bash their heads off the roof.

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.
    Probably a pre-arranged agreement.

    Doubt that we got the cab from angel islinton to walthamstow .

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.

    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.
    They all say taxi on them though.

    No that don't not the ones yuo book from cab offices.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.
    Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.

    There's this thing called rush hour that states about 7am ends about 10am starts again about 4pm and ends about 7pm.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.
    Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.

    Hardly anywhere to park in Mile end most places are about £10 a day to park. The college car park is mostly filled with contractors doing building work.
    You have to get there before 6am to get a parking spot.


    A sissy then.

    I prefer my whisky neat no rainwater, mud or any other fluid
    I only use coke as a mixer if drinking JD.
    You're not supposed to sip the whisky off the ground.

    don't like those plastic glasses either.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 5 17:36:52 2022
    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:30:14 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 01:44:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 17:52:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.
    So did I, until I kicked up a fuss and quoted several instances where I could save up to two thirds on the price.

    We've rarely found that when searching for the cheapest price.
    The "deals" with suppliers we had were ridiculous.

    Ours seem fine for most things.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.
    If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.
    That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?

    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
    I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.



    Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
    Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

    could be for currency.
    Huh?

    Money laundering .
    I don't know how that works.

    Me neither. But I think when you send them the money they then order from a supplier in their currency
    so they get £ and spend rupees or yen or whatever.
    Which must mean the conversion rate available in banks is wrong.


    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.

    They have all the account codes for budgets for each area and grants.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.

    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.
    Americans always try to get their politicians in prison. They vote someone in then get upset about it, it's pathetic.

    Then they vote them out .
    That doesn't seem enough for the childish suing culture.

    Yeah America is a pretty backwards country in a lot of ways.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough
    Those people need to be removed from the gene pool.
    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.
    He didn't live as good a life as you think. His relatives didn't take care of him.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.


    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing . >> They closed stuff because they're stupid.

    gyms are crowded places .
    And nobody was forcing anyone to go.
    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.
    What was your objection?

    Spearding infection one came in coughing and splutters didn't even have a mask on, the next day he asked for his stuff in the project cupboard to be posted to him as he'd tested positive. He lives opposite the college in the student accommodation.
    Apparent;y the place was riddled with positive cases.
    So what? It's just a bad cold.

    It's a bit more serious than that.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 5 18:39:27 2022
    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune. >> >
    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.
    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.
    I went to a race where they had drinks and didn't allow your own. We rolled loads of bottles under the edge of the tent earlier on.

    They frisk you now at the club check bags, I used to go in with 1/2 bottle of whisky and a bottle of cocktail I mixed.
    Some went in with carrier bags of 8 or more cans. I can;t drink a lot of liquid tend to feel sick to quick.
    I've learnt to pass myself with whisky .
    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.
    No, you leave it somewhere and note that on the order.

    I haven;t anything that's worth the effort to sell.
    I have a Mac G4 tower I bought in ~1999, they are going on ebay for £30-50 not worth the effort.
    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.


    I bought something from Dabs Direct 20 years ago and they used the now bankrupt Amtrak. They left a card at my house while I was at work, and the number to phone was busy every time I tried. Then I got another card, and another, then they said I had
    to go to the depot, 30 miles away. I did and couldn't find it. So I told Dabs to use a better courier or I'd change supplier.

    Haven't used dabs in ages (this millennium) I used to buy Apple stuff from them and most computing stuff.
    It was my only source of computing stuff 20 years ago.
    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.
    You don't know the freedom you're missing.
    I'm free of worry of insurance, taxes and everything else that comes with a car.
    Those are costs, the worry is managing to find public transport.

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.

    When I go to a club as long as I can walk I can hail a cab or book one. The night bus is every 15mins too.

    I tried driving hated it well in london anyway.
    I find it fun.

    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.
    I hate no tan - looks sickly and ill.

    I quite like that look.
    Do you also like vampires?

    I like the look .

    Here's a pic of my ex Swedish GF taken at Uppsala station. https://www.dropbox.com/s/azqml599zb65bu7/U01.jpg?dl=0

    Oh yeah and that's her pet rat in her pocket called Iggy named after iggy pop.


    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.
    You must have some kind of preference.

    well yes but not sure how to describe it.
    Alternative, Goth, cyber, punk,
    I have a few pictures of ex girl friends but only one that is online as she asked me to take photos of her band

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/whiskydave/51141030371/in/album-72157719046160647/

    I got that picture of her printed on a T-shirt for her birthday, she liked the way she was looking up at herself when wearing it.


    as she played bass.
    Another well her sister is shown in a video they looked similar but the one I was with had red hair and the one in the yuotube video is a blonde both Glaswegian anyone from outside of london is foreign to me ;-)
    I seem to attract foreign girls , even went to Sweden once to visit one.

    One in particular , I was outside a pub as it was crowded and hot in there a girl came up to me and stated chatting to me
    said she was half German, half African but came from outer space.
    she asked me what I was drinking I said snakebite and black, she asked me if I wanted go to a recording studio with her.
    I asked will there be any drink there, she said yes of course, I said I should be meeting my girl friend at midnight
    at a club, she said she's going there too and she'd pay for the cab there and back . So I agreed, when we got there
    the roundhouse chalk farm, she introduced me to the staff as her german cousin as they didn't like strangers visiting.
    She disappeared for about 10mins and came back and handed me a carton of F*&^%$ orange juice, I was well gutted.
    Spent about 30mins in the studio leaving me with the orange juice !
    Then she phoned her ~3 year old (I think) daughter in germany then we left for the club about 12:15 after she kept the black cab waiting for 20mins then insisted he played a couple of her tracks she has with her.
    She asked me which version I preferred of the lords prayer, the german or english version I said the german as I didn;t know what the words were.

    forgot the links (yet again) she;s not very well know in the UK but was in europe .

    I think she has quite a sexy speaking voice, and she was quite flirty when she talks which I like.

    Here's the track and she looked similar to the CD cover when I met her.
    German version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQB8LbFombc

    English version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLD_mqpOlHc


    Never went out with her as such she seemed to love herself more than anyone else could and that puts me off anyone.
    But she seemed a fun person to be around quite nice in an extrovert way. I don't think she fancied me but she did say I had beautiful eyes, maybe she likes the bloodshot look who knows.

    Maybe you'd like her voice more from this clip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTEhz-px1Kw

    Never saw her after we went our separate ways in the club, well not until 4 years later when my friends band were supporting her I think at the rainbow in camden .


    She was interviewed by letterman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEGsTUY8YQo


    Apart from the orange juice I quite enjoyed the experience.
    You seem to have some odd adventures.

    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports , never been to a football match.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 6 14:58:49 2022
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 01:52:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:42:29 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab. >> Probably a pre-arranged agreement.

    Doubt that we got the cab from angel islinton to walthamstow .

    I mean pre-arranged between the cab driver and the police.

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.

    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.
    They all say taxi on them though.

    No that don't not the ones yuo book from cab offices.

    Strange, my neighbour's son is private hire only (to avoid some fees or other to be allowed to use taxi ranks), but he still has a taxi sign on the top.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.
    Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.

    There's this thing called rush hour that states about 7am ends about 10am starts again about 4pm and ends about 7pm.

    Then don't travel then or go elsewhere.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.
    Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.

    Hardly anywhere to park in Mile end most places are about £10 a day to park. The college car park is mostly filled with contractors doing building work. You have to get there before 6am to get a parking spot.

    Move house.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 6 14:20:41 2022
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 01:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:30:14 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 01:44:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 17:52:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50, which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
    China but from a reputable source.
    You buy a couple from 25 different sellers.

    We can;t do that we have to go through a process with finance and get approvals and quotes for some things.
    So did I, until I kicked up a fuss and quoted several instances where I could save up to two thirds on the price.

    We've rarely found that when searching for the cheapest price.
    The "deals" with suppliers we had were ridiculous.

    Ours seem fine for most things.

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    And I considered once selling things on Amazon (when I made custom built gaming PCs), the Amazon fees would have been DOUBLE Ebay. There's no wonder the end product costs more.

    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
    Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.
    If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.
    That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?

    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0

    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.

    LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.

    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
    I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.

    ROFL!

    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.

    They have all the account codes for budgets for each area and grants.

    But they don't have the knowledge of where to get things.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.

    Probably because all governments are criminal.

    I wonder if he'll be able to run for office next year or will he end up on prison.
    How can anyone lose money running a casino .
    An airline that doesn;t fly, and as for trump university.
    Americans always try to get their politicians in prison. They vote someone in then get upset about it, it's pathetic.

    Then they vote them out .
    That doesn't seem enough for the childish suing culture.

    Yeah America is a pretty backwards country in a lot of ways.

    2nd world. Further forwards than Ethiopia, bit not as advanced as us.

    Strange he needed so many doctors and drugs to cure him from a fake disease.
    It doesn't kill fit people.

    It can and has .
    Not often. And you never know when someone has a hidden defect.

    Often enough
    Those people need to be removed from the gene pool.
    How come this guy, who has a heart condition, survived it twice?
    https://www.patreon.com/krzyszp
    It only kills the weak.
    Only the weak minded think that.
    Mind and body are one and the same.

    Like stephen hawking you mean .
    That's hardly the norm.

    He was lucky he was found to be intelligent before he became ill.
    He didn't live as good a life as you think. His relatives didn't take care of him.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.

    Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.

    Also ice baths prevent colds.

    We don't have them in the lab, or on public transport.
    You use one at home or in a gym.

    Why did they close the gyms then oh yeah all that putting and blowing . >> >> They closed stuff because they're stupid.

    gyms are crowded places .
    And nobody was forcing anyone to go.
    I had to stop a couple of students doing a project where they were measuring heart rates and stuff jumping about
    sharing heart rate sensors pulse sensors . If they want to do that go outside not in a lab.
    What was your objection?

    Spearding infection one came in coughing and splutters didn't even have a mask on, the next day he asked for his stuff in the project cupboard to be posted to him as he'd tested positive. He lives opposite the college in the student accommodation.
    Apparent;y the place was riddled with positive cases.
    So what? It's just a bad cold.

    It's a bit more serious than that.

    Amazing how many got over it.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 6 15:15:12 2022
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune. >> >> >
    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.

    Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.

    Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

    Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
    Wow what a life.
    I'm the exact opposite of that.

    Not sure what that means
    The things you listed are the last thing I enjoy doing.

    I can do both but teh clubs are a good place to meet people and catch up with friends.
    I've been going to the gig one since 1988 used to go every saturday until about 2001
    when the council made them have a drink licence before then you could take your own drink in,
    was a cheap night especially as my flatmate worked in the cloakroom so I got free entry most weeks.
    closed at 7:30am sunday morning.
    I went to a race where they had drinks and didn't allow your own. We rolled loads of bottles under the edge of the tent earlier on.

    They frisk you now at the club check bags, I used to go in with 1/2 bottle of whisky and a bottle of cocktail I mixed.
    Some went in with carrier bags of 8 or more cans. I can;t drink a lot of liquid tend to feel sick to quick.
    I've learnt to pass myself with whisky .
    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.

    Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

    And don't you ever sell anything?

    Rarely and if I do it's mostly to friends , never found it worth the effort of making a decent post and taking things to the PO.
    Royal Mail collect for 60p now.

    I still have to be home though.
    No, you leave it somewhere and note that on the order.

    I haven;t anything that's worth the effort to sell.
    I have a Mac G4 tower I bought in ~1999, they are going on ebay for £30-50 not worth the effort.
    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.

    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    I bought something from Dabs Direct 20 years ago and they used the now bankrupt Amtrak. They left a card at my house while I was at work, and the number to phone was busy every time I tried. Then I got another card, and another, then they said I
    had to go to the depot, 30 miles away. I did and couldn't find it. So I told Dabs to use a better courier or I'd change supplier.

    Haven't used dabs in ages (this millennium) I used to buy Apple stuff from them and most computing stuff.
    It was my only source of computing stuff 20 years ago.
    I'm waiting for a B&Q delivery now, some decking boards at home.
    I get that sort of stuff in my car. Came home with several 5 metres joists on the roof once. And another time an entire large flatpacked shed. Probably illegal to do that, it was substantially larger than the car.

    I don't have or need a car.
    You don't know the freedom you're missing.
    I'm free of worry of insurance, taxes and everything else that comes with a car.
    Those are costs, the worry is managing to find public transport.

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.

    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

    When I go to a club as long as I can walk I can hail a cab or book one.
    The night bus is every 15mins too.

    I tried driving hated it well in london anyway.
    I find it fun.

    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.

    I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

    I do prefer certain styles , I guess everyone does.
    I prefer the natural style.

    Very rare most wear makup, I don;t like tans even natural tans, I don't like the orange look either.
    I hate no tan - looks sickly and ill.

    I quite like that look.
    Do you also like vampires?

    I like the look .

    Here's a pic of my ex Swedish GF taken at Uppsala station. https://www.dropbox.com/s/azqml599zb65bu7/U01.jpg?dl=0

    Cute!!! How did you manage to pull someone younger than me?

    Oh yeah and that's her pet rat in her pocket called Iggy named after iggy pop.

    Cool. Especially that it doesn't run off. I was in my pharmacist once and a woman came in with a rat on her shoulder. The pharmacist ran away into the back and the assistant served her. Once she'd left, the manager came out and said to me, "she had a
    rat!!!"

    Just not my preferred type.
    Who is your ideal woman?

    I don;t really have one in particular, that's the thing about clubs.
    You must have some kind of preference.

    well yes but not sure how to describe it.
    Alternative, Goth, cyber, punk,
    I have a few pictures of ex girl friends but only one that is online as she asked me to take photos of her band

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/whiskydave/51141030371/in/album-72157719046160647/

    I got that picture of her printed on a T-shirt for her birthday, she liked the way she was looking up at herself when wearing it.

    I like her too.

    as she played bass.
    Another well her sister is shown in a video they looked similar but the one I was with had red hair and the one in the yuotube video is a blonde both Glaswegian anyone from outside of london is foreign to me ;-)
    I seem to attract foreign girls , even went to Sweden once to visit one. >> >
    One in particular , I was outside a pub as it was crowded and hot in there a girl came up to me and stated chatting to me
    said she was half German, half African but came from outer space.
    she asked me what I was drinking I said snakebite and black, she asked me if I wanted go to a recording studio with her.
    I asked will there be any drink there, she said yes of course, I said I should be meeting my girl friend at midnight
    at a club, she said she's going there too and she'd pay for the cab there and back . So I agreed, when we got there
    the roundhouse chalk farm, she introduced me to the staff as her german cousin as they didn't like strangers visiting.
    She disappeared for about 10mins and came back and handed me a carton of F*&^%$ orange juice, I was well gutted.
    Spent about 30mins in the studio leaving me with the orange juice !
    Then she phoned her ~3 year old (I think) daughter in germany then we left for the club about 12:15 after she kept the black cab waiting for 20mins then insisted he played a couple of her tracks she has with her.
    She asked me which version I preferred of the lords prayer, the german or english version I said the german as I didn;t know what the words were.

    forgot the links (yet again) she;s not very well know in the UK but was in europe .

    I think she has quite a sexy speaking voice, and she was quite flirty when she talks which I like.

    Here's the track and she looked similar to the CD cover when I met her. German version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQB8LbFombc

    Gorgeous.

    English version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLD_mqpOlHc

    Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

    Never went out with her as such she seemed to love herself more than anyone else could and that puts me off anyone.
    But she seemed a fun person to be around quite nice in an extrovert way. I don't think she fancied me but she did say I had beautiful eyes, maybe she likes the bloodshot look who knows.

    Maybe you'd like her voice more from this clip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTEhz-px1Kw

    Don't like that sort of music.

    Never saw her after we went our separate ways in the club, well not until 4 years later when my friends band were supporting her I think at the rainbow in camden .

    She was interviewed by letterman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEGsTUY8YQo

    Well that was a while ago. Letterman looks 20.

    Apart from the orange juice I quite enjoyed the experience.
    You seem to have some odd adventures.

    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.

    Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jul 6 17:49:13 2022
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:58:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 01:52:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:42:29 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.
    Probably a pre-arranged agreement.

    Doubt that we got the cab from angel islinton to walthamstow .
    I mean pre-arranged between the cab driver and the police.

    Then why did they stop him?
    Fare was about £15, what could the police get from that.

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway. >> >
    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.
    They all say taxi on them though.

    No that don't not the ones yuo book from cab offices.
    Strange, my neighbour's son is private hire only (to avoid some fees or other to be allowed to use taxi ranks), but he still has a taxi sign on the top.

    Never seen an uber drive with one, not that I've used them friends have.

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.
    Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.

    There's this thing called rush hour that states about 7am ends about 10am starts again about 4pm and ends about 7pm.
    Then don't travel then or go elsewhere.

    Not very practical.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.
    Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.

    Hardly anywhere to park in Mile end most places are about £10 a day to park.
    The college car park is mostly filled with contractors doing building work.
    You have to get there before 6am to get a parking spot.
    Move house.

    and have to leave even earlier my manager lives out in brentwood he has to leave house at 5am to get in by 6am. It;s normally a 1 1/2 hour drive at 7:30am to get in at 9am.
    I get the bus and tube cost £6.70 a day there and back takes between 35min to an hour most days.


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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jul 6 17:41:25 2022
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department ,
    then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.


    And I considered once selling things on Amazon (when I made custom built gaming PCs), the Amazon fees would have been DOUBLE Ebay. There's no wonder the end product costs more.
    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment. >> >> >> >> Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient. >> >> If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.
    That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?

    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really
    knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.


    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
    LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.

    The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.

    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
    I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
    ROFL!
    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
    Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
    We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC


    They have all the account codes for budgets for each area and grants.
    But they don't have the knowledge of where to get things.

    They don;t need it we tell them where to get the stuff.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
    Probably because all governments are criminal.

    It does seem that way.


    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
    Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.

    Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure



    It's a bit more serious than that.
    Amazing how many got over it.

    Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital
    and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jul 7 07:10:33 2022
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.
    Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

    Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.


    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
    Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

    I can think of better things to do when naked.

    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
    Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

    How , not much room down my trousers for a bottle.
    Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
    They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
    If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.





    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple
    of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.


    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.


    Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

    I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either. Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.



    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
    I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

    I doubt you've driven much in london then.





    Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

    Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
    I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
    https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
    I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.


    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.

    Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

    Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
    And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
    doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Jul 7 06:17:14 2022
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack and add a 4mm stackable plug.
    I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
    but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
    probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)

    See what prices you can get them for ....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 7 15:36:59 2022
    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
    LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.

    The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.

    Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?

    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
    I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
    ROFL!
    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
    Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
    We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC

    In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
    Probably because all governments are criminal.

    It does seem that way.

    Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
    Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.

    Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure

    People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance. Anyway his family were very well off.

    It's a bit more serious than that.
    Amazing how many got over it.

    Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital
    and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.

    Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jul 7 15:36:47 2022
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB
    maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink
    at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The
    staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to
    do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.

    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    And I considered once selling things on Amazon (when I made custom built gaming PCs), the Amazon fees would have been DOUBLE Ebay. There's no wonder the end product costs more.
    we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

    Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

    Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.

    yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient. >> >> >> If it's the only way to get them....

    If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
    One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
    for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again.
    That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?

    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.

    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone
    really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.

    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jul 7 22:19:25 2022
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:49:13 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:58:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 01:52:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:42:29 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it.
    They let him off because it was a BMW?

    That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
    as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
    The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
    Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.

    Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.
    Probably a pre-arranged agreement.

    Doubt that we got the cab from angel islinton to walthamstow .
    I mean pre-arranged between the cab driver and the police.

    Then why did they stop him?
    Fare was about £15, what could the police get from that.

    Because he didn't have a taxi sign and they didn't recognise him.

    Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway. >> >> >
    No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.
    They all say taxi on them though.

    No that don't not the ones yuo book from cab offices.
    Strange, my neighbour's son is private hire only (to avoid some fees or other to be allowed to use taxi ranks), but he still has a taxi sign on the top.

    Never seen an uber drive with one, not that I've used them friends have.

    Neither have I so I wouldn't recognise one if I saw it. No idea how that system works. Is it different to normal cabs?

    That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
    Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
    The police should have had to give you a lift.
    Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
    but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
    But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
    I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.

    Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
    Go round them.

    No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.
    Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.

    There's this thing called rush hour that states about 7am ends about 10am starts again about 4pm and ends about 7pm.
    Then don't travel then or go elsewhere.

    Not very practical.

    Stop living by society's times. Sometimes I get up in the evening and go to bed in the morning.

    I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
    Into London is not exactly London.
    I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.
    Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.

    Hardly anywhere to park in Mile end most places are about £10 a day to park.
    The college car park is mostly filled with contractors doing building work.
    You have to get there before 6am to get a parking spot.
    Move house.

    and have to leave even earlier my manager lives out in brentwood he has to leave house at 5am to get in by 6am. It;s normally a 1 1/2 hour drive at 7:30am to get in at 9am.
    I get the bus and tube cost £6.70 a day there and back takes between 35min to an hour most days.

    Change job.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jul 7 22:29:12 2022
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.

    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack

    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    and add a 4mm stackable plug.
    I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
    but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
    probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)

    See what prices you can get them for ....

    You can get 30 for a tenner here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V Or Ebay is only £7:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 8 00:19:37 2022
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.
    Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

    Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.

    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
    Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

    I can think of better things to do when naked.

    Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.

    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
    Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

    How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.

    Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.

    Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
    They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
    If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.

    Fucking control freaks.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.

    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going
    after 20 years.

    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.

    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.

    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

    I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
    Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.

    You're missing out on the fun of driving.

    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
    I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

    I doubt you've driven much in london then.

    I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.

    Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

    Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
    I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
    https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1

    Ugh, looks like an evil witch. And the song sux.

    I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.

    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.

    Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

    Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.

    Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl? Then I'd watch it.

    And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
    doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle

    Wozniacki's nice. Makes a cute little orgasmic noise when hitting the ball too.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 8 04:08:43 2022
    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser
    PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink
    at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The
    staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to
    do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
    I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.


    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.


    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun , that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.


    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone
    really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 8 05:07:59 2022
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 00:19:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.
    Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

    Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.

    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
    Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

    I can think of better things to do when naked.
    Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.

    Yeah I can't imagine doing that sort of thing in the streets of london.
    But OK in a fetish club(s) I've been to but snow isn't needed
    not sure I'd like to see a partners parents or my parents frolicing around either.


    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones. >> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

    How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.

    Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.

    It' depends on security a friend of mine used to climb over the fences or go under tham at glastobury
    he did that for years during the 90s. Neverv paid to get in.

    Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
    They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
    If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.
    Fucking control freaks.

    Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after
    20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.

    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.

    Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

    I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
    Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.
    You're missing out on the fun of driving.
    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
    I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

    I doubt you've driven much in london then.
    I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.
    Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

    Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
    I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
    https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
    Ugh, looks like an evil witch.

    Well that was the aim these drama students etc..

    And the song sux.
    I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.

    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.

    Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

    Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
    Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?

    I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.
    Then I'd watch it.

    And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
    doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
    Wozniacki's nice.

    I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.

    Makes a cute little orgasmic noise when hitting the ball too.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 8 04:31:37 2022
    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:37:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
    LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.

    The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.
    Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?

    No we don;t have reseach technicains anymore, we used to , research technicains are paid for from the grants the college gets
    if the grant doesn;t cover the costs...
    Two lectures got sacked for that years ago gettingn the public to pay for technicains to work on private reasearch jobs.

    I helped him as much as I could but as he is doing a PhD and already has a degree and is being paid more than me he should at least know the basics.
    Such as what a 1/4w resistors limits are.


    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors. >> > I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
    ROFL!
    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
    Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
    We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC
    In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.

    Yes they do and they try and we win when we tell them that you can only get this specific kit from this supplier.
    Swe had that with our NI elvis kits and with the power gen stuff from Lucus-Nulle, but tehy failed so had to buy from who we told them to.
    came to ~140k euros postage alone cost £5K .
    Maybe you can find it cheaper on ebay .


    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
    Probably because all governments are criminal.

    It does seem that way.
    Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.

    the reason the tories got in under camooron becatse the smaller party lib dims joined with them.

    But then the smaller parties get bigger.
    smaller parties also attract the most cluesless.

    in the early 1900s thre was NO labour party just cons and libs.

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
    Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.

    Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure
    People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance. Anyway his family were very well off.

    Not all get carers, allowance and it;'s very low otherwiose everyone would do it.

    It's a bit more serious than that.
    Amazing how many got over it.

    Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.
    Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.

    Lots of the weak care for others, the strong tend to just look after themseleves.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 8 05:34:39 2022
    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.

    well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
    What do you mean 'about 10 is that 10 or not.

    Didn;t know we already ordered 4 them on 5th and arrived 3pm on 7th.
    yep £21 .
    Accedmics collecting them today from us.
    contacted o'rielly or rielly who ever is that distrbuites and they have quoted ~£18 each if we order 100.


    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.


    and add a 4mm stackable plug.
    I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
    but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
    probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)

    See what prices you can get them for ....
    You can get 30 for a tenner here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
    Or Ebay is only £7:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710

    arrive on thrusday if we order today how comes 2-3 days is a week ?

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black) https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 8 08:58:53 2022
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 13:34:43 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:

    Ordering stuff,

    last few things for today
    somewhere between 1 & 5 depending on stat of credit card
    Antex U8825F0 690D soldering irons

    13 of these although we'll need around 25 by spetember. Again depends on student numbers
    ARDUINO ABX00021 Development Board, Arduino Uno WiFi Rev2,


    No hurry won;t be ordering now until at least Monday :-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 8 19:20:10 2022
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser
    PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake
    ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The
    staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to
    do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.

    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
    I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.

    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.

    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage. I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.

    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.

    At least they can shoot the police.

    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.

    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone
    really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.

    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.

    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 8 21:43:01 2022
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:31:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:37:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
    Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
    Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
    he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
    Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
    LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.

    The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.
    Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?

    No we don;t have reseach technicains anymore, we used to , research technicains are paid for from the grants the college gets
    if the grant doesn;t cover the costs...
    Two lectures got sacked for that years ago gettingn the public to pay for technicains to work on private reasearch jobs.

    I helped him as much as I could but as he is doing a PhD and already has a degree and is being paid more than me he should at least know the basics.
    Such as what a 1/4w resistors limits are.

    Oh come on, no harm in giving him a hand.

    That reminds me, I once walked into the physics tech's room at the school and asked for a 1/8th watt resistor. He asked what value and I said it didn't matter. Guess what I wanted it for.

    He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors. >> >> > I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
    ROFL!
    And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
    If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
    cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
    Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.

    The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
    We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
    on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
    Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
    Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
    We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC
    In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.

    Yes they do and they try and we win when we tell them that you can only get this specific kit from this supplier.
    Swe had that with our NI elvis kits and with the power gen stuff from Lucus-Nulle, but tehy failed so had to buy from who we told them to.
    came to ~140k euros postage alone cost £5K .

    The trouble arises when they think you can use something similar which you know to be inferior. They tried to get me to use Hitachi projectors. I bought Optoma ones against their wishes, slightly cheaper, 2 years more warranty, brighter bulb, higher
    resolution.

    Maybe you can find it cheaper on ebay .

    What exactly am I looking for?

    But he's a fat fuck.

    and that's being polite about him
    His policies are wonderful.

    He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
    He's far right, which I like.

    He's a con artist.
    Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....

    It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
    Probably because all governments are criminal.

    It does seem that way.
    Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.

    the reason the tories got in under camooron becatse the smaller party lib dims joined with them.

    That didn't make sense, Lib Dem is left wing, Tory is right wing.

    But then the smaller parties get bigger.
    smaller parties also attract the most cluesless.

    Incorrect. Labour and Tory are the worst and the biggest.

    in the early 1900s thre was NO labour party just cons and libs.

    Weren't they called whigs back then?

    It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
    So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?

    Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
    Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
    Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.

    Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure
    People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance. Anyway his family were very well off.

    Not all get carers, allowance and it;'s very low otherwiose everyone would do it.

    But that family was rich.

    It's a bit more serious than that.
    Amazing how many got over it.

    Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital >> > and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.
    Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.

    Lots of the weak care for others, the strong tend to just look after themseleves.

    Why would you say a nurse is weak?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 8 22:50:19 2022
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 00:19:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
    they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
    What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.

    I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
    Looked like Karaoke to me.

    Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
    I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.

    Hope it wasn't too cool.
    Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

    Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.

    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?

    And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?

    A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
    hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
    Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

    I can think of better things to do when naked.
    Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.

    Yeah I can't imagine doing that sort of thing in the streets of london.
    But OK in a fetish club(s) I've been to but snow isn't needed
    not sure I'd like to see a partners parents or my parents frolicing around either.

    People are far too prudish, we should be fucking in public.

    You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?

    your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones. >> >> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

    How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.

    Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.

    It' depends on security a friend of mine used to climb over the fences or go under tham at glastobury
    he did that for years during the 90s. Neverv paid to get in.

    Yip, too big a place to completely secure.

    Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
    They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
    If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID. >> Fucking control freaks.

    Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.

    Councils are arseholes.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going
    after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.

    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 8 22:50:25 2022
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.

    At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £50
    an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over? >> >
    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.

    I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it having
    had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

    It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

    Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

    Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

    I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
    Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.
    You're missing out on the fun of driving.
    I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
    I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

    I doubt you've driven much in london then.
    I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.
    Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

    Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
    I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
    https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
    Ugh, looks like an evil witch.

    Well that was the aim these drama students etc..

    I can't stand big noses. I don't think she added that.

    And the song sux.
    I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.

    I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.

    Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

    Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
    Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?

    I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.

    Proper matches?

    Then I'd watch it.

    And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
    doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
    Wozniacki's nice.

    I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.

    No, the Danish one: https://wallpapers0079.blogspot.com/2014/08/caroline-wozniacki-danish-professional.html

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 9 14:52:38 2022
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 16:58:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 13:34:43 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:

    Ordering stuff,

    last few things for today
    somewhere between 1 & 5 depending on stat of credit card
    Antex U8825F0 690D soldering irons

    13 of these although we'll need around 25 by spetember. Again depends on student numbers
    ARDUINO ABX00021 Development Board, Arduino Uno WiFi Rev2,


    No hurry won;t be ordering now until at least Monday :-)

    Credit card?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 11 05:48:29 2022
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser
    PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake
    ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The
    staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to
    do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.


    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
    I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

    Never seems to be a problem whehn we order.

    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.



    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone
    really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.

    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,m I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died
    you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.


    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 11 05:55:50 2022
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:



    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)


    Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?

    yes that's how I know about it as he said he;s seeing a doctor about it, but I;ve no idea if it got sorted lost contact after he moved to canada.


    And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?

    Not much point haven't a larger cock if yuo can;t use it.



    Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.
    Councils are arseholes.

    Yes most seem to be made up of arseholes.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going
    after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 11 06:40:57 2022
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.
    At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £50
    an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

    That's how I got my SE-30 as the SIMM holders went brittle and snapped so you could have any more than 4MB installed.


    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff .
    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.

    I have a ledger book with some things listed
    125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 ! Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !


    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.
    I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it having
    had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

    People do have differnt tolerancies alsot deoends on speed of drinking and whether you've had anything to eat.


    It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

    Yeah or looking in the mirror to do makeup.
    I used to drive better at caremggedon after a few drinks back from the pub ......

    Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

    Would like to be able to myself in such circumstances.

    Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
    Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?

    I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.
    Proper matches?

    Like WWF wrestling you mean ?

    I've no idea.


    Then I'd watch it.

    And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
    doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
    Wozniacki's nice.

    I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.
    No, the Danish one: https://wallpapers0079.blogspot.com/2014/08/caroline-wozniacki-danish-professional.html

    oh right she's OK

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 11 14:42:27 2022
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the
    laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake
    ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The
    staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to
    do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.

    Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
    I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.

    I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

    Never seems to be a problem when we order.

    Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.

    Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.

    I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before
    anyone really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.

    Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,

    Yes of course.

    I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.

    Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .

    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

    "even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

    So what was this about? I don't watch the news.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 11 07:10:07 2022
    On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 14:52:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
    well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
    What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

    When you click on the number yuo can scroll down to enter the number yuo want to order it went to 30 and stopped.

    What do you mean 'about 10 is that 10 or not.
    It means I didn't take the effort to count exactly.

    well most places give you the number in stock and most of our suppliers tell you what's in stock and when more stock will arrive.
    I'm ordering caps and resistors and stuff .
    such as 2N3904 I'm ordering 300 to start with
    Order in multiples of 10
    10,740 in Stock, despatched same day
    Additional quantity lead time 5 months

    Didn;t know we already ordered 4 them on 5th and arrived 3pm on 7th.
    yep £21 .
    Accedmics collecting them today from us.
    contacted o'rielly or rielly who ever is that distrbuites and they have quoted ~£18 each if we order 100.
    I think they're a publisher? Yes they should do bulk discounts.

    Yes and that gets sent to finance to pay for.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.
    I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

    Yes that's the disadvantage of measuring amps.
    Most things run on volts , which is why I hope they'll tech students about current limits on our PSU.
    Most things they do run on less that 1amp.


    and add a 4mm stackable plug.
    I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
    but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
    probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)

    See what prices you can get them for ....
    You can get 30 for a tenner here:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
    Or Ebay is only £7:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710

    arrive on thrusday if we order today how comes 2-3 days is a week ?
    Some sellers are quicker at posting than others, and Royal Mail are in severe difficulty at the moment with strikes. Ebay gives you an average, I almost always get it a couple of days before then.

    Yes my leads were odered after 6pm on friday.
    Today got an email saying they have been despatched , which usually means they'll arrive before 3pm tomorrow.



    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black) https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 11 07:52:32 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 14:42:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >
    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the
    laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with
    fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay.
    The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at
    once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.
    Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

    No why would we. Only research, if they need a specific printer for a specific reason, such as one inkjet that was specailly desgined for using with conductive ink.
    and the few poster printers we have. They just replace the printers after 2-3 years
    Presently a Pagewide Managed color MFP E77660 and a Pagewide Managed color MFP E58650.
    All controlled by college IT services , they keep counts of how many prints the students do , students can use a card to pay for credits to print more.
    But they don;t print much, course work is mainly emailed in as PDF instructions and labsheets sent to them as PDFs.
    We sometimes print out help sheets and some basic labs sheets.
    Why would we need our own printers ?



    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one. >> > I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.
    I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

    No it;s the paper too how much ink it soaks up, glossy matt, pearl stipple depending on effect.
    differnt papper abosrb diffenert amounts of ink and sometimes the cheap inks aren;t colourfast.
    If you want the best you don't use standard ink anyway you use dye sublimation ink

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

    Never seems to be a problem when we order.

    Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

    I guess it depends on what you order but we've never seem to have a problem as we don;t have prime either.
    The only time we don;t know is if teh total is below £20 then it says at the top add £xxxx for free P&P.
    Even when we had £19.99 it said £0.01p for free P&P
    I find ebay more confusing as you don;t know which carrier they'll be using.
    tried to order 300 2N3904 on ebay what a pain first supllier only had 140 in stock, another only had 200,
    and non seem to be cheaper than rapid .


    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.
    Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

    Ours don't control us.

    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.
    I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone.

    That's what happened to an idiot who died after swimming in a quarry.
    and some before him.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before
    anyone really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.
    Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

    How do you know that.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,
    Yes of course.

    How do you know they'll bring it back in one piece if at all.

    I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.
    Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

    What makes you think he'd have assets if he had to borrow your car.
    He could be homeless mentally ill or a psycho.
    he might not even pay for the pertrol used.





    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .
    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

    "even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

    That depends on the water.


    So what was this about? I don't watch the news.

    Who should be blamed and how does it help.

    you said you've driven in paris how did you get across the water , did you swim.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 11 16:21:26 2022
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)

    Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

    Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?

    yes that's how I know about it as he said he;s seeing a doctor about it, but I;ve no idea if it got sorted lost contact after he moved to canada.

    Not sure if moving to Canada will help.

    And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?

    Not much point haven't a larger cock if yuo can;t use it.

    Maybe its larger when flaccid too?

    Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.
    Councils are arseholes.

    Yes most seem to be made up of arseholes.

    They're people who can't get jobs in private companies.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a
    couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going
    after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)

    17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 11 16:28:41 2022
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:40:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.
    At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £50
    an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

    That's how I got my SE-30 as the SIMM holders went brittle and snapped so you could have any more than 4MB installed.

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.

    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.

    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.

    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera

    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.

    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    I have a ledger book with some things listed
    125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 ! Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.
    I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it
    having had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

    People do have differnt tolerancies alsot deoends on speed of drinking and whether you've had anything to eat.

    I think my body classes ethanol as a fuel.

    It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

    Yeah or looking in the mirror to do makeup.

    I once followed two women in separate cars on a 2 lane motorway. They were in 1 lane each, with the windows down, shouting across to each other having a discussion about something. After a couple of minutes they noticed I wanted past, waved in apology,
    and let me through. Having a conversation between cars didn't bother me, but only going 70, WTF?

    I used to drive better at caremggedon after a few drinks back from the pub ......

    Indeed, a small amount of drink increases brain activity. Health too. You have to drink more than 4 times the government recommended amount to start having a detrimental effect on your health.

    Did you get the splat pack?

    I did like killing the old grannies shouting "I was in the war!"

    Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

    Would like to be able to myself in such circumstances.

    So now you want to drive? Thought you didn't see the point?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 11 17:48:14 2022
    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.
    Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

    Ours don't control us.

    They bloody do, there's 150,000 laws you're meant to follow, I doubt you know what they all are.

    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.
    I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone.

    That's what happened to an idiot who died after swimming in a quarry.
    and some before him.

    Why would you die swimming in a quarry? It's just water.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before
    anyone really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.
    Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

    How do you know that.

    46 years of experience.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
    Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,
    Yes of course.

    How do you know they'll bring it back in one piece if at all.

    Not my problem.

    I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.
    Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

    What makes you think he'd have assets if he had to borrow your car.
    He could be homeless mentally ill or a psycho.
    he might not even pay for the pertrol used.

    I tend to lend things to people I know.

    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .
    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

    "even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

    That depends on the water.

    Well apart form highly acidic water next to a volcano, there isn't much that would kill you off.

    So what was this about? I don't watch the news.

    Who should be blamed and how does it help.

    Nobody should be blamed. The person flying the plane crashed it. Can't blame anyone else.

    you said you've driven in paris how did you get across the water , did you swim.

    Paris isn't full of water.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 11 17:48:08 2022
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:52:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 14:42:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >
    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the
    laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with
    fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay.
    The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at
    once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.
    Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

    No why would we.

    When I worked in a uni there were about 50 printers in use in one department. I'd probably change a toner or ink cartridge 8 times a day. How the hell do your staff get buy without printing?

    Only research, if they need a specific printer for a specific reason, such as one inkjet that was specailly desgined for using with conductive ink.
    and the few poster printers we have. They just replace the printers after 2-3 years
    Presently a Pagewide Managed color MFP E77660 and a Pagewide Managed color MFP E58650.
    All controlled by college IT services , they keep counts of how many prints the students do , students can use a card to pay for credits to print more.
    But they don;t print much, course work is mainly emailed in as PDF instructions and labsheets sent to them as PDFs.
    We sometimes print out help sheets and some basic labs sheets.
    Why would we need our own printers ?

    So in a lecture they're all at a computer are they? Nothing is on paper?

    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one. >> >> > I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.
    I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

    No it;s the paper too how much ink it soaks up, glossy matt, pearl stipple depending on effect.
    differnt papper abosrb diffenert amounts of ink and sometimes the cheap inks aren;t colourfast.
    If you want the best you don't use standard ink anyway you use dye sublimation ink

    I find stuff in sunlight fades, but surely that's only down to the ink, not the paper. I'm not going to put fancy expensive ink in just for the odd time I need it colourfast.

    I'm thinking of changing my inkjet to a colour laser anyway, I'm sick of the ink clogging up if I don't use it for a while. Cheapest colour inkjet is £60 new. 2nd hand ones are already fucked. Cheapest 2nd hand colour laser (which will work fine as
    they never break) is £80, and toner can't dry up.

    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

    Never seems to be a problem when we order.

    Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

    I guess it depends on what you order but we've never seem to have a problem as we don;t have prime either.
    The only time we don;t know is if teh total is below £20 then it says at the top add £xxxx for free P&P.
    Even when we had £19.99 it said £0.01p for free P&P

    Ebay is very simple, the postage is shown in the search list.

    I find ebay more confusing as you don;t know which carrier they'll be using.
    tried to order 300 2N3904 on ebay what a pain first supllier only had 140 in stock, another only had 200,
    and non seem to be cheaper than rapid .

    Ebay is best for ordering the odd thing. Bulk is cheapest from big suppliers. I bought a pack of 10 fuses the other day, getting that from Rapid would have cost more in postage than the fuses.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 11 17:40:12 2022
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:10:07 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 14:52:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
    well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
    What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

    When you click on the number yuo can scroll down to enter the number yuo want to order it went to 30 and stopped.

    No, I was opening each one to see how many each guy had in stock.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.
    I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

    Yes that's the disadvantage of measuring amps.
    Most things run on volts, which is why I hope they'll teach students about current limits on our PSU.
    Most things they do run on less that 1amp.

    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them

    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39

    So don't tell them you did it.

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests

    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 12 02:59:17 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:28:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:40:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.
    At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £
    50 an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

    That's how I got my SE-30 as the SIMM holders went brittle and snapped so you could have any more than 4MB installed.

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.



    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.

    I have a ledger book with some things listed
    125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 !
    Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.
    I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it
    having had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

    People do have differnt tolerancies alsot deoends on speed of drinking and whether you've had anything to eat.
    I think my body classes ethanol as a fuel.

    I think when that happens it's alcohlism the body uses aclchol and doesn;t use 'food' as efficiently and that's why you just can;t go cold turkey and be 'cured' like you cxan to tobacco or herion/cocaine etc...

    It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

    Yeah or looking in the mirror to do makeup.
    I once followed two women in separate cars on a 2 lane motorway. They were in 1 lane each, with the windows down, shouting across to each other having a discussion about something. After a couple of minutes they noticed I wanted past, waved in apology,
    and let me through. Having a conversation between cars didn't bother me, but only going 70, WTF?

    Some people can react faster than others.

    I used to drive better at caremggedon after a few drinks back from the pub ......
    Indeed, a small amount of drink increases brain activity. Health too. You have to drink more than 4 times the government recommended amount to start having a detrimental effect on your health.

    Did you get the splat pack?

    Yes.


    I did like killing the old grannies shouting "I was in the war!"
    Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

    Would like to be able to myself in such circumstances.
    So now you want to drive? Thought you didn't see the point?

    Well I mean drive a real car, a formula 1 and formula E in various states of drunkness
    then plot a grphs of times against blood alcohol and any over axis.
    Always find it interesting how in the US they get people to walk a straight line and touch their nose.

    Flying a plane too , but as a fun thing to try, don;t really want to spend the time and money to get qualified
    or buy a plane, well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !, almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.

    Was wathcing a bit of the grande prix sunday after about 10 seconds I realised I recognised the red bull track from a game I play.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 12 02:34:14 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:21:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)
    Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

    why should that suprise me.
    doing karate doesn't mean you can win a fight, well only in crap films.


    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have
    a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going
    after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)
    17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.

    Still got my Apple 17" studio display ADC in the loft .
    £20 on ebay hardly worth the cost of shipping let alone anything else.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 12 03:49:49 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:48:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.
    Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

    Ours don't control us.
    They bloody do, there's 150,000 laws you're meant to follow, I doubt you know what they all are.

    I don't need to. Only need to know the ones that affect me.


    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.
    I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone.

    That's what happened to an idiot who died after swimming in a quarry.
    and some before him.
    Why would you die swimming in a quarry? It's just water.

    Very deep water and he got into difficulties whatever that means. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11000531/Boy-16-dies-getting-difficulty-swimming-abandoned-Wigan-quarry.html

    maybe he was drunk, or something else.


    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before
    anyone really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.
    Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

    How do you know that.
    46 years of experience.

    So pretty meaningless.
    You always know exactly what someone in the same room is doing .

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place. >> >> > Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,
    Yes of course.

    How do you know they'll bring it back in one piece if at all.
    Not my problem.

    So if you lend a car to someone and they don;t bring it back it;s not yuor problem ?
    Who's problem is it and how is it solved.

    I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.
    Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

    What makes you think he'd have assets if he had to borrow your car.
    He could be homeless mentally ill or a psycho.
    he might not even pay for the pertrol used.
    I tend to lend things to people I know.

    What differnce does that make ?

    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .
    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

    "even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

    That depends on the water.
    Well apart form highly acidic water next to a volcano, there isn't much that would kill you off.

    How about those on the Titanic.

    So what was this about? I don't watch the news.

    Who should be blamed and how does it help.
    Nobody should be blamed. The person flying the plane crashed it. Can't blame anyone else.

    Did someone pay him to crash it, should it have been flying was it in a safe condition.

    which is back to PAT testing why bother with such a thing ?

    you said you've driven in paris how did you get across the water , did you swim.
    Paris isn't full of water.

    but thre is thsi bit of water bewteen the UK and france surely you've noticed that.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 12 03:19:42 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:48:16 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:52:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 14:42:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the
    laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with
    fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay.
    The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at
    once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.
    Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

    No why would we.
    When I worked in a uni there were about 50 printers in use in one department. I'd probably change a toner or ink cartridge 8 times a day. How the hell do your staff get buy without printing?

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question. even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices. If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the
    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.
    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.
    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.


    Only research, if they need a specific printer for a specific reason, such as one inkjet that was specailly desgined for using with conductive ink.
    and the few poster printers we have. They just replace the printers after 2-3 years
    Presently a Pagewide Managed color MFP E77660 and a Pagewide Managed color MFP E58650.
    All controlled by college IT services , they keep counts of how many prints the students do , students can use a card to pay for credits to print more.
    But they don;t print much, course work is mainly emailed in as PDF instructions and labsheets sent to them as PDFs.
    We sometimes print out help sheets and some basic labs sheets.
    Why would we need our own printers ?
    So in a lecture they're all at a computer are they? Nothing is on paper?
    Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
    of the area coloured in.
    We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
    So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
    I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
    A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
    I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

    Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.
    I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

    No it;s the paper too how much ink it soaks up, glossy matt, pearl stipple depending on effect.
    differnt papper abosrb diffenert amounts of ink and sometimes the cheap inks aren;t colourfast.
    If you want the best you don't use standard ink anyway you use dye sublimation ink
    I find stuff in sunlight fades, but surely that's only down to the ink, not the paper. I'm not going to put fancy expensive ink in just for the odd time I need it colourfast.

    I'm thinking of changing my inkjet to a colour laser anyway, I'm sick of the ink clogging up if I don't use it for a while. Cheapest colour inkjet is £60 new. 2nd hand ones are already fucked. Cheapest 2nd hand colour laser (which will work fine as
    they never break) is £80, and toner can't dry up.
    we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
    These? Did you drop a link?

    was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
    Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.

    That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
    If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

    Well I believe it when I see it.
    ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
    Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

    Never seems to be a problem when we order.

    Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

    I guess it depends on what you order but we've never seem to have a problem as we don;t have prime either.
    The only time we don;t know is if teh total is below £20 then it says at the top add £xxxx for free P&P.
    Even when we had £19.99 it said £0.01p for free P&P
    Ebay is very simple, the postage is shown in the search list.
    I find ebay more confusing as you don;t know which carrier they'll be using.
    tried to order 300 2N3904 on ebay what a pain first supllier only had 140 in stock, another only had 200,
    and non seem to be cheaper than rapid .
    Ebay is best for ordering the odd thing. Bulk is cheapest from big suppliers. I bought a pack of 10 fuses the other day, getting that from Rapid would have cost more in postage than the fuses.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 12 03:39:40 2022
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:40:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:10:07 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 14:52:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
    well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
    What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

    When you click on the number yuo can scroll down to enter the number yuo want to order it went to 30 and stopped.
    No, I was opening each one to see how many each guy had in stock.

    Well I know how many they have from the site.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.
    I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

    Yes that's the disadvantage of measuring amps.
    Most things run on volts, which is why I hope they'll teach students about current limits on our PSU.
    Most things they do run on less that 1amp.
    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    yes we have one of those but we won;t be having 100 students working on a car in the lab.
    They'll be using 6V 60ma bulds to start with then I'll move them on to LEDs .

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug, and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does. I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.


    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.

    I suggested the college should employ a PAT tester full time , we used to give someone 1 day a week to do just our department
    and it wasn't enough time as they wanted everything tested every year.
    So it's been a fuck you regarding us PAT testing.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 12 21:12:45 2022
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:34:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:21:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)
    Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

    why should that suprise me.
    doing karate doesn't mean you can win a fight, well only in crap films.

    He could have won against one or three, but not ten. I wasn't involved, I was playing Airwolf on the BBC B computer.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I
    have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still
    going after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)
    17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.

    Still got my Apple 17" studio display ADC in the loft .

    I hope you reinforced the loft. I take it it's a CRT? Careful carrying that down a ladder.

    I once carried a 34" CRT TVfrom one end of the school to the other, walked into the middle of a class and swapped it with a busted one. I think the teacher expected me to use a trolley.

    Another time a boy appeared and asked if I had a spare TV for whatever lesson he was in. He was only 14 but three times my size, so I took him to a store cupboard and pointed to a huge CRT at least 40" that was constantly in my way, and he walked off
    with it!

    £20 on ebay hardly worth the cost of shipping let alone anything else.

    Somebody on freecycle will take it. Saves you driving to the skip and it means it'll get some use.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 12 21:21:29 2022
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:28:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:40:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
    as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
    I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

    A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
    He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.
    At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £
    50 an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

    That's how I got my SE-30 as the SIMM holders went brittle and snapped so you could have any more than 4MB installed.

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.

    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.

    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.

    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.

    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked out as
    another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I have a ledger book with some things listed
    125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 ! >> > Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !

    No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
    don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
    Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

    Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
    I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

    One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
    From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.
    I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it
    having had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

    People do have differnt tolerancies alsot deoends on speed of drinking and whether you've had anything to eat.
    I think my body classes ethanol as a fuel.

    I think when that happens it's alcohlism the body uses aclchol and doesn;t use 'food' as efficiently and that's why you just can;t go cold turkey and be 'cured' like you cxan to tobacco or herion/cocaine etc...

    If I didn't use food efficiently I wouldn't be fat.

    It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

    Yeah or looking in the mirror to do makeup.
    I once followed two women in separate cars on a 2 lane motorway. They were in 1 lane each, with the windows down, shouting across to each other having a discussion about something. After a couple of minutes they noticed I wanted past, waved in apology,
    and let me through. Having a conversation between cars didn't bother me, but only going 70, WTF?

    Some people can react faster than others.

    I tested my reaction speed once, it was three times faster than the highway code says it should be.

    I used to drive better at caremggedon after a few drinks back from the pub ......
    Indeed, a small amount of drink increases brain activity. Health too. You have to drink more than 4 times the government recommended amount to start having a detrimental effect on your health.

    Did you get the splat pack?

    Yes.

    I did like killing the old grannies shouting "I was in the war!"
    Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

    Would like to be able to myself in such circumstances.
    So now you want to drive? Thought you didn't see the point?

    Well I mean drive a real car, a formula 1 and formula E in various states of drunkness
    then plot a grphs of times against blood alcohol and any over axis.

    Sounds fun, count me in.

    Always find it interesting how in the US they get people to walk a straight line and touch their nose.

    That's more sensible, it measures ability rather than just a number.

    Flying a plane too , but as a fun thing to try, don;t really want to spend the time and money to get qualified
    or buy a plane,

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !

    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.

    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Was wathcing a bit of the grande prix sunday after about 10 seconds I realised I recognised the red bull track from a game I play.

    ROFL!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 12 23:14:12 2022
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:40:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:10:07 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 14:52:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >
    Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

    OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

    4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

    If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
    £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
    well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
    What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

    When you click on the number yuo can scroll down to enter the number yuo want to order it went to 30 and stopped.
    No, I was opening each one to see how many each guy had in stock.

    Well I know how many they have from the site.

    I would have to open each one.

    I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
    Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
    Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

    Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.
    I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

    Yes that's the disadvantage of measuring amps.
    Most things run on volts, which is why I hope they'll teach students about current limits on our PSU.
    Most things they do run on less that 1amp.
    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    yes we have one of those but we won;t be having 100 students working on a car in the lab.
    They'll be using 6V 60ma bulds to start with then I'll move them on to LEDs .

    I thought it was a uni you worked in not a primary school. What research are they doing?

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,

    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .

    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does. I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.

    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?

    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.

    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.

    Never happens.

    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.

    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    I suggested the college should employ a PAT tester full time , we used to give someone 1 day a week to do just our department
    and it wasn't enough time as they wanted everything tested every year.
    So it's been a fuck you regarding us PAT testing.

    Every year? Where the fuck did that come from? We did 4 years. And new stuff didn't need testing since the manufacturer has tested it. Like a new car doesn't need a MOT for 3 years.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 12 22:24:50 2022
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:19:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:48:16 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:52:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 14:42:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.

    I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like
    the laser PCB maker which is £250k.

    I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers
    with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on
    Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running
    at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

    We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
    Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

    Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.
    Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

    No why would we.
    When I worked in a uni there were about 50 printers in use in one department. I'd probably change a toner or ink cartridge 8 times a day. How the hell do your staff get buy without printing?

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question.

    Oh don't start with the treehugger paperless society, it's inconvenient. Plus I wonder how much electricity people use to power the devices they now read things on. And the materials used to create those electronics.

    even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices.
    If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the

    WTF, there should be bins in every room.

    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.

    So when they want to study they all have to sit at a computer, how ridiculous.

    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.

    Yeah showing people pictures can be useful. When I was repairing my mother's door handle, we went to B&Q after I took a photo of her holding a ruler against the old one, saved me measuring every part of it.

    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.

    I was once asked for a figure of 8 lead, we eventually worked out she meant a taperecorder lead. She didn't know what a taperecorder was.

    Same student asked me for a cloverleaf lead, I'd never though about naming that but I guess it's a sensible name.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 12 23:18:18 2022
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:49:49 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 17:48:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
    Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
    Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
    I assume you have some outdoor areas?

    Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
    something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
    Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

    Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
    God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
    fucking idiots.
    At least they can shoot the police.
    Like on jan 6th good idea.
    Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

    Ours don't control us.
    They bloody do, there's 150,000 laws you're meant to follow, I doubt you know what they all are.

    I don't need to. Only need to know the ones that affect me.

    But you won't know what ones would affect you without going through them all, and who does that?

    You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
    I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
    couldn;t care less myself.
    I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone. >> >
    That's what happened to an idiot who died after swimming in a quarry.
    and some before him.
    Why would you die swimming in a quarry? It's just water.

    Very deep water and he got into difficulties whatever that means. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11000531/Boy-16-dies-getting-difficulty-swimming-abandoned-Wigan-quarry.html

    maybe he was drunk, or something else.

    Must have been. It's not like quarries have fast moving water or huge waves.

    Actually, I've swum while pissed out of my head, it's fine.

    After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before
    anyone really knew what happened.
    Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
    Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

    He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
    That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

    That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.
    Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

    How do you know that.
    46 years of experience.

    So pretty meaningless.
    You always know exactly what someone in the same room is doing .

    For 46 years nobody has harmed me through negligence. Good enough odds for me.

    He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place. >> >> >> > Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
    All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

    But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
    He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
    If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
    Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,
    Yes of course.

    How do you know they'll bring it back in one piece if at all.
    Not my problem.

    So if you lend a car to someone and they don;t bring it back it;s not yuor problem ?
    Who's problem is it and how is it solved.

    Their problem they pay for it.

    I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.
    Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

    What makes you think he'd have assets if he had to borrow your car.
    He could be homeless mentally ill or a psycho.
    he might not even pay for the pertrol used.
    I tend to lend things to people I know.

    What differnce does that make ?

    Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
    Like the footballer in the light aircraft .
    This?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

    "even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

    That depends on the water.
    Well apart form highly acidic water next to a volcano, there isn't much that would kill you off.

    How about those on the Titanic.

    Pussies.

    So what was this about? I don't watch the news.

    Who should be blamed and how does it help.
    Nobody should be blamed. The person flying the plane crashed it. Can't blame anyone else.

    Did someone pay him to crash it, should it have been flying was it in a safe condition.

    Who cares if it was safe? What's this obsession with safety? Why has everyone turned into a girl?

    which is back to PAT testing why bother with such a thing ?

    I didn't, once I realised nobody was checking I did it. Nobody PAT tests stuff in their own house, so why make a workplace more safe than a house?

    you said you've driven in paris how did you get across the water , did you swim.
    Paris isn't full of water.

    but thre is thsi bit of water bewteen the UK and france surely you've noticed that.

    There's a tunnel and loads of ferries, what was your point?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jul 17 17:52:22 2022
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:12:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:34:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:21:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)
    Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

    why should that suprise me.
    doing karate doesn't mean you can win a fight, well only in crap films.
    He could have won against one or three, but not ten. I wasn't involved, I was playing Airwolf on the BBC B computer.

    A far more civilised thing to be doing , my favourite BBC games were revs, repton and elite.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I
    have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still
    going after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)
    17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.

    Still got my Apple 17" studio display ADC in the loft .
    I hope you reinforced the loft. I take it it's a CRT? Careful carrying that down a ladder.

    No LCD. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204030120920?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&customid=CjwKCAjw5s6WBhA4EiwACGncZfKKv7e7qDUzM36_UVXgGemIPoMOSn-apN4nPOu6y-SOEJ686kUCDhoC8VUQAvD_BwE
    I did have a https://everymac.com/monitors/apple/applevision_colorsync/specs/applevision_1710av.html

    reminded me of marvin the paranoid android from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy .


    I once carried a 34" CRT TVfrom one end of the school to the other, walked into the middle of a class and swapped it with a busted one. I think the teacher expected me to use a trolley.

    I had a sony 27inc CRT TV that was bloody heavy


    Another time a boy appeared and asked if I had a spare TV for whatever lesson he was in. He was only 14 but three times my size, so I took him to a store cupboard and pointed to a huge CRT at least 40" that was constantly in my way, and he walked off
    with it!
    £20 on ebay hardly worth the cost of shipping let alone anything else.
    Somebody on freecycle will take it. Saves you driving to the skip and it means it'll get some use.
    It has a dedicated connector that carries the 28V PSU from a graphics card or need a special adapter.
    I think the top backlight is faulty too. Again something I was tempted to fix but then the LCD G5 iMacs came out.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 18 02:15:24 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 01:52:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:12:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:34:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 16:21:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
    turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
    and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
    ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

    Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
    Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
    I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

    Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)
    Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

    why should that suprise me.
    doing karate doesn't mean you can win a fight, well only in crap films.
    He could have won against one or three, but not ten. I wasn't involved, I was playing Airwolf on the BBC B computer.

    A far more civilised thing to be doing , my favourite BBC games were revs, repton and elite.

    I rewired the circuit breaker when the teacher wasn't looking. Stupid thing tripped when anyone touched the CUB monitor since a lot of current leaked to earth when we gave each other static shocks.

    Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
    Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.

    One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
    I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I
    have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

    That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
    It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still
    going after 20 years.

    So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
    I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

    Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)
    17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.

    Still got my Apple 17" studio display ADC in the loft .
    I hope you reinforced the loft. I take it it's a CRT? Careful carrying that down a ladder.

    No LCD. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204030120920?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&customid=CjwKCAjw5s6WBhA4EiwACGncZfKKv7e7qDUzM36_UVXgGemIPoMOSn-apN4nPOu6y-SOEJ686kUCDhoC8VUQAvD_BwE
    I did have a https://everymac.com/monitors/apple/applevision_colorsync/specs/applevision_1710av.html

    reminded me of marvin the paranoid android from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy .


    I once carried a 34" CRT TVfrom one end of the school to the other, walked into the middle of a class and swapped it with a busted one. I think the teacher expected me to use a trolley.

    I had a sony 27inc CRT TV that was bloody heavy

    The Sony Trinitron I think were heavier for some reason, thicker glass?

    Another time a boy appeared and asked if I had a spare TV for whatever lesson he was in. He was only 14 but three times my size, so I took him to a store cupboard and pointed to a huge CRT at least 40" that was constantly in my way, and he walked off
    with it!
    £20 on ebay hardly worth the cost of shipping let alone anything else.
    Somebody on freecycle will take it. Saves you driving to the skip and it means it'll get some use.
    It has a dedicated connector that carries the 28V PSU from a graphics card or need a special adapter.
    I think the top backlight is faulty too. Again something I was tempted to fix but then the LCD G5 iMacs came out.

    Somebody took a monitor from me which only 2/3rds of it displayed anything. I guess something had blown that fed one third of the dots. I dunno if he fixed it or just used the other part for a server or something.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jul 17 18:32:24 2022
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 22:24:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:19:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question.
    Oh don't start with the treehugger paperless society, it's inconvenient. Plus I wonder how much electricity people use to power the devices they now read things on. And the materials used to create those electronics.

    They have their phones laptops etc.. why carry around text books that cost from £30 to £100 when they can read the PDF on the phone.
    Most coursework is uploaded via email and automatically checked for plagiarism, if yuo have a class of 600 students checking their work hasn't been copied from a book is a pain and takes to long.

    even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices.
    If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the
    WTF, there should be bins in every room.

    Why we have 100s of offices the multi use rooms will have a bin or two we have about 6 in our lab, we don;t need 2 each in our 3 offices.

    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.
    So when they want to study they all have to sit at a computer, how ridiculous.

    Most have laptops or phones or tablets now. If they want they can print stuff out it;s up to them.
    Far easier to search through text on a computer than have bookmarks .
    Quite a few don;t even carry a pen or pencil as they borrow from me quite often .


    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.
    Yeah showing people pictures can be useful. When I was repairing my mother's door handle, we went to B&Q after I took a photo of her holding a ruler against the old one, saved me measuring every part of it.
    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.
    I was once asked for a figure of 8 lead, we eventually worked out she meant a taperecorder lead. She didn't know what a taperecorder was.
    I have a selection of leads it;s annoying but most of our stuff use IEC.



    Same student asked me for a cloverleaf lead, I'd never though about naming that but I guess it's a sensible name.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jul 17 18:15:56 2022
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:



    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now. >> > I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels. >> Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .

    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked out
    as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.

    I have a ledger book with some things listed
    125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 !
    Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !



    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.

    Was wathcing a bit of the grande prix sunday after about 10 seconds I realised I recognised the red bull track from a game I play.
    ROFL!

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jul 17 19:03:37 2022
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:



    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    yes we have one of those but we won;t be having 100 students working on a car in the lab.
    They'll be using 6V 60ma bulds to start with then I'll move them on to LEDs .
    I thought it was a uni you worked in not a primary school. What research are they doing?

    Quite highend stuff whos titles I don;t even understand lots to do with big data deepmind computing , we were researching how to contructing an invisibility cloak a grant of $5 million bewteen us and two other universities.

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .


    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .


    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.

    I suggested the college should employ a PAT tester full time , we used to give someone 1 day a week to do just our department
    and it wasn't enough time as they wanted everything tested every year.
    So it's been a fuck you regarding us PAT testing.
    Every year? Where the fuck did that come from? We did 4 years. And new stuff didn't need testing since the manufacturer has tested it. Like a new car doesn't need a MOT for 3 years.

    I know but they wanted it that way, I did explain it to them think that's why it was stopped so they now have to decide what to do about PAT testing. Previously the college paid now each department has to pay from their own funds.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 18 03:38:13 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .

    Block?

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now. >> >> > I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels. >> >> Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.

    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .

    Ah, several CCDs? I wondered why it made a noise.

    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked out
    as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.

    My chemistry teacher asked if anyone had a genuine gold ring. My friend did. It was dipped in nitric acid, which meant it was gold.

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,

    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .

    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.

    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 18 19:28:04 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:32:24 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 22:24:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:19:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question.
    Oh don't start with the treehugger paperless society, it's inconvenient. Plus I wonder how much electricity people use to power the devices they now read things on. And the materials used to create those electronics.

    They have their phones laptops etc.. why carry around text books that cost from £30 to £100 when they can read the PDF on the phone.

    Not sure why those books cost that much. Presumably most is the research cost, not the paper cost, so why don't the PDF copies cost that much? Or are you pirating it?

    Most coursework is uploaded via email and automatically checked for plagiarism, if yuo have a class of 600 students checking their work hasn't been copied from a book is a pain and takes to long.

    Pretty easy to reword an article to avoid that.

    even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices.
    If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the
    WTF, there should be bins in every room.

    Why we have 100s of offices the multi use rooms will have a bin or two we have about 6 in our lab, we don;t need 2 each in our 3 offices.

    I always did, there's always stuff people are throwing away.

    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.
    So when they want to study they all have to sit at a computer, how ridiculous.

    Most have laptops or phones or tablets now. If they want they can print stuff out it;s up to them.
    Far easier to search through text on a computer than have bookmarks .
    Quite a few don;t even carry a pen or pencil as they borrow from me quite often .

    Do they take notes on a phone?!

    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.
    Yeah showing people pictures can be useful. When I was repairing my mother's door handle, we went to B&Q after I took a photo of her holding a ruler against the old one, saved me measuring every part of it.
    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.
    I was once asked for a figure of 8 lead, we eventually worked out she meant a taperecorder lead. She didn't know what a taperecorder was.
    I have a selection of leads it;s annoying but most of our stuff use IEC.

    USB is the worst. There must be 15 connector types.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 18 19:34:12 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    yes we have one of those but we won;t be having 100 students working on a car in the lab.
    They'll be using 6V 60ma bulds to start with then I'll move them on to LEDs .
    I thought it was a uni you worked in not a primary school. What research are they doing?

    Quite highend stuff whos titles I don;t even understand lots to do with big data deepmind computing , we were researching how to contructing an invisibility cloak a grant of $5 million bewteen us and two other universities.

    And yet you speak of 6V 60mA and LEDs.

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.

    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .

    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .

    What?

    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.

    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.

    Wow, just do it yourself.

    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.

    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up. It
    worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.

    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I suggested the college should employ a PAT tester full time , we used to give someone 1 day a week to do just our department
    and it wasn't enough time as they wanted everything tested every year.
    So it's been a fuck you regarding us PAT testing.
    Every year? Where the fuck did that come from? We did 4 years. And new stuff didn't need testing since the manufacturer has tested it. Like a new car doesn't need a MOT for 3 years.

    I know but they wanted it that way, I did explain it to them think that's why it was stopped so they now have to decide what to do about PAT testing. Previously the college paid now each department has to pay from their own funds.

    Which is why in my department I just did it myself. £80 for a 2nd hand PAT tester off Ebay, and fuck all for a roll of pass stickers. I never used fail stickers.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 18 18:42:48 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:28:11 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:32:24 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 22:24:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:19:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question.
    Oh don't start with the treehugger paperless society, it's inconvenient. Plus I wonder how much electricity people use to power the devices they now read things on. And the materials used to create those electronics.

    They have their phones laptops etc.. why carry around text books that cost from £30 to £100 when they can read the PDF on the phone.
    Not sure why those books cost that much. Presumably most is the research cost, not the paper cost, so why don't the PDF copies cost that much? Or are you pirating it?

    No educational discounts check out kindle for book prices.
    Stocking distribution etc are the main costs I think.

    Most coursework is uploaded via email and automatically checked for plagiarism, if yuo have a class of 600 students checking their work hasn't been copied from a book is a pain and takes to long.
    Pretty easy to reword an article to avoid that.

    Not really that easy , when it flags something you can then check manually.

    It's done with music too all done via AI etc.

    even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices.
    If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the
    WTF, there should be bins in every room.

    Why we have 100s of offices the multi use rooms will have a bin or two we have about 6 in our lab, we don;t need 2 each in our 3 offices.
    I always did, there's always stuff people are throwing away.

    Packaging mostly.

    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.
    So when they want to study they all have to sit at a computer, how ridiculous.

    Most have laptops or phones or tablets now. If they want they can print stuff out it;s up to them.
    Far easier to search through text on a computer than have bookmarks . Quite a few don;t even carry a pen or pencil as they borrow from me quite often .
    Do they take notes on a phone?!

    well all the lectures are recorded and posted online they can make notes either by typing or writing, it';s up to them.
    Most people can type faster than they can write on a laptop and most have them.

    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.
    Yeah showing people pictures can be useful. When I was repairing my mother's door handle, we went to B&Q after I took a photo of her holding a ruler against the old one, saved me measuring every part of it.
    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.
    I was once asked for a figure of 8 lead, we eventually worked out she meant a taperecorder lead. She didn't know what a taperecorder was.
    I have a selection of leads it;s annoying but most of our stuff use IEC.
    USB is the worst. There must be 15 connector types.

    the pi4s use a 5.1V PSU which is annoying

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 18 18:33:54 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .
    Ah, several CCDs? I wondered why it made a noise.
    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked
    out as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.
    My chemistry teacher asked if anyone had a genuine gold ring. My friend did. It was dipped in nitric acid, which meant it was gold.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 19 02:53:34 2022
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:42:48 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:28:11 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:32:24 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 22:24:57 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:19:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    printing is so 20th century, why do we need to print should be the question.
    Oh don't start with the treehugger paperless society, it's inconvenient. Plus I wonder how much electricity people use to power the devices they now read things on. And the materials used to create those electronics.

    They have their phones laptops etc.. why carry around text books that cost from £30 to £100 when they can read the PDF on the phone.
    Not sure why those books cost that much. Presumably most is the research cost, not the paper cost, so why don't the PDF copies cost that much? Or are you pirating it?

    No educational discounts check out kindle for book prices.
    Stocking distribution etc are the main costs I think.

    When I studied at uni, I bought them second hand then sold them back to the shop at the end of the year, only cost a few quid per book if it was returned in the same condition.

    Most coursework is uploaded via email and automatically checked for plagiarism, if yuo have a class of 600 students checking their work hasn't been copied from a book is a pain and takes to long.
    Pretty easy to reword an article to avoid that.

    Not really that easy, when it flags something you can then check manually.

    It's done with music too all done via AI etc.

    Bullshit. Easy to outsmart a computer. The Youtube copyright algorithm can be outsmarted by uploading the video in mirror image.

    even if we use ebay we don't have to send them a gross of sheep in exchange for products.
    There's a printer in most labs and perhaps a couple in the main shared offices.
    If an acadmic wants a printer they can order one from their grant money and they;'ll have to fill it and replace the ink.
    we have done the same with bins especailly since covid not every office has 2 bins that the cleaners have to collect from.
    There are bins in corridors and shared offices, I don;t have a bin, I jusrt use the
    WTF, there should be bins in every room.

    Why we have 100s of offices the multi use rooms will have a bin or two we have about 6 in our lab, we don;t need 2 each in our 3 offices.
    I always did, there's always stuff people are throwing away.

    Packaging mostly.

    Yes. Including crisp packets.

    All the student labsheets are on-line as PDF, all the order forms students use are in google-docs.
    So when they want to study they all have to sit at a computer, how ridiculous.

    Most have laptops or phones or tablets now. If they want they can print stuff out it;s up to them.
    Far easier to search through text on a computer than have bookmarks .
    Quite a few don;t even carry a pen or pencil as they borrow from me quite often .
    Do they take notes on a phone?!

    well all the lectures are recorded and posted online they can make notes either by typing or writing, it';s up to them.
    Most people can type faster than they can write on a laptop and most have them.

    Sensible lecturers hand out the lecture, some of mine insisted we write it down. Stupid really, your full attention should be on what he's saying.

    In my electronics lecture, typed stuff would have been difficult due to all the diagrams and formulas. Easier for him to write it by hand, photocopy it, and hand it to us.

    Had one pHd student come to me yesterday asking for soldering board , I handed him some 'veroboard he said not that type,
    then he showed me an image of martix board on his phone so I gave him that instead I said we don't use really use this much.
    He wanted a 3 pin lead no idea what type again showed me what he wanted on the phone it was a female to female 3 pin JST lead 2.54mm pitch.
    Yeah showing people pictures can be useful. When I was repairing my mother's door handle, we went to B&Q after I took a photo of her holding a ruler against the old one, saved me measuring every part of it.
    he was pleased because I had one in stock , but he he said that means they don't need ordering so don;t have to go on the ordering form, wait till he sees I've added them
    He didn't know any of that he just wanted a lead with 3 pins, he was lucky he could show me a a picture there an then otherwise I;d have given him a IEC lead,
    and said this has 3 pins.
    I was once asked for a figure of 8 lead, we eventually worked out she meant a taperecorder lead. She didn't know what a taperecorder was.
    I have a selection of leads it;s annoying but most of our stuff use IEC. >> USB is the worst. There must be 15 connector types.

    the pi4s use a 5.1V PSU which is annoying

    Surely they'd work on 5V? Nothing is that fussy.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 19 02:49:45 2022
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy . >> Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.

    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.

    No that's what common sense is for.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .
    Ah, several CCDs? I wondered why it made a noise.
    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked
    out as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.
    My chemistry teacher asked if anyone had a genuine gold ring. My friend did. It was dipped in nitric acid, which meant it was gold.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.

    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)

    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.

    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.

    What a waste.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 18 19:08:55 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I deal with stuff well over that. An amp clamp is nice though, especially for a car where I can't be bothered disconnecting stuff in awkward places.

    yes we have one of those but we won;t be having 100 students working on a car in the lab.
    They'll be using 6V 60ma bulds to start with then I'll move them on to LEDs .
    I thought it was a uni you worked in not a primary school. What research are they doing?

    Quite highend stuff whos titles I don;t even understand lots to do with big data deepmind computing , we were researching how to contructing an invisibility cloak a grant of $5 million bewteen us and two other universities.
    And yet you speak of 6V 60mA and LEDs.

    That's for teaching 1st year undergrads on a skill course getting them used to using protoboards using the equipment
    for the first time getting used to measuring and understanding things, not for post grads or researchers.
    Our lab scopes only go up to 100MHz but we have a THz research lab which has scopes costing £50k or more.
    undergrades build cheap robots they learn how to do simple things with a budget of £50, but the research student in our lab
    uses a pepper robot which is £14k for programming it for interacting with people.



    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there, but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.

    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home. >> I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it, all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years.
    All irons have stands and we train them to use them.


    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him.
    If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc...



    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.


    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up. It
    worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.


    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.
    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I don't the lawyers do.

    I suggested the college should employ a PAT tester full time , we used to give someone 1 day a week to do just our department
    and it wasn't enough time as they wanted everything tested every year. >> > So it's been a fuck you regarding us PAT testing.
    Every year? Where the fuck did that come from? We did 4 years. And new stuff didn't need testing since the manufacturer has tested it. Like a new car doesn't need a MOT for 3 years.

    I know but they wanted it that way, I did explain it to them think that's why it was stopped so they now have to decide what to do about PAT testing. Previously the college paid now each department has to pay from their own funds.
    Which is why in my department I just did it myself. £80 for a 2nd hand PAT tester off Ebay, and fuck all for a roll of pass stickers. I never used fail stickers.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 19 03:55:39 2022
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something. >> >
    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,

    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.

    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.

    Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.

    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home. >> >> I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it,

    Aha, so you do replace wires.

    all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years. All irons have stands and we train them to use them.

    Yeah but the wire always gets in the way when you're using it.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him.
    If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc...

    Seriously it doesn't take long. Do it on overtime and get more beer money.

    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.

    Yes earth is well known to be dangerous, zero volts can be fatal.

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up. It
    worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.

    The law never gets involved with things like that.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.
    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I don't the lawyers do.

    Never happens.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 19 17:53:32 2022
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load, and then there's traffic lights .

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.
    No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.


    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .
    Ah, several CCDs? I wondered why it made a noise.
    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she freaked
    out as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.
    My chemistry teacher asked if anyone had a genuine gold ring. My friend did. It was dipped in nitric acid, which meant it was gold.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.


    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 20 02:01:59 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,

    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    and then there's traffic lights .

    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.
    No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.

    It says in the instructions not to put your head closer than 2 feet from it.

    1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

    We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
    We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
    20 FPS camera doesn't sound unusual.

    Sorry forgot the K so 20k FPS it had a large cinima type real like an old cine film camera 12" in diameter
    made a hell of a racket when it started up. I never got to see it in action though, well not actually doing any filming.
    I think it needed a major service.
    For high speed filming, see The Slow Mo Guys. I think they have a Phantom camera that does a million FPS.

    See that of similar filming light traveling through a bottle of water, think it uses rotating mirrors .
    Ah, several CCDs? I wondered why it made a noise.
    this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
    Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
    Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.
    Are substations still oil filled? Those make a nice big fire when they get shorted.

    Don;t really know we're starting teaching power stuff again but using tesktop versions.
    When I was in high school our physics teacher set up a simulation of the national grid divided by 100, so 2.4V at the "houses" with an xmas tree light. There were actually very high voltage bare wires across the room and at once point she
    freaked out as another teacher walked in and straight towards the "pylons" spanned across between two desks.

    I remember my physics teacher dipping his hands in mercury to upturn tubes to measure air pressure and stuff,
    he didn;t have much hair or many teeth , a good teacher.
    My chemistry teacher asked if anyone had a genuine gold ring. My friend did. It was dipped in nitric acid, which meant it was gold.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .

    Or if you have gold fillings.

    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .

    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.

    But you're called Whisky Dave. You mean you've abandoned the drink? WTF?

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery

    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 19 19:08:41 2022
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.

    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.
    No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.
    It says in the instructions not to put your head closer than 2 feet from it.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.


    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.
    But you're called Whisky Dave. You mean you've abandoned the drink? WTF?

    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.


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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 19 18:52:19 2022
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    people have died from electric shocks.


    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.
    Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    Look up the price of 74HC series. Most are at least 40p each. we buy them in 100s of each type,
    mostly 00, 04, 32, 74, 86 .



    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals. https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm


    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.

    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it,
    Aha, so you do replace wires.

    Cables not the individual live/earth/neutral wires.
    But the PSUs on the irons up up on a shelf only the iron lead is at desk level. we have about 30 of these, ordered another 3 last week. https://onecall.farnell.com/antex/690d/soldering-station-digital/dp/SD01910?ost=690d-digital-soldering-station&cfm=true





    all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years.
    All irons have stands and we train them to use them.
    Yeah but the wire always gets in the way when you're using it.

    Ours don't

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him. If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc...
    Seriously it doesn't take long. Do it on overtime and get more beer money.

    We don't get overtime and if we do we get time off inlue so no point.
    So checking just my lab would take about 3 weeks. working 7 hours a day.



    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.
    Yes earth is well known to be dangerous, zero volts can be fatal.
    Well any lead that isn't double insulated is an instant fail according to PAT testing.
    Its the visual checks we do without needing the actual tester unit.
    They didn't realise they were 24V irons they thought they were mains I suppose. Of you've done testing you should know that is a fail if it ws a mains lead.





    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Any fool can stick a sticker on, but they still need writing or printing out with the date (s) added.



    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up.
    It worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Not in a teaching environment.


    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.
    The law never gets involved with things like that.

    It does if I get killed at work next of kin get £100k it's in our contract of employment.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.
    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I don't the lawyers do.
    Never happens.

    Never heard of compensation then , via duty of care .

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 20 03:12:37 2022
    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it,
    Aha, so you do replace wires.

    Cables not the individual live/earth/neutral wires.

    That's what I meant, but if you change the cable, you need to change the plug if it's moulded crap.

    But the PSUs on the irons up up on a shelf only the iron lead is at desk level.
    we have about 30 of these, ordered another 3 last week. https://onecall.farnell.com/antex/690d/soldering-station-digital/dp/SD01910?ost=690d-digital-soldering-station&cfm=true

    Expensive bullshit. I've got a digitally controlled soldering iron, 80W, tiny thing the size of an 18W iron. Control is on the side. Heats up in seconds. Only cost about £15.

    all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years.
    All irons have stands and we train them to use them.
    Yeah but the wire always gets in the way when you're using it.

    Ours don't

    They must be magic wires.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him. >> > If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc...
    Seriously it doesn't take long. Do it on overtime and get more beer money.

    We don't get overtime and if we do we get time off inlue so no point.
    So checking just my lab would take about 3 weeks. working 7 hours a day.

    No overtime? Arseholes. For 2 years I did about 30 hours overtime a week. Earned a bloody fortune. The place was being extended and renovated, so I kept volunteering for things nobody wanted or knew how to do. If I got bored I gave some cash to the
    kids and they helped out. Oops, no, that's illegal, they're not allowed to employ underage kids, they must have done it as a favour or work experience or something :-)

    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.
    Yes earth is well known to be dangerous, zero volts can be fatal.
    Well any lead that isn't double insulated is an instant fail according to PAT testing.
    Its the visual checks we do without needing the actual tester unit.
    They didn't realise they were 24V irons they thought they were mains I suppose.
    Of you've done testing you should know that is a fail if it ws a mains lead.

    Not if it was the earth or neutral, why would I fail that? If it was the live I put a bit of tape round it.

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Any fool can stick a sticker on, but they still need writing or printing out with the date (s) added.

    Doesn't take long, using cut and paste.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up.
    It worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Not in a teaching environment.

    this was a teaching environment.

    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.
    The law never gets involved with things like that.

    It does if I get killed at work next of kin get £100k it's in our contract of employment.

    The chance of that are minimal.

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.
    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I don't the lawyers do.
    Never happens.

    Never heard of compensation then , via duty of care .

    Very rare, nothing to worry about.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 20 03:12:31 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice! >> >
    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    people have died from electric shocks.

    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.

    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone gets low
    voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.

    Mice and keyboards can wear out faster than that. And I keep PCs going for 10 years. Shoving more memory and an SSD in can work wonders.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips. >> Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    Look up the price of 74HC series. Most are at least 40p each. we buy them in 100s of each type,
    mostly 00, 04, 32, 74, 86 .

    So you had a box of decent hips with bent legs nobody bothered using?

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals. https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm

    The Germans came in with 7 staff, 8 servers, and countless other stuff, we're not going to replace all that just for the sake of plugs. At least they don't use the pansy American voltage which made me blow up a printer (literally).

    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.

    They (used to) make smaller desktops with the PSU outside them. The desktop actually hung on the back of the monitor. Stupid clumsy looking things. And too small to put a normal graphics card in etc.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 20 03:38:51 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.

    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough. Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.

    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.

    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
    I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for.
    No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.
    It says in the instructions not to put your head closer than 2 feet from it.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.

    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?

    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.
    But you're called Whisky Dave. You mean you've abandoned the drink? WTF?

    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.

    There must have been a reason for that name.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,

    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.

    Out of 65 million.

    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.

    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jul 20 17:43:42 2022
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:44 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it,
    Aha, so you do replace wires.

    Cables not the individual live/earth/neutral wires.
    That's what I meant, but if you change the cable, you need to change the plug if it's moulded crap.

    Never had a problem with a moulded plug.

    But the PSUs on the irons up up on a shelf only the iron lead is at desk level.
    we have about 30 of these, ordered another 3 last week. https://onecall.farnell.com/antex/690d/soldering-station-digital/dp/SD01910?ost=690d-digital-soldering-station&cfm=true
    Expensive bullshit. I've got a digitally controlled soldering iron, 80W, tiny thing the size of an 18W iron. Control is on the side. Heats up in seconds. Only cost about £15.

    They're cheap for a reason bet they don't perform as well.

    all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years.
    All irons have stands and we train them to use them.
    Yeah but the wire always gets in the way when you're using it.

    Ours don't
    They must be magic wires.

    Not just better designed I guess.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him.
    If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc... >> Seriously it doesn't take long. Do it on overtime and get more beer money.

    We don't get overtime and if we do we get time off inlue so no point.
    So checking just my lab would take about 3 weeks. working 7 hours a day.
    No overtime? Arseholes. For 2 years I did about 30 hours overtime a week. Earned a bloody fortune. The place was being extended and renovated, so I kept volunteering for things nobody wanted or knew how to do. If I got bored I gave some cash to the
    kids and they helped out. Oops, no, that's illegal, they're not allowed to employ underage kids, they must have done it as a favour or work experience or something :-)

    Problem with overtime is that you could in theory sit about doing nothing and claim you haven't enough time so volunteer for overtime. Some go in saturdays for special events and you get 1.2x or 1.5x if it's after 6pm , and they give you extra holidays
    day(s) as 'payment'.

    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.
    Yes earth is well known to be dangerous, zero volts can be fatal.
    Well any lead that isn't double insulated is an instant fail according to PAT testing.
    Its the visual checks we do without needing the actual tester unit.
    They didn't realise they were 24V irons they thought they were mains I suppose.
    Of you've done testing you should know that is a fail if it ws a mains lead.
    Not if it was the earth or neutral, why would I fail that? If it was the live I put a bit of tape round it.

    It's part of the IEE 17th edition electrical book thingy, legally that has to be followed.
    It's part of the PAT testing procedure.


    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Any fool can stick a sticker on, but they still need writing or printing out with the date (s) added.
    Doesn't take long, using cut and paste.
    But you need top record more than that in the speed sheet, have to add the serial No. of the device and other details.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it up.
    It worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Not in a teaching environment.
    this was a teaching environment.
    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.
    The law never gets involved with things like that.

    It does if I get killed at work next of kin get £100k it's in our contract of employment.
    The chance of that are minimal.

    So is getting hit buy lightning but it happens .

    Wanna remove all the from pan;es from under the desks to get to the plugs and scokets , and you won't get paid for doing these you have to do them in your spare time.
    Plus your name will go on as the resposible person if something goes wrong you'll need to prove it.
    Never happens.
    One tech. said they'd only do equipment they or their students make , provided the dept buy the tester. Well that was before covid .
    Not heard anything since then.
    Seriously, you actually bother testing home made stuff?

    yes and student made stuff.
    Why?! Do you have severe OCD?

    I don't the lawyers do.
    Never happens.

    Never heard of compensation then , via duty of care .
    Very rare, nothing to worry about.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jul 20 17:25:52 2022
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone gets low
    voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    In the UK, the declared low voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts. However, throughout Europe the range is 230 volts -10%, +10%

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.
    Mice and keyboards can wear out faster than that. And I keep PCs going for 10 years. Shoving more memory and an SSD in can work wonders.

    doesn't improve the processor or graphics card we put SSDs in ours .
    When using programs that need high end graphics and processors it becomes a problem.
    None of our lab PCS can run the 3D scanner we just bought , so we have one PC that it;s used on.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.
    Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    Look up the price of 74HC series. Most are at least 40p each. we buy them in 100s of each type,
    mostly 00, 04, 32, 74, 86 .
    So you had a box of decent hips with bent legs nobody bothered using?

    well about 30% of them didn't work, when tested.

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals. https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm
    The Germans came in with 7 staff, 8 servers, and countless other stuff, we're not going to replace all that just for the sake of plugs. At least they don't use the pansy American voltage which made me blow up a printer (literally).

    Why did they need to bring in 7 staff why didn't you do it ?

    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.
    They (used to) make smaller desktops with the PSU outside them. The desktop actually hung on the back of the monitor. Stupid clumsy looking things. And too small to put a normal graphics card in etc.

    Yes but with modern chips they don't need as much power for most computing.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jul 20 18:18:22 2022
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases. >> >> >> >> >> I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for. >> >> No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.
    It says in the instructions not to put your head closer than 2 feet from it.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.
    But you're called Whisky Dave. You mean you've abandoned the drink? WTF?

    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.
    For years I went to the club with 1/2 bottle of whisky in one pocket and my cocktail in another pocket. (1988-2000)
    People always offered drinks to each other most had wine or beers and we used to swap swigs.
    My flatmate called me cocktail dave as was mixing a cocktail for the night before I left for the club and used to ask her to try it.
    Most of my friends called me Dr. Dave (or just dave outside of clubs) as I used to fix their computers and help them with computer stuff back in the early 90s, I used Norton disc doctor for macs to repair disc problems .
    A few from those days still call me dr. Dave, those that don;t go to clubs.



    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.

    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jul 21 03:00:26 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.

    And some have not.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .

    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone gets low
    voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.

    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter. Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.

    In the UK, the declared low voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts.

    They refused to fix my confirmed 256V as it would make the other end of the street under 216.2. Short of adding another transformer or thickening the cables, nothing they could do.

    However, throughout Europe the range is 230 volts -10%, +10%

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.
    Mice and keyboards can wear out faster than that. And I keep PCs going for 10 years. Shoving more memory and an SSD in can work wonders.

    doesn't improve the processor or graphics card we put SSDs in ours .

    A graphics card is the easiest thing to replace.

    When using programs that need high end graphics and processors it becomes a problem.
    None of our lab PCS can run the 3D scanner we just bought , so we have one PC that it;s used on.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.
    Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    Look up the price of 74HC series. Most are at least 40p each. we buy them in 100s of each type,
    mostly 00, 04, 32, 74, 86 .
    So you had a box of decent hips with bent legs

    ROFL! That typo is funny.

    nobody bothered using?

    well about 30% of them didn't work, when tested.

    Ah, she had more time on her hands than others?

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals.
    https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm
    The Germans came in with 7 staff, 8 servers, and countless other stuff, we're not going to replace all that just for the sake of plugs. At least they don't use the pansy American voltage which made me blow up a printer (literally).

    Why did they need to bring in 7 staff why didn't you do it ?

    It was a group of researchers from Germany, they were already together. And they weren't just techs they were scientists with tech capabilities.

    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.
    They (used to) make smaller desktops with the PSU outside them. The desktop actually hung on the back of the monitor. Stupid clumsy looking things. And too small to put a normal graphics card in etc.

    Yes but with modern chips they don't need as much power for most computing.

    Never seems to happen. Power consumption keeps on going up.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Thu Jul 21 22:20:26 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:43:42 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:44 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Well the FGs, PSUs, scopes and anything else we buy from our supplies does.
    I've not put a plug on a lead for over 6 years now, not even at home.
    I put one on my hair trimmer the other day, a parrot had got hold of it and chewed the wire, which I replaced. Moulded plugs are stupid, you can't move them to another wire.

    Never really needed to do that.
    Nobody has ever melted a wire with a soldering iron?
    Not recently and if they do we replace it,
    Aha, so you do replace wires.

    Cables not the individual live/earth/neutral wires.
    That's what I meant, but if you change the cable, you need to change the plug if it's moulded crap.

    Never had a problem with a moulded plug.

    If the cable is fucked, how do you get the new cable into the moulded plug? Have you never damaged a lawnmower or vacuum cleaner or kettle cable?

    But the PSUs on the irons up up on a shelf only the iron lead is at desk level.
    we have about 30 of these, ordered another 3 last week.
    https://onecall.farnell.com/antex/690d/soldering-station-digital/dp/SD01910?ost=690d-digital-soldering-station&cfm=true
    Expensive bullshit. I've got a digitally controlled soldering iron, 80W, tiny thing the size of an 18W iron. Control is on the side. Heats up in seconds. Only cost about £15.

    They're cheap for a reason bet they don't perform as well.

    It works great. It uses 80W and heats from cold in seconds. The temperature is maintained precisely.

    all our irons have silicon leads so don;t melt easily, not had one for years.
    All irons have stands and we train them to use them.
    Yeah but the wire always gets in the way when you're using it.

    Ours don't
    They must be magic wires.

    Not just better designed I guess.

    You cannot design a wire to stay out of the way.

    I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
    So don't tell them you did it.

    What about the pass/fail stickers the sig on the lable and the date of next test ?
    Eh? They come round every x years, if something doesn't have a label they test it, what's the problem?

    Cost £7k last time they came to check our department.
    They only found about 6 they failed mostly in admin offices.
    Wow, just do it yourself.

    We did have someone that did that but he left and they didn't replace him.
    If they want it done they'll have to replace him .
    There's no way I'm checking nearly 5000 items, all get recorded etc... >> >> Seriously it doesn't take long. Do it on overtime and get more beer money.

    We don't get overtime and if we do we get time off inlue so no point.
    So checking just my lab would take about 3 weeks. working 7 hours a day. >> No overtime? Arseholes. For 2 years I did about 30 hours overtime a week. Earned a bloody fortune. The place was being extended and renovated, so I kept volunteering for things nobody wanted or knew how to do. If I got bored I gave some cash to the
    kids and they helped out. Oops, no, that's illegal, they're not allowed to employ underage kids, they must have done it as a favour or work experience or something :-)

    Problem with overtime is that you could in theory sit about doing nothing and claim you haven't enough time so volunteer for overtime. Some go in saturdays for special events and you get 1.2x or 1.5x if it's after 6pm , and they give you extra holidays
    day(s) as 'payment'.

    People would tend to notice you sitting about doing nothing. And that problem isn't limited to overtime. Stopping overtime just means the work isn't done because you "don't have enough time". Another way to get overtime is to volunteer for jobs that
    cannot be done when there are people in the way.

    Some twat did our place once. Failed a PSU I had which had bare wires, at FIVE VOLTS! I just pulled the red sticker off and kept using it.

    We had that they failed 3 of the 24V irons because they said they were were showing the earth lead that had been exposed.
    Yes earth is well known to be dangerous, zero volts can be fatal.
    Well any lead that isn't double insulated is an instant fail according to PAT testing.
    Its the visual checks we do without needing the actual tester unit.
    They didn't realise they were 24V irons they thought they were mains I suppose.
    Of you've done testing you should know that is a fail if it ws a mains lead.
    Not if it was the earth or neutral, why would I fail that? If it was the live I put a bit of tape round it.

    It's part of the IEE 17th edition electrical book thingy, legally that has to be followed.
    It's part of the PAT testing procedure.

    It's utter bullshit. How does zero volts harm you?

    but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests
    Fuck that, I did that PAT testing myself. £80 for a PAT test machine. Takes you a couple of minutes to do it, less if you just put the sticker on it and assume it's fine.

    Any fool can stick a sticker on, but they still need writing or printing out with the date (s) added.
    Doesn't take long, using cut and paste.
    But you need top record more than that in the speed sheet, have to add the serial No. of the device and other details.

    Doesn't take long to write in a serial number. I could probably test things properly one every 2 minutes. 1 minute if I cheated.

    Wanna come and do my lab with over 4500 and that's just what's on my oldish stock list.
    I'll do it for a lot less than them.

    They do it out of hours so start about 6pm.
    We use them because they takes responsibility and have insurance so no-one in the college does should something go wrong.
    Fuck responsibility, just make it work. A colleague used an overhead projector (before digital, the acetate ones) where the bulb kept blowing for some unknown reason. He attached a big resistor inline with the power cord without even taping it
    up. It worked fine. If anyone was stupid enough to touch bare ires that's heir problem.

    Not in a teaching environment.
    this was a teaching environment.
    Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.
    The law never gets involved with things like that.

    It does if I get killed at work next of kin get £100k it's in our contract of employment.
    The chance of that are minimal.

    So is getting hit buy lightning but it happens .

    But people don't concern themselves with it. We also don't all have nuclear bunkers.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 22 03:08:47 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.

    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place. Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.

    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat. I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have
    flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
    I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
    Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases. >> >> >> >> >> >> I got a few old meters dating back to 1930 form Ebay, for as little as £15. One is electrostatic.

    I did take a standard vairac and something else that I don;t know exacly what it is I just like the look of of.
    Think it test HV transformers , somewhere in my loft now along with a couple of AVOs.

    3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
    Have you ever watched the Youtube channel from photonic induction? He loves to play with stuff like that.
    Not recently did a few years back.
    He's back, and has made more videos. Or for more serious things, Big Clive.

    Yes I've watch big clive taking apart some of the dodgy chinese stuff from ebay.
    I like dodgy Chinese stuff, cheap and simple. Like the shower head with a live heating coil in it. I'm not a girl, I'm not scared of dangerous stuff.

    OK when you know it's dangerous that's what warning labels are for. >> >> >> No that's what common sense is for.

    Common sense would mean you should be able to adjust the shower head without risking electrocution.
    It says in the instructions not to put your head closer than 2 feet from it.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.

    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was only
    enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.

    They tend to do parachute jumps over flat areas, not heavy traffic on motorways.

    well not until I win the lottery, well I did a could of weeks ago but as usually I spent the lot on a can
    in the club £5.50 !
    FFS, my home brew is a lot cheaper.

    Local pub is £4.35 for a nice pint of adnams .
    Far too expensive. For £20 I can make 50 litres of 23% alcohol.

    Well if it tastes OK but I;ve tried others home brew even the local pub and that's quite rough hardly worth drinking.
    I just brew ethanol. I add the flavouring afterwards. You can brew it by feeding it apples, whatever, I just feed it sugar. And you don't need expensive brewing sugar either. Tate and Lyle from Tesco works fine.

    Can't be bothered , I don;t really drink much now anyway I also perfer to decide what I feel like drinking
    sometimes ale sometimes lager sometimes I just have a few spirits.
    But you're called Whisky Dave. You mean you've abandoned the drink? WTF? >> >
    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.

    ROTFPMSL!

    So you're not the drunk I thought you were?

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.

    Very few.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK

    Yip, I was close.

    and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.

    Kids get tickets.

    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.

    No I can't stand clubs, I prefer going out out, to scenery. Ever had sex in a waterfall?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 22 06:12:55 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 02:49:54 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:33:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 03:38:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:15:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 21:21:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:59:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff.
    There's a van round here with a megaphone that shouts "any old scrap metal?" He doesn't even have a recording, as he changes what he says if he spots someone. He took a chest freezer off me.

    Ours disapeared years ago he kept getting tiuckets for his unsafe lorry loads , he seemd to over load it and broke down many times in the main road.
    Maybe the police got his licence revoked or something, he sort of disapeard one day couldnt; contact him or anything.
    The pigs aren't so mean around here. They do have an obsession with seatbelts though.

    well he used to block part of Mile End road which is normally very busy .
    Block?

    Yes one lane couldn't be used until it was towed away.
    Ours just drives about, he doesn't park.

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed. >> No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.


    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.

    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.




    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was only
    enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.

    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain. >> >> >> >> > Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.
    They tend to do parachute jumps over flat areas, not heavy traffic on motorways.

    Isn't that a bit health and softly surely if you land in front of a lorry doing 60 it's you fault
    for not steering the chut properly.


    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.
    ROTFPMSL!

    So you're not the drunk I thought you were?

    thought is a dangeous thing .
    One thing I always stae to peoloe that try to get me into a drinking compition is that
    I regard drinking as an art NOT a sport I don't do sport.
    An amateur piss artist perhaps.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets. >> >> >> > Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.
    Very few.

    I'm less than a few people https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html



    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket

    and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.
    Kids get tickets.
    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.
    No I can't stand clubs, I prefer going out out, to scenery. Ever had sex in a waterfall?

    No, I'd hate to have to lay in the wet patch ;-)

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jul 22 05:39:20 2022
    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump. >> >
    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.


    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone gets
    low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.


    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.

    you can't tell whther something is spot on without a good sample rate.
    Which is also the trouble with cheap meters that only sample the sine wave perhaps once every 1/3rd of a second.
    Sample rate theory states that sampling rate should be 3 x the frequency of the wave you're measuring.


    In the UK, the declared low voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts.
    They refused to fix my confirmed 256V as it would make the other end of the street under 216.2. Short of adding another transformer or thickening the cables, nothing they could do.

    you mean nothing they wanted to do, mostly due to costs.

    However, throughout Europe the range is 230 volts -10%, +10%

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.
    Mice and keyboards can wear out faster than that. And I keep PCs going for 10 years. Shoving more memory and an SSD in can work wonders.

    doesn't improve the processor or graphics card we put SSDs in ours .
    A graphics card is the easiest thing to replace.

    I don't think they can in our dell PC's and even then it;s not really worth it a couple of then have had screens die
    the optiplex-7460-all-in-one

    by the time your replace the graphics card, memerey and drive it;s cheaper to get a new PC.
    Especailly as they are on a contract term of 4 years or so.


    When using programs that need high end graphics and processors it becomes a problem.
    None of our lab PCS can run the 3D scanner we just bought , so we have one PC that it;s used on.

    and a Euro plug too, which we recyle .
    I wasn't aware you can recycle plugs.

    Not sure what happens they get put into a electrical equipment recycle bin or cage and collected .
    Copper and other metals extraction would be the main thing I think. I guess there's a fair bit in the plug prongs. It amazes me it's worth recycling a circuit board.

    yep.

    But we did have awork experience girl in the other week and she checked through out box of old 74 series chips
    unbent the legs etc.. and found about £300 quids worth of working chips.
    Those were invented in 1966, WTF was worth that much?

    Look up the price of 74HC series. Most are at least 40p each. we buy them in 100s of each type,
    mostly 00, 04, 32, 74, 86 .
    So you had a box of decent hips with bent legs
    ROFL! That typo is funny.

    Yeah I missed that first time :-)

    nobody bothered using?

    well about 30% of them didn't work, when tested.
    Ah, she had more time on her hands than others?

    'others' a 6th form school girl on worked experience for about 3 days, took her most of the afternoon, but she learnt how to use the chip tester
    and what gates are in chips

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with Euro
    sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals.
    https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm
    The Germans came in with 7 staff, 8 servers, and countless other stuff, we're not going to replace all that just for the sake of plugs. At least they don't use the pansy American voltage which made me blow up a printer (literally).

    Why did they need to bring in 7 staff why didn't you do it ?
    It was a group of researchers from Germany, they were already together. And they weren't just techs they were scientists with tech capabilities.
    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.
    They (used to) make smaller desktops with the PSU outside them. The desktop actually hung on the back of the monitor. Stupid clumsy looking things. And too small to put a normal graphics card in etc.

    Yes but with modern chips they don't need as much power for most computing.
    Never seems to happen. Power consumption keeps on going up.

    Mostly down for same computing power, otherwse we wouldn't have laptops.
    We don;t have many PC towers now hardly worth it just get an all in one like a laptop.
    even a phone has more computing power of a 486 with HD and 256 colour monitor.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 07:54:31 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    regarding qhat we teach just got this email. in our dept.

    Congratulations to xxxxxxx for passing his PhD viva with a dissertation in which he revisited traditional assumptions about polysemy at the light of recent developments in cognitive science and the development of context-sensitive language models:
    Word Sense Distance and Similarity Patterns in Regular Polysemy.

    simple innnit

    but dont; ask me I haven't a clue what this has to do with computer science or electronic engineering


    Hopefully the next one Phd pass will make more sense

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Jul 22 22:31:53 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump. >> >> >
    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.

    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal

    We are to electric shock.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone gets
    low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with. >> Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.

    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.

    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 22:32:04 2022
    you can't tell whther something is spot on without a good sample rate.
    Which is also the trouble with cheap meters that only sample the sine wave perhaps once every 1/3rd of a second.
    Sample rate theory states that sampling rate should be 3 x the frequency of the wave you're measuring.

    Why do they have to sample it? Why not just connect it to a capacitor and diode to charge it up and measure it? I bet they do, because often you have to wait a few seconds for the reading to stabilise.

    In the UK, the declared low voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts.
    They refused to fix my confirmed 256V as it would make the other end of the street under 216.2. Short of adding another transformer or thickening the cables, nothing they could do.

    you mean nothing they wanted to do, mostly due to costs.

    It was not possible without digging up the whole street to lay more wires, or adding another substation. Ridiculous since I was probably the only one that noticed. Technically I could have taken them to court but why bother? My friend did once get his
    TV and a few other things paid for by the power company when a massive surge blew them up.

    However, throughout Europe the range is 230 volts -10%, +10%

    but mice are a fiver hardly worth the time,
    we have a box of old mice and keyboards.
    A switch costs less. Takes 2 minutes to open the mouse and solder a switch in. Very quick if you're doing a load at once.

    Our computers tend to come with mice and keyboards , the PC's get replaced about every 4 years.
    Mice and keyboards can wear out faster than that. And I keep PCs going for 10 years. Shoving more memory and an SSD in can work wonders.

    doesn't improve the processor or graphics card we put SSDs in ours .
    A graphics card is the easiest thing to replace.

    I don't think they can in our dell PC's

    Yip, Dell redesign everything so it's a mess and difficult to put in standard parts. I avoid them like the plague.

    and even then it;s not really worth it a couple of then have had screens die the optiplex-7460-all-in-one

    A monitor should be a seperate device which you replace seperately.

    by the time your replace the graphics card, memerey and drive it;s cheaper to get a new PC.

    No, it's often one that's a far bigger bottleneck than the others. I made computers boot 5 times faster by doubling the RAM.

    Especailly as they are on a contract term of 4 years or so.

    WTF does that mean?

    We had German students who brought a load of kit with euro plugs. I asked if they needed adapters but they said if you stick a screwdriver in the earth hole you can get a euro plug to fit in a UK socket.

    Our £144k euro kit came with IEC brick PSUs .
    What?

    A kit of bits to teach power electronics at the desktop level 15 kits in total they are powered from a 12V PSU a bit like the ones you get with laptops, the have IEC sockets on them.
    Yeah most stuff was IEC at my uni, but the Germans came in with loads of equipment, and their IEC leads had Euro plugs. Sometimes they'd come and swap them for some UK ones I had a huge box of, sometimes I'd give them an extension strip with
    Euro sockets, sometimes they'd just use a screwdriver.

    we bought the UK versions with UK instruction manuals.
    https://www.lucas-nuelle.com/316/apg/15828/UniTrain-System.htm
    The Germans came in with 7 staff, 8 servers, and countless other stuff, we're not going to replace all that just for the sake of plugs. At least they don't use the pansy American voltage which made me blow up a printer (literally).

    Why did they need to bring in 7 staff why didn't you do it ?
    It was a group of researchers from Germany, they were already together. And they weren't just techs they were scientists with tech capabilities.
    We got Dell computers once with bricks, for a desktop! They were huge, with a very thick 12V cable to the computer. Trust Dell to do something differently for no reason.

    All our Dells have IEC sockets on the back.
    They (used to) make smaller desktops with the PSU outside them. The desktop actually hung on the back of the monitor. Stupid clumsy looking things. And too small to put a normal graphics card in etc.

    Yes but with modern chips they don't need as much power for most computing.
    Never seems to happen. Power consumption keeps on going up.

    Mostly down for same computing power, otherwse we wouldn't have laptops.
    We don;t have many PC towers now hardly worth it just get an all in one like a laptop.
    even a phone has more computing power of a 486 with HD and 256 colour monitor.

    Depends how much power you want. Laptops are nowhere near as good as desktops for games and CAD work. Also, I and many others detest their tiny size. A lot of the professors at the uni had laptops so they could take them home and continue working, but
    they had a monitor, keyboard, mouse at each end so they could use it like a desktop.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 23 00:08:11 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed. >> >> No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.

    Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.

    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.

    Who cares if he's happy?

    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.

    It's amazing these people reproduce. Why would anyone fuck a fat person?

    M'colleague got a special chair free under some disability law, he openly said "I'm not disabled, I'm fat, the normal chairs break". It's not a disability if you bring it on yourself.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was only
    enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.

    P.E. classes used to be done naked. In the middle of my high school they actually introduced a rule where the teacher couldn't make you be on the skins side of shirts and skins football because you might be too cold. So he just asked for volunteers.
    Of course nobody refused as they'd be seen as a girl.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.

    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's mate was
    working on it.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to However my instructor on Sat Jul 23 00:08:21 2022
    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain. >> >> >> >> >> > Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.
    They tend to do parachute jumps over flat areas, not heavy traffic on motorways.

    Isn't that a bit health and softly surely if you land in front of a lorry doing 60 it's you fault
    for not steering the chut properly.

    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering, so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind
    to chute fabric.

    However my instructor said I was the only person she'd ever seen to jump out of the plane completely fearless. I also landed right next to her in precisely the correct position. The other guys were 100 yards away at least. She was fucking gorgeous and
    got drunk on site every night (they slept their in caravans). Unfortunately one of the other guys in my group was a 17 year old cute boy so he got laid and I didn't. She kept pinching his arse when showing us how to to do the correct jumping position
    in practice.

    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.
    ROTFPMSL!

    So you're not the drunk I thought you were?

    thought is a dangeous thing .
    One thing I always stae to peoloe that try to get me into a drinking compition is that
    I regard drinking as an art NOT a sport I don't do sport.
    An amateur piss artist perhaps.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.
    Very few.

    I'm less than a few people

    But chances are it';ll be one of the other several million.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million?

    Why wait till you're 18? My friends were buying them at 14. And cigarettes. I never saw the point in tobacco, marijuana is much better.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket

    You're an idiot. So one person wind, but millions throw away money.

    and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.
    Kids get tickets.
    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.
    No I can't stand clubs, I prefer going out out, to scenery. Ever had sex in a waterfall?

    No, I'd hate to have to lay in the wet patch ;-)

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Jul 23 01:17:46 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 15:54:31 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    regarding qhat we teach just got this email. in our dept.

    Congratulations to xxxxxxx for passing his PhD viva with a dissertation in which he revisited traditional assumptions about polysemy at the light of recent developments in cognitive science and the development of context-sensitive language models:
    Word Sense Distance and Similarity Patterns in Regular Polysemy.

    simple innnit

    but dont; ask me I haven't a clue what this has to do with computer science or electronic engineering


    Hopefully the next one Phd pass will make more sense

    Something to do with computers understanding English better?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 25 05:44:58 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.
    Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.
    Who cares if he's happy?
    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.
    It's amazing these people reproduce. Why would anyone fuck a fat person?

    Maybe they aren't weak like skinny people and there's more to fuck, I guess you've fucked a skeleton or two.


    M'colleague got a special chair free under some disability law, he openly said "I'm not disabled, I'm fat, the normal chairs break". It's not a disability if you bring it on yourself.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was only
    enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.
    P.E. classes used to be done naked. In the middle of my high school they actually introduced a rule where the teacher couldn't make you be on the skins side of shirts and skins football because you might be too cold. So he just asked for volunteers. Of
    course nobody refused as they'd be seen as a girl.

    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's mate was
    working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 25 05:27:17 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 03:55:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:08:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 19:34:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 03:03:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 23:14:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:39:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
    we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
    (most DMM probes come in red and black)
    https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
    £5.63 and free P&P
    if we order today they'll be here on Monday
    Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

    Mains plugs who buys them
    Me. Things have to be plugged in.

    Everything we buy comes with a moulded IEC plug,
    Until it breaks, or you want to make your own stuff or modify something.

    We don't need to do that, I have over 200 IEC leads spare one breaks just replace it.
    Wow. A throw away society. I used to replace the microswitches in mice!

    Mice don;t work at 230V , so there's no risk there,
    230V isn't a risk. I've had 6 shocks from it, it just makes you jump.

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.


    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone
    gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter caost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 25 06:09:41 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:28 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.
    They tend to do parachute jumps over flat areas, not heavy traffic on motorways.

    Isn't that a bit health and softly surely if you land in front of a lorry doing 60 it's you fault
    for not steering the chut properly.
    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.

    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?


    However my instructor said I was the only person she'd ever seen to jump out of the plane completely fearless. I also landed right next to her in precisely the correct position. The other guys were 100 yards away at least. She was fucking gorgeous and
    got drunk on site every night (they slept their in caravans). Unfortunately one of the other guys in my group was a 17 year old cute boy so he got laid and I didn't. She kept pinching his arse when showing us how to to do the correct jumping position in
    practice.
    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.
    ROTFPMSL!

    So you're not the drunk I thought you were?

    thought is a dangeous thing .
    One thing I always stae to peoloe that try to get me into a drinking compition is that
    I regard drinking as an art NOT a sport I don't do sport.
    An amateur piss artist perhaps.
    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel, I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse


    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets.
    Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.
    Very few.

    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.


    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that'sproof that time travel can't be done.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million?

    a 1000$, thousand (par semani $)

    It's foreign


    Why wait till you're 18? My friends were buying them at 14. And cigarettes. I never saw the point in tobacco, marijuana is much better.
    Maybe because you need someone to buy them for you I won a £5 on the horses when I was about £ my gran put 50p on the4 national lottery for me.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket
    You're an idiot. So one person wind, but millions throw away money.

    Millions piss money up the wall every week.
    Millions subscribe to netflix, disney, + otheres. to watch more crap TV , millions vote for strictly
    Millions pay a fortune to go to a football match and watch their team win lose or draw
    when they could be watching it on TV.


    and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.
    Kids get tickets.
    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.
    No I can't stand clubs, I prefer going out out, to scenery. Ever had sex in a waterfall?

    No, I'd hate to have to lay in the wet patch ;-)
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jul 25 06:29:28 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 01:17:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 15:54:31 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    regarding qhat we teach just got this email. in our dept.

    Congratulations to xxxxxxx for passing his PhD viva with a dissertation in which he revisited traditional assumptions about polysemy at the light of recent developments in cognitive science and the development of context-sensitive language models:
    Word Sense Distance and Similarity Patterns in Regular Polysemy.

    simple innnit

    but dont; ask me I haven't a clue what this has to do with computer science or electronic engineering


    Hopefully the next one Phd pass will make more sense
    Something to do with computers understanding English better?

    Yes mosty likely, but not the area I work it which is mostly teaching hardware to undergrads.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 25 21:05:24 2022
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:27:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.

    No, the most intelligent have less offspring. If you look at less intelligent people (eg. a council estate), people match up by fitness and good looks.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.

    Just look up some stats somewhere. I've had 240V through me many times, it just made me jump. My father (78) got one and said it was annoying. MY neighbour tradesman has had quite a few and the only one that harmed him was when he leapt off a ladder
    nad sprained his back.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone
    gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter cost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.

    I've never bought one under about a tenner because I wanted more ranges or something. The cheapest I have is "Digitek" (no model on it) from China. No current, only volts and ohms and continuity.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.

    It's as accurate as the display. 0-600A at 0.1A intervals.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Jul 25 22:41:01 2022
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:44:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.
    Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard

    The French pissing around with passport control again?

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.
    Who cares if he's happy?
    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.
    It's amazing these people reproduce. Why would anyone fuck a fat person?

    Maybe they aren't weak like skinny people and there's more to fuck, I guess you've fucked a skeleton or two.

    How do you find the hole when it's surrounded by flab? Billy Connelly on how fat people have sex: https://youtu.be/LHWims1hO_w?t=62

    M'colleague got a special chair free under some disability law, he openly said "I'm not disabled, I'm fat, the normal chairs break". It's not a disability if you bring it on yourself.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.

    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Well fat people shouldn't have kids, what do they think they're going to produce?

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was only
    enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.
    P.E. classes used to be done naked. In the middle of my high school they actually introduced a rule where the teacher couldn't make you be on the skins side of shirts and skins football because you might be too cold. So he just asked for volunteers.
    Of course nobody refused as they'd be seen as a girl.

    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.

    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's mate was
    working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.

    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead of them.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 26 05:42:20 2022
    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 22:41:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:44:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider. >> Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim. >> > They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard
    The French pissing around with passport control again?

    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.
    Who cares if he's happy?
    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.
    It's amazing these people reproduce. Why would anyone fuck a fat person?

    Maybe they aren't weak like skinny people and there's more to fuck, I guess you've fucked a skeleton or two.
    How do you find the hole when it's surrounded by flab?

    Lots seem to manage

    Billy Connelly on how fat people have sex: https://youtu.be/LHWims1hO_w?t=62

    Is he weak or strong difficult to tell.

    M'colleague got a special chair free under some disability law, he openly said "I'm not disabled, I'm fat, the normal chairs break". It's not a disability if you bring it on yourself.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)


    Well fat people shouldn't have kids, what do they think they're going to produce?

    Fat people seem to do well in wieght lifting and sumo wrestling.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was
    only enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.
    P.E. classes used to be done naked. In the middle of my high school they actually introduced a rule where the teacher couldn't make you be on the skins side of shirts and skins football because you might be too cold. So he just asked for volunteers.
    Of course nobody refused as they'd be seen as a girl.

    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's mate
    was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead of them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jul 26 05:31:18 2022
    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 21:05:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:27:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.
    No, the most intelligent have less offspring. If you look at less intelligent people (eg. a council estate), people match up by fitness and good looks.

    I agree but you were talking of the weakest not inteligence there isn't much of a link between inteligence and weakness.
    People usually match up by simmilarities goven a preference

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.
    Just look up some stats somewhere. I've had 240V through me many times, it just made me jump.

    You don;t know what went through you it's the current that kills, voltage doesn't travel through you.
    It's also varing every cycle from 0 to 340V.

    My father (78) got one and said it was annoying. MY neighbour tradesman has had quite a few and the only one that harmed him was when he leapt off a ladder nad sprained his back.

    Some people survived through WWI & WWII .
    Some die as kids die as a result of guns in fact more children die in the USA via guns than even car accidents.
    I've never been injured in a car accident.

    I've never had a sporting injury .
    Only week people get injuried .

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone
    gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter cost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.
    I've never bought one under about a tenner because I wanted more ranges or something. The cheapest I have is "Digitek" (no model on it) from China. No current, only volts and ohms and continuity.

    We splashed out more than I thought as we wanted contininty too https://onecall.farnell.com/duratool/d03047/multimeter-digital/dp/3498310?st=d03047
    think we got a better price under £2.75



    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.
    It's as accurate as the display. 0-600A at 0.1A intervals.

    so +- 100mA well our True RMS are 0.5mA at 0.7% with 5 digits resolution
    and we aren't limited to 50Hz sine I think it goes to 4KHz.


    We had a research student that wanted a resoluition of 1pA had to send him away to find one
    himself.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Jul 26 20:25:38 2022
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:28 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Yes that was the old way of testing gold now they use fancy spectral analyses and can tell exactly what something is made from.
    You mean you aren't meant to bite it?

    Can do but it's not a good test especially with silver .
    Or if you have gold fillings.
    I've been in a plane three times. Once was a Boeing 737 to Wales to buy a car off my girlfriend's husband, the other two were Cessnas I jumped out of.

    I've been in a Cessna think that what it was on a 10min joy ride around yarmouth.
    been on a couple of commercial flights sweden, greece & spain.
    Never jumped out of any though,
    It's a lot more fun than you'd think, you can steer it.

    I'll stick with simulators :-)
    Oh come on. I've done it twice. My friend broke her ankle one time, and I got my lines tangled up one time. No big deal.
    Unless you crash .
    She did, into a rock in the middle of a field. AFTER landing. The chute took off again due to her clumsiness and she went flying backwards. It was funny for me to watch from above.

    So who paid for the damage ?
    What damage? She busted a few cabbages in the field, we didn't tell the farmer.

    Guess yuo were lucky to have a field to land in.
    They tend to do parachute jumps over flat areas, not heavy traffic on motorways.

    Isn't that a bit health and softly surely if you land in front of a lorry doing 60 it's you fault
    for not steering the chut properly.
    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.

    Agreed.

    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?

    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    However my instructor said I was the only person she'd ever seen to jump out of the plane completely fearless. I also landed right next to her in precisely the correct position. The other guys were 100 yards away at least. She was fucking gorgeous and
    got drunk on site every night (they slept their in caravans). Unfortunately one of the other guys in my group was a 17 year old cute boy so he got laid and I didn't. She kept pinching his arse when showing us how to to do the correct jumping position in
    practice.
    Well it was the way people ID'd me in the club a nickname but when they got a bar friends said hi whisky dave I said yeah cheers but no ice thanks. They sort of stopped using that name in pubs and clubs and reverted to just dave.
    There must have been a reason for that name.

    Yes, I was in a club and my flatmates friends who was a stripper came and sat on my lap chatting to me
    she said she knew loads of daves there's smelly dave, DJ dave, arsehole dave and she mentioned a few other daves,
    I just took a swig from my bottle of whisky and she said I'll call you whisky dave and that sort of stuck as her friends started calling me whisky dave, and I used that when I started my on-line club blog around 1996.
    ROTFPMSL!

    So you're not the drunk I thought you were?

    thought is a dangeous thing .
    One thing I always stae to peoloe that try to get me into a drinking compition is that
    I regard drinking as an art NOT a sport I don't do sport.
    An amateur piss artist perhaps.
    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,

    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse

    Can you still see?

    almost double my euro millions £2.40 win.
    You can actually win as little as £2.40?

    Yeah won £30 a couple of times over the years.
    And how much did you spend on tickets to achieve that?

    No idea but IO don;t buy coffees from shops as some do everyday on their way to work,
    so I guess I spend up to about £50 a month via online tickets. >> >> >> >> >> > Depends how I feel and how much I've spent, so don;t really miss the money.
    What a waste.

    I won £65 on the 17th july, my highest ever :-)
    Be nice to win a few million then I can buy my own brewery
    The chances of that are 1 in a few million. So er.... buy a few million tickets and oh wait.

    People have won large amounts I don;t expect to but then again I don;t expect to be hit by lightning either,
    Exactly, no point in trying to do what will never happen.

    It happens to some.
    Very few.

    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.

    Obviously most people lose money, since there's the profits of the company and the "charities" they donate to.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet. Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million?

    a 1000$, thousand (par semani $)

    It's foreign

    So did she win a million US dollars or a million of her own worthless currency?

    Why wait till you're 18? My friends were buying them at 14. And cigarettes. I never saw the point in tobacco, marijuana is much better.
    Maybe because you need someone to buy them for you I won a £5 on the horses when I was about £ my gran put 50p on the4 national lottery for me.

    When I was 13, my friend smoked heavily (also 13). We walked to the local shop before school and he just walked in and bought them, no questions asked.

    When I was 18 I bought tonnes of alcohol for my friend (16)'s little brother (14). He got pissed, made a council house girl pregnant, then left the country.

    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket
    You're an idiot. So one person wind, but millions throw away money.

    Millions piss money up the wall every week.
    Millions subscribe to netflix, disney, + otheres. to watch more crap TV , millions vote for strictly
    Millions pay a fortune to go to a football match and watch their team win lose or draw
    when they could be watching it on TV.

    And you've just joined them.

    As for the TV, piratebay is free.

    and loads of them are kids not old enough to buy tickets, and like you not everyone buys tickets.
    Kids get tickets.
    I think there's more chance of me winning a million than you dating Miley Cyrus but nothing wrong with having a fantasy is there.
    I don't buy Miley Cyrus tickets on the off chance she'll fuck me.

    Do you go to the sorts of places she goes, well I go to clubs where I meet girls of my preference(s) , that's where I've met most of my girlfriends, and friends for that matter.
    No I can't stand clubs, I prefer going out out, to scenery. Ever had sex in a waterfall?

    No, I'd hate to have to lay in the wet patch ;-)
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.

    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better. https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .

    What is TG's?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 27 01:31:43 2022
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:31:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 21:05:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:27:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.
    No, the most intelligent have less offspring. If you look at less intelligent people (eg. a council estate), people match up by fitness and good looks.

    I agree but you were talking of the weakest not inteligence there isn't much of a link between inteligence and weakness.
    People usually match up by simmilarities goven a preference

    You said the strongest have less offspring, that is incorrect. Poor people are fitter, rich people are cleverer.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.
    Just look up some stats somewhere. I've had 240V through me many times, it just made me jump.

    You don;t know what went through you it's the current that kills,

    Yeah.... that's why touching my 300 amp car battery kills me more than a 13A socket.

    voltage doesn't travel through you.
    It's also varing every cycle from 0 to 340V.

    Most people don't touch something briefly enough for that to matter.

    My father (78) got one and said it was annoying. MY neighbour tradesman has had quite a few and the only one that harmed him was when he leapt off a ladder nad sprained his back.

    Some people survived through WWI & WWII .

    Only some. But most survive shocks.

    Some die as kids die as a result of guns in fact more children die in the USA via guns than even car accidents.

    I've changed my mind on tat, it would be fun to own a gun.

    I've never been injured in a car accident.

    Neither have I.

    I've never had a sporting injury .

    It annoys me when people call a sprain an injury. An injury is something colliding with you.

    Only week people get injuried .

    What about month people?

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess someone
    gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter cost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.
    I've never bought one under about a tenner because I wanted more ranges or something. The cheapest I have is "Digitek" (no model on it) from China. No current, only volts and ohms and continuity.

    We splashed out more than I thought as we wanted contininty too https://onecall.farnell.com/duratool/d03047/multimeter-digital/dp/3498310?st=d03047
    think we got a better price under £2.75

    That's a fucking good meter. They've probably improved since I bought mine 10 years ago. That one even tests transistors, I had to spend £100 to get one that did that back in the mid 90s. Still got it. Micronta from Tandy, rebadged something, I
    forget what.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.
    It's as accurate as the display. 0-600A at 0.1A intervals.

    so +- 100mA well our True RMS are 0.5mA at 0.7% with 5 digits resolution and we aren't limited to 50Hz sine I think it goes to 4KHz.

    But do they clamp?

    We had a research student that wanted a resoluition of 1pA had to send him away to find one
    himself.

    Give him a gold leaf electroscope.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Jul 27 20:51:37 2022
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:42:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 22:41:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:44:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place.

    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider. >> >> Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim. >> >> > They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard
    The French pissing around with passport control again?

    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)

    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Where I park in the town centre blocks a bus, I find it amusing watching him try not to scratch my car, or more likely his bus.
    and then there's traffic lights .
    You can't get him into trouble for stopping at lights? WTF?

    No but if he can;t get his vehicle moving because it's overloaded then you can.
    Just how much weight would it take to stop a vehicle moving? The tyres would burst before that weight.

    No idea but when I saw it leave it didnt look right one side was much lower than the other and black smoke came out of the exhaust and it made some strange noises.
    Maybe his wife was in the passenger seat.

    No but he did have a large fat 'retarded' teenager that did all the lifting and he handed him some sweets and he was well happy
    I often wondered if he was actually paid or just given treats like a well behaved dog.
    Who cares if he's happy?
    I used to have a colleague who was so fat she was officially classed as disabled. She walked no more than 1mph. Her hefty BMW X5 or whatever their big 4x4 is tipped to one side when she got in. She would have flattened a Fiat Panda.

    I't amazing just how large some people can get.
    It's amazing these people reproduce. Why would anyone fuck a fat person? >> >
    Maybe they aren't weak like skinny people and there's more to fuck, I guess you've fucked a skeleton or two.
    How do you find the hole when it's surrounded by flab?

    Lots seem to manage

    They must have 20 inch cocks to reach.

    Billy Connelly on how fat people have sex: https://youtu.be/LHWims1hO_w?t=62

    Is he weak or strong difficult to tell.

    What?

    M'colleague got a special chair free under some disability law, he openly said "I'm not disabled, I'm fat, the normal chairs break". It's not a disability if you bring it on yourself.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)

    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    Well fat people shouldn't have kids, what do they think they're going to produce?

    Fat people seem to do well in wieght lifting and sumo wrestling.

    Hardly required for the furtherment of mankind.

    So how to you adjust it ? most showers I;ve seen you can adjust the head even remove it so yuo can direct it where you want.
    No, this is a simple five quid thing. You leave it above your head, like the fixed ones you get in changing rooms.

    Do they really have those shit ones in changing rooms.
    Dunno, I haven't been in many changing rooms, I can only remember high school and the rugby club near "race the train" in Wales (an off road running race chasing a steam train) where we got the mud off afterwards. It was so pathetic there was
    only enough water for one shower out of the 10. When they were all turned on, we got a dribble each. People were cupping their hands to collect enough water to do something with.

    Ah those were the days when knights were bold
    and toilet paper wasn;t invented ,
    they;d wipe their arse on blades of grass
    and walk away contented.
    P.E. classes used to be done naked. In the middle of my high school they actually introduced a rule where the teacher couldn't make you be on the skins side of shirts and skins football because you might be too cold. So he just asked for volunteers.
    Of course nobody refused as they'd be seen as a girl.

    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.

    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's mate
    was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead of
    them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.

    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jul 30 17:15:00 2022
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:



    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.
    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(


    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.



    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.
    Obviously most people lose money, since there's the profits of the company and the "charities" they donate to.

    Yes I know but there's always a chance not many other ways of getting a cash windfall.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million?

    a 1000$, thousand (par semani $)

    It's foreign
    So did she win a million US dollars or a million of her own worthless currency?

    I think it;s a reasonable amount even after converting to UK about £600 I think Canadian is similar to US.
    I heard someone won $1.3T in the US recently.

    Why wait till you're 18? My friends were buying them at 14. And cigarettes. I never saw the point in tobacco, marijuana is much better.
    Maybe because you need someone to buy them for you I won a £5 on the horses when I was about £ my gran put 50p on the4 national lottery for me.
    When I was 13, my friend smoked heavily (also 13). We walked to the local shop before school and he just walked in and bought them, no questions asked.

    The problem comes when you have to claim the winnings, just ask an adult to do it should be OK.


    When I was 18 I bought tonnes of alcohol for my friend (16)'s little brother (14). He got pissed, made a council house girl pregnant, then left the country.
    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket
    You're an idiot. So one person wind, but millions throw away money.

    Millions piss money up the wall every week.
    Millions subscribe to netflix, disney, + otheres. to watch more crap TV , millions vote for strictly
    Millions pay a fortune to go to a football match and watch their team win lose or draw
    when they could be watching it on TV.
    And you've just joined them.

    I don;t subscribe to any streaming channels

    As for the TV, piratebay is free.

    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.


    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better. https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.

    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jul 30 17:42:47 2022
    On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 20:51:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:42:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 22:41:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:44:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place. >> >> >
    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.
    Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard
    The French pissing around with passport control again?

    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.


    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.



    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's
    mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead of
    them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jul 30 17:26:06 2022
    On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 01:31:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:31:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 21:05:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:27:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.
    No, the most intelligent have less offspring. If you look at less intelligent people (eg. a council estate), people match up by fitness and good looks.

    I agree but you were talking of the weakest not inteligence there isn't much of a link between inteligence and weakness.
    People usually match up by simmilarities goven a preference
    You said the strongest have less offspring, that is incorrect. Poor people are fitter, rich people are cleverer.

    Depends on teh country poor people in Africa etc have far more children than we do in the UK.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.
    Just look up some stats somewhere. I've had 240V through me many times, it just made me jump.

    You don;t know what went through you it's the current that kills,
    Yeah.... that's why touching my 300 amp car battery kills me more than a 13A socket.

    But that's only at 12V.

    voltage doesn't travel through you.
    It's also varing every cycle from 0 to 340V.
    Most people don't touch something briefly enough for that to matter.

    touching makes your muscles constrict.

    My father (78) got one and said it was annoying. MY neighbour tradesman has had quite a few and the only one that harmed him was when he leapt off a ladder nad sprained his back.

    Some people survived through WWI & WWII .
    Only some. But most survive shocks.

    Most but not all.

    Some die as kids die as a result of guns in fact more children die in the USA via guns than even car accidents.
    I've changed my mind on tat, it would be fun to own a gun.
    It could be, nothing wrong with guns it;s just the type of person holding it is where the problem lies.

    I've never been injured in a car accident.
    Neither have I.
    I've never had a sporting injury .
    It annoys me when people call a sprain an injury. An injury is something colliding with you.

    That's not the dictionary definition.

    Only week people get injuried .
    What about month people?
    ;-P

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess
    someone gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter cost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.
    I've never bought one under about a tenner because I wanted more ranges or something. The cheapest I have is "Digitek" (no model on it) from China. No current, only volts and ohms and continuity.

    We splashed out more than I thought as we wanted contininty too https://onecall.farnell.com/duratool/d03047/multimeter-digital/dp/3498310?st=d03047
    think we got a better price under £2.75
    That's a fucking good meter. They've probably improved since I bought mine 10 years ago. That one even tests transistors, I had to spend £100 to get one that did that back in the mid 90s. Still got it. Micronta from Tandy, rebadged something, I forget
    what.

    yeah it's amazing how cheap they can be. Out of the last one hundred we bought only one was faulty, you had to squeeze the case for the LCD to come on.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.
    It's as accurate as the display. 0-600A at 0.1A intervals.

    so +- 100mA well our True RMS are 0.5mA at 0.7% with 5 digits resolution and we aren't limited to 50Hz sine I think it goes to 4KHz.
    But do they clamp?

    No we have one clamp meter just in case we need it, but it;s never been used in 5 years.

    We had a research student that wanted a resoluition of 1pA had to send him away to find one
    himself.
    Give him a gold leaf electroscope.

    We have 3 but there;s no display on them.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Aug 5 20:53:42 2022
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:15:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost.

    Since the cost of the obligatory lessons and one jump is £250, I'm sure people wouldn't mind.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.

    I once drunk 7 pints of lager then drove 40 miles home. I drove perfectly fine.

    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(

    Why didn't you bring some?

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.

    I guess that much won't harm you. I've looked directly at a welder a few times and it didn't blind me. Still got 100% eyesight according to specsavers, who were rather annoyed I have the eyes of a teenager (in vision quality, not sexyness) so they
    couldn't sell me any specs after cleaning some grit out of my eye and doing an eyetest both for free in the hopes of a sale.

    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.
    Obviously most people lose money, since there's the profits of the company and the "charities" they donate to.

    Yes I know but there's always a chance not many other ways of getting a cash windfall.

    I thought I was going to get loads of money from a multimillionaire Jewish acquaintance when his son said I was in his will. The bastard left me a book, on photography, to prove a point we were arguing about.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.

    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go forwards and
    take it out with interest.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million?

    a 1000$, thousand (par semani $)

    It's foreign
    So did she win a million US dollars or a million of her own worthless currency?

    I think it;s a reasonable amount even after converting to UK about £600 I think Canadian is similar to US.
    I heard someone won $1.3T in the US recently.

    T? Isn't that almost as much as the net worth of Musk?

    Why wait till you're 18? My friends were buying them at 14. And cigarettes. I never saw the point in tobacco, marijuana is much better.
    Maybe because you need someone to buy them for you I won a £5 on the horses when I was about £ my gran put 50p on the4 national lottery for me.
    When I was 13, my friend smoked heavily (also 13). We walked to the local shop before school and he just walked in and bought them, no questions asked.

    The problem comes when you have to claim the winnings, just ask an adult to do it should be OK.

    Age limits are all wrong.

    When I was 18 I bought tonnes of alcohol for my friend (16)'s little brother (14). He got pissed, made a council house girl pregnant, then left the country.
    360 people became millionaires via the lottery in 2021.
    Out of 65 million.

    Not sure where you get that from ,67 million in the UK
    Yip, I was close.

    But this july someone won £184 million just think if he hadn;t bought a ticket.
    He had the choice to buy a cup of coffee or a beer instead.
    That's how I see things.
    I wouldn't advise anyone to spend there last few quid on a ticket
    You're an idiot. So one person wind, but millions throw away money.

    Millions piss money up the wall every week.
    Millions subscribe to netflix, disney, + otheres. to watch more crap TV , millions vote for strictly
    Millions pay a fortune to go to a football match and watch their team win lose or draw
    when they could be watching it on TV.
    And you've just joined them.

    I don;t subscribe to any streaming channels

    Neither do I, I don't even have a TV License. Piratebay is way cheaper.

    As for the TV, piratebay is free.

    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.

    When I worked at a university in the days before Piratebay, I ran an FTP server with 1000 users around the world. I got to see every single box office film before it was even in the cinema. I put a DVD writer in the server :-)

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.

    Why?

    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/

    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Aug 6 16:47:02 2022
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:26:06 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 01:31:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:31:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 21:05:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:27:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:32:02 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:39:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 03:00:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 01:25:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:12:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 02:52:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    people have died from electric shocks.
    Not often. Weeds out the weak from the gene pool anyway.

    Most of the weak have already bred.
    And some have not.

    So shows it doesn;t work like that.
    It's semi effective. The weakest don't make it to breeding age. It's how we've evolved to be what we are and not still be amoebas.

    But those people with the hoighest population growth such as the africain countries aren;t the stongest.
    The strongest tend to have less offspring not the most.
    No, the most intelligent have less offspring. If you look at less intelligent people (eg. a council estate), people match up by fitness and good looks.

    I agree but you were talking of the weakest not inteligence there isn't much of a link between inteligence and weakness.
    People usually match up by simmilarities goven a preference
    You said the strongest have less offspring, that is incorrect. Poor people are fitter, rich people are cleverer.

    Depends on teh country poor people in Africa etc have far more children than we do in the UK.

    Exactly, when you take money out of the equation, people choose their partner by physical attributes only, so you better quality kids. Walk round a council estate and everyone's better looking.

    It comes down to resistance and where your heart happens to be in in cycle and if yuo can let go .
    It also comes down to your heart being able to restart itself using one of the several mechanisms healthy people have.
    If that were true then healthy people would be immortal
    We are to electric shock.

    You could always do a yuotube video to prove it.
    Just look up some stats somewhere. I've had 240V through me many times, it just made me jump.

    You don;t know what went through you it's the current that kills,
    Yeah.... that's why touching my 300 amp car battery kills me more than a 13A socket.

    But that's only at 12V.

    But you made the mythical claim that current is what's important.

    voltage doesn't travel through you.
    It's also varing every cycle from 0 to 340V.
    Most people don't touch something briefly enough for that to matter.

    touching makes your muscles constrict.

    Only the ones being electrified.

    My father (78) got one and said it was annoying. MY neighbour tradesman has had quite a few and the only one that harmed him was when he leapt off a ladder nad sprained his back.

    Some people survived through WWI & WWII .
    Only some. But most survive shocks.

    Most but not all.

    Most is good enough. Kill off the weak.

    Some die as kids die as a result of guns in fact more children die in the USA via guns than even car accidents.
    I've changed my mind on tat, it would be fun to own a gun.
    It could be, nothing wrong with guns it;s just the type of person holding it is where the problem lies.

    It also means sensible people can defend themselves.

    I've never been injured in a car accident.
    Neither have I.
    I've never had a sporting injury .
    It annoys me when people call a sprain an injury. An injury is something colliding with you.

    That's not the dictionary definition.

    It's the only one I've ever heard of. If you sprain your ankle, yes that's an injury, because you went over on it, external forces damaged it, just like a cut or bruise. But if you just overuse a muscle and it tears, that's not an injury, it's just
    worn out. Same with a car, you wouldn't say you had a crash when you wore the engine out from using it a lot.

    And I've yet to see 230V. I get 246V to my house. 230V is just some bullshit from the EU.

    around 241V at work, I've seen it as low as 235.
    Has anyone ever seen 230 or less? I asked for mine to be reduced as sometime it's over the 10% or whatever it is allowed, but they said if they adjusted the transformer tap, the other end of the street would be far too low, so I guess
    someone gets low voltage. I guess I should be happy with high voltage, it means I can draw more power through the same cable. Maybe this is why Merkins have a transformer pole per house, sounds an expensive method though.

    No idea and of course it depends on how it's being measured and what with.
    Voltage can be measured very accurately with any multimeter.

    No it can;t I''ve tried it with various meters and you could get up to 3V differnce between a cheap plug-in power meter and our True RMS meters.
    We bought True RMS meters because normal meters aren't true RMS and can give strange reading that don't come out right when you compare calculations with practice.
    I've never found an inaccurate meter. I have a true RMS meter, a £100 multimeter from 1990, a £5 multimeter from a few years ago, and a couple of plug in power meters. Very accurate on voltage and they all agree.

    I'll have to check we have a multimeter cost £400 and soon to arrive about 200 £1.99 ones to give to students.
    I've got 3 plugins to try but one of them was well out when measuring power.
    I've never bought one under about a tenner because I wanted more ranges or something. The cheapest I have is "Digitek" (no model on it) from China. No current, only volts and ohms and continuity.

    We splashed out more than I thought as we wanted contininty too
    https://onecall.farnell.com/duratool/d03047/multimeter-digital/dp/3498310?st=d03047
    think we got a better price under £2.75
    That's a fucking good meter. They've probably improved since I bought mine 10 years ago. That one even tests transistors, I had to spend £100 to get one that did that back in the mid 90s. Still got it. Micronta from Tandy, rebadged something, I forget
    what.

    yeah it's amazing how cheap they can be. Out of the last one hundred we bought only one was faulty, you had to squeeze the case for the LCD to come on.

    I have to do that for my scientific calculator I bought 30 years ago.

    Current with my clamp meter seems to be unreliable though, even though the cheap thing I got to sense the current coming in to the house is spot on.
    Ignore the above, the clamp meter is spot on. I was only irritated by it a few weeks ago, I think something was wrong with the circuit and more current was flowing back through the return than should have been.

    I guess it depends what you mean by spot on and the usage.
    It's as accurate as the display. 0-600A at 0.1A intervals.

    so +- 100mA well our True RMS are 0.5mA at 0.7% with 5 digits resolution >> > and we aren't limited to 50Hz sine I think it goes to 4KHz.
    But do they clamp?

    No we have one clamp meter just in case we need it, but it;s never been used in 5 years.

    They are so useful when checking current without having to disturb the circuit.

    We had a research student that wanted a resoluition of 1pA had to send him away to find one
    himself.
    Give him a gold leaf electroscope.

    We have 3 but there;s no display on them.

    Why would he need that?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Aug 7 01:07:14 2022
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:42:47 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 20:51:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:42:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 22:41:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:44:58 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 00:08:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:12:55 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 03:08:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:18:22 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:38:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:08:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 02:02:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:53:32 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    He must park to load and off load,
    There should be adequate space for parking for commercial vehicles, or the streets aren't fit for purpose.

    Who gives a shit , are you now claiming that rules need to be followed.
    No, nobody should be restricted from parking anywhere, but the streets should be big enough.

    Bit difficult in London.
    The council should make roads fit for purpose in the first place. >> >> >> >
    Mile end road where I work was mentioned in the doomsday book I think first mention in 1277
    And it would be a bit difficult to move tower bridge or make it wider.
    Every so often buildings are knocked down and rebuilt. Don't rebuild them in the same place.

    Well london bridge was moved to arizona .

    Why put buildings so close together? But then your mayor is a Muslim.
    They were built like that since roman times.
    They didn;t have many large lorries in shakespeare day well he never wrote about them
    or having problems parking outside the globe theatre.
    Shakespeare wrote works of fiction, of course they had lorries.

    There was a big lorry/car park in dover over the weekend I heard
    The French pissing around with passport control again?

    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.

    I've managed 5 years twice, although in both cases we were on and off. One spent too much money and the other one never shut up. Apparently some people find someone they can put up with forever.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.

    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.

    They eat take aways to avoid the healthy tasteless shit the school tries to ram down their throats. Wasn't there a school on the news where parents were selling them burgers through the fence?

    But the driving to school is absurd, it's health and softy gone mad. When I was at school if you set foot in the car park you got taken to the headmaster. The school I worked at recently, the kids just play in the car park, and the staff are meant to
    avoid them. They stayed out of my way though. I snuck up on a couple of boys once by coasting my Range Rover up behind them, then I revved up the 3.5 litre V8 6 inches behind them and they fucking legged it. After a while the same car didn't work so
    good, very difficult to start. I was turning it over and over when trying to go home and some kids were behind me laughing. I stuck my head out of the window and said I wouldn't stand there if I were you. They ignored me. I knew it would start
    eventually, but running on LPG, which was trickling into the exhaust there was gonna be a bang. A fucking explosion and flames out the exhaust, they ran too. They got to like me, for some reason doing a jump over the school speed bump in a
    Honda CRV is classed as cool. Probably against many regulations.

    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.

    What's your opinion on nudist camps then? I went to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's
    mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead of
    them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.

    Why did you pretend to be knackered then?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 8 05:50:54 2022
    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 20:53:51 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:15:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost.
    Since the cost of the obligatory lessons and one jump is £250, I'm sure people wouldn't mind.

    Depends on how likely it was meant to happen.
    As putting a deposit down on something does indicate a likelyhood of something going tits up.
    A little like insurance.



    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.
    I once drunk 7 pints of lager then drove 40 miles home. I drove perfectly fine.
    I'm sure thats possible on piss lagar with food over a period of time.

    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(
    Why didn't you bring some?

    Decided not to go , not always keen on these work do's
    Never sure who to trust , and some can't talk about anything other than work.

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.
    I guess that much won't harm you.

    I expected it to taste nice with that purple/mauve colour a bit like ribina but was I shocked :-{}

    I've looked directly at a welder a few times and it didn't blind me. Still got 100% eyesight according to specsavers, who were rather annoyed I have the eyes of a teenager (in vision quality, not sexyness) so they couldn't sell me any specs after
    cleaning some grit out of my eye and doing an eyetest both for free in the hopes of a sale.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer , just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.
    Obviously most people lose money, since there's the profits of the company and the "charities" they donate to.

    Yes I know but there's always a chance not many other ways of getting a cash windfall.
    I thought I was going to get loads of money from a multimillionaire Jewish acquaintance when his son said I was in his will. The bastard left me a book, on photography, to prove a point we were arguing about.
    I have jewish ancestry somewhere, I never understood the joke " you can tell a jewist family by the fork in the sugar bowl" until I realised how expensive sugar was 100+ years ago as was tea.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.


    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go forwards and
    take it out with interest.

    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lottery-win-first-ticket-18th-birthday-teenager-canada-charlie-lagarde-quebec-a8277391.html

    Why does the big cheque she's holding say $1K when she won a million? >> >
    a 1000$, thousand (par semani $)

    It's foreign
    So did she win a million US dollars or a million of her own worthless currency?

    I think it;s a reasonable amount even after converting to UK about £600 I think Canadian is similar to US.
    I heard someone won $1.3T in the US recently.
    T? Isn't that almost as much as the net worth of Musk?

    Yeah should have been billion gotm carried away ;-)

    This time next year .....


    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.
    When I worked at a university in the days before Piratebay, I ran an FTP server with 1000 users around the world. I got to see every single box office film before it was even in the cinema. I put a DVD writer in the server :-)

    It's rare that I think oh I'd really like to see that

    Only thing at the moment is the Orville on disney+

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .

    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.


    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 8 06:22:35 2022
    On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 01:07:23 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:42:47 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.
    I've managed 5 years twice, although in both cases we were on and off. One spent too much money and the other one never shut up. Apparently some people find someone they can put up with forever.

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years. It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.



    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.
    They eat take aways to avoid the healthy tasteless shit the school tries to ram down their throats. Wasn't there a school on the news where parents were selling them burgers through the fence?

    Yeah. trouble is crap food is taste , you just have to know .

    But the driving to school is absurd, it's health and softy gone mad. When I was at school if you set foot in the car park you got taken to the headmaster.

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s

    The school I worked at recently, the kids just play in the car park, and the staff are meant to avoid them. They stayed out of my way though. I snuck up on a couple of boys once by coasting my Range Rover up behind them, then I revved up the 3.5 litre
    V8 6 inches behind them and they fucking legged it. After a while the same car didn't work so good, very difficult to start. I was turning it over and over when trying to go home and some kids were behind me laughing. I stuck my head out of the window
    and said I wouldn't stand there if I were you. They ignored me. I knew it would start eventually, but running on LPG, which was trickling into the exhaust there was gonna be a bang. A fucking explosion and flames out the exhaust, they ran too. They got
    to like me, for some reason doing a jump over the school speed bump in a
    Honda CRV is classed as cool. Probably against many regulations.
    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.

    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's
    mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead
    of them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.
    Why did you pretend to be knackered then?

    Didn't want to draw attention as to why I didn't you try harder.
    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 10 04:24:22 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:50:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 20:53:51 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:15:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost. >> Since the cost of the obligatory lessons and one jump is £250, I'm sure people wouldn't mind.

    Depends on how likely it was meant to happen.
    As putting a deposit down on something does indicate a likelyhood of something going tits up.
    A little like insurance.

    No, it would be seen as damage through carelessness, not following the instructions to collect it properly after landing instead of dragging it along the ground for example.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.
    I once drunk 7 pints of lager then drove 40 miles home. I drove perfectly fine.
    I'm sure thats possible on piss lagar with food over a period of time.

    They were all at once at a work lunch. I don't recall eating much as the food wasn't the nicest.

    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(
    Why didn't you bring some?

    Decided not to go, not always keen on these work do's
    Never sure who to trust , and some can't talk about anything other than work.

    I've never heard work talk at a work do. People go there to socialise and get away from work.

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.
    I guess that much won't harm you.

    I expected it to taste nice with that purple/mauve colour a bit like ribina but was I shocked :-{}

    I love the smell of it. Mind you I also love the smell of coffee, but to me it's tasteless.

    I've looked directly at a welder a few times and it didn't blind me. Still got 100% eyesight according to specsavers, who were rather annoyed I have the eyes of a teenager (in vision quality, not sexyness) so they couldn't sell me any specs after
    cleaning some grit out of my eye and doing an eyetest both for free in the hopes of a sale.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.

    I'm less than a few people
    But chances are it'll be one of the other several million.

    Only for the jackpot , a friend won just under £1k once, I won another £4.40 on friday.
    Obviously most people lose money, since there's the profits of the company and the "charities" they donate to.

    Yes I know but there's always a chance not many other ways of getting a cash windfall.
    I thought I was going to get loads of money from a multimillionaire Jewish acquaintance when his son said I was in his will. The bastard left me a book, on photography, to prove a point we were arguing about.
    I have jewish ancestry somewhere, I never understood the joke " you can tell a jewist family by the fork in the sugar bowl" until I realised how expensive sugar was 100+ years ago as was tea.

    We should have let them all die out in the gas chambers.

    I wish I had a time machine or could see a few days into the future. First thing I'd do is win several lotteries. Or maybe mix things up a little bit to avoid detection, bit of stocks and shares too, horse racing, etc.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.

    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller? >> >
    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go forwards and
    take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)

    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.
    When I worked at a university in the days before Piratebay, I ran an FTP server with 1000 users around the world. I got to see every single box office film before it was even in the cinema. I put a DVD writer in the server :-)

    It's rare that I think oh I'd really like to see that

    This was back in about 2000 when I was 25. I've pretty much seen everything now, or something very similar to it. I rarely watch films, only thing I watch is comedy serieses like The Grand Tour, Clarksons Farm, etc.

    Only thing at the moment is the Orville on disney+

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .

    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.

    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.

    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.

    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.

    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 10 19:40:28 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:22:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 01:07:23 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:42:47 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>

    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.
    I've managed 5 years twice, although in both cases we were on and off. One spent too much money and the other one never shut up. Apparently some people find someone they can put up with forever.

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years. It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.

    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.

    Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...

    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I can't stand young girls, they're too egotistical. Boys are easier.

    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.
    They eat take aways to avoid the healthy tasteless shit the school tries to ram down their throats. Wasn't there a school on the news where parents were selling them burgers through the fence?

    Yeah. trouble is crap food is taste , you just have to know .

    Nothing crap about it, I'm sure our bodies cope with anything we shove in there, after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    But the driving to school is absurd, it's health and softy gone mad. When I was at school if you set foot in the car park you got taken to the headmaster.

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s

    They should bring back the belt.

    The school I worked at recently, the kids just play in the car park, and the staff are meant to avoid them. They stayed out of my way though. I snuck up on a couple of boys once by coasting my Range Rover up behind them, then I revved up the 3.5 litre
    V8 6 inches behind them and they fucking legged it. After a while the same car didn't work so good, very difficult to start. I was turning it over and over when trying to go home and some kids were behind me laughing. I stuck my head out of the window
    and said I wouldn't stand there if I were you. They ignored me. I knew it would start eventually, but running on LPG, which was trickling into the exhaust there was gonna be a bang. A fucking explosion and flames out the exhaust, they ran too. They got
    to like me, for some reason doing a jump over the school speed bump in a
    Honda CRV is classed as cool. Probably against many regulations.
    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.

    Clothes are irrational.

    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .

    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees

    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad's
    mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly ahead
    of them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.
    Why did you pretend to be knackered then?

    Didn't want to draw attention as to why I didn't you try harder.
    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.

    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Aug 12 06:08:34 2022
    On Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 19:40:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:22:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 01:07:23 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:42:47 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.
    I've managed 5 years twice, although in both cases we were on and off. One spent too much money and the other one never shut up. Apparently some people find someone they can put up with forever.

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.


    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.
    Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    If, Jim might not know or care.


    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.


    I can't stand young girls, they're too egotistical. Boys are easier.
    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.
    They eat take aways to avoid the healthy tasteless shit the school tries to ram down their throats. Wasn't there a school on the news where parents were selling them burgers through the fence?

    Yeah. trouble is crap food is taste , you just have to know .
    Nothing crap about it, I'm sure our bodies cope with anything we shove in there,

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.

    But the driving to school is absurd, it's health and softy gone mad. When I was at school if you set foot in the car park you got taken to the headmaster.

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)

    The school I worked at recently, the kids just play in the car park, and the staff are meant to avoid them. They stayed out of my way though. I snuck up on a couple of boys once by coasting my Range Rover up behind them, then I revved up the 3.5
    litre V8 6 inches behind them and they fucking legged it. After a while the same car didn't work so good, very difficult to start. I was turning it over and over when trying to go home and some kids were behind me laughing. I stuck my head out of the
    window and said I wouldn't stand there if I were you. They ignored me. I knew it would start eventually, but running on LPG, which was trickling into the exhaust there was gonna be a bang. A fucking explosion and flames out the exhaust, they ran too.
    They got to like me, for some reason doing a jump over the school speed bump in a
    Honda CRV is classed as cool. Probably against many regulations.
    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.


    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.


    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his dad'
    s mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly
    ahead of them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.
    Why did you pretend to be knackered then?

    Didn't want to draw attention as to why I didn't you try harder.
    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    Not everyone plays football.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.

    Oh and then there's porn but no one watches that do they ?

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Aug 12 05:41:45 2022
    On Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 04:24:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:50:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 20:53:51 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:15:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost.
    Since the cost of the obligatory lessons and one jump is £250, I'm sure people wouldn't mind.

    Depends on how likely it was meant to happen.
    As putting a deposit down on something does indicate a likelyhood of something going tits up.
    A little like insurance.
    No, it would be seen as damage through carelessness, not following the instructions to collect it properly after landing instead of dragging it along the ground for example.

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.
    I once drunk 7 pints of lager then drove 40 miles home. I drove perfectly fine.
    I'm sure thats possible on piss lagar with food over a period of time.
    They were all at once at a work lunch. I don't recall eating much as the food wasn't the nicest.

    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive. I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.

    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(
    Why didn't you bring some?

    Decided not to go, not always keen on these work do's
    Never sure who to trust , and some can't talk about anything other than work.
    I've never heard work talk at a work do. People go there to socialise and get away from work.

    Not here , most academics and researches it's thier life , they rarely talk about anything else.

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.
    I guess that much won't harm you.

    I expected it to taste nice with that purple/mauve colour a bit like ribina but was I shocked :-{}
    I love the smell of it. Mind you I also love the smell of coffee, but to me it's tasteless.
    I've looked directly at a welder a few times and it didn't blind me. Still got 100% eyesight according to specsavers, who were rather annoyed I have the eyes of a teenager (in vision quality, not sexyness) so they couldn't sell me any specs after
    cleaning some grit out of my eye and doing an eyetest both for free in the hopes of a sale.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause. My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.


    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.


    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go forwards
    and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.


    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.
    When I worked at a university in the days before Piratebay, I ran an FTP server with 1000 users around the world. I got to see every single box office film before it was even in the cinema. I put a DVD writer in the server :-)

    It's rare that I think oh I'd really like to see that
    This was back in about 2000 when I was 25. I've pretty much seen everything now, or something very similar to it. I rarely watch films, only thing I watch is comedy serieses like The Grand Tour, Clarksons Farm, etc.
    Only thing at the moment is the Orville on disney+

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather. >> >> I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.


    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Aug 12 22:42:15 2022
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 04:24:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:50:54 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 20:53:51 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:15:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 20:25:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:09:41 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I agree. But chutes cost money and most people do it for a laugh once and aren't that good at steering,

    So charge them for it, they fuck the chute up they pay for it.
    Agreed.
    so the number of ripped chutes would be high. Even if you miss the lorry, the chute is often dragged behind you as you land, and tarmac isn't kind to chute fabric.

    Where's the problem ?
    There isn't actually, as you said, simply charge a deposit at the start which you get back if your chute is still usable.

    That would put people off I guess , I've no idea what a chute might cost.
    Since the cost of the obligatory lessons and one jump is £250, I'm sure people wouldn't mind.

    Depends on how likely it was meant to happen.
    As putting a deposit down on something does indicate a likelyhood of something going tits up.
    A little like insurance.
    No, it would be seen as damage through carelessness, not following the instructions to collect it properly after landing instead of dragging it along the ground for example.

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.

    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.

    I just do it to make me feel happy and to INCREASE my concentration. Ethanol, like glucose, is a fuel.

    flies use shit for fuel,
    Alcohol tastes better than shit. Although a colleague once asked if I was drinking piss at lunchtime, I said "no it's applejuice", it was actually cider. Alcohol at work probably wasn't allowed!

    We allow it at parties it's usually crap stuff those.
    I once drunk 7 pints of lager then drove 40 miles home. I drove perfectly fine.
    I'm sure thats possible on piss lagar with food over a period of time.
    They were all at once at a work lunch. I don't recall eating much as the food wasn't the nicest.

    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.

    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.

    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    When we had a department BBQ last month they asked if anyone had any dietary requirements,
    I said a good single malt, but all they had was cans of crap standard beer cider bitter and a few wines which were cheap,
    not a spirit in sight. :-(
    Why didn't you bring some?

    Decided not to go, not always keen on these work do's
    Never sure who to trust , and some can't talk about anything other than work.
    I've never heard work talk at a work do. People go there to socialise and get away from work.

    Not here , most academics and researches it's thier life , they rarely talk about anything else.

    I tried a bit of meths once it was horrible nearly as bad as green chartreuse
    Can you still see?

    Yep it was when I was about 14. I'd heard on TV that people drank meths , I had some I used for a model traction engine just dipped my finger in and tried it on my tongue.
    I guess that much won't harm you.

    I expected it to taste nice with that purple/mauve colour a bit like ribina but was I shocked :-{}
    I love the smell of it. Mind you I also love the smell of coffee, but to me it's tasteless.
    I've looked directly at a welder a few times and it didn't blind me. Still got 100% eyesight according to specsavers, who were rather annoyed I have the eyes of a teenager (in vision quality, not sexyness) so they couldn't sell me any specs after
    cleaning some grit out of my eye and doing an eyetest both for free in the hopes of a sale.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.

    Then you have poor eyesight.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.

    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.

    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.

    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.

    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened. >> No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.

    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further along,
    you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go forwards
    and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.

    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    yeah a friend dos that I have a disc of his with 100s of films never bothered watching any of them though.
    When I worked at a university in the days before Piratebay, I ran an FTP server with 1000 users around the world. I got to see every single box office film before it was even in the cinema. I put a DVD writer in the server :-)

    It's rare that I think oh I'd really like to see that
    This was back in about 2000 when I was 25. I've pretty much seen everything now, or something very similar to it. I rarely watch films, only thing I watch is comedy serieses like The Grand Tour, Clarksons Farm, etc.
    Only thing at the moment is the Orville on disney+

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather. >> >> >> I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.

    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.

    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.

    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area are
    all like minded.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sat Aug 13 00:18:51 2022
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 19:40:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:22:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sunday, 7 August 2022 at 01:07:23 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:42:47 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Yeah 2 french GFs and one french flatmate I know all about the boody French ;-)
    How many bloody GFs have you had?!

    Never counted the longest was about 1 year, most were more like holiday romances.
    I've managed 5 years twice, although in both cases we were on and off. One spent too much money and the other one never shut up. Apparently some people find someone they can put up with forever.

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.

    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.
    Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    If, Jim might not know or care.

    I guess she'd have to time things right.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.

    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I can't stand young girls, they're too egotistical. Boys are easier.
    Maybe most do, but it's between 30-70% is genetic and yuo get it from patents.
    I didn't know fat was patented :-)

    Bring in the lard tax :-)
    They already fucking tax sugar! Let people eat what they like!

    trouble is that it starts when young , I don;t remember many take-aways when I was at school now they are everywhere and I see kids at lunchtime getting chicken & chips and drinking loads of sugary drinks.
    It's why so many kids are fat and with parent driving them to school if they live more than 500 metres away.
    They eat take aways to avoid the healthy tasteless shit the school tries to ram down their throats. Wasn't there a school on the news where parents were selling them burgers through the fence?

    Yeah. trouble is crap food is taste , you just have to know .
    Nothing crap about it, I'm sure our bodies cope with anything we shove in there,

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.

    That's the amount not the type.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.

    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    But the driving to school is absurd, it's health and softy gone mad. When I was at school if you set foot in the car park you got taken to the headmaster.

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)

    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    The school I worked at recently, the kids just play in the car park, and the staff are meant to avoid them. They stayed out of my way though. I snuck up on a couple of boys once by coasting my Range Rover up behind them, then I revved up the 3.5
    litre V8 6 inches behind them and they fucking legged it. After a while the same car didn't work so good, very difficult to start. I was turning it over and over when trying to go home and some kids were behind me laughing. I stuck my head out of the
    window and said I wouldn't stand there if I were you. They ignored me. I knew it would start eventually, but running on LPG, which was trickling into the exhaust there was gonna be a bang. A fucking explosion and flames out the exhaust, they ran too.
    They got to like me, for some reason doing a jump over the school speed bump in a
    Honda CRV is classed as cool. Probably against many regulations.
    Ideal for peados, seems the catholic church also liked their young boys naked.
    Nudism and sex are not the same thing.

    Neither is having sex and reproduction.
    Agreed. So what's all the fuss about?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.

    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.

    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.

    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.

    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.

    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.

    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    Where we did our sports was dug up hackney marches and is now part of teh olympic village in stratford.
    I did cross country which was out of the school grounds and along a track and a B road. Probably considered too dangerous nowadays (rolls eyes). My friend won the race. He cheated by getting a lift on the back of the bin lorry since his
    dad's mate was working on it.
    we did that for cross country I got bored and waiting at traffic lights didn't really seem much like cross country, it bored me so I just walked most of the way, only sped up when the PE teachers was about.
    Me and a friend took a shortcut through a graveyard and cut 2 miles off the route. We just slowed down so we were last then hopped over the wall when the rest couldn't see us. There were a few questions from others on how we were suddenly
    ahead of them.
    I always held way back and made sure I looked knacked the top 20 got singled out to join the cross country inter-school club evens and did extra training.
    We were given the option to do those things if we were good, we never had to.

    They didn't force anyone but if you're not good at something yuo tend not to enjoy it either.
    Why did you pretend to be knackered then?

    Didn't want to draw attention as to why I didn't you try harder.
    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.

    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.

    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Oh and then there's porn but no one watches that do they ?

    That's not a sport, that's admiration.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Aug 13 19:06:04 2022
    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.

    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much.


    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.



    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further along, you'
    ll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.



    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better. >> >> >> https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked. >> >
    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.

    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.


    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area are
    all like minded.

    TG is like that I was there once and one guy was wanking himself off while watching a couple hang weights to their genitals.
    One girl was laying on a cross and having dildos inserted into her by whoever wanted to, one bloke was being whipped.
    someone in their twenties (I think) was kissing my girlfriends shoes apparently he had a shoe fetish, was well into it for about 20 mins we just found it funny.
    Another guy who was wearing a blue miniskirt and nothing else had a heart attack and died it was in the news sometime in the 90s
    I kept a cutout of the report but they got it wrong as they said he was in a nappy and he wasn't. I remember seeing him at some point sitting down, not sure if he was dead at that point though.
    One girl had a shiny PVC nuns habit outfit on with the white hat, her eyes we visible and she'd cut holes where her tits were out and crotch
    were showing and that was it, every other part of her body was covered up.

    Do you watch naked attraction on TV ?





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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Aug 13 19:31:50 2022
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.


    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.
    Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    If, Jim might not know or care.
    I guess she'd have to time things right.

    wouldn't be to difficult, but I did find the 'logic a bit odd, but she was french and female they all seems a bit weird,
    well most of the ones I've met anyway.


    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .


    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.


    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.




    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    Strange how the muslim countries cope with wearing lots of cloths in hot weather, it's actually cooler wearing things like cotten. Sweat keeps you cool.



    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.


    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.

    Oh and then there's porn but no one watches that do they ?
    That's not a sport, that's admiration.

    or wishful thinking.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Aug 14 04:40:31 2022
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Aug 14 17:11:30 2022
    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.

    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Aug 14 17:09:46 2022
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 00:23:52 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:06:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.

    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much.
    It happens often, very easy to tangle the first chute. I tangled mine on the second jump, it was very windy, almost windy enough for them to abandon the jump, I leapt out of the plane and was hit by a strong gust of wind which made me and the parachute
    face different directions. I spun round several times, realised the problem, looked up and saw the twisted lines, and kicked to spin myself the other way. I was congratulated on good control. If that had failed I would haven needed the second chute.

    Interesting not sure if I'd like it, I don't like heights on a ladder or looking directly down when on a tall building,
    but being on a plane I'm OK.
    I think that's the difference of vertigo and heights.
    A friend of mine gets dizzy when looking up at tall building but is OK looking down from one.

    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.
    It's lies damn lies and statistics. You can feel yourself concentrating better for the first few drinks before it goes downhill. It actually improves your health too unless you're more than FOUR times over the recommended amount.

    yeah the recommenced amount is a bit odd, I've only seen double once but didn;t feel as drunk as on a few other occasions.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.
    I meant "done" not "one".
    OK

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.
    Inferior people. Why would you fall asleep when concentrating and not in a bed? Do you also do a shit when your trousers aren't down and you're not sitting on the throne?

    I haven't but know someone that did. I think the beer was off I could hardly finish the first pint.
    A few 100 years ago in london you could rent a place to sleep and the cheapest ones they stood you up tied a rope around you so you
    wouldn;t fall down . They could pack more people in a room that way. think is was the 1700-1800s saw it on TV.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.
    It must be a major inconvenience. I would never wear specs, I'd get contacts or laser surgery.

    Thought about both but laser surgery sometimes needs doing again after 5+ years.
    I can really watch TV with reading glasses on so not sure I;'d like contacts for just reading.


    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.
    Do the lenses look like you could buy two similar pairs of different power and swap one of the lenses over?

    They don't look easy to take out.

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..
    I like strip lights, no shadows.

    We have magnifying glasses with a ring of LED's called helping hands with 3 croc-clips for holding things,
    makes soldering so much easier .

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further along,
    you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.

    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area
    are all like minded.

    TG is like that I was there once and one guy was wanking himself off while watching a couple hang weights to their genitals.
    One girl was laying on a cross and having dildos inserted into her by whoever wanted to, one bloke was being whipped.
    someone in their twenties (I think) was kissing my girlfriends shoes apparently he had a shoe fetish, was well into it for about 20 mins we just found it funny.
    Another guy who was wearing a blue miniskirt and nothing else had a heart attack and died it was in the news sometime in the 90s
    I kept a cutout of the report but they got it wrong as they said he was in a nappy and he wasn't. I remember seeing him at some point sitting down, not sure if he was dead at that point though.
    Do you know what caused the heart attack?

    No, but he looked to be in his 70s, police looked into it but didn;t find anything suspicious. Wasn't drink or drug related.

    One girl had a shiny PVC nuns habit outfit on with the white hat, her eyes we visible and she'd cut holes where her tits were out and crotch
    were showing and that was it, every other part of her body was covered up.

    Do you watch naked attraction on TV ?
    Is that the blind date for naked people? I watched one and found it rather boring.

    Yeah I like tattoos (well some) but don;t have any myself or piercings.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Aug 15 00:23:42 2022
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:06:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.

    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much.

    It happens often, very easy to tangle the first chute. I tangled mine on the second jump, it was very windy, almost windy enough for them to abandon the jump, I leapt out of the plane and was hit by a strong gust of wind which made me and the parachute
    face different directions. I spun round several times, realised the problem, looked up and saw the twisted lines, and kicked to spin myself the other way. I was congratulated on good control. If that had failed I would haven needed the second chute.

    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.

    It's lies damn lies and statistics. You can feel yourself concentrating better for the first few drinks before it goes downhill. It actually improves your health too unless you're more than FOUR times over the recommended amount.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.

    I meant "done" not "one".

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.

    Inferior people. Why would you fall asleep when concentrating and not in a bed? Do you also do a shit when your trousers aren't down and you're not sitting on the throne?

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.

    It must be a major inconvenience. I would never wear specs, I'd get contacts or laser surgery.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.

    Do the lenses look like you could buy two similar pairs of different power and swap one of the lenses over?

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..

    I like strip lights, no shadows.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further along,
    you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.

    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.

    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better. >> >> >> >> https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.

    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked. >> >> >
    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.

    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area are
    all like minded.

    TG is like that I was there once and one guy was wanking himself off while watching a couple hang weights to their genitals.
    One girl was laying on a cross and having dildos inserted into her by whoever wanted to, one bloke was being whipped.
    someone in their twenties (I think) was kissing my girlfriends shoes apparently he had a shoe fetish, was well into it for about 20 mins we just found it funny.
    Another guy who was wearing a blue miniskirt and nothing else had a heart attack and died it was in the news sometime in the 90s
    I kept a cutout of the report but they got it wrong as they said he was in a nappy and he wasn't. I remember seeing him at some point sitting down, not sure if he was dead at that point though.

    Do you know what caused the heart attack?

    One girl had a shiny PVC nuns habit outfit on with the white hat, her eyes we visible and she'd cut holes where her tits were out and crotch
    were showing and that was it, every other part of her body was covered up.

    Do you watch naked attraction on TV ?

    Is that the blind date for naked people? I watched one and found it rather boring.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Aug 15 01:34:55 2022
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:11:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.
    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room.

    Get an air conditioner like me. I can't sleep above 20C. Only cost me £400. It's fucking wonderful to have ice cold air being blasted into the house.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 15 05:02:14 2022
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 01:35:04 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:11:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.
    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room.
    Get an air conditioner like me. I can't sleep above 20C. Only cost me £400. It's fucking wonderful to have ice cold air being blasted into the house.

    I did jave a portable one , the ones I've seen made a lot of noise so I couldn;t sleep due to the noise .
    But I guess yuo get used to the noise. Which do you have ?.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Aug 15 21:05:22 2022
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:09:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 00:23:52 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:06:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.

    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much. >> It happens often, very easy to tangle the first chute. I tangled mine on the second jump, it was very windy, almost windy enough for them to abandon the jump, I leapt out of the plane and was hit by a strong gust of wind which made me and the
    parachute face different directions. I spun round several times, realised the problem, looked up and saw the twisted lines, and kicked to spin myself the other way. I was congratulated on good control. If that had failed I would haven needed the second
    chute.

    Interesting not sure if I'd like it, I don't like heights on a ladder or looking directly down when on a tall building,
    but being on a plane I'm OK.
    I think that's the difference of vertigo and heights.
    A friend of mine gets dizzy when looking up at tall building but is OK looking down from one.

    When I was 4000 feet in the air, looking down didn't seem high, the ground was so small it just looked like some kind of model setup. And hanging from the chute with steering controls, I felt more like I was in a vehicle than floating mid air.

    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.
    It's lies damn lies and statistics. You can feel yourself concentrating better for the first few drinks before it goes downhill. It actually improves your health too unless you're more than FOUR times over the recommended amount.

    yeah the recommenced amount is a bit odd, I've only seen double once but didn;t feel as drunk as on a few other occasions.

    As I drink more far away things become slightly out of focus, but not bad enough cause a problem. I thought my sight was going until I realised it was ok on the rare occasion I was sober.

    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.
    I meant "done" not "one".
    OK

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.
    Inferior people. Why would you fall asleep when concentrating and not in a bed? Do you also do a shit when your trousers aren't down and you're not sitting on the throne?

    I haven't but know someone that did. I think the beer was off I could hardly finish the first pint.
    A few 100 years ago in london you could rent a place to sleep and the cheapest ones they stood you up tied a rope around you so you
    wouldn;t fall down . They could pack more people in a room that way. think is was the 1700-1800s saw it on TV.

    I'd had to have missed a few night's sleep before that would work for me.

    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.
    It must be a major inconvenience. I would never wear specs, I'd get contacts or laser surgery.

    Thought about both but laser surgery sometimes needs doing again after 5+ years.
    I can really watch TV with reading glasses on so not sure I;'d like contacts for just reading.

    Don't you get varifocal contacts? Or do what my Aunt does. Contacts so distance is ok, then add glasses for short range stuff only, without having to remove the contacts.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.
    Do the lenses look like you could buy two similar pairs of different power and swap one of the lenses over?

    They don't look easy to take out.

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..
    I like strip lights, no shadows.

    We have magnifying glasses with a ring of LED's called helping hands with 3 croc-clips for holding things,
    makes soldering so much easier .

    Yes I use those, but without the LED ring. I have decent room lighting anyway. I've got 200 watts of LEDs (which would be equivalent to 1.5kW of incandescent) in my living room which is 7m x 3.5m. Plus some UV lights as the parrots can see UV.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further along,
    you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.

    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.

    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.

    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.

    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle. I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a
    good idea" - they hadn't thought of it!

    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area
    are all like minded.

    TG is like that I was there once and one guy was wanking himself off while watching a couple hang weights to their genitals.
    One girl was laying on a cross and having dildos inserted into her by whoever wanted to, one bloke was being whipped.
    someone in their twenties (I think) was kissing my girlfriends shoes apparently he had a shoe fetish, was well into it for about 20 mins we just found it funny.
    Another guy who was wearing a blue miniskirt and nothing else had a heart attack and died it was in the news sometime in the 90s
    I kept a cutout of the report but they got it wrong as they said he was in a nappy and he wasn't. I remember seeing him at some point sitting down, not sure if he was dead at that point though.
    Do you know what caused the heart attack?

    No, but he looked to be in his 70s, police looked into it but didn;t find anything suspicious. Wasn't drink or drug related.

    One girl had a shiny PVC nuns habit outfit on with the white hat, her eyes we visible and she'd cut holes where her tits were out and crotch
    were showing and that was it, every other part of her body was covered up. >> >
    Do you watch naked attraction on TV ?
    Is that the blind date for naked people? I watched one and found it rather boring.

    Yeah I like tattoos (well some) but don;t have any myself or piercings.

    Same here, they look cool but I hate needles!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Mon Aug 15 23:46:30 2022
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.

    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume.
    Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad. >> >
    If, Jim might not know or care.
    I guess she'd have to time things right.

    wouldn't be to difficult, but I did find the 'logic a bit odd, but she was french and female they all seems a bit weird,
    well most of the ones I've met anyway.

    A French exchange student (who was supposed to help teach us French) when I was at school fucked one of my friends in the swimming pool. For some reason they actually drained it and cleaned it! Don't think she got into much trouble, they weren't
    obsessed with ages back then.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .

    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.

    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.

    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.

    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?

    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.

    A myth. How can a natural thing be bad for you? Suntan is your skin adkusting the amount that gets through.

    Strange how the muslim countries cope with wearing lots of cloths in hot weather, it's actually cooler wearing things like cotten. Sweat keeps you cool.

    It needs to evaporate. When your shirt is soaked with sweat, remove it. You will immediately feel cooler.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me. >> So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.

    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see. >> >
    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.

    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.

    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.

    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    Oh and then there's porn but no one watches that do they ?
    That's not a sport, that's admiration.

    or wishful thinking.

    Same thing.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Aug 16 00:27:11 2022
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:02:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 01:35:04 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:11:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.
    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room.
    Get an air conditioner like me. I can't sleep above 20C. Only cost me £400. It's fucking wonderful to have ice cold air being blasted into the house.
    I did jave a portable one , the ones I've seen made a lot of noise so I couldn;t sleep due to the noise .
    But I guess yuo get used to the noise.

    You turn it off at night, make the house cool enough before you go to bed.

    Which do you have ?

    This: https://apnardeal.com/ads/chigo-1-5-ton-portable-air-conditioner-ac-15000-btu/

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 16 05:36:52 2022
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 21:05:31 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:09:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 00:23:52 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:06:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary chute.


    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much.
    It happens often, very easy to tangle the first chute. I tangled mine on the second jump, it was very windy, almost windy enough for them to abandon the jump, I leapt out of the plane and was hit by a strong gust of wind which made me and the
    parachute face different directions. I spun round several times, realised the problem, looked up and saw the twisted lines, and kicked to spin myself the other way. I was congratulated on good control. If that had failed I would haven needed the second
    chute.

    Interesting not sure if I'd like it, I don't like heights on a ladder or looking directly down when on a tall building,
    but being on a plane I'm OK.
    I think that's the difference of vertigo and heights.
    A friend of mine gets dizzy when looking up at tall building but is OK looking down from one.
    When I was 4000 feet in the air, looking down didn't seem high, the ground was so small it just looked like some kind of model setup. And hanging from the chute with steering controls, I felt more like I was in a vehicle than floating mid air.
    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.
    It's lies damn lies and statistics. You can feel yourself concentrating better for the first few drinks before it goes downhill. It actually improves your health too unless you're more than FOUR times over the recommended amount.

    yeah the recommenced amount is a bit odd, I've only seen double once but didn;t feel as drunk as on a few other occasions.
    As I drink more far away things become slightly out of focus, but not bad enough cause a problem. I thought my sight was going until I realised it was ok on the rare occasion I was sober.

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.


    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.
    I meant "done" not "one".
    OK

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.
    Inferior people. Why would you fall asleep when concentrating and not in a bed? Do you also do a shit when your trousers aren't down and you're not sitting on the throne?

    I haven't but know someone that did. I think the beer was off I could hardly finish the first pint.
    A few 100 years ago in london you could rent a place to sleep and the cheapest ones they stood you up tied a rope around you so you
    wouldn;t fall down . They could pack more people in a room that way. think is was the 1700-1800s saw it on TV.
    I'd had to have missed a few night's sleep before that would work for me.
    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.
    It must be a major inconvenience. I would never wear specs, I'd get contacts or laser surgery.

    Thought about both but laser surgery sometimes needs doing again after 5+ years.
    I can really watch TV with reading glasses on so not sure I;'d like contacts for just reading.
    Don't you get varifocal contacts? Or do what my Aunt does. Contacts so distance is ok, then add glasses for short range stuff only, without having to remove the contacts.

    They do but I don;t feel the need for them.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.
    Do the lenses look like you could buy two similar pairs of different power and swap one of the lenses over?

    They don't look easy to take out.

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..
    I like strip lights, no shadows.

    We have magnifying glasses with a ring of LED's called helping hands with 3 croc-clips for holding things,
    makes soldering so much easier .
    Yes I use those, but without the LED ring. I have decent room lighting anyway. I've got 200 watts of LEDs (which would be equivalent to 1.5kW of incandescent) in my living room which is 7m x 3.5m. Plus some UV lights as the parrots can see UV.

    I don't do much soldering at home, have LEDs lighting at work now sure what the rating is but I tend to have them dimmed a bit anyway.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further
    along, you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .



    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life. >> >> >> >> Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up , and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.

    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .


    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing? >> >> >
    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.

    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that. From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.



    If you're horny, there are nudist camps where sex is commonplace. I was told about one in France where they have different sections. You can have no sex, heterosexual sex, group sex, homosexual sex, all sorts. And you know the others in that area
    are all like minded.

    TG is like that I was there once and one guy was wanking himself off while watching a couple hang weights to their genitals.
    One girl was laying on a cross and having dildos inserted into her by whoever wanted to, one bloke was being whipped.
    someone in their twenties (I think) was kissing my girlfriends shoes apparently he had a shoe fetish, was well into it for about 20 mins we just found it funny.
    Another guy who was wearing a blue miniskirt and nothing else had a heart attack and died it was in the news sometime in the 90s
    I kept a cutout of the report but they got it wrong as they said he was in a nappy and he wasn't. I remember seeing him at some point sitting down, not sure if he was dead at that point though.
    Do you know what caused the heart attack?

    No, but he looked to be in his 70s, police looked into it but didn;t find anything suspicious. Wasn't drink or drug related.

    One girl had a shiny PVC nuns habit outfit on with the white hat, her eyes we visible and she'd cut holes where her tits were out and crotch
    were showing and that was it, every other part of her body was covered up.

    Do you watch naked attraction on TV ?
    Is that the blind date for naked people? I watched one and found it rather boring.

    Yeah I like tattoos (well some) but don;t have any myself or piercings.
    Same here, they look cool but I hate needles!

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 16 06:19:12 2022
    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 00:27:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:02:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 01:35:04 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:11:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.
    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room. >> Get an air conditioner like me. I can't sleep above 20C. Only cost me £400. It's fucking wonderful to have ice cold air being blasted into the house.
    I did jave a portable one , the ones I've seen made a lot of noise so I couldn;t sleep due to the noise .
    But I guess yuo get used to the noise.
    You turn it off at night, make the house cool enough before you go to bed.

    Wonder why they didn;t do that in Athens which is where I was, noise bloody ting it I wasn;t even in the same room as it.


    Which do you have ?

    This: https://apnardeal.com/ads/chigo-1-5-ton-portable-air-conditioner-ac-15000-btu/

    Maybe I'll get one next time not much point now but it looks a bit big and bulky.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 16 06:16:18 2022
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.


    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume. >> >> Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    If, Jim might not know or care.
    I guess she'd have to time things right.

    wouldn't be to difficult, but I did find the 'logic a bit odd, but she was french and female they all seems a bit weird,
    well most of the ones I've met anyway.
    A French exchange student (who was supposed to help teach us French) when I was at school fucked one of my friends in the swimming pool. For some reason they actually drained it and cleaned it! Don't think she got into much trouble, they weren't
    obsessed with ages back then.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO , but gernally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)


    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .



    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.

    How can a natural thing be bad for you? Suntan is your skin adkusting the amount that gets through.

    and even over that last 30 years more UVA and UVB has been getting through due to the destruction of the ozone layer.

    Strange how the muslim countries cope with wearing lots of cloths in hot weather, it's actually cooler wearing things like cotten. Sweat keeps you cool.
    It needs to evaporate. When your shirt is soaked with sweat, remove it. You will immediately feel cooler.

    For a while until the sun starts burning your skin.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination . >> >> No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy. >> They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays.

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.
    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.

    and probbaly quite natural ;-)


    Oh and then there's porn but no one watches that do they ?
    That's not a sport, that's admiration.

    or wishful thinking.
    Same thing.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 17 02:18:47 2022
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 21:05:31 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:09:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 00:23:52 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:06:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 22:42:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:41:45 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But what if the wind blows you off course of the chute wasn;t corectly packed in the first place.
    It's up to you to account for wind, you're taught that. Incorrectly packed chutes ain't gonna happen from people who've done it thousands of times. If they do, it'll be obvious that's why it went wrong, and you'd come down on your secondary
    chute.

    Two chutes seems a bit of crazy elf and sofety if it doesn;t happen much.
    It happens often, very easy to tangle the first chute. I tangled mine on the second jump, it was very windy, almost windy enough for them to abandon the jump, I leapt out of the plane and was hit by a strong gust of wind which made me and the
    parachute face different directions. I spun round several times, realised the problem, looked up and saw the twisted lines, and kicked to spin myself the other way. I was congratulated on good control. If that had failed I would haven needed the second
    chute.

    Interesting not sure if I'd like it, I don't like heights on a ladder or looking directly down when on a tall building,
    but being on a plane I'm OK.
    I think that's the difference of vertigo and heights.
    A friend of mine gets dizzy when looking up at tall building but is OK looking down from one.
    When I was 4000 feet in the air, looking down didn't seem high, the ground was so small it just looked like some kind of model setup. And hanging from the chute with steering controls, I felt more like I was in a vehicle than floating mid air.
    I'ts also a perception on what is perfectly fine.
    Most people that drink and drive never really think oh I;'m too drunk to drive.
    I know I'm not due to the quality of driving that ensued.

    Strange that , alcohol is known to affect people perception.
    It's lies damn lies and statistics. You can feel yourself concentrating better for the first few drinks before it goes downhill. It actually improves your health too unless you're more than FOUR times over the recommended amount.

    yeah the recommenced amount is a bit odd, I've only seen double once but didn;t feel as drunk as on a few other occasions.
    As I drink more far away things become slightly out of focus, but not bad enough cause a problem. I thought my sight was going until I realised it was ok on the rare occasion I was sober.

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.

    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.

    Odd, that didn't change for me.

    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.

    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    I can get sleepy after drinking a lot, used to do that at work too, falling asleep after lunchtime and that was after 5 pints of snakebite & black.
    Ah sleep, sleep has been proven to cause as many accidents as drinking. Yet you don't see thousands one for sleepy driving.

    It happens.
    I meant "done" not "one".
    OK

    I cannot fall asleep at the wheel. I can only sleep when perfectly motionless and horizontal and not thinking about anything. Why on earth would you fall asleep when concentrating on the car and sitting upright!?

    People have fallen asleep at the wheel.
    Inferior people. Why would you fall asleep when concentrating and not in a bed? Do you also do a shit when your trousers aren't down and you're not sitting on the throne?

    I haven't but know someone that did. I think the beer was off I could hardly finish the first pint.
    A few 100 years ago in london you could rent a place to sleep and the cheapest ones they stood you up tied a rope around you so you
    wouldn;t fall down . They could pack more people in a room that way. think is was the 1700-1800s saw it on TV.
    I'd had to have missed a few night's sleep before that would work for me.
    I wear reading glasses when on the computer, just makes things easier than enlarging the text a little.

    Do you have poor eyesight?

    Don;t think so, can't easily tell some colours on resistors without glasses.
    Then you have poor eyesight.

    Lots of people have poor eyesight then but it doesn;t stop most of us doing things.
    It must be a major inconvenience. I would never wear specs, I'd get contacts or laser surgery.

    Thought about both but laser surgery sometimes needs doing again after 5+ years.
    I can really watch TV with reading glasses on so not sure I;'d like contacts for just reading.
    Don't you get varifocal contacts? Or do what my Aunt does. Contacts so distance is ok, then add glasses for short range stuff only, without having to remove the contacts.

    They do but I don;t feel the need for them.

    Well if you only need glasses for short range, no point in contacts.

    I think it;'s lack of depth of field is the cause.
    Most common problem, the eye muscles weaken with age. Run Folding@Home they're doing research into eye muscles.
    My brother has always work glasses well since leaving school.
    I just by the cheap ones in Aldi or wherever they seem OK.
    Yip, you just need to know the power of each lens required, no need for opticians. As your eyes change you buy the next one up. Not sure if you can get glasses in Aldi that have a different lens for each eye? Or can you swap the lenses yourself?

    No idea +1.5 or + 2 are my preferred ones, I have about 5 from +1 to +3 , the pair at work are +1.5
    don;t think Aldi to them with different lenses for each eye.
    Do the lenses look like you could buy two similar pairs of different power and swap one of the lenses over?

    They don't look easy to take out.

    I have ridiculously high resolution eyesight, I can read the numbers on SMD devices from a fair distance when others are using magnifying glasses.
    Those can be easier to see than the grey text on 74 series chips.
    You just need to move the light source or tilt the chip for those. They reflect too much.

    Yes the light source is important..
    I like strip lights, no shadows.

    We have magnifying glasses with a ring of LED's called helping hands with 3 croc-clips for holding things,
    makes soldering so much easier .
    Yes I use those, but without the LED ring. I have decent room lighting anyway. I've got 200 watts of LEDs (which would be equivalent to 1.5kW of incandescent) in my living room which is 7m x 3.5m. Plus some UV lights as the parrots can see UV.

    I don't do much soldering at home, have LEDs lighting at work now sure what the rating is but I tend to have them dimmed a bit anyway.

    For me that's proof that time travel can't be done.

    No it isn't. Probably just not invented yet.

    But if you can travel forward in time then the future has alreay happened.
    No, it will have happened when you get there, but not for someone who didn't travel. Time is not exactly the same everywhere.

    It can't be like that as the place/person has to exist before you get there.
    If you think of it as another dimension like distance, it all becomes clear. You're driving along a really long road, others are further ahead, others are further behind. You see different scenery to others. But you know when you get further
    along, you'll see different things. You wouldn't say "those things don't exist I can't see them". You know others are already seeing them and you will later. And of course you can change the speed of travel, or even go the other way.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .

    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life. >> >> >> >> >> Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then go
    forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up,

    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.

    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.

    They can't get through steel.

    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .

    Depends on the capacity.

    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag.

    It's not plastic. Plastic is the crap you showed me them wearing in the club.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing? >> >> >> >
    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.

    It's hardly evolution to require something extra.

    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.

    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer temperature
    water.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Aug 20 17:16:56 2022
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    A friend of mine tried vodka and he started to get violent and argumentative it's the only think he reacts badly too, he can drink
    6 pints of beer without a problem. Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.


    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then
    go forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.

    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .
    Depends on the capacity.
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples. >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag.
    It's not plastic. Plastic is the crap you showed me them wearing in the club.
    Mostly PVC and things like it .


    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural. >> >
    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.
    It's hardly evolution to require something extra.

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.

    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought of it!


    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer temperature
    water.

    Swimmers have their body hair , some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Aug 21 22:01:11 2022
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.

    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.

    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    And why did you go out with them if they were annoying?

    Well it was fun.
    One french GF said that when she gets married and has children she doesn't want her husband to be the father of her children as that would give him power over her.
    She wasn't referring to me, well I don't think so.
    Wow. She wants to get pregnant with John and marry Jim? What happens when John wants to see the kids?
    John would never know he had kids so wouldn't be a problem I assume. >> >> >> Until Jim says something, and the kids start hunting down their real dad.

    If, Jim might not know or care.
    I guess she'd have to time things right.

    wouldn't be to difficult, but I did find the 'logic a bit odd, but she was french and female they all seems a bit weird,
    well most of the ones I've met anyway.
    A French exchange student (who was supposed to help teach us French) when I was at school fucked one of my friends in the swimming pool. For some reason they actually drained it and cleaned it! Don't think she got into much trouble, they weren't
    obsessed with ages back then.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .

    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.

    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)

    I hate that program.

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.

    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .

    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 22 05:40:00 2022
    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.


    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.
    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    Yes you can inherit fatness just like you can inteligence or athleticism and many other things.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 24 02:46:55 2022
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:19:12 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 00:27:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:02:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 01:35:04 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:11:30 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 04:40:39 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---stuff I'll answer later---

    You're up at 3:30am! You're getting as bad as me.
    too hot to sleep, not to keen on this hot weather 30C at 2am in my room. >> >> Get an air conditioner like me. I can't sleep above 20C. Only cost me £400. It's fucking wonderful to have ice cold air being blasted into the house.
    I did jave a portable one , the ones I've seen made a lot of noise so I couldn;t sleep due to the noise .
    But I guess yuo get used to the noise.
    You turn it off at night, make the house cool enough before you go to bed.

    Wonder why they didn;t do that in Athens which is where I was, noise bloody ting it I wasn;t even in the same room as it.

    Maybe it wasn't powerful enough to cool it rapidly during the evening.

    Which do you have ?

    This: https://apnardeal.com/ads/chigo-1-5-ton-portable-air-conditioner-ac-15000-btu/

    Maybe I'll get one next time not much point now but it looks a bit big and bulky.

    It's about two thirds of the width of a washing machine. And quite loud. To get something powerful and quiet is over a grand, that was only £400.

    And don't pay for professional fitting. The one I linked to is portable and ready to run, but when you buy the proper big ones with a part outside and a part inside, you can connect the hoses through your wall yourself then just pay someone to fill it.
    The pressurizing equipment is a bit expensive to get yourself. Or, some of them are pre-pressurized, with enough spare gas to fill the pipes you connect inbetween.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 24 06:25:07 2022
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.

    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.

    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    A friend of mine tried vodka and he started to get violent and argumentative it's the only think he reacts badly too, he can drink
    6 pints of beer without a problem.

    Illogical, it's all ethanol.

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.

    But the Irish are always like that.

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.

    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.

    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account, then
    go forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.

    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .
    Depends on the capacity.
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg
    You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag. >> It's not plastic. Plastic is the crap you showed me them wearing in the club.
    Mostly PVC and things like it .

    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural. >> >> >
    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.
    It's hardly evolution to require something extra.

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.

    The hair isn't needed, neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).

    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought of
    it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer temperature
    water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.

    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Aug 25 06:49:20 2022
    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    means nothing, if you're over the limit you are over the limit it's a mathematical fact, persaution as nothing to do with it.


    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    He was one of the cleverest students we've had a built a digitizer for displaying pictures on a BBC computer, he used to show it off at
    computer exibitions as it ran and updated the screen with images from the star wars films , it copied everything from an ROM installed in the computer.

    I very much doubt intoxication has any link to inteligence other than the less inteligent tend to believe it.


    A friend of mine tried vodka and he started to get violent and argumentative it's the only think he reacts badly too, he can drink
    6 pints of beer without a problem.
    Illogical, it's all ethanol.

    He can drink whisky and just about any other spirit without becoming angry .

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.
    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    I know someone that loves coffee but hates coffee flavoured things like ice cream, quality street and the like type sweets.
    He threw up once after eating a coffee sweet from a box of roses or similar. It was quite funny.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.
    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    I think they know about it, it also part of the light where a star can be 32 billion light years away but the universe's is only 13.8 billion l years old .
    I was reading about it as the james webb telescope first pictures came it. Can't say I truely understood the paper but sort of got the point that it wasn;t as sinple as I first thought and with gravatational lensing
    and redshift which isn;t that difficult to understand.


    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account,
    then go forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.
    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    I've been on jury service you can;t really out smart the police it's more that they don;t have enough evidence for a jury to convict on.
    That's why she got off with not proven, which is differnt from not giulty.

    The dealers ttry to stay one spep ahead but it;s more to do with the number of attempts on getting drugs through.
    Not everything is checked at shipping ports and lots more drugs get through than is found.
    You just have to make sure nothing leads back to you as a dealer.



    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .
    Depends on the capacity.
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg >> >> >> >> You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag.
    It's not plastic. Plastic is the crap you showed me them wearing in the club.
    Mostly PVC and things like it .
    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    Most shell suits are some shitty type of plastic .

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.
    It's hardly evolution to require something extra.

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.
    The hair isn't needed,

    Hair is needed or we wouldn't have it.
    Which countries are those where people walked around naked, there aren't any there's a reason for that.
    Most animals are naked but maybe that's because genrally they have an IQl ess than that of a 3 year-old child.

    neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).
    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought of
    it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer temperature
    water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.
    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

    Bicycles aren't natural though they don;t grow on trees, same with motorbikes so people wear protective gear for when they fall off.
    Chutes aren;t natural but if you won;t to go up in an unnatrual hieght in an unnatural plane you seem to want to wear such an unnatural thing.

    That's the thing humans have eveolved not to live in the natural environment. But if yuor life is more like an chgimps with a lower IQ than most humans you'll be quite happy spending yuor time sitting around naked
    and wanking yourself off, but us evolved humans havea much richer lifestyle even if we'll destroy ourselves in the not too distant future.
    The Natural world will carry on, just like it did 65 million years ago, it'll just change and those most siuted to that change will prosper.


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Aug 30 03:02:24 2022
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .

    I have a whip app on my phone. It makes a noise when i shake the phone hard.

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes

    Because they're idiots. I run in shorts and bare feet.

    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.

    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.

    Legistale?

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.

    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    How can a natural thing be bad for you? Suntan is your skin adkusting the amount that gets through.

    and even over that last 30 years more UVA and UVB has been getting through due to the destruction of the ozone layer.

    And our skin adapts accordingly by getting a deeper tan.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination . >> >> >> No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.

    Then pick one that requires some constant input, like trying not to fall off the windsurf.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.

    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy. >> >> They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.

    Every time you overtake someone it's fun. And it's nice to see spectators cheering at your bare chest. I got hosed down on a hot day when running a marathon, a woman had produced a hosepipe and was cooling off anyone who wanted it.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays.

    First maybe, but you need to do something yourself to remember it.

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    and probbaly quite natural ;-)

    Royalty isn't natural.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 30 05:26:03 2022
    On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 03:02:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .
    I have a whip app on my phone. It makes a noise when i shake the phone hard.

    I prefer the real thing rather than this simulation stuff ;-)

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes
    Because they're idiots. I run in shorts and bare feet.

    Animals run with bare feet , some have evolved into hooves , while others have differing toes and some have fingers others have paws.
    But as yet we haven't eveloved foot that run well on concrete or tarmac, some have webbing between their toes I assume you don;t.
    . Of course there are even more modern things such as glass , metal even plastic (lego bricks) that are very painful if trodden on.
    We even put shoes on horses .

    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    Go up to around 38C in london a couple of weeks ago.
    I thought you'd be running in direct sunlight .


    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.
    Legistale?

    Legistate, or how they decide what is fair and what isn't such as amphetamine sulphate or even marijuana


    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.
    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    Only after it's burnt and if doesn't really affect the amount of UV especaily UV B

    How can a natural thing be bad for you? Suntan is your skin adkusting the amount that gets through.

    and even over that last 30 years more UVA and UVB has been getting through due to the destruction of the ozone layer.
    And our skin adapts accordingly by getting a deeper tan.

    After the effect, not before it's like putting water on a burning house to stop it burning.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage. >> >> So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination . >> >> >> No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.
    Then pick one that requires some constant input, like trying not to fall off the windsurf.

    Doesn;t seem to be a naturla thing to do if I needed to do things on water I'd be like jesus or
    I'd have webbede feet.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.
    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Who's ashamed, are you ashamed to take a dump outside the local pub ?

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.
    Every time you overtake someone it's fun. And it's nice to see spectators cheering at your bare chest. I got hosed down on a hot day when running a marathon, a woman had produced a hosepipe and was cooling off anyone who wanted it.

    I guess so btu I wouldn't want to spend much of my time doing it.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play. >> >> That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays.
    First maybe, but you need to do something yourself to remember it.

    Yep and then learn how to do it better, and there's sports science which we do here.
    Also watching a video of yourself so you can see how to improve.
    Even animals learn from watching .

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.
    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    Not much to it then.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.
    The Queen skydived?!
    and probbaly quite natural ;-)
    Royalty isn't natural.

    Most animals have some sort of hierarchie and the more inteligent don't put the dumbest
    as their leaders unlike humans.

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  • From Ken Hart@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 30 17:38:47 2022
    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really.  Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

     There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
     Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's


    and probbaly quite natural ;-)

    Royalty isn't natural.


    --
    Ken Hart
    kwhart1@centurylink.net

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ken Hart on Tue Aug 30 23:42:26 2022
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Aug 31 04:44:33 2022
    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.

    99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.

    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.

    Glass is heavier than water.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.

    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.

    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.
    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    Yes you can inherit fatness just like you can inteligence or athleticism and many other things.

    Weirdly you can inherit fitness you've created. You can decide to do loads of exercise, then that gets passed onto your kids.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?

    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?

    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.

    So can nutritionists. Look at the number of times they changed their minds which fats were best for you.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 31 07:53:27 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >>>>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 07:39:41 2022
    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >>>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really.  Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

     There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
     Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 08:25:03 2022
    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really.  Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc. >>>>>
     There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
     Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same.  I found on Instagram someone in London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is
    the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:- https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    D.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 31 21:23:03 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net> >>>> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >>>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc. >>>>>>
    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>> anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At >>>>> least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin. >>
    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is
    the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:- https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Gordon Freeman on Wed Aug 31 22:33:22 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:25:58 +0100, Gordon Freeman <Gordon@freeman.invalid> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    And they both like to ham it up. Could they be related?

    Putin is winning a world war and the west is too ignorant to see it. Look at the prices of fuel worldwide! You don't fight a war by refusing to buy stuff, you fight a war by blowing stuff up.

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  • From Gordon Freeman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 21:25:58 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    And they both like to ham it up. Could they be related?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 31 22:51:27 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >>>>>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>>>>>> etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>>>> anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At >>>>>>> least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like
    Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London >>>> who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is >>>> the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?

    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message.

    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there. First time I saw him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle. I said "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 22:36:17 2022
    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> >>> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwhart1@centurylink.net> >>>>> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >>>>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really.  Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>>>>> etc.

     There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>>> anything like that ?
     Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At >>>>>> least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like
    Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same.  I found on Instagram someone in London >>> who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is
    the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth.  I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?

    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 23:23:50 2022
    On 31/08/2022 22:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> >>> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks
    <David@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart
    <kwhart1@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took >>>>>>>>>> you up
    and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really.  Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>>>>>>> etc.

     There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>>>>> anything like that ?
     Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be >>>>>>>>>> that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt
    double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like >>>>> Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same.  I found on Instagram someone in
    London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is >>>>> the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth.  I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?

    I hardly ever use it.  I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some companies to get free vouchers.  When I say talk, I just sent a message.

    Ah! I thought you meant like Facebook Messenger. The video/talk facility
    there is superb nowadays. We find it better than Apple FaceTime.

    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D  Great fun!

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there.  First time I saw
    him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle.  I said
    "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

    Fun! 🙂

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 31 23:37:40 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:23:50 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 22:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks
    <David@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart
    <kwhart1@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took >>>>>>>>>>> you up
    and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>>>>>>>> etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>>>>>> anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be >>>>>>>>>>> that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt
    double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like >>>>>> Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in
    London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is >>>>>> the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?

    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some
    companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message.

    Ah! I thought you meant like Facebook Messenger. The video/talk facility there is superb nowadays. We find it better than Apple FaceTime.

    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down photos from Iphone users!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 31 23:49:26 2022
    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything.  They even fucked up the jpeg standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down
    photos from Iphone users!


    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu Sep 1 00:53:16 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:49:26 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg
    standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down
    photos from Iphone users!


    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!

    No I'm referring to jpegs. Apple decided they'd add a new proprietary flag at the start of the file saying "this should be displayed rotated 90 degrees to the right", which of course was ignored by everything non-Apple. We were fine before, the file
    was saved the right way up in the first place, Apple invented something for which there's no known use.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu Sep 1 00:59:13 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:49:26 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg
    standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down
    photos from Iphone users!

    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!

    Again and again Apple screw everything up. And the silly little Apple worshippers suck it in.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/18/22629703/apple-magsafe-charging-mfi-standard-accessory

    Almost a year in, Apple’s charging tech has barely trickled out

    It’s been almost a year since Apple first debuted the iPhone 12 lineup, and introduced its MagSafe accessory system. So where are all the MagSafe chargers?

    Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of accessory developers making cases, wallets, car mounts, desk stands, and even magnetic Qi chargers and battery packs that work with MagSafe — but almost no actual MagSafe accessories.

    And that’s a big difference because of how Apple has designed the MagSafe standard. Anyone can wirelessly charge an iPhone 12 device using a Qi charger at Apple’s standard rate of 7.5W. Magnets, being a physical phenomenon, are even more universal,
    meaning that device manufacturers can easily stick an iPhone 12 and a Qi charger together. (Many already have.)

    The MagSafe Battery Pack looks a little funny on an iPhone 12 Pro Max
    But those two things alone don’t make a wireless charger a MagSafe charger; actual, Apple-approved MagSafe chargers offer a charging speed that’s twice as fast, up to 15W. And that’s only available on a paltry handful of accessories: Apple’s
    official charging cable, Apple’s MagSafe Duo charger, Apple’s official MagSafe battery pack (even then, only when it’s plugged in), and a pair of pricey Belkin stands.

    Theoretically, there’s no reason that Apple has to restrict 15W charging to official MagSafe chargers. Any number of Qi chargers are available that offer 15W charging speeds and work with a plethora of devices. Some of them are even made by Apple’s
    MagSafe-approved partners, leading to awkward product lineups where some MagSafe-capable 15W chargers sit side by side on a website with identical-looking 7.5W, MagSafe-compatible wireless chargers that won’t charge your phone as fast.

    This Belkin charger has MagSafe, costs $99, and charges an iPhone 12 at 15W. Image: Belkin
    This Belkin charger has magnets, costs $35, and charges an iPhone 12 at 7.5W. Image: Belkin
    The reason appears to be simple: Apple hasn’t actually let anyone else make MagSafe chargers yet. According to ChargerLab — a wireless-charging-focused site that’s obtained details and a unit for Apple’s MagSafe modules — Apple is only allowing
    MagSafe chargers to be built using an MFi-approved module.

    Much like the Apple Watch charger (and to some extent, Lighting cables), Apple works with factories to provide the basic parts here, which developers can then integrate into a charging station or mount. Technically, there’s not a huge difference
    between offering a slot for a MagSafe cable versus the integrated module; the advantage is largely in size and cost, allowing for accessories that are smaller, cheaper, and nicer to use than the awkward, kludged-together options we have today.

    An image of Apple’s MagSafe module for device makers. Image: ChargerLab
    But crucially, the company only announced that it would be offering the modules on June 22nd, almost nine months after the iPhone 12 launched. Hardware developers were only then able to apply to get their hands on samples and apply to get true MagSafe
    products approved (which will presumably take even more time), followed by actually manufacturing and shipping those accessories, which could take months by itself.

    It’s a similar timetable that we’ve seen with other proprietary Apple chargers. Apple didn’t offer developers the option to build their own integrated Apple Watch products until July 2015, four months after the Watch hit the market, and it took
    almost a year after that until the first third-party products arrived with the proprietary charger built in. Those products have proven to be excellent options for consumers, offering functionality that Apple didn’t, like integration with other
    wireless charging pads, removable cables, or a built-in power bank. But because of how Apple’s system works, it took months for them to arrive.

    Or take USB-C to Lightning cables, where Apple first started selling its own models in fall of 2016 — but only opened the gates to developers in December 2018, with the first cables showing up a few months later in early 2019.

    Each time, that slow start has had direct consequences: a lack of diversity and competition in the products you can buy. Apple’s virtual monopoly on accessories in the first months or years means customers have fewer — and worse — options for their
    brand-new iPhones.

    There’s still no MagSafe car mounts that will charge your iPhone 12 at full speed, even a year after launch — perhaps the most blindingly obvious use of MagSafe. The closest Apple-sanctioned accessory is a magnetic car mount that just holds up (but
    doesn’t charge) your phone. And if you want a MagSafe charger for your desk or nightstand that can prop your iPhone up, you’re limited to bulkier workarounds that require threading through an existing Apple-bought cable (or Belkin’s two options,
    which are usually even pricier). Apple spent the better part of the year without giving access to developers to build their own products, while also not working to build anything on its own to fill those niches, either.

    Six months later, there still isn’t a MagSafe car charger
    And while developers can try to keep up with Apple, like Anker’s MagSafe-compatible battery pack, they’re not playing on a level field without access to the MagSafe modules that Apple is rationing out. Forget Apple’s software additions that make
    its MagSafe battery pack more useful than a third-party option: right now, Apple’s pack is the only one that can even charge an iPhone at full speed, and even then, only while it’s plugged in with specific adapters and capable cords. It’s the sort
    of area where competition could lead to better products.

    Maybe a third-party can figure out a way to provide full-speed charging from a battery pack that Apple didn’t, or simply offer things at a lower price point or with a larger battery than Apple’s pack offers.

    That, of course, assumes that Apple even lets competitors make officially approved MagSafe battery packs. The company’s MFi program means that developers have to get their hardware approved by Apple and be built using Apple-approved parts from Apple-
    approved factories. (Apple also gets a fee from each product, of course.) And if the company doesn’t like a design, it can simply withhold its seal of approval and the necessary parts.

    Of course, proprietary Apple chargers are nothing new, and while today’s MagSafe licensing feels slow, it’s better than things used to be. The original iteration of MagSafe on laptops wasn’t licensed out to third party companies at all: if you
    wanted a spare charger or to charge your Mac from an external battery pack, you were pretty much out of luck.

    The most famous example of this is accessory maker Sanho, which famously bought $79 MagSafe chargers, disassembled them, and used the original cable to allow Mac owners to charge their computers with its HyperMac batteries. Apple then sued Sanho, which
    was forced to come up with a workaround that instructed customers to buy their own chargers and modify the cables themselves.

    But a year out, it’s hard to feel like MagSafe isn’t a missed opportunity for Apple. When the iPhone 12 first came out, MagSafe looked like a way for the company to build an ecosystem of snap-on modular accessories, the sort of thing that Motorola
    had tried and failed to accomplish with its Moto Mods system. There were visions of port-less iPhones that could rely on MagSafe exclusively for charging and connecting to external devices.

    But instead of that thriving new accessory ecosystem, Apple has effectively left us with a handful of Apple-designed cables. It makes Apple’s magnetic standard look less like a stepping stone to the portless future, and more like another brick in Appleâ
    €™s walled garden.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 2 05:02:18 2022
    On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 23:42:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's
    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    or ryan giggs ;-)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62557277

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 2 05:28:12 2022
    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 04:44:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.
    99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Not sure if that's true in todays world in the UK anyway.

    There;s same sex marriages and if so called normal mairages have changed .
    Not sure what you mean buy in the normal way far more married women go out to work than used to 50 years ago.
    And far more people just live together in what uo might call the normal way. And when they split it doesn't get registatred as a divorce or an end to
    people living together in the normal way.




    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.
    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    Yes I can imagine, there's always been the battle axe type but I also think women have become more aggressive over recent times.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.
    Glass is heavier than water.

    But brushing it up moves it around, and yuo could never be sire you'd get it all, it's not like it just falls in a nice neat pile below the window.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.
    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    Who tested you ? I did an online test years ago aftter a few beers got about 133 a friend who got 140 but he only failed to get into MENSA by a few points.
    Not sure I;d trust any figure unless it was an offically done test.


    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.
    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Most kids seem to what a brother or a sister.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.
    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    Yes you can inherit fatness just like you can inteligence or athleticism and many other things.

    Weirdly you can inherit fitness you've created. You can decide to do loads of exercise, then that gets passed onto your kids.


    Yep even looks and interests to some extent. Kids can be interested in what their parents do and in the earlier years follow what they do.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?
    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    It's for people with little imagination.

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?
    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    That's why brown fat is consiideredd good but you cna only generate a certain amount of it, then it goes to white fat
    which doen't get burnt up as easlity and this is when people but on weight and get fat.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins. >> >
    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.
    So can nutritionists. Look at the number of times they changed their minds which fats were best for you.

    Yes and even how much excercise

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 2 05:33:04 2022
    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 07:53:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >>>>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc. >>>>
    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig
    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    A girl in a club I was in mistook me for arnold Schwarzenegger, all I said was "I'll be back" and she pointed to me and said "arnold Schwarzenegger" well I didn't argue ;-)

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 2 05:53:56 2022
    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 22:51:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> >> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >>>>>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>>>>>> etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or >>>>>>>>> anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >>>>>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At >>>>>>> least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like >>>> Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London >>>> who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is >>>> the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?
    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message.
    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

    yes that was good.

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there. First time I saw him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle. I said "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

    This is what happened to a unicyclist near where I live.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/i-m-lucky-to-be-alive-says-unicyclist-who-was-freed-from-under-bus-in-walthamstow-10290615.html

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 2 06:08:24 2022
    On Thursday, 1 September 2022 at 00:59:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:49:26 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg
    standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down
    photos from Iphone users!

    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!
    Again and again Apple screw everything up. And the silly little Apple worshippers suck it in.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/18/22629703/apple-magsafe-charging-mfi-standard-accessory

    Almost a year in, Apple’s charging tech has barely trickled out

    It was out in 2006 for laptops .



    It’s been almost a year since Apple first debuted the iPhone 12 lineup, and introduced its MagSafe accessory system. So where are all the MagSafe chargers?

    Guess they are expensive to do things that way and the p[oundshop people haven't quite managed to make one.



    Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of accessory developers making cases, wallets, car mounts, desk stands, and even magnetic Qi chargers and battery packs that work with MagSafe — but almost no actual MagSafe accessories.

    what sort of accessories would you want a car charger ?


    And that’s a big difference because of how Apple has designed the MagSafe standard. Anyone can wirelessly charge an iPhone 12 device using a Qi charger at Apple’s standard rate of 7.5W. Magnets, being a physical phenomenon, are even more universal,
    meaning that device manufacturers can easily stick an iPhone 12 and a Qi charger together. (Many already have.)

    The MagSafe Battery Pack looks a little funny on an iPhone 12 Pro Max
    But those two things alone don’t make a wireless charger a MagSafe charger; actual, Apple-approved MagSafe chargers offer a charging speed that’s twice as fast, up to 15W. And that’s only available on a paltry handful of accessories: Apple’s
    official charging cable, Apple’s MagSafe Duo charger, Apple’s official MagSafe battery pack (even then, only when it’s plugged in), and a pair of pricey Belkin stands.

    Theoretically, there’s no reason that Apple has to restrict 15W charging to official MagSafe chargers. Any number of Qi chargers are available that offer 15W charging speeds and work with a plethora of devices. Some of them are even made by Apple’s
    MagSafe-approved partners, leading to awkward product lineups where some MagSafe-capable 15W chargers sit side by side on a website with identical-looking 7.5W, MagSafe-compatible wireless chargers that won’t charge your phone as fast.

    This Belkin charger has MagSafe, costs $99, and charges an iPhone 12 at 15W. Image: Belkin
    This Belkin charger has magnets, costs $35, and charges an iPhone 12 at 7.5W. Image: Belkin
    The reason appears to be simple: Apple hasn’t actually let anyone else make MagSafe chargers yet. According to ChargerLab — a wireless-charging-focused site that’s obtained details and a unit for Apple’s MagSafe modules — Apple is only
    allowing MagSafe chargers to be built using an MFi-approved module.

    So.




    But a year out, it’s hard to feel like MagSafe isn’t a missed opportunity for Apple. When the iPhone 12 first came out, MagSafe looked like a way for the company to build an ecosystem of snap-on modular accessories, the sort of thing that Motorola
    had tried and failed to accomplish with its Moto Mods system. There were visions of port-less iPhones that could rely on MagSafe exclusively for charging and connecting to external devices.

    They could have done a MS and tried to write an OS for a phone and fail.




    But instead of that thriving new accessory ecosystem, Apple has effectively left us with a handful of Apple-designed cables. It makes Apple’s magnetic standard look less like a stepping stone to the portless future, and more like another brick in
    Apple’s walled garden.

    What are these great accessories. ?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Fri Sep 2 17:49:48 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:02:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 23:42:36 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net> wrote: >>
    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >> >>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's
    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?
    or ryan giggs ;-)

    Giggs is nothing like them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62557277

    Doesn't look much like the Queen. Couldn't they have found a female skydiver?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Sep 4 05:02:13 2022
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    means nothing, if you're over the limit you are over the limit it's a mathematical fact, persaution as nothing to do with it.

    Bullshit. If they don't suspect I'm drunk, they don't do a breath test. One time I was actually very drunk and stoned at the same time, and almost tripped over the kerb while walking to their van. All I got done for was not wearing a seatbelt.

    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    He was one of the cleverest students we've had a built a digitizer for displaying pictures on a BBC computer, he used to show it off at
    computer exibitions as it ran and updated the screen with images from the star wars films , it copied everything from an ROM installed in the computer.

    I very much doubt intoxication has any link to inteligence other than the less inteligent tend to believe it.

    Maybe there are exceptions, but I find the dopey folk always get drunk more. If you have a weak brain, it's obviously more susceptible to things.

    A friend of mine tried vodka and he started to get violent and argumentative it's the only think he reacts badly too, he can drink
    6 pints of beer without a problem.
    Illogical, it's all ethanol.

    He can drink whisky and just about any other spirit without becoming angry .

    He must be allergic to something else in the drink then, and it's nothing to do with it being alcoholic. If you could produce vodka minus the ethanol, it would be interesting to see if that affected him.

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true

    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman
    asked if I wanted her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless. I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I told them to go fuck
    themselves.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Sep 4 08:03:22 2022
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.
    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    I know someone that loves coffee but hates coffee flavoured things like ice cream, quality street and the like type sweets.
    He threw up once after eating a coffee sweet from a box of roses or similar. It was quite funny.

    I can throw up on command.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.
    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    I think they know about it, it also part of the light where a star can be 32 billion light years away but the universe's is only 13.8 billion l years old .
    I was reading about it as the james webb telescope first pictures came it. Can't say I truely understood the paper but sort of got the point that it wasn;t as sinple as I first thought and with gravatational lensing
    and redshift which isn;t that difficult to understand.

    Link please, that sounds interesting. I'm running a lot of telescope data through my computers and have got rather interested in it.

    Why travel back all the way to now when the lottery winnings are smaller?

    Invest it, I;d go back and offer say van goth a few shilling for his sunflower or other stuff that no one wanted to buy.
    I don;t think he sold any pictures of his own during his life.
    Good point, invest it in the past then go forwards and collect the interest. In fact all you need to do is take some money you have now, go back as far as you can when those coins/notes are still valid, pay it into a bank account,
    then go forwards and take it out with interest.
    Yeah I've got a few components in the lab maybe I'll build a time machine ;-)
    I found some 64kbit RAM chips, want them? 16 pin DIL.

    Think I already have asome of those thanks.
    I can't think of what to do with them, I think they'll get recycled. No idea if they recycle individual chips. Melt them down into basic elements?

    Some have gold on the pins I know there's not much but it seems worth doing for old chips and connectors.
    They're in my "blue box" for the council. They stopped collecting it, but next time I take hedge clippings to the skip I'll ask. Also got busted hard disks, computer fans, USB sticks, etc.

    we have an electrical waste bin at work for such things.
    I have hard drives, one day I'll remove the circuit boards add some surface mount LEDs and a small battery and flashing circuit
    and frame it as art. Not sure I'll win a turner prize but one day I'll get around to it.
    A hard disk is very good for concealing marijuana. They're hermetically sealed so a dog won't smell it, and nobody at an airport would open one.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.
    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    I've been on jury service you can;t really out smart the police it's more that they don;t have enough evidence for a jury to convict on.

    They have not enough evidence because they're thick or lazy. Someone once smashed my car window and they couldn't even be bothered taking fingerprints. They said if I didn't know who it was, they couldn't do anything. A friend got every single window
    of her car smashed, but she figured out herself it was probably her daughter's ex boyfriend. Nice new top of the range Honda Civic aswell, must have cost a few grand to fix. Not sure who ended up paying.

    That's why she got off with not proven, which is differnt from not giulty.

    Either way she doesn't get a punishment.

    The dealers ttry to stay one spep ahead but it;s more to do with the number of attempts on getting drugs through.
    Not everything is checked at shipping ports and lots more drugs get through than is found.
    You just have to make sure nothing leads back to you as a dealer.

    It's fucking stupid they go after drugs at all. It's nobody's business what people put in their bodies.

    Who carries HDs norwerdays anyway most have SSDs .
    Depends on the capacity.
    But the girl looks way sexier with rock hard nipples.

    I quite like them dressed in PVC or latex , not so keen on leather.
    I don't like plastic, it's too artificial. Skimpy denim is better.
    https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/ariel-winter/heading-to-a-salon-in-west-hollywood/Ariel-Winter-in-Skimpy-Denim-Shorts--18.jpg

    I don;t like blue denim black is OK.
    Why?

    Not sure maybe it;s the sort that waer blue denim .
    I like girls in denim that's falling apart.
    I'ts like a really don't like denim that was featured by dexis midnight runners , don't like track suits either.
    The cheap shit plastic ones (shell suits?) are usually worn by people more likely to want a shag.

    The ali-G type , I just find people in those funny.
    Or hot.
    https://www.hotmilkvintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/39.jpg >> >> >> >> >> You'd give her one wouldn't you? And you can probably rip that shellsuit right off if you're in a hurry.

    Not sure I'd bother.
    You're not right in the head. I can see her being a right horny thing in bed and doing it all night.

    I just don;t find that look sexy.
    What she's wearing isn't really relevant anyway, it's what she looks like underneath.

    Could be pregnant ?. If she has a nice figure why hide it in plastic bag.
    It's not plastic. Plastic is the crap you showed me them wearing in the club.
    Mostly PVC and things like it .
    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    Most shell suits are some shitty type of plastic .

    Yeah my sister's caught fire once, that was funny, well I thought it was anyway.

    I once jump started a car for a woman when her boyfriend had deliberately flattened the battery, and she asked if I wanted paid in sex! And of course I said yes, she was a bit older than me but really fit.
    Perhaps I should have gone to TG's last friday .
    What is TG's?

    https://www.torturegarden.com/best-of-torture-garden/
    I don't see the point of all that plastic, they'd look better naked.

    It's what you don't see that keeps the interest.
    Rubbish. Why use your imagination when you can have the real thing?

    then why are nudist beaches so boring.
    They aren't. They're the same as normal beaches but with more freedom and the ability to enjoy the looks of others.
    Not sure I'd be really interested there's one in Brighton. I know there's one in germany that a friends has been to.
    I do not understand the desire to be clothed, it just isn't natural.

    Most people wear cloths it;s practical.
    No it isn't, it's a pointless hassle.

    Not since we evolved from apes.
    It's hardly evolution to require something extra.

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.
    The hair isn't needed,

    Hair is needed or we wouldn't have it.

    Bullshit. Evolution works by randomness.

    Which countries are those where people walked around naked, there aren't any there's a reason for that.

    A lot of Africa.

    Most animals are naked but maybe that's because genrally they have an IQl ess than that of a 3 year-old child.

    No, it's because they aren't as prudish as us. Mind you I do hate seeing cats when their tails go straight up (which they do when happy) exposing their dirty anus.

    neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).
    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought
    of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer
    temperature water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.
    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

    Bicycles aren't natural though they don;t grow on trees, same with motorbikes so people wear protective gear for when they fall off.

    A bicycle is not dangerous enough to need protection.

    Chutes aren;t natural but if you won;t to go up in an unnatrual hieght in an unnatural plane you seem to want to wear such an unnatural thing.

    People parachute naked. There's a famous video of someone's cock flapping about on a naked jump.

    That's the thing humans have eveolved not to live in the natural environment. But if yuor life is more like an chgimps with a lower IQ than most humans you'll be quite happy spending yuor time sitting around naked
    and wanking yourself off, but us evolved humans havea much richer lifestyle even if we'll destroy ourselves in the not too distant future.
    The Natural world will carry on, just like it did 65 million years ago, it'll just change and those most siuted to that change will prosper.

    Yes, people like me will be fine, people like you will cry because there's no McDonalds.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Sep 5 05:25:25 2022
    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 05:02:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    means nothing, if you're over the limit you are over the limit it's a mathematical fact, persaution as nothing to do with it.
    Bullshit. If they don't suspect I'm drunk, they don't do a breath test. One time I was actually very drunk and stoned at the same time, and almost tripped over the kerb while walking to their van. All I got done for was not wearing a seatbelt.

    if your are over the limit then you are over the limit that is the mathamatical fact.
    The only way to persuade them that you are not over is if you tell them the readout is wrong and explain why.


    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    He was one of the cleverest students we've had a built a digitizer for displaying pictures on a BBC computer, he used to show it off at
    computer exibitions as it ran and updated the screen with images from the star wars films , it copied everything from an ROM installed in the computer.

    I very much doubt intoxication has any link to inteligence other than the less inteligent tend to believe it.
    Maybe there are exceptions, but I find the dopey folk always get drunk more.

    Cause and effect.

    If you have a weak brain, it's obviously more susceptible to things.

    There's no such thing as a weak brain.

    Maybe the dumber you are the more you drink and then you are seen more times drunk.


    A friend of mine tried vodka and he started to get violent and argumentative it's the only think he reacts badly too, he can drink
    6 pints of beer without a problem.
    Illogical, it's all ethanol.

    He can drink whisky and just about any other spirit without becoming angry .
    He must be allergic to something else in the drink then, and it's nothing to do with it being alcoholic.

    I never said it;s anything to do with it being alcoholic.

    If you could produce vodka minus the ethanol, it would be interesting to see if that affected him.

    I'm guessing it's something else other than ethanol.

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman
    asked if I wanted her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless. I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I told them to go fuck themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use it for.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Sep 5 05:55:37 2022
    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 08:03:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.
    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    I know someone that loves coffee but hates coffee flavoured things like ice cream, quality street and the like type sweets.
    He threw up once after eating a coffee sweet from a box of roses or similar. It was quite funny.
    I can throw up on command.

    I guess that could have some use...

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.
    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    I think they know about it, it also part of the light where a star can be 32 billion light years away but the universe's is only 13.8 billion l years old .
    I was reading about it as the james webb telescope first pictures came it. Can't say I truely understood the paper but sort of got the point that it wasn;t as sinple as I first thought and with gravatational lensing
    and redshift which isn;t that difficult to understand.
    Link please, that sounds interesting. I'm running a lot of telescope data through my computers and have got rather interested in it.

    Can;'t find the link it was a while ago but I made a note of the star. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GN-z11




    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.
    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    I've been on jury service you can;t really out smart the police it's more that they don;t have enough evidence for a jury to convict on.
    They have not enough evidence because they're thick or lazy. Someone once smashed my car window and they couldn't even be bothered taking fingerprints. They said if I didn't know who it was, they couldn't do anything. A friend got every single window
    of her car smashed, but she figured out herself it was probably her daughter's ex boyfriend. Nice new top of the range Honda Civic aswell, must have cost a few grand to fix. Not sure who ended up paying.

    It's not uncommon to get someone esle to to the job for you for a small fee. :-)

    That's why she got off with not proven, which is differnt from not giulty.
    Either way she doesn't get a punishment.

    Doesnt; mean she outsmarted the police though.
    Only way to do that would be for teh crime not to be reported or know of. Typically the perfect murder, no body, no evidence so no one can be found guilty

    The dealers ttry to stay one spep ahead but it;s more to do with the number of attempts on getting drugs through.
    Not everything is checked at shipping ports and lots more drugs get through than is found.
    You just have to make sure nothing leads back to you as a dealer.
    It's fucking stupid they go after drugs at all. It's nobody's business what people put in their bodies.

    Depends on what those bodies do to others when on drugs, or what people do in order to sell the drugs.


    Mostly PVC and things like it .
    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    Most shell suits are some shitty type of plastic .
    Yeah my sister's caught fire once, that was funny, well I thought it was anyway.

    I'd probbely laugh too provided no one got too badly hurt.
    Must have been one of those cheap chinese knock-off that have fake fire resistant labels.



    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.
    The hair isn't needed,

    Hair is needed or we wouldn't have it.
    Bullshit. Evolution works by randomness.

    For a common goal it''s not truely random.
    Most humans have two eyes or at least have places for two eyes same as most mammals even birds.
    If it were random some would have more others less.


    Which countries are those where people walked around naked, there aren't any there's a reason for that.
    A lot of Africa.

    Pretty low IQ generally, yet yuo'd think if that's where man first originated the IQ would be higher not lower.

    Most animals are naked but maybe that's because genrally they have an IQl ess than that of a 3 year-old child.
    No, it's because they aren't as prudish as us. Mind you I do hate seeing cats when their tails go straight up (which they do when happy) exposing their dirty anus.

    Most cats don;t have dirty anuses.

    neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).
    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't thought
    of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer
    temperature water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.
    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

    Bicycles aren't natural though they don;t grow on trees, same with motorbikes so people wear protective gear for when they fall off.
    A bicycle is not dangerous enough to need protection.

    Unless you fall off. If they hadn't had been on a bike the wouldn;t have had the accident.


    Chutes aren;t natural but if you won;t to go up in an unnatrual hieght in an unnatural plane you seem to want to wear such an unnatural thing.
    People parachute naked. There's a famous video of someone's cock flapping about on a naked jump.

    But why wear a chute it;s not natural , why not rely on nature with arms legs and cock flapping birds do it.

    That's the thing humans have eveolved not to live in the natural environment.
    But if yuor life is more like an chgimps with a lower IQ than most humans you'll be quite happy spending yuor time sitting around naked
    and wanking yourself off, but us evolved humans havea much richer lifestyle even if we'll destroy ourselves in the not too distant future.
    The Natural world will carry on, just like it did 65 million years ago, it'll just change and those most siuted to that change will prosper.
    Yes, people like me will be fine, people like you will cry because there's no McDonalds.

    Last time I was in McDs was feb 1993 around 9am. GF liked McDs breakfasts then we went to portobello rd where she bought an old bakerlite phone.
    It was bloody cold that day, & buying the phone and McDs (as previously hadn;t been to a McDs since 1991, didn't buy anything though.
    But flatmate did made it memorable.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Sep 6 01:49:11 2022
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 13:26:03 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 03:02:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-)
    One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .
    I have a whip app on my phone. It makes a noise when i shake the phone hard.

    I prefer the real thing rather than this simulation stuff ;-)

    Master or slave?

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes
    Because they're idiots. I run in shorts and bare feet.

    Animals run with bare feet , some have evolved into hooves , while others have differing toes and some have fingers others have paws.
    But as yet we haven't eveloved foot that run well on concrete or tarmac, some have webbing between their toes I assume you don;t.
    . Of course there are even more modern things such as glass , metal even plastic (lego bricks) that are very painful if trodden on.
    We even put shoes on horses .

    Bullshit. I and many other people can walk over broken glass without getting cut, and have no problem at all with running on tarmac for miles. Your feet very quickly thicken the skin. As does any part of you, people who write a lot get thick skin on
    one side of one of their fingers where the pen rubs it.

    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    Go up to around 38C in london a couple of weeks ago.
    I thought you'd be running in direct sunlight .

    The pouch is black so the sunlight doesn't get through. And quite often the sun is on the other side of me, so my body shields the chocolate. Most races aren't in a straight line.

    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.
    Legistale?

    Legistate, or how they decide what is fair and what isn't such as amphetamine sulphate or even marijuana

    The easiest thing would be to let anyone take what they like, after all it's their own bodies they're harming.

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.
    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    Only after it's burnt

    No, you only get burnt if you suddenly increase the sun amount before your skin is used to it.

    and if doesn't really affect the amount of UV especaily UV B

    It most certainly does, that's the whole purpose of a tan.

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage. >> >> >> So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.
    Then pick one that requires some constant input, like trying not to fall off the windsurf.

    Doesn;t seem to be a naturla thing to do if I needed to do things on water I'd be like jesus or
    I'd have webbede feet.

    It's fun though.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees >> >> >> >> It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.
    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Who's ashamed, are you ashamed to take a dump outside the local pub ?

    That causes a stench.

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.
    Every time you overtake someone it's fun. And it's nice to see spectators cheering at your bare chest. I got hosed down on a hot day when running a marathon, a woman had produced a hosepipe and was cooling off anyone who wanted it.

    I guess so btu I wouldn't want to spend much of my time doing it.

    Yeah you get a worse race time if you hang around letting the woman ogle you.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time.
    The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play. >> >> >> That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays. >> First maybe, but you need to do something yourself to remember it.

    Yep and then learn how to do it better, and there's sports science which we do here.
    Also watching a video of yourself so you can see how to improve.
    Even animals learn from watching .

    I admit you are correct.

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.
    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    Not much to it then.

    No, very simple. Easier than Call of Duty. You only have 5 things to do. Pull left, pull right, open emergency chute, discard original chute, kick legs for untangling.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.
    The Queen skydived?!
    and probbaly quite natural ;-)
    Royalty isn't natural.

    Most animals have some sort of hierarchie and the more inteligent don't put the dumbest
    as their leaders unlike humans.

    We don't need leaders, we can all look after ourselves.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Sep 6 08:57:16 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:28:12 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 04:44:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does. >> 99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Not sure if that's true in todays world in the UK anyway.

    There;s same sex marriages

    Only 5% of people are homosexual.

    and if so called normal mairages have changed .
    Not sure what you mean buy in the normal way far more married women go out to work than used to 50 years ago.

    I mean a man and a woman living together in love with each other, no stuff for green cards etc.

    And far more people just live together in what uo might call the normal way. And when they split it doesn't get registatred as a divorce or an end to
    people living together in the normal way.

    Irrelevant. i'm counting those who got married then change their mind.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.
    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    Yes I can imagine, there's always been the battle axe type but I also think women have become more aggressive over recent times.

    I think gradually men and women are becoming closer together.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.
    Glass is heavier than water.

    But brushing it up moves it around, and yuo could never be sire you'd get it all, it's not like it just falls in a nice neat pile below the window.

    Depends on the type of glass.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.
    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    Who tested you ? I did an online test years ago aftter a few beers got about 133 a friend who got 140 but he only failed to get into MENSA by a few points.
    Not sure I;d trust any figure unless it was an offically done test.

    i did several online tests and they all agreed within a couple of points.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.
    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Most kids seem to what a brother or a sister.

    I didn't want mine.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.
    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    Yes you can inherit fatness just like you can inteligence or athleticism and many other things.

    Weirdly you can inherit fitness you've created. You can decide to do loads of exercise, then that gets passed onto your kids.

    Yep even looks and interests to some extent. Kids can be interested in what their parents do and in the earlier years follow what they do.

    Or go the other way and rebel. Like not be believing in god.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?
    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    It's for people with little imagination.

    So you play computer games on a Commodore 64?

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?
    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    That's why brown fat is consiideredd good but you cna only generate a certain amount of it, then it goes to white fat
    which doen't get burnt up as easlity and this is when people but on weight and get fat.

    Brown fat cells don't burn up. They convert glucose to heat and remain there.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins. >> >> >
    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.
    So can nutritionists. Look at the number of times they changed their minds which fats were best for you.

    Yes and even how much excercise

    Exercise causes injuries. Sit and watch TV and live longer!

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Sep 6 05:45:10 2022
    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 08:57:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:28:12 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 04:44:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.
    99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Not sure if that's true in todays world in the UK anyway.

    There;s same sex marriages
    Only 5% of people are homosexual.

    It's higher than tha, nearer 10% but it depends on who counting and in which country .

    and if so called normal mairages have changed .
    Not sure what you mean buy in the normal way far more married women go out to work than used to 50 years ago.
    I mean a man and a woman living together in love with each other, no stuff for green cards etc.

    The idea of a normal marrige isn;t what it was.

    And far more people just live together in what uo might call the normal way. And when they split it doesn't get registatred as a divorce or an end to
    people living together in the normal way.
    Irrelevant. i'm counting those who got married then change their mind.

    So what does that tell you.
    were they wrong to get married ?

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.
    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    Yes I can imagine, there's always been the battle axe type but I also think women have become more aggressive over recent times.
    I think gradually men and women are becoming closer together.

    I guess that's the aim of equality.

    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.
    Glass is heavier than water.

    But brushing it up moves it around, and yuo could never be sire you'd get it all, it's not like it just falls in a nice neat pile below the window.
    Depends on the type of glass.

    window glass was around the pool as it was an oldish building 1900s.


    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.
    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    Who tested you ? I did an online test years ago aftter a few beers got about 133 a friend who got 140 but he only failed to get into MENSA by a few points.
    Not sure I;d trust any figure unless it was an offically done test.
    i did several online tests and they all agreed within a couple of points.

    Not sure that means much as they are on-line tests and have certain restrictions on doing things.
    Maybe a VR one might be more accurate.
    I don't think MENSA would accept an on-line test.


    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.
    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Most kids seem to what a brother or a sister.
    I didn't want mine.

    I wonder if the feeling was mutual.

    Little evidence of that it's why so many are obsese.
    That's the amount not the type.

    it's the amount of fat, sugar and salt in processed food, that is the problem.
    Bollocks. Calories are calories. People are fat or thin based on genetics. We need to stop the unhealthy blobs breeding.

    genetics is 30-70% of it, and it;s down top gut and other bacteria. Theres a process that's been discovered over the last few years that involves
    fecal translpants that's taking shit cells from one peron and putting them in another
    and this changes gut bactreria which can have a significant effect or cure obese people, it;s also possible to
    help irradicate some cancer cells although it's still in the early testing.
    But that gut bacteria depends on your genes too presumably. If you see fat parents, chances are the kids are fat too.

    Yes you can inherit fatness just like you can inteligence or athleticism and many other things.

    Weirdly you can inherit fitness you've created. You can decide to do loads of exercise, then that gets passed onto your kids.

    Yep even looks and interests to some extent. Kids can be interested in what their parents do and in the earlier years follow what they do.
    Or go the other way and rebel. Like not be believing in god.

    Yep, something to do with inteligent thought and mixing with others.


    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?
    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    It's for people with little imagination.
    So you play computer games on a Commodore 64?

    No but the gameplay is important far more than fancy graphics.

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?
    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    That's why brown fat is consiideredd good but you cna only generate a certain amount of it, then it goes to white fat
    which doen't get burnt up as easlity and this is when people but on weight and get fat.
    Brown fat cells don't burn up. They convert glucose to heat and remain there.

    Yep so if you eat too much it just menas the white fat cells have to store it up as more fat.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.
    So can nutritionists. Look at the number of times they changed their minds which fats were best for you.

    Yes and even how much excercise
    Exercise causes injuries. Sit and watch TV and live longer!

    Well everything in moderation.
    Think of how many pizzas and burgers you can eat in a day just watching TV, don;t even need to ecercise to walk to the shop,
    just need to have a phone nearby

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Sep 6 05:28:38 2022
    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 01:49:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 13:26:03 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 03:02:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-) >> >> >> One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .
    I have a whip app on my phone. It makes a noise when i shake the phone hard.

    I prefer the real thing rather than this simulation stuff ;-)

    Master or slave?

    Both as a master I tell her what to cook me for breakfast and as a slave I have to eat it :-)


    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes
    Because they're idiots. I run in shorts and bare feet.

    Animals run with bare feet , some have evolved into hooves , while others have differing toes and some have fingers others have paws.
    But as yet we haven't eveloved foot that run well on concrete or tarmac, some have webbing between their toes I assume you don;t.
    . Of course there are even more modern things such as glass , metal even plastic (lego bricks) that are very painful if trodden on.
    We even put shoes on horses .

    Bullshit. I and many other people can walk over broken glass without getting cut,

    Only if you know it is there.

    and have no problem at all with running on tarmac for miles.

    Even when it;s melting in the heat .

    Your feet very quickly thicken the skin. As does any part of you, people who write a lot get thick skin on one side of one of their fingers where the pen rubs it.

    Yes humans can adapt to the enviroment they are in but it takes time.
    If it were natural to walk on glass or tarmac we'd all be born with thick skin on our feet, but we aren't.
    Poeple that work harfd with their hands build up calaces and hard skin over time.



    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    Go up to around 38C in london a couple of weeks ago.
    I thought you'd be running in direct sunlight .

    The pouch is black so the sunlight doesn't get through.

    So it heats up black absorbs the visable wavelenghs and turns it into heat.

    And quite often the sun is on the other side of me, so my body shields the chocolate. Most races aren't in a straight line.

    So you can never be sure where the sun might hit you.


    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.
    Legistale?

    Legistate, or how they decide what is fair and what isn't such as amphetamine sulphate or even marijuana

    The easiest thing would be to let anyone take what they like, after all it's their own bodies they're harming.

    Perhaps it;s worth protecting people from their own stupidity.


    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.
    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    Only after it's burnt

    No, you only get burnt if you suddenly increase the sun amount before your skin is used to it.

    Wgich is what happens over time usually generations, have you never wonderered why nigerains are very black but scandinavians are very pail.


    and if doesn't really affect the amount of UV especaily UV B

    It most certainly does, that's the whole purpose of a tan.

    No it doesn't UVA & B work ddifferntly on the skin anyway.
    Even black peolpe get skin cancer from the sun.


    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.
    Then pick one that requires some constant input, like trying not to fall off the windsurf.

    Doesn;t seem to be a naturla thing to do if I needed to do things on water I'd be like jesus or
    I'd have webbede feet.

    It's fun though.

    Maybe that's why it;'s general the less inteligent that wear less cloths to busy fantasing over other peolpes bodies
    to get anything done.
    Maybe that's why there's not many inventions or even art from countries were they tend to not wear many clothes .
    Ypu must know the theory of getting an infinite number of monkeys to type eventually you'd get a shakesparian phrase.
    well they tried it with a lot of moneys but all that happend was the typwriter got covered in spunk.



    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees >> >> >> >> It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.
    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Who's ashamed, are you ashamed to take a dump outside the local pub ?

    That causes a stench.

    Why do you care the wind takes it away .


    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.
    Every time you overtake someone it's fun. And it's nice to see spectators cheering at your bare chest. I got hosed down on a hot day when running a marathon, a woman had produced a hosepipe and was cooling off anyone who wanted it.

    I guess so btu I wouldn't want to spend much of my time doing it.

    Yeah you get a worse race time if you hang around letting the woman ogle you.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time. >> >> >> > The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays.
    First maybe, but you need to do something yourself to remember it.

    Yep and then learn how to do it better, and there's sports science which we do here.
    Also watching a video of yourself so you can see how to improve.
    Even animals learn from watching .

    I admit you are correct.
    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.
    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    Not much to it then.

    No, very simple. Easier than Call of Duty. You only have 5 things to do. Pull left, pull right, open emergency chute, discard original chute, kick legs for untangling.

    I perhaps can understand the thrill of it but I could get the same from call of duty.
    Haven;t played that but have played some games on-line andn it is fun.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.
    The Queen skydived?!
    and probbaly quite natural ;-)
    Royalty isn't natural.

    Most animals have some sort of hierarchie and the more inteligent don't put the dumbest
    as their leaders unlike humans.

    We don't need leaders, we can all look after ourselves.

    Most can't you needed someone to fold your chute and someone to pilot the plane.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 7 03:27:33 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:53:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 22:51:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> >> >> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net> >> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up >> >>>>>>>>> and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull,
    etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >> >>>>>>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like
    Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London >> >>>> who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is >> >>>> the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?
    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message.
    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

    yes that was good.

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there. First time I saw him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle. I said "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

    This is what happened to a unicyclist near where I live.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/i-m-lucky-to-be-alive-says-unicyclist-who-was-freed-from-under-bus-in-walthamstow-10290615.html

    ROTFPMSL! Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely not a stable device. Even three can be problematic:
    https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 7 03:22:07 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:33:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 07:53:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and >> >>>>> pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig
    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin. >>
    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.
    A girl in a club I was in mistook me for arnold Schwarzenegger, all I said was "I'll be back" and she pointed to me and said "arnold Schwarzenegger" well I didn't argue ;-)

    Are you as large as him? That would be a dead giveaway.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 7 06:01:21 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 14:08:24 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 1 September 2022 at 00:59:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:49:26 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg
    standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down
    photos from Iphone users!

    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!
    Again and again Apple screw everything up. And the silly little Apple worshippers suck it in.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/18/22629703/apple-magsafe-charging-mfi-standard-accessory

    Almost a year in, Apple’s charging tech has barely trickled out

    It was out in 2006 for laptops .

    If you bought Apple proprietary stuff.

    It’s been almost a year since Apple first debuted the iPhone 12 lineup, and introduced its MagSafe accessory system. So where are all the MagSafe chargers?
    Guess they are expensive to do things that way and the p[oundshop people haven't quite managed to make one.

    No, Apple refuse to license it.

    Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of accessory developers making cases, wallets, car mounts, desk stands, and even magnetic Qi chargers and battery packs that work with MagSafe — but almost no actual MagSafe accessories.

    what sort of accessories would you want a car charger ?

    Why not?

    And that’s a big difference because of how Apple has designed the MagSafe standard. Anyone can wirelessly charge an iPhone 12 device using a Qi charger at Apple’s standard rate of 7.5W. Magnets, being a physical phenomenon, are even more universal,
    meaning that device manufacturers can easily stick an iPhone 12 and a Qi charger together. (Many already have.)

    The MagSafe Battery Pack looks a little funny on an iPhone 12 Pro Max
    But those two things alone don’t make a wireless charger a MagSafe charger; actual, Apple-approved MagSafe chargers offer a charging speed that’s twice as fast, up to 15W. And that’s only available on a paltry handful of accessories: Apple’s
    official charging cable, Apple’s MagSafe Duo charger, Apple’s official MagSafe battery pack (even then, only when it’s plugged in), and a pair of pricey Belkin stands.

    Theoretically, there’s no reason that Apple has to restrict 15W charging to official MagSafe chargers. Any number of Qi chargers are available that offer 15W charging speeds and work with a plethora of devices. Some of them are even made by Apple’
    s MagSafe-approved partners, leading to awkward product lineups where some MagSafe-capable 15W chargers sit side by side on a website with identical-looking 7.5W, MagSafe-compatible wireless chargers that won’t charge your phone as fast.

    This Belkin charger has MagSafe, costs $99, and charges an iPhone 12 at 15W. Image: Belkin
    This Belkin charger has magnets, costs $35, and charges an iPhone 12 at 7.5W. Image: Belkin
    The reason appears to be simple: Apple hasn’t actually let anyone else make MagSafe chargers yet. According to ChargerLab — a wireless-charging-focused site that’s obtained details and a unit for Apple’s MagSafe modules — Apple is only
    allowing MagSafe chargers to be built using an MFi-approved module.

    So.

    Unfair business tactics, a damn good reason to use anything other than Apple.

    But a year out, it’s hard to feel like MagSafe isn’t a missed opportunity for Apple. When the iPhone 12 first came out, MagSafe looked like a way for the company to build an ecosystem of snap-on modular accessories, the sort of thing that Motorola
    had tried and failed to accomplish with its Moto Mods system. There were visions of port-less iPhones that could rely on MagSafe exclusively for charging and connecting to external devices.

    They could have done a MS and tried to write an OS for a phone and fail.

    Instead, MS tried to make their desktop OS look like a phone (Metro). Where did they get that idiot "designer"? Bill gates said it was shite.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 7 06:02:45 2022
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:25:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 05:02:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    means nothing, if you're over the limit you are over the limit it's a mathematical fact, persaution as nothing to do with it.
    Bullshit. If they don't suspect I'm drunk, they don't do a breath test. One time I was actually very drunk and stoned at the same time, and almost tripped over the kerb while walking to their van. All I got done for was not wearing a seatbelt.

    if your are over the limit then you are over the limit that is the mathamatical fact.
    The only way to persuade them that you are not over is if you tell them the readout is wrong and explain why.

    No, you make them think they don't have to use the machine.

    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    He was one of the cleverest students we've had a built a digitizer for displaying pictures on a BBC computer, he used to show it off at
    computer exibitions as it ran and updated the screen with images from the star wars films , it copied everything from an ROM installed in the computer.

    I very much doubt intoxication has any link to inteligence other than the less inteligent tend to believe it.
    Maybe there are exceptions, but I find the dopey folk always get drunk more.

    Cause and effect.

    What?

    If you have a weak brain, it's obviously more susceptible to things.

    There's no such thing as a weak brain.

    Maybe the dumber you are the more you drink and then you are seen more times drunk.

    No, your brain is just weaker. it can't handle chemicals, or scary things, etc.

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman
    asked if I wanted her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless. I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I told them to go fuck themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use it for.

    I didn't care. He clearly had to eat.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 7 06:03:13 2022
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:25:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman
    asked if I wanted her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless. I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I told them to go fuck themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use it for.

    My mother's friend used to take them for a meal in a restaurant!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Sep 7 07:32:59 2022
    On 07/09/2022 06:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:25:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks
    endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying
    I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and
    used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the
    bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My
    friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman asked if I wanted
    her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless.
    I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men
    approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I
    told them to go fuck themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use
    it for.

    My mother's friend used to take them for a meal in a restaurant!

    My mother was a 'Prison Visitor' - she thought it helped the folk inside.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Official_Prison_Visitors

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Sep 7 07:41:19 2022
    On 07/09/2022 07:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    ROTFPMSL!  Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely >>> not a stable device.  Even three can be problematic:
    https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

    Great fun to watch all over again! :-D

    Thanks.

    A long time ago the government used to hand those out to pensioners or something.

    Not to MY recollection!

    Exactly how much money can you save by removing one wheel?

    It was a different market. One didn't need a car driving licence if I
    recall correctly.

    --
    David
    Have a grand day! :-D

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Sep 7 07:24:56 2022
    On 07/09/2022 03:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:53:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 22:51:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart
    <kwh...@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took
    you up
    and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>> >>>>>>>> etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to
    fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't
    be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt
    double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks
    like
    Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in
    London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname,
    and is
    the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?
    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some
    companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message.
    I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

    yes that was good.

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there. First time I
    saw him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle. I
    said "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

    This is what happened to a unicyclist near where I live.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/i-m-lucky-to-be-alive-says-unicyclist-who-was-freed-from-under-bus-in-walthamstow-10290615.html

    ROTFPMSL!  Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely
    not a stable device.  Even three can be problematic: https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

    Great fun to watch all over again! :-D

    Thanks.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Sep 7 07:30:08 2022
    On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:24:56 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 03:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:53:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 22:51:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:36:17 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:25:03 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 07:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks
    <Da...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart
    <kwh...@centurylink.net>
    wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey >>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took
    you up
    and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, >>>> >>>>>>>> etc.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to
    fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't
    be that
    difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt
    double. At
    least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig

    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks
    like
    Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in
    London
    who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname,
    and is
    the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.

    You may pull the other one! ;-)

    I was telling the truth. I actually thought it was him and started
    talking to him, then realised it wasn't him.

    I was unaware that one can talk to folk on Instagram!

    Lesson, please?
    I hardly ever use it. I've used it to talk to him, and to "like" some
    companies to get free vouchers. When I say talk, I just sent a message. >>>> >>> I thought of you last evening when I filmed this short clip:-
    https://jumpshare.com/v/xRyAP2kYnZW5s1gX0ExT

    I have never and will never play, listen to, or enjoy the pipes.
    Except this: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

    Haha! :-D Great fun!

    yes that was good.

    I went to university with a guy that unicycled there. First time I
    saw him I was locking my bike up, and he appeared on a unicycle. I
    said "what's wrong with two wheels?", he said "too easy".

    This is what happened to a unicyclist near where I live.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/i-m-lucky-to-be-alive-says-unicyclist-who-was-freed-from-under-bus-in-walthamstow-10290615.html

    ROTFPMSL! Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely
    not a stable device. Even three can be problematic:
    https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

    Great fun to watch all over again! :-D

    Thanks.

    A long time ago the government used to hand those out to pensioners or something.

    Exactly how much money can you save by removing one wheel?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Sep 7 09:11:51 2022
    On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:41:19 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 07:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    ROTFPMSL! Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely >>>> not a stable device. Even three can be problematic:
    https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

    Great fun to watch all over again! :-D

    Thanks.

    A long time ago the government used to hand those out to pensioners or
    something.

    Not to MY recollection!

    I can't find any evidence of this, although I'm sure it's true.

    This however shows how pathetically childish the Americans are: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/19327541/reliant-robin-delorean-version/

    Exactly how much money can you save by removing one wheel?

    It was a different market. One didn't need a car driving licence if I
    recall correctly.

    I heard that too. It was classed as a moped with a trailer or something weird.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Sep 7 09:08:34 2022
    On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:32:59 +0100, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 06:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:25:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks
    endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying
    I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and
    used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the
    bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My
    friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid woman asked if I wanted
    her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless.
    I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men
    approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I
    told them to go fuck themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use
    it for.

    My mother's friend used to take them for a meal in a restaurant!

    My mother was a 'Prison Visitor' - she thought it helped the folk inside.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Official_Prison_Visitors

    She was a good woman.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 9 05:15:01 2022
    On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 06:01:31 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 14:08:24 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 1 September 2022 at 00:59:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:49:26 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/08/2022 23:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    Anything is better than Apple anything. They even fucked up the jpeg >> >> standard of three decades and I keep getting sideways and upside down >> >> photos from Iphone users!

    Are you referring to HEIC ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

    It's not JUST for Apple!
    Again and again Apple screw everything up. And the silly little Apple worshippers suck it in.

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/18/22629703/apple-magsafe-charging-mfi-standard-accessory

    Almost a year in, Apple’s charging tech has barely trickled out

    It was out in 2006 for laptops .
    If you bought Apple proprietary stuff.

    well you had to as others took a while to catch up with the good idea.

    It’s been almost a year since Apple first debuted the iPhone 12 lineup, and introduced its MagSafe accessory system. So where are all the MagSafe chargers?
    Guess they are expensive to do things that way and the p[oundshop people haven't quite managed to make one.
    No, Apple refuse to license it.

    It's never really stoped anyone before with lightning thunderbolt and other connectors.

    Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of accessory developers making cases, wallets, car mounts, desk stands, and even magnetic Qi chargers and battery packs that work with MagSafe — but almost no actual MagSafe accessories.

    what sort of accessories would you want a car charger ?
    Why not?

    I think it would be difficult to get enough current down a USB cable to charge a car up in less that a few days .

    And that’s a big difference because of how Apple has designed the MagSafe standard. Anyone can wirelessly charge an iPhone 12 device using a Qi charger at Apple’s standard rate of 7.5W. Magnets, being a physical phenomenon, are even more
    universal, meaning that device manufacturers can easily stick an iPhone 12 and a Qi charger together. (Many already have.)

    The MagSafe Battery Pack looks a little funny on an iPhone 12 Pro Max
    But those two things alone don’t make a wireless charger a MagSafe charger; actual, Apple-approved MagSafe chargers offer a charging speed that’s twice as fast, up to 15W. And that’s only available on a paltry handful of accessories: Apple’s
    official charging cable, Apple’s MagSafe Duo charger, Apple’s official MagSafe battery pack (even then, only when it’s plugged in), and a pair of pricey Belkin stands.

    Theoretically, there’s no reason that Apple has to restrict 15W charging to official MagSafe chargers. Any number of Qi chargers are available that offer 15W charging speeds and work with a plethora of devices. Some of them are even made by Appleâ€
    ™s MagSafe-approved partners, leading to awkward product lineups where some MagSafe-capable 15W chargers sit side by side on a website with identical-looking 7.5W, MagSafe-compatible wireless chargers that won’t charge your phone as fast.

    This Belkin charger has MagSafe, costs $99, and charges an iPhone 12 at 15W. Image: Belkin
    This Belkin charger has magnets, costs $35, and charges an iPhone 12 at 7.5W. Image: Belkin
    The reason appears to be simple: Apple hasn’t actually let anyone else make MagSafe chargers yet. According to ChargerLab — a wireless-charging-focused site that’s obtained details and a unit for Apple’s MagSafe modules — Apple is only
    allowing MagSafe chargers to be built using an MFi-approved module.

    So.
    Unfair business tactics, a damn good reason to use anything other than Apple.

    Hardly unfair as you don't have to use Aplpe for anything.

    But a year out, it’s hard to feel like MagSafe isn’t a missed opportunity for Apple. When the iPhone 12 first came out, MagSafe looked like a way for the company to build an ecosystem of snap-on modular accessories, the sort of thing that
    Motorola had tried and failed to accomplish with its Moto Mods system. There were visions of port-less iPhones that could rely on MagSafe exclusively for charging and connecting to external devices.

    They could have done a MS and tried to write an OS for a phone and fail.
    Instead, MS tried to make their desktop OS look like a phone (Metro). Where did they get that idiot "designer"? Bill gates said it was shite.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 9 05:40:16 2022
    On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 09:11:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:41:19 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 07:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    [....]
    ROTFPMSL! Two wheels is stupid enough already, one wheel is definitely >>>> not a stable device. Even three can be problematic:
    https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

    Great fun to watch all over again! :-D

    Thanks.

    A long time ago the government used to hand those out to pensioners or
    something.

    Not to MY recollection!
    I can't find any evidence of this, although I'm sure it's true.

    This however shows how pathetically childish the Americans are: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/19327541/reliant-robin-delorean-version/
    Exactly how much money can you save by removing one wheel?

    Yes that is stupid , but he could have made it a bit less delorean make it yellow and Del-boyean
    or something.


    It was a different market. One didn't need a car driving licence if I recall correctly.
    I heard that too. It was classed as a moped with a trailer or something weird.

    Never really looked into that but there;s 3 wheeled trikes (converted motobikes) and even the sinclair C5
    with 3 wheels.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 9 05:31:10 2022
    On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 06:02:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:25:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 05:02:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don;t remmeber focussing being an issue but co-ordination & balance could a bit off.
    My balance is good, first time I ever got drunk as a teenager, my friend fell over when trying to punch me. I just sidestepped and watched him land flat on his face. We had both drunk the same and he was bigger than me.

    I think its quite common to loose balance seen plenty of videos of people falling over.
    It's where the term legless comes from I guess.
    I don't. I can also persuade anyone (including the police) I've had nothing to drink when I'm several times over the legal limit.

    means nothing, if you're over the limit you are over the limit it's a mathematical fact, persaution as nothing to do with it.
    Bullshit. If they don't suspect I'm drunk, they don't do a breath test. One time I was actually very drunk and stoned at the same time, and almost tripped over the kerb while walking to their van. All I got done for was not wearing a seatbelt.

    if your are over the limit then you are over the limit that is the mathamatical fact.
    The only way to persuade them that you are not over is if you tell them the readout is wrong and explain why.
    No, you make them think they don't have to use the machine.

    How does that change whether or not you are over the limit?

    A greek student that was quite large and tubby, when we took for a drink he started it get pissed after 1/2 pint.
    After a pint he had to sit down.
    Weak brain. The friends I had more susceptible to alcohol were the thick ones.

    He was one of the cleverest students we've had a built a digitizer for displaying pictures on a BBC computer, he used to show it off at
    computer exibitions as it ran and updated the screen with images from the star wars films , it copied everything from an ROM installed in the computer.

    I very much doubt intoxication has any link to inteligence other than the less inteligent tend to believe it.
    Maybe there are exceptions, but I find the dopey folk always get drunk more.

    Cause and effect.
    What?

    The village idiot was never seen as the smartest person in the village.
    That could be because he wasn't.

    If you have a weak brain, it's obviously more susceptible to things.

    There's no such thing as a weak brain.

    Maybe the dumber you are the more you drink and then you are seen more times drunk.
    No, your brain is just weaker. it can't handle chemicals, or scary things, etc.

    It's more sensative so therefor better at doing certain things, better than others.
    I doubt someone that is good at digging up roads would also be good at brain surgery.
    Someone good at 100M races doesn't also take up marathons.

    Neither is said to have weak muscles


    Another Irish friend whos normally really quiet and shy talks endlessly and loudly after a few pints
    it can get really annoying he starts hugging friends and saying I love you and gets emotional.
    But the Irish are always like that.

    That could be true
    There was a homeless Scotsman in Dundee when I was a teenager and used the bus to get to uni. He approached me and a few others at the bus stop and started hugging me and declaring his undying love. My friends thought it was hilarious. A stupid
    woman asked if I wanted her to call the police and I objected strongly, saying he's harmless. I gave the same guy a quid every time I saw him, and once two men approached me just afterwards and said I shouldn't encourage him. I told them to go fuck
    themselves.

    If I were giving him money I'd prefer to know what he was going to use it for.
    I didn't care. He clearly had to eat.

    What makes you think he'd use the money for food most don't.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Sep 9 05:24:09 2022
    On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 03:22:16 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:33:04 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 07:53:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:39:41 +0100, David Brooks <Da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 23:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:38:47 +0100, Ken Hart <kwh...@centurylink.net> >> >> wrote:

    On 8/29/22 10:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    snip lots

    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and
    pushed you out did they.

    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc. >> >>>>
    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or
    anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that >> >>>>> difficult can it.

    The Queen skydived?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

    About six minutes. I suspect there could have been a stunt double. At >> >>> least for the Corgi's

    Anyone else notice the James Bond actor looks like Putin?

    His name is Daniel Craig

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig
    Yes, and there are many websites agreeing with me that he looks like Putin.

    Sometimes people look the same. I found on Instagram someone in London who is absolutely identical, has the same forename and surname, and is the same age, as a friend of mine who has never left Scotland.
    A girl in a club I was in mistook me for arnold Schwarzenegger, all I said was "I'll be back" and she pointed to me and said "arnold Schwarzenegger" well I didn't argue ;-)
    Are you as large as him? That would be a dead giveaway.

    How would I know I've not watched his porn films ;-)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Sun Sep 11 04:22:36 2022
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:55:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 08:03:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have.
    It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.
    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    I know someone that loves coffee but hates coffee flavoured things like ice cream, quality street and the like type sweets.
    He threw up once after eating a coffee sweet from a box of roses or similar. It was quite funny.
    I can throw up on command.

    I guess that could have some use...

    Annoying when you want to do something but can't, like sneezing.

    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.
    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    I think they know about it, it also part of the light where a star can be 32 billion light years away but the universe's is only 13.8 billion l years old .
    I was reading about it as the james webb telescope first pictures came it. >> > Can't say I truely understood the paper but sort of got the point that it wasn;t as sinple as I first thought and with gravatational lensing
    and redshift which isn;t that difficult to understand.
    Link please, that sounds interesting. I'm running a lot of telescope data through my computers and have got rather interested in it.

    Can;'t find the link it was a while ago but I made a note of the star. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GN-z11

    From what i can tell, it was 13.8 billion light years away when it was as we're observing it, hence the light took that long to get here. it's moved since what we're watching.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.
    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    I've been on jury service you can;t really out smart the police it's more that they don;t have enough evidence for a jury to convict on.
    They have not enough evidence because they're thick or lazy. Someone once smashed my car window and they couldn't even be bothered taking fingerprints. They said if I didn't know who it was, they couldn't do anything. A friend got every single window
    of her car smashed, but she figured out herself it was probably her daughter's ex boyfriend. Nice new top of the range Honda Civic aswell, must have cost a few grand to fix. Not sure who ended up paying.
    It's not uncommon to get someone esle to to the job for you for a small fee. :-)

    That's why she got off with not proven, which is differnt from not giulty. >> Either way she doesn't get a punishment.

    Doesnt; mean she outsmarted the police though.
    Only way to do that would be for teh crime not to be reported or know of. Typically the perfect murder, no body, no evidence so no one can be found guilty

    She got let off, she wasted their time, excellent result.

    The dealers ttry to stay one spep ahead but it;s more to do with the number of attempts on getting drugs through.
    Not everything is checked at shipping ports and lots more drugs get through than is found.
    You just have to make sure nothing leads back to you as a dealer.
    It's fucking stupid they go after drugs at all. It's nobody's business what people put in their bodies.

    Depends on what those bodies do to others when on drugs, or what people do in order to sell the drugs.

    Then do them for that, not the drugs.

    Crash your car and kill somebody when sober, get into the same shit as when drunk. The end result is all that matters.

    Mostly PVC and things like it .
    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    Most shell suits are some shitty type of plastic .
    Yeah my sister's caught fire once, that was funny, well I thought it was anyway.

    I'd probbely laugh too provided no one got too badly hurt.
    Must have been one of those cheap chinese knock-off that have fake fire resistant labels.

    This was back in the 80s/90s, i don't think any of them were fire resistant.

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.
    The hair isn't needed,

    Hair is needed or we wouldn't have it.
    Bullshit. Evolution works by randomness.

    For a common goal it''s not truely random.
    Most humans have two eyes or at least have places for two eyes same as most mammals even birds.
    If it were random some would have more others less.

    When major things like that happen, they die off. The one eyed animals don't have 3D vision and can't see how far away their predators are.

    Which countries are those where people walked around naked, there aren't any there's a reason for that.
    A lot of Africa.

    Pretty low IQ generally, yet yuo'd think if that's where man first originated the IQ would be higher not lower.

    They're living a nice easy life instead of working too hard like us.

    Most animals are naked but maybe that's because genrally they have an IQl ess than that of a 3 year-old child.
    No, it's because they aren't as prudish as us. Mind you I do hate seeing cats when their tails go straight up (which they do when happy) exposing their dirty anus.

    Most cats don;t have dirty anuses.

    How can a hole shit comes through not be dirty?

    neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).
    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't
    thought of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer
    temperature water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.
    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

    Bicycles aren't natural though they don;t grow on trees, same with motorbikes so people wear protective gear for when they fall off.
    A bicycle is not dangerous enough to need protection.

    Unless you fall off. If they hadn't had been on a bike the wouldn;t have had the accident.

    I've fallen off a bicycle many times, it doesn't usually harm you much.

    Chutes aren;t natural but if you won;t to go up in an unnatrual hieght in an unnatural plane you seem to want to wear such an unnatural thing.
    People parachute naked. There's a famous video of someone's cock flapping about on a naked jump.

    But why wear a chute it;s not natural , why not rely on nature with arms legs and cock flapping birds do it.

    Not enough feathers on my cock. Unlike this guy who has an enormous cock! https://cdn.lolhome.com/img/44/funny-picture-50.jpg

    That's the thing humans have eveolved not to live in the natural environment.
    But if yuor life is more like an chgimps with a lower IQ than most humans you'll be quite happy spending yuor time sitting around naked
    and wanking yourself off, but us evolved humans havea much richer lifestyle even if we'll destroy ourselves in the not too distant future.
    The Natural world will carry on, just like it did 65 million years ago, it'll just change and those most siuted to that change will prosper.
    Yes, people like me will be fine, people like you will cry because there's no McDonalds.

    Last time I was in McDs was feb 1993 around 9am. GF liked McDs breakfasts then we went to portobello rd where she bought an old bakerlite phone.
    It was bloody cold that day, & buying the phone and McDs (as previously hadn;t been to a McDs since 1991, didn't buy anything though.
    But flatmate did made it memorable.

    Bet you weren't naked though.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Sep 12 05:56:05 2022
    On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 04:22:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:55:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 08:03:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:20 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 06:25:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:16:56 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 02:18:58 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:36:52 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Certain types of women became more attractive as I drank more which can be a problem.
    Odd, that didn't change for me.
    The RDA is good for you. Double the RDA is even better for you. Triple the RDA is the same for you as the RDA. Quadruple the RDA is the same as being T-Total. Only after that you go downhill.

    Not sure how true that is as many people are efectivley T-total of just don;t drink due to culture. They seem to cope with life without drink alcohol.
    Don;t forget it's an allowence and not something you must have. >> >> >> It's supposed to reduce the risk of heart problems if you have it in moderation.

    Lots of things seem to be good for you in moderation coffee, dark chocolate.
    I hate coffee but love chocolate.

    I know someone that loves coffee but hates coffee flavoured things like ice cream, quality street and the like type sweets.
    He threw up once after eating a coffee sweet from a box of roses or similar. It was quite funny.
    I can throw up on command.

    I guess that could have some use...
    Annoying when you want to do something but can't, like sneezing.
    Yes people are already there at that point.
    And the same applies to time travel. If I'm about to go 5 years into the future, that future does already exist, it's just 5 years away in that dimension, and nobody you know from this time can see it yet unless they travel in time.

    Something like spacetime , if yuo travel forward in time you also have to travel in distance too.
    Why? If you travel north you don't have to go a bit east too.

    But you do as the earth is rotating and the earth is orbiting the sun and orbiting our galaxy and the universe is expanding.
    So if I go back to find van goth the earth was in a differnt part of the galaxy to what it is now.
    The only real way to achive that is to bend space and therefor bent time is using gravity .
    Depends what the physical point of reference is when time travelling. Do you end up in the same place relative to a local mass like the earth, or relative to the centre of the universe?

    Not sure but the earth moves even rotation so if you go forward 6 months , I think you must also move too as the Earth is on the opposite. side of the sun.
    I honestly never thought about this problem before you mentioned it. You had better inform some important physicists.

    I think they know about it, it also part of the light where a star can be 32 billion light years away but the universe's is only 13.8 billion l years old .
    I was reading about it as the james webb telescope first pictures came it.
    Can't say I truely understood the paper but sort of got the point that it wasn;t as sinple as I first thought and with gravatational lensing
    and redshift which isn;t that difficult to understand.
    Link please, that sounds interesting. I'm running a lot of telescope data through my computers and have got rather interested in it.

    Can;'t find the link it was a while ago but I made a note of the star. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GN-z11
    From what i can tell, it was 13.8 billion light years away when it was as we're observing it, hence the light took that long to get here. it's moved since what we're watching.

    Yep and the error is using the term light years for a distance measurement I guess.
    So as well as going back in time there;s also the distance to be moved.

    But they could ask you to start it up,
    It could just be a plain 3.5" disk with no way to talk to it.
    and x-rays can see oddities in such a think.
    They can't get through steel.

    There must be some way or it'd be done on a large scale.
    It most likely is. Black market dealers are a lot brighter than the law. I know a local drug dealer who outsmarted the police in court. She got let off with "not proven". She makes a living selling "street Valium".

    I've been on jury service you can;t really out smart the police it's more that they don;t have enough evidence for a jury to convict on.
    They have not enough evidence because they're thick or lazy. Someone once smashed my car window and they couldn't even be bothered taking fingerprints. They said if I didn't know who it was, they couldn't do anything. A friend got every single
    window of her car smashed, but she figured out herself it was probably her daughter's ex boyfriend. Nice new top of the range Honda Civic aswell, must have cost a few grand to fix. Not sure who ended up paying.
    It's not uncommon to get someone esle to to the job for you for a small fee. :-)

    That's why she got off with not proven, which is differnt from not giulty.
    Either way she doesn't get a punishment.

    Doesnt; mean she outsmarted the police though.
    Only way to do that would be for teh crime not to be reported or know of. Typically the perfect murder, no body, no evidence so no one can be found guilty
    She got let off, she wasted their time, excellent result.

    Had a similar thing in case I was on, the kids didn't outsmart the cops the defence did that.
    If the kids were that smart they wouldn't have had 100s of small plastic bags in a box with over £300 in cash in it.
    They wouldn;t have had longv rizzlas in there either and a lighter or two and some rolled up cardboard as filters, when the police bardged in.
    They the kids also wouldn;t have let the police see them throw around 1/4 oz of something behind the sofa.



    The dealers ttry to stay one spep ahead but it;s more to do with the number of attempts on getting drugs through.
    Not everything is checked at shipping ports and lots more drugs get through than is found.
    You just have to make sure nothing leads back to you as a dealer.
    It's fucking stupid they go after drugs at all. It's nobody's business what people put in their bodies.

    Depends on what those bodies do to others when on drugs, or what people do in order to sell the drugs.
    Then do them for that, not the drugs.

    Depends on the damage selling fake drugs that don;t work or that are dangerous .


    Crash your car and kill somebody when sober, get into the same shit as when drunk. The end result is all that matters.

    Yep.
    Unless of corse it;s some sort of mecahnical/electrical failure that isn't the fault of the drive.

    Mostly PVC and things like it .
    Yip, that's for plastic bags, not people.

    Most shell suits are some shitty type of plastic .
    Yeah my sister's caught fire once, that was funny, well I thought it was anyway.

    I'd probbely laugh too provided no one got too badly hurt.
    Must have been one of those cheap chinese knock-off that have fake fire resistant labels.
    This was back in the 80s/90s, i don't think any of them were fire resistant.

    A good cvase for H&S then .

    Side effect of losing body hair , having evolved from apes.
    The hair isn't needed,

    Hair is needed or we wouldn't have it.
    Bullshit. Evolution works by randomness.

    For a common goal it''s not truely random.
    Most humans have two eyes or at least have places for two eyes same as most mammals even birds.
    If it were random some would have more others less.
    When major things like that happen, they die off. The one eyed animals don't have 3D vision and can't see how far away their predators are.

    Yep that evoloution and survival of the fitest or strongest comes from animals adapt of generations.


    Which countries are those where people walked around naked, there aren't any there's a reason for that.
    A lot of Africa.

    Pretty low IQ generally, yet yuo'd think if that's where man first originated the IQ would be higher not lower.
    They're living a nice easy life instead of working too hard like us.

    I try not to work hard but efficiently.

    Most animals are naked but maybe that's because genrally they have an IQl ess than that of a 3 year-old child.
    No, it's because they aren't as prudish as us. Mind you I do hate seeing cats when their tails go straight up (which they do when happy) exposing their dirty anus.

    Most cats don;t have dirty anuses.
    How can a hole shit comes through not be dirty?

    From whos POV, they can like them hole clean and do.
    Can humans do that ?
    Shit is food to many insects and even some mamals .
    I think it;s older mice that eat the shit of young mice which improves the life expentancy of the adult mice.

    Horse and pig shits is unsed as fertaliser .


    neither are clothes. People are obsessed with being warm. They get all upset if they shiver, but for some reason are ok pouring with sweat (which is far worse as you can quickly dehydrate).
    I've done running races in summer where stupid folk (everyone else in the race) had a tshirt on. I didn't. They were pouring with sweat and I was comfortable, and overtook loads of them. Several said, "that's a good idea" - they hadn't
    thought of it!

    Strange professonal athletes don't do it, or wear the bare minium why is that.
    From 100M to the marathon if whjat you say is correct they would be wearing as little as possible.
    Most athletes do wear not very much, but there are silly rules. For example I watched a triathlon in SUMMER and they had full wetsuits on, very inconvenient when they had to strip them off to cycle. The swim was like 10 minutes in summer
    temperature water.

    Swimmers have their body hair, some even remove beards and mustaches, don;t see many hairy swimmers in the Olympics.
    Other than perhaps shot-put and hammer.
    Indeed, hair is a nuisance. Cyclists aswell, as it gets into wounds when they fall off.

    Bicycles aren't natural though they don;t grow on trees, same with motorbikes so people wear protective gear for when they fall off.
    A bicycle is not dangerous enough to need protection.

    Unless you fall off. If they hadn't had been on a bike the wouldn;t have had the accident.
    I've fallen off a bicycle many times, it doesn't usually harm you much.

    Not usualy , but tehre are occasions when it does, falling head first onto soil isn;t so bad try that with a concteted road or metal barrier .

    Chutes aren;t natural but if you won;t to go up in an unnatrual hieght in an unnatural plane you seem to want to wear such an unnatural thing.
    People parachute naked. There's a famous video of someone's cock flapping about on a naked jump.

    But why wear a chute it;s not natural , why not rely on nature with arms legs and cock flapping birds do it.
    Not enough feathers on my cock. Unlike this guy who has an enormous cock! https://cdn.lolhome.com/img/44/funny-picture-50.jpg

    He sure does, well handy at christmas.

    That's the thing humans have eveolved not to live in the natural environment.
    But if yuor life is more like an chgimps with a lower IQ than most humans you'll be quite happy spending yuor time sitting around naked
    and wanking yourself off, but us evolved humans havea much richer lifestyle even if we'll destroy ourselves in the not too distant future.
    The Natural world will carry on, just like it did 65 million years ago, it'll just change and those most siuted to that change will prosper.
    Yes, people like me will be fine, people like you will cry because there's no McDonalds.

    Last time I was in McDs was feb 1993 around 9am. GF liked McDs breakfasts then we went to portobello rd where she bought an old bakerlite phone.
    It was bloody cold that day, & buying the phone and McDs (as previously hadn;t been to a McDs since 1991, didn't buy anything though.
    But flatmate did made it memorable.
    Bet you weren't naked though.

    No doubt we'd have got into macDs if we were.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Tue Sep 13 09:19:01 2022
    On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 13:28:38 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 01:49:19 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 13:26:03 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 03:02:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ah those were the days,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIpFTM8q3s
    They should bring back the belt.

    Yeah I bought it one of my whips to enforce socail distancing ;-) >> >> >> >> One of your whips? How many do you got?

    Just two, they were bought for me a sort of joke thing.Never really used them on anyone.
    "Never really"? So sort of?

    Well tried cracking it a few times I'm not that good at it and it was only done na few times.
    Such as in Oi where's my breakfast luv .
    I have a whip app on my phone. It makes a noise when i shake the phone hard.

    I prefer the real thing rather than this simulation stuff ;-)

    Master or slave?

    Both as a master I tell her what to cook me for breakfast and as a slave I have to eat it :-)

    ROFL!

    Some people can't control their emotions or acts.
    What's your opinion on nudist camps then?

    Don't really have one I went not my sort of thing I guess.
    Clothes are irrational.

    I use mine for keeping my keys 2 bunches, 4-6 cards, a bit of money and that's just to get to work.
    My housekey is attached to my wrist strap, a little RFID tag. For money you only need 1 card, or even just your phone.

    were would o keep your phone ?
    You can get arm pouches for phones. I have one, but I've only ever used it to carry a chocolate bar in a marathon - my secret weapon!

    Why do marathon runners wear so many clothes
    Because they're idiots. I run in shorts and bare feet.

    Animals run with bare feet , some have evolved into hooves , while others have differing toes and some have fingers others have paws.
    But as yet we haven't eveloved foot that run well on concrete or tarmac, some have webbing between their toes I assume you don;t.
    . Of course there are even more modern things such as glass , metal even plastic (lego bricks) that are very painful if trodden on.
    We even put shoes on horses .

    Bullshit. I and many other people can walk over broken glass without getting cut,

    Only if you know it is there.

    Why would you need to know?

    and have no problem at all with running on tarmac for miles.

    Even when it;s melting in the heat .

    Yes.

    Your feet very quickly thicken the skin. As does any part of you, people who write a lot get thick skin on one side of one of their fingers where the pen rubs it.

    Yes humans can adapt to the enviroment they are in but it takes time.

    Not long.

    If it were natural to walk on glass or tarmac we'd all be born with thick skin on our feet, but we aren't.
    Poeple that work harfd with their hands build up calaces and hard skin over time.

    If your child is born barefoot and you never give it shoes, it will thicken it's skin as it begins to walk. In fact three of my friends when i was a kid walked around naked outside most of the time. Guess what, never cut their feet, never got sunburnt.

    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    Go up to around 38C in london a couple of weeks ago.
    I thought you'd be running in direct sunlight .

    The pouch is black so the sunlight doesn't get through.

    So it heats up black absorbs the visable wavelenghs and turns it into heat.

    There isn't actually much difference between the colours for that. Otherwise they'd have to make central heating radiators black.

    And quite often the sun is on the other side of me, so my body shields the chocolate. Most races aren't in a straight line.

    So you can never be sure where the sun might hit you.

    But it won't be more than 50% of the time.

    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.
    Legistale?

    Legistate, or how they decide what is fair and what isn't such as amphetamine sulphate or even marijuana

    The easiest thing would be to let anyone take what they like, after all it's their own bodies they're harming.

    Perhaps it;s worth protecting people from their own stupidity.

    No it isn't, that's why the world is overpopulated with morons.

    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.
    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    Only after it's burnt

    No, you only get burnt if you suddenly increase the sun amount before your skin is used to it.

    Wgich is what happens over time usually generations, have you never wonderered why nigerains are very black but scandinavians are very pail.

    A deep tan can happen in a month, that's you protected.

    and if doesn't really affect the amount of UV especaily UV B

    It most certainly does, that's the whole purpose of a tan.

    No it doesn't UVA & B work ddifferntly on the skin anyway.
    Even black peolpe get skin cancer from the sun.

    What a load of media hyped bollocks.

    On that topic.... perineum sunning!

    When at work I need pockets for tools and all sorts of things.
    Can't imagine many jobs wwere clothes of some sort are an advantage.
    So wear a tool belt and nothing else. I guarantee you'll get laid or fired within the hour.
    to one in France and there were 3000 people, of all ages from toddlers to OAPs, all completely starkers. And guess what, I never saw a single erection.

    Why would you, a female friend asked me why do men find it sexier to see her in a very short skirt, and wearing a bikini bottom as knickers,
    than when she's on a beach wearing the same bikini bottom.
    I said it's probbaly down to what you almost see and imagination .
    No, I get a stiffy as soon as a woman gets naked. But that's when we're about to fuck. Being naked on a beach isn't sexual, it's natural.

    That's why I don't se nudist camps as sexual, they just don;t interest me.
    So you only like sexual things? A nudist beach is just a relaxing place to go.

    I don't find beaches relaxing they bore me.
    You do something fun to get tired, then relax. Go windsurfing or swimming or running or something.

    I find that sort of shit boring.
    Then pick one that requires some constant input, like trying not to fall off the windsurf.

    Doesn;t seem to be a naturla thing to do if I needed to do things on water I'd be like jesus or
    I'd have webbede feet.

    It's fun though.

    Maybe that's why it;'s general the less inteligent that wear less cloths to busy fantasing over other peolpes bodies
    to get anything done.
    Maybe that's why there's not many inventions or even art from countries were they tend to not wear many clothes .
    Ypu must know the theory of getting an infinite number of monkeys to type eventually you'd get a shakesparian phrase.
    well they tried it with a lot of moneys but all that happend was the typwriter got covered in spunk.

    Which do you prefer, fun or intelligence? Let someone else do the maths.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive.
    It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.
    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Who's ashamed, are you ashamed to take a dump outside the local pub ?

    That causes a stench.

    Why do you care the wind takes it away .

    Not if nearby someone else is doing it too.

    Same with any sport I'm probbaly more interested in sport now than I was as a kid,
    but just watching it though.
    I'm the opposite, watching is boring, participating is the fun. You don't sit and watch people playing computer games, you don't sit and watch them play monopoly. You do it yourself.

    Plenty of people watch sport including darts and snooker.
    Something like 9 million watched the lioness win that football trophy.
    They're morons. Entertainment for the masses.

    Not everyone plays football.

    So what? Play something that interests you then.
    Not really interesting in playing sport.
    I don't like stuff like football, but a running race is fun.

    for me it's about a much fun as scoring a goal.
    Every time you overtake someone it's fun. And it's nice to see spectators cheering at your bare chest. I got hosed down on a hot day when running a marathon, a woman had produced a hosepipe and was cooling off anyone who wanted it.

    I guess so btu I wouldn't want to spend much of my time doing it.

    Yeah you get a worse race time if you hang around letting the woman ogle you.

    And there's a massive market in Esports and growing all the time. >> >> >> >> > The streaming platfom twitch.tv was set up for it.
    People playing call of duty etc I know a few that watch others play.
    That's just stupid. Play the game don't watch it.

    Its; a good way of leanring how to play.
    Rubbish, experience teaches you anything way faster, that's why kids do experiments at school and not just listen to the teacher.

    They normally watch the teacher first or at least watch a utube nowerdays.
    First maybe, but you need to do something yourself to remember it.

    Yep and then learn how to do it better, and there's sports science which we do here.
    Also watching a video of yourself so you can see how to improve.
    Even animals learn from watching .

    I admit you are correct.
    How did you learn how to jump out of a plane they just took you up and pushed you out did they.
    Not much to it really. Which angle to jump, which cord to pull, etc.

    Not much to it then.

    No, very simple. Easier than Call of Duty. You only have 5 things to do. Pull left, pull right, open emergency chute, discard original chute, kick legs for untangling.

    I perhaps can understand the thrill of it but I could get the same from call of duty.
    Haven;t played that but have played some games on-line andn it is fun.

    You don't get the physical feeling of adrenaline from a computer game.

    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.
    The Queen skydived?!
    and probbaly quite natural ;-)
    Royalty isn't natural.

    Most animals have some sort of hierarchie and the more inteligent don't put the dumbest
    as their leaders unlike humans.

    We don't need leaders, we can all look after ourselves.

    Most can't you needed someone to fold your chute and someone to pilot the plane.

    And i paid them to do so. Nobody should ever do things without our asking.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Sep 13 05:50:37 2022
    On Tuesday, 13 September 2022 at 09:19:11 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 13:28:38 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Animals run with bare feet , some have evolved into hooves , while others have differing toes and some have fingers others have paws.
    But as yet we haven't eveloved foot that run well on concrete or tarmac, some have webbing between their toes I assume you don;t.
    . Of course there are even more modern things such as glass , metal even plastic (lego bricks) that are very painful if trodden on.
    We even put shoes on horses .

    Bullshit. I and many other people can walk over broken glass without getting cut,

    Only if you know it is there.
    Why would you need to know?

    It's similar to walking on hot coals and laying on a bed of nails almost anyone can do it with a bit of training.
    It;s about gradualy applying pressure where the sharp object touches the skin. Or with hot coals it;s about using the right wood, raking so the cooler darker embers can be seen and walked on the smaller red embers too has they'll extinguish under pressure.

    Of course it also depends on how thick your skin is too.

    and have no problem at all with running on tarmac for miles.

    Even when it;s melting in the heat .
    Yes.

    Here in London the tarmac got so hot it's started to melt, the same happened at hearthow airport.

    Strange that the vast majority of runners wear something on their feet, I guess they know something you don't.


    Your feet very quickly thicken the skin. As does any part of you, people who write a lot get thick skin on one side of one of their fingers where the pen rubs it.

    Yes humans can adapt to the enviroment they are in but it takes time.
    Not long.

    Not for some things but when it comes down to enviroment it takes generations and longer.
    Why do you think we have pailer skins than from those that can out of africa it didn;t happen overnight or even over a few years.
    Same with losing body hair after the ice age.


    If it were natural to walk on glass or tarmac we'd all be born with thick skin on our feet, but we aren't.
    Poeple that work harfd with their hands build up calaces and hard skin over time.
    If your child is born barefoot and you never give it shoes, it will thicken it's skin as it begins to walk. In fact three of my friends when i was a kid walked around naked outside most of the time. Guess what, never cut their feet, never got sunburnt.

    Depends where you live.
    Why aren't babies born with thick skin on their feet for walking.
    Why do babies grow hair on their head at the very least ?


    and don;t chocaolate bars melt in the heat.
    They melt at about 27C. It's usually not that hot unless they're in direct sunlight.

    Go up to around 38C in london a couple of weeks ago.
    I thought you'd be running in direct sunlight .

    The pouch is black so the sunlight doesn't get through.

    So it heats up black absorbs the visable wavelenghs and turns it into heat.
    There isn't actually much difference between the colours for that.

    Yes there is.

    Otherwise they'd have to make central heating radiators black.

    That's a style choice though, few people like black as a colour choice for such things.
    Not many washing machines, fridges, freezers etc.. are made in black.
    It's nothing to do with heat though.
    Not many opt for green, blue or red, orange or even yellow.
    Grey & silver seem to sell.


    And quite often the sun is on the other side of me, so my body shields the chocolate. Most races aren't in a straight line.

    So you can never be sure where the sun might hit you.
    But it won't be more than 50% of the time.
    I klnow the runners and cyclists have gel packs for energy often wondered how they legistale such things.
    Legistale?

    Legistate, or how they decide what is fair and what isn't such as amphetamine sulphate or even marijuana

    The easiest thing would be to let anyone take what they like, after all it's their own bodies they're harming.

    Perhaps it;s worth protecting people from their own stupidity.
    No it isn't, that's why the world is overpopulated with morons.

    Plenty of those die from drinking and smoking problems. Car crashes , guns, .


    Don;t think I could cope this weather being naked pretty hot in london and the heat reflecting off the concrete .
    Then there's the risk of sunburn.
    WTF? At 41C with clothes on you'd be soaked with sweat. Naked means it can evaporate. And your skin adjusts to UV levels, it's called a tan.

    It's called being burnt, skin cancer.
    A myth.

    A reality.
    No, the tan lowers the amount that gets through.

    Only after it's burnt

    No, you only get burnt if you suddenly increase the sun amount before your skin is used to it.

    Wgich is what happens over time usually generations, have you never wonderered why nigerains are very black but scandinavians are very pail.
    A deep tan can happen in a month, that's you protected.

    No it doesn't.

    and if doesn't really affect the amount of UV especaily UV B

    It most certainly does, that's the whole purpose of a tan.

    No it doesn't UVA & B work ddifferntly on the skin anyway.
    Even black peolpe get skin cancer from the sun.
    What a load of media hyped bollocks.

    Just search for the facts easy to find.


    On that topic.... perineum sunning!

    Only the really stupid would do that.


    Doesn;t seem to be a naturla thing to do if I needed to do things on water I'd be like jesus or
    I'd have webbede feet.

    It's fun though.

    Maybe that's why it;'s general the less inteligent that wear less cloths to busy fantasing over other peolpes bodies
    to get anything done.
    Maybe that's why there's not many inventions or even art from countries were they tend to not wear many clothes .
    Ypu must know the theory of getting an infinite number of monkeys to type eventually you'd get a shakesparian phrase.
    well they tried it with a lot of moneys but all that happend was the typwriter got covered in spunk.
    Which do you prefer, fun or intelligence? Let someone else do the maths.

    Well it might be fun jumping out of a plane, but you need to have a little bit of intelligence you need a chute
    even though a pigeon doesn;t need one.
    It also helps if you're inteligent enough to realise that you need someone that can fold a chute properly
    rarther that just throw it in a plastic carrier bag. But some say such health and softy is a waste of time.

    I'd be up for letting any idiot jump out of a plane and not believe H&S has a part to play.

    Years ago people got excited about seeing ankels and then knees
    It's pathetic. Sex is natural and we should all be fucking anyone we see.

    Pissing and shitting is natural and needs doing more often , but I wouldn;t want to see someone taking a dump next to me
    while I was eating or having sex.
    Do you get upset if you see someone stopped by the side of the road taking a leak?

    No I've seen it but it;s not the sort of thing I find attractive. >> >> >> It's just a natural thing that has to be done.

    So are lots of things.
    Which we shouldn't be ashamed of.

    Who's ashamed, are you ashamed to take a dump outside the local pub ?

    That causes a stench.

    Why do you care the wind takes it away .
    Not if nearby someone else is doing it too.

    Ah so you don;t like people doing natural things nearby to you.
    I thought your claim that was if it's natural you should be allowed to do it and fuck what others think.


    No, very simple. Easier than Call of Duty. You only have 5 things to do. Pull left, pull right, open emergency chute, discard original chute, kick legs for untangling.

    I perhaps can understand the thrill of it but I could get the same from call of duty.
    Haven;t played that but have played some games on-line andn it is fun.
    You don't get the physical feeling of adrenaline from a computer game.

    You do but it could be a differnt feels.
    Lots of people watch quiz games on TV far more than run in marathons.
    Some get fun from painting or writing other from differnmt sports.
    Some on computer games each in some way give people a buzz.


    There was no jumping from small hieghts learning how to fall or anything like that ?
    Well if the queen managed it iat the 2012 olypics it can't be that difficult can it.
    The Queen skydived?!
    and probbaly quite natural ;-)
    Royalty isn't natural.

    Most animals have some sort of hierarchie and the more inteligent don't put the dumbest
    as their leaders unlike humans.

    We don't need leaders, we can all look after ourselves.

    Most can't you needed someone to fold your chute and someone to pilot the plane.
    And i paid them to do so. Nobody should ever do things without our asking.

    So you need leaders which should be people that know more about the subject.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Whisky-dave on Wed Sep 14 05:42:34 2022
    On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 13:45:10 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 08:57:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:28:12 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 04:44:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays.
    It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.
    99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Not sure if that's true in todays world in the UK anyway.

    There;s same sex marriages
    Only 5% of people are homosexual.

    It's higher than tha, nearer 10% but it depends on who counting and in which country .

    i thought it was 4% of men and 5% of women. i can't believe 1 in 10 people I meet are gay.

    For the USA:
    https://www.gaytravel.com/gay-blog/lgbt-population-statistics
    ROFL! 4.5% of Americans identify as gay or bisexual, yet 8.2% have engaged in same sex sex. So er.... gay rape?

    and if so called normal mairages have changed .
    Not sure what you mean buy in the normal way far more married women go out to work than used to 50 years ago.
    I mean a man and a woman living together in love with each other, no stuff for green cards etc.

    The idea of a normal marrige isn;t what it was.

    It's still the most common.

    And far more people just live together in what uo might call the normal way. And when they split it doesn't get registatred as a divorce or an end to
    people living together in the normal way.
    Irrelevant. i'm counting those who got married then change their mind.

    So what does that tell you.
    were they wrong to get married ?

    Mostly yes. They might have had 10 happy years, but a lot are very unhappy. Mind you my Uncle stayed with his 1st wife and had one child (she already had another two) for about 15 years. The child was fine with having seperated parents (basically she
    now had two couples she could be with). He stayed with his second wife until he died. As for happiness, they were all always grumbling about each other, but i think i'd call it "happy". His second wife almost lost it when he passed away, but she was a
    little mentally odd.

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.
    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    Yes I can imagine, there's always been the battle axe type but I also think women have become more aggressive over recent times.
    I think gradually men and women are becoming closer together.

    I guess that's the aim of equality.

    I wrote that wrong. I meant a typical man and a typical woman are no longer so different to each other. Not just emotionally but physically.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to You just sit in an exam hall and on Wed Sep 14 05:42:24 2022
    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.
    Glass is heavier than water.

    But brushing it up moves it around, and yuo could never be sire you'd get it all, it's not like it just falls in a nice neat pile below the window.
    Depends on the type of glass.

    window glass was around the pool as it was an oldish building 1900s.

    There are underwater hoovers for these things.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.
    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    Who tested you ? I did an online test years ago aftter a few beers got about 133 a friend who got 140 but he only failed to get into MENSA by a few points.
    Not sure I;d trust any figure unless it was an offically done test.
    i did several online tests and they all agreed within a couple of points.

    Not sure that means much as they are on-line tests and have certain restrictions on doing things.

    Like what? The test isn't that complicated.

    Maybe a VR one might be more accurate.
    I don't think MENSA would accept an on-line test.

    I did a real test once and get a similar result. You just sit in an exam hall and write answers on paper. No different really to doing it online.

    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.
    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Most kids seem to what a brother or a sister.
    I didn't want mine.

    I wonder if the feeling was mutual.

    Yes it was. We still only speak to each other about once a year.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?
    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    It's for people with little imagination.
    So you play computer games on a Commodore 64?

    No but the gameplay is important far more than fancy graphics.

    Indeed, I play Civilization. But you don't need 3D stuff for strategy. But i still wouldn't play Civilization version 1 with 90s graphics.
    V1: https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/43/42020/Background.png
    V6: https://brownbc898.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/6/6/126687589/545237457.jpg

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?
    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    That's why brown fat is consiideredd good but you cna only generate a certain amount of it, then it goes to white fat
    which doen't get burnt up as easlity and this is when people but on weight and get fat.
    Brown fat cells don't burn up. They convert glucose to heat and remain there.

    Yep so if you eat too much it just menas the white fat cells have to store it up as more fat.

    Unless you swim outdoors in winter, then the brown ones eat it up.

    after all animals in the wild often don't get a choice.

    They do, animals can usually eat what is aviable if the right food suff doesn't exist then the species doesn't survive
    It's what survival of the fitest really means it's not about who is the stonger indivudual.
    I doubt any animal knows which food is better for it. It eats what's available or tasty.

    They do they have senses and experience.
    Some get it wrong, but generally in the wild they are OK.
    They have eyes and a nose they can use.
    They know what's poisonous, but I doubt they have a grasp of vitamins.

    They don;t need to, this is why horses and even dogs eat their own shit as they know they contain something they need
    that isn's passed to them in the first 'eating'.

    Dogs will eat other dogs shit if they smell that it contains high levels of the things they need.
    Some dogs get fed healthy dieds and they stuill shit out so called good protiens.

    It happens with many animals .
    And us. I can smell what's good for me. We also get a desire for a certain food, I bet that's our brain requiring certain nutrients.

    True but we can also get it wrong.
    So can nutritionists. Look at the number of times they changed their minds which fats were best for you.

    Yes and even how much excercise
    Exercise causes injuries. Sit and watch TV and live longer!

    Well everything in moderation.
    Think of how many pizzas and burgers you can eat in a day just watching TV, don;t even need to ecercise to walk to the shop,
    just need to have a phone nearby

    How did this one even get into the car? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wab6qP38tYg/T2C61FITGuI/AAAAAAAACq8/Kjb3ZTDY3G4/s1600/World's+Fattest+Woman+(1).jpg

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Sep 14 06:01:59 2022
    On Wednesday, 14 September 2022 at 05:42:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    They kept having to drain our pool as someone that hatted swimming kept throwing a brick though the window and glass would end up ion teh pool.
    Happened quite a few times .
    Just send someone in with a dustpan and brush.

    Not sure those work underwater.
    Glass is heavier than water.

    But brushing it up moves it around, and yuo could never be sire you'd get it all, it's not like it just falls in a nice neat pile below the window.
    Depends on the type of glass.

    window glass was around the pool as it was an oldish building 1900s.
    There are underwater hoovers for these things.

    Maybe the school didn't have one in the early 70s.

    When I were a lad near Dundee (rough place where they set fire to police cars) someone decided it would be funny to jam a razor blade in the join in one of the water slides.

    Strange the way those of lower IQ have a differnt sense of humour.
    I have a 135 IQ and I thought it was funny.

    Who tested you ? I did an online test years ago aftter a few beers got about 133 a friend who got 140 but he only failed to get into MENSA by a few points.
    Not sure I;d trust any figure unless it was an offically done test.
    i did several online tests and they all agreed within a couple of points.

    Not sure that means much as they are on-line tests and have certain restrictions on doing things.
    Like what? The test isn't that complicated.

    Time, possible cheating , not everything can be tested on-line.

    Maybe a VR one might be more accurate.
    I don't think MENSA would accept an on-line test.
    I did a real test once and get a similar result. You just sit in an exam hall and write answers on paper. No different really to doing it online.

    Then why don't mensa accept such things.

    It seems stange that when I was talking about a student designing an propulsion system for space travel you suggested we could test it outside our building.
    I thought most people know that generally speaking outside London building we have an air pressure of about 1000mb perhaps -3 to +40C air temperature which is
    most;ly made up of 80% notrogen and aboiut 20% oxygen
    Where as in space it;s about -270C, no pressure as such and close to no nitrogen or oxygen.
    So testing such an engine outside would prove nothing.

    and then there's brain strengh can be measure by how much alcohol affects you.
    Oh and yuo don't need to wear clothes

    I guess that's why einstiens was so well known for walking around naked and pissed up. ;-)



    One of my girlfriends was married with 4 kids. She kept thinking about leaving him for me, but living in a seperate house nearby as two people, 15 parrots, and 4 kids in one house would be a fucking mess.

    Yeah 4 kids , an Irish GF said she wanted to have 5 daughters as she was one of 5 girls.
    Closests I;ve ever come to a heart attack was when she cuddeld up to me saying I'd really like 5 children.. all girls...
    Like you can control if they're girls. Could have an abortion if they're the wrong one I guess.

    I wouldn;t of cared what gender they were but 5 is far too many I was thuinking cloers to zero.
    I'd like one. Be better to give it your full attention.

    I think 2 is a good number, 3 perhaps .
    You said closer to zero a minute ago.

    For me personally yes ZERO, but generally speaking for the good of the kids they need a sibling or two.

    Single kids I know are much happier. More attention more money sent on them, bigger inheritance. Most kids prefer friends not siblings.

    Not in the early years.
    Bullshit, when younger their parents are who they like.

    Most kids seem to what a brother or a sister.
    I didn't want mine.

    I wonder if the feeling was mutual.
    Yes it was. We still only speak to each other about once a year.

    Not to suprising.

    check out the southpark episode Turd burglers ;-)
    I hate that program.

    Why ?
    Childish shite and simply drawn cartoons that belong in the 70s. What happened to CGI?

    It's for people with little imagination.
    So you play computer games on a Commodore 64?

    No but the gameplay is important far more than fancy graphics.
    Indeed, I play Civilization. But you don't need 3D stuff for strategy. But i still wouldn't play Civilization version 1 with 90s graphics.

    I prefer simcity 2000 to the later ones with better graphic but the gameplay is crap.

    V1: https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/43/42020/Background.png
    V6: https://brownbc898.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/6/6/126687589/545237457.jpg

    eye candy is nice maybe that's why I prefer certain types and not like shell suites and blue jeans.
    For me testris is tetris doesn;t really matter what the graphics are like.

    Why are there more unhealthy blods and fat isn't just fat there is at least two types I know of brown and white fat.
    Brown fat is what stops you being a sissy in cold water.

    Where do you get that idea from ?
    Brown fat cells create heat directly.

    That's why brown fat is consiideredd good but you cna only generate a certain amount of it, then it goes to white fat
    which doen't get burnt up as easlity and this is when people but on weight and get fat.
    Brown fat cells don't burn up. They convert glucose to heat and remain there.

    Yep so if you eat too much it just menas the white fat cells have to store it up as more fat.
    Unless you swim outdoors in winter, then the brown ones eat it up.

    Maybe that's why there are no fat people in scotland

    Exercise causes injuries. Sit and watch TV and live longer!

    Well everything in moderation.
    Think of how many pizzas and burgers you can eat in a day just watching TV, don;t even need to ecercise to walk to the shop,
    just need to have a phone nearby
    How did this one even get into the car? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wab6qP38tYg/T2C61FITGuI/AAAAAAAACq8/Kjb3ZTDY3G4/s1600/World's+Fattest+Woman+(1).jpg

    yes it is amazing and could the car actually drive off .
    How do people get so fat , it can hardly be from eating salads and natural foods .
    It must be from processed foods being delivered , I doubt she could catch a carrot if it was runing aways from her.

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Sep 14 07:06:05 2022
    On Wednesday, 14 September 2022 at 05:42:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 13:45:10 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 08:57:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:28:12 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 04:44:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:00 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 22:01:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:16:18 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 23:46:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:31:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 00:18:59 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:08:34 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I klnew a few couples like that not married but been together over 25+ years.
    It's not like they don;t have arguments it;'s just that they seem to work things out.
    1 in 3 marriages end in divorce.

    Pretty useless stat. really has little meaning nowerdays. >> >> >> >> >> It means what it's always meant, maths hasn't changed that much. It means 1000 people get divorced and 2000 live happily. Not good numbers.

    What about those that a separated, or just married but don't live together.
    That's hardly a successful marriage.

    Depends what you mean by successful marriage.
    I have known of a few marriages for passports have taken place some are still married although they have no contact with each other.
    I'm talking about a partner you live with and fuck.

    That's not the defintion of marriage though.
    So when looking at marriage stats it doesn;t mean what poee think it does.
    99% of marriages are simply a man and wife living together in the normal way.

    Not sure if that's true in todays world in the UK anyway.

    There;s same sex marriages
    Only 5% of people are homosexual.

    It's higher than tha, nearer 10% but it depends on who counting and in which country .
    i thought it was 4% of men and 5% of women. i can't believe 1 in 10 people I meet are gay.

    Doesn't suprise , there's little reason in most of the UK to hide if you're gay, but in some countries being gay means you are put to death
    so obviously there are virtually no gay people in those countries.


    For the USA:
    https://www.gaytravel.com/gay-blog/lgbt-population-statistics
    ROFL! 4.5% of Americans identify as gay or bisexual, yet 8.2% have engaged in same sex sex. So er.... gay rape?

    Even more say than have been ubducted by aliens and have been anally probed.

    Mostly in areas of middle america where women stay at home and the men go out drinking under the stars and open fire.
    I can guess why some wake up with a sore 'ass' but no one wants to admit to being gay because it's against god or something.


    and if so called normal mairages have changed .
    Not sure what you mean buy in the normal way far more married women go out to work than used to 50 years ago.
    I mean a man and a woman living together in love with each other, no stuff for green cards etc.

    The idea of a normal marrige isn;t what it was.
    It's still the most common.

    Well there;s not that many options on form to include marriages where you can get off with someone else just for sex.
    And the ones where you can be married to one person but live together as a threesome or even foursome.

    And far more people just live together in what uo might call the normal way. And when they split it doesn't get registatred as a divorce or an end to
    people living together in the normal way.
    Irrelevant. i'm counting those who got married then change their mind.

    So what does that tell you.
    were they wrong to get married ?
    Mostly yes. They might have had 10 happy years, but a lot are very unhappy. Mind you my Uncle stayed with his 1st wife and had one child (she already had another two) for about 15 years. The child was fine with having seperated parents (basically she
    now had two couples she could be with). He stayed with his second wife until he died. As for happiness, they were all always grumbling about each other, but i think i'd call it "happy". His second wife almost lost it when he passed away, but she was a
    little mentally odd.

    I think being mentally odd is part of being female ;-)

    Even the GF I had in the band was going to marry a guy named dave, I'd heard this romour and when I asked her about it she said yes
    it's gay dave he agreed to marry me so I can get a english passport , I said that won;t work he;s scottich so youd have a scottish passport.
    She was a bit confused at the point but I had to explain that is was a joke and that;s she;s have a EU passport.
    After we split she found herself an Engish BF and a year later she married him , I was the photographer and the cocktail maker at her wedding.
    She made the punch lots of loverly alcohol but insisted it was springled with a few grams of speed.

    They aren't together now she is back in finland and isna facebook friend, no idea what happened to him though.
    ROFL! You meet interesting people.

    Yeah a line of fun, wierd or problematic.

    Talking of which my ex french flatmate told me she is moving in with her boyfriend she says they have the same mentality.
    Sounds like a disaster about to happen.
    There's a council estate near here which is fun to walk through. Some of the women are quite aggressive.

    Yes I can imagine, there's always been the battle axe type but I also think women have become more aggressive over recent times.
    I think gradually men and women are becoming closer together.

    I guess that's the aim of equality.
    I wrote that wrong. I meant a typical man and a typical woman are no longer so different to each other. Not just emotionally but physically.

    A lot is changed by fashion and trends , couple are having kids alter than they used to too.
    Plus more couple are deciding not to have kids .

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