Which means thousands of streaming radio gear are now paperweights. Unless someone else steps in.
First time I've seen hardware actually killed by
a cloud service.
In article <505692ee-f0a6-406e...@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Which means thousands of streaming radio gear are now paperweights. Unless someone else steps in.too few people used it to be profitable. very simple.
people stream audio on their phone or computer, not an 'internet
radio', which was a stupid idea from the start.
First time I've seen hardware actually killed byit's not the first nor will it be the last.
a cloud service.
On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 12:06:27 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article <505692ee-f0a6-406e...@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Which means thousands of streaming radio gear are nowtoo few people used it to be profitable. very simple.
paperweights. Unless someone else steps in.
people stream audio on their phone or computer, not an 'internet
radio', which was a stupid idea from the start.
First time I've seen hardware actually killed byit's not the first nor will it be the last.
a cloud service.
One of the radio makers, Grace, offered "discounts" on a new radio
tied to a new service as compensation for the fact their (and other)
radios are now bricks. More than Qualcomm did.
So no internet radio at all?
that's what phones, computers and smart speakers are for.
Have some old radio gear with Internet Radio (must admit I haven't tried
it for a while), FM, and DAB+
So no internet radio at all?
In article <iqho4cFb1bcU3@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
So no internet radio at all?
that's what phones, computers and smart speakers are for.
On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 12:06:27 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article <505692ee-f0a6-406e...@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
Which means thousands of streaming radio gear are now paperweights. Unless >>> someone else steps in.too few people used it to be profitable. very simple.
people stream audio on their phone or computer, not an 'internet
radio', which was a stupid idea from the start.
First time I've seen hardware actually killed byit's not the first nor will it be the last.
a cloud service.
One of the radio makers, Grace, offered "discounts" on a new radio tied to a new service as compensation for the fact their (and other) radios are now bricks.
More than Qualcomm did.
In article <iqhpl9Fb8neU2@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
So no internet radio at all?
that's what phones, computers and smart speakers are for.
Have some old radio gear with Internet Radio (must admit I haven't tried
it for a while), FM, and DAB+
an internet radio is one of the dumbest ideas. it's not at all
surprising to see it fail.
terrestrial radio is also doomed although that will be a slow decline.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar services, podcasts and much more.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar services, podcasts and much more.
I think internet radio's a good idea, but hardly likely to be mainstream. I very occasionally use it to access my local radio station when I'm away - it's
only internet or FM (Sheffield Live).
terrestrial radio is also doomed although that will be a slow decline.
A prediction long in the tooth. FM could easily last 20 years - DAB much longer.
In article <iqhqivFbe3bU2@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations
from anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify
and similar services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate
highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
Bit OT, but some of the shithole places I have had to go to don't even
have decent internet in the hotels. Some shove it through their own
network. Goes to say need to be careful there.
And in North Korea, when I was there, no Internet for foreigners at all.
How long until free, or next to free, cloud storage is discovered to be
a loss-maker ?
And in North Korea, when I was there, no Internet for foreigners at
all.
how do they know a device is being used by a foreigner?
And in North Korea, when I was there, no Internet for foreigners at
all.
how do they know a device is being used by a foreigner?
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not an
approved list, you can't get on.
In article <iqhqivFbe3bU2@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from
anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar
services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate
highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
Yeah, internet doesn't need a nearby transmitter ....
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not an
approved list, you can't get on.
what denotes an approved device? if they go by mac address, that's
very easy to bypass.
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not an approved list, you can't get on.
what denotes an approved device? if they go by mac address, that's
very easy to bypass.
No idea, sorry, but when I was there, and the guys I was with, could
never get a connection.
And anything with GPS has to be declared at
the airport, and may be taken from you, to be returned when you leave.
And all photos in your camera are accessed on departure.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea#Internet_policies>Foreigners can access the internet using the 3G phone network
In article <iqih2tFf9qiU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not
an approved list, you can't get on.
what denotes an approved device? if they go by mac address, that's
very easy to bypass.
No idea, sorry, but when I was there, and the guys I was with, could
never get a connection.
that doesn't mean it can't be done. whether it's a good idea is
another story.
And anything with GPS has to be declared at
the airport, and may be taken from you, to be returned when you
leave.
that's just about every phone, smartwatch and many cameras.
And all photos in your camera are accessed on departure.
unless they're uploaded prior to departure.
your link expands to this and states:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea#Internet_policies>
Foreigners can access the internet using the 3G phone network
In article <WuCdndgu7poDkNn8nZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>>>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>>>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate
highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
Yeah, internet doesn't need a nearby transmitter ....
there are shitloads of them dotting the major roads and in places radio
can't reach, such as tunnels or inside many buildings.
another advantage is you can keep listening to a station as you drive
outside its range, which for fm is 30-50 miles, depending on terrain.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>>>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>>>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate
highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
Yeah, internet doesn't need a nearby transmitter ....
there are shitloads of them dotting the major roads and in places radio can't reach, such as tunnels or inside many buildings.
another advantage is you can keep listening to a station as you drive outside its range, which for fm is 30-50 miles, depending on terrain.
Never heard of 'No Signal' ? You can't drive very far. 50 miles isn't
'far'.
your link expands to this and states:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea#Internet_policies>
Foreigners can access the internet using the 3G phone network
We couldn't. No signal at all.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:11:18 -0400, nospam posted:-
And in North Korea, when I was there, no Internet for foreigners at
all.
how do they know a device is being used by a foreigner?Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not an
approved list, you can't get on.
In article <iqhqivFbe3bU2@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from
anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar
services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate
highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not an
approved list, you can't get on.
Apple's new phones supposedly link to satellites in that case.
In article <iqirniFha2mU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
your link expands to this and states:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea#Internet_policies>
Foreigners can access the internet using the 3G phone network
We couldn't. No signal at all.
your phone might not have had all of the 3g bands.
3g is also old. 4g/lte has been around for about a decade and 5g is
starting to roll out.
In article <tJWdncr-BsAE4dn8nZ2dnUU7-eGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>>>>>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>>>>>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
keep in mind that there is internet in places where radio can't be
received, such as inside steel/concrete buildings, tunnels, desolate >>>>> highways through the middle of nowhere, etc.
Yeah, internet doesn't need a nearby transmitter ....
there are shitloads of them dotting the major roads and in places radio
can't reach, such as tunnels or inside many buildings.
another advantage is you can keep listening to a station as you drive
outside its range, which for fm is 30-50 miles, depending on terrain.
Never heard of 'No Signal' ? You can't drive very far. 50 miles isn't
'far'.
having no cell service is very rare unless you're in the middle of
nowhere, where there won't be any radio either.
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
But not a contract.
In article <iqirniFha2mU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
your link expands to this and states:
Foreigners can access the internet using the 3G phone network
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea#Internet_policies>
We couldn't. No signal at all.
your phone might not have had all of the 3g bands.
3g is also old. 4g/lte has been around for about a decade and 5g is
starting to roll out.
On Thursday, 16 September 2021 at 23:21:54 UTC-4, Mountain Magpie wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:11:18 -0400, nospam posted:-
Their internet is locked down, I suppose if your device is not anAnd in North Korea, when I was there, no Internet for foreigners at
all.
how do they know a device is being used by a foreigner?
approved list, you can't get on.
Apple's new phones supposedly link to satellites in that case.
3g is also old. 4g/lte has been around for about a decade and 5g is starting to roll out.
With even more restricted range.
having no cell service is very rare unless you're in the middle of
nowhere, where there won't be any radio either.
There are many places here with no cell service, and there is radio
service (even TV). Not necesarily "nowhere" but even villages.
Don't need Apple - your Covid jab will do that for you.
In article <bvpf1ixqd5.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
a smartphone, computer or smart speaker can stream radio stations from >>>>> anywhere in the world, not just nearby, along with spotify and similar >>>>> services, podcasts and much more.
Provided you have an Internet connection of course?
yep, just as terrestrial radio needs a nearby transmitter.
But not a contract.
cellphones don't need a contract.
tablets in particular have monthly plans. you could enable it for a
road trip and cancel upon return.
not that it matters since nearly everyone has an active cellphone.
In article <odqf1ixqd5.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
having no cell service is very rare unless you're in the middle of
nowhere, where there won't be any radio either.
There are many places here with no cell service, and there is radio
service (even TV). Not necesarily "nowhere" but even villages.
nobody said there weren't such places, but overall, that is the
exception, not the rule.
cellphones don't need a contract.
They do here. They need a SIM card, and they need a contract, even
prepaid ones. Anti-terrorism rules imposed by the USA after 9/11, your
name and ID must be recorded,
tablets in particular have monthly plans. you could enable it for a
road trip and cancel upon return.
A plan means a contract.
not that it matters since nearly everyone has an active cellphone.
With a contract.
They do here. They need a SIM card, and they need a contract, even
prepaid ones. Anti-terrorism rules imposed by the USA after 9/11, your
name and ID must be recorded,
Whenever I'm South America and buy a SIM card they photocopy my
fricken passport.
On 2021-09-18 05:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do here. They need a SIM card, and they need a contract, even
prepaid ones. Anti-terrorism rules imposed by the USA after 9/11, your
name and ID must be recorded,
The only reason they want a contract and details is your government is
tight on comms.
Whenever I'm South America and buy a SIM card they photocopy my fricken passport.
Here (Canada) I can buy a SIM or a burner phone with cash and that is
the end of it.
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