• Smartphones to surpass ILCs by 2024 according to Sony

    From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 1 19:04:10 2022
    https://petapixel.com/2022/05/31/smartphone-cameras-will-be-superior-to-slrs-by-2024-says-sony-ceo/

    "... this will be possible thanks to the quality of photos that can be
    achieved by combining its sensors, larger apertures, and computational photography technology."

    and

    "Associated presentation materials point to Sony’s belief that higher performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the
    sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP)
    in high-end smartphone models — Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what
    it calls “quantum saturation” and artificial intelligence processing (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens
    cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

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    Alfred Molon

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    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
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  • From David Taylor@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Wed Jun 1 18:45:00 2022
    On 01/06/2022 18:04, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/05/31/smartphone-cameras-will-be-superior-to-slrs-by-2024-says-sony-ceo/

    "... this will be possible thanks to the quality of photos that can be achieved by combining its sensors, larger apertures, and computational photography technology."

    and

    "Associated presentation materials point to Sony’s belief that higher performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the
    sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP)
    in high-end smartphone models — Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what
    it calls “quantum saturation” and artificial intelligence processing (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens
    cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    I can believe this, seeing the results I get already from a 2021 Google Pixel 6 phone. The limit now is the telephoto end, and I have to accept that limitation. I think that you will always need a "somewhat" bigger lens for great telephoto.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to David Taylor on Thu Jun 2 11:02:10 2022
    On 2/06/2022 5:45 am, David Taylor wrote:
    On 01/06/2022 18:04, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/05/31/smartphone-cameras-will-be-superior-to-slrs-by-2024-says-sony-ceo/


    "... this will be possible thanks to the quality of photos that can be
    achieved by combining its sensors, larger apertures, and computational
    photography technology."

    and

    "Associated presentation materials point to Sony’s belief that higher
    performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the
    sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP)
    in high-end smartphone models — Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what
    it calls “quantum saturation” and artificial intelligence processing
    (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens
    cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    I can believe this, seeing the results I get already from a 2021 Google
    Pixel 6 phone.  The limit now is the telephoto end, and I have to accept that limitation.  I think that you will always need a "somewhat" bigger
    lens for great telephoto.


    I guess the AI can iron out the deficiencies in the inherent physical
    lens surface lower accuracy and effect of any other imperfections in the hugely(?!) smaller size.

    Would presumably need to be calibrated for each individual lens.

    And then there is dust and other contamination to address, which again
    is more critical because of the relative size scale.

    geoff

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 12:47:52 2022
    In article <t7ap8h$83u$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
    wrote:


    "Associated presentation materials point to Sonys belief that higher performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP)
    in high-end smartphone models Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what
    it calls quantum saturation and artificial intelligence processing (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included
    in newer ILCs, as well.

    so far, traditional cameras have not done so and it's unlikely that
    will change.

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Thu Jun 2 12:41:53 2022
    On 6/1/2022 1:04 PM, Alfred Molon wrote:
    https://petapixel.com/2022/05/31/smartphone-cameras-will-be-superior-to-slrs-by-2024-says-sony-ceo/


    "... this will be possible thanks to the quality of photos that can be achieved by combining its sensors, larger apertures, and computational photography technology."

    and

    "Associated presentation materials point to Sony’s belief that higher performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the
    sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP)
    in high-end smartphone models — Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what
    it calls “quantum saturation” and artificial intelligence processing (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens
    cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included
    in newer ILCs, as well. It's obvious that most people won't need such
    cameras, but if that has not always been the case Brownies and Polaroids probably wouldn't have existed.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Jun 2 21:19:23 2022
    On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:47:58 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
    In article <t7ap8h$83u$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

    "Associated presentation materials point to Sony¹s belief that higher performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP) in high-end smartphone models ‹ Sony expects the average size of high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what it calls ³quantum saturation² and artificial intelligence processing (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included
    in newer ILCs, as well.
    so far, traditional cameras have not done so and it's unlikely that
    will change.

    It's too expensive. If top phones were cameras with their sales levels, they'd cost $20,000 a piece.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Jun 3 07:23:18 2022
    In article <ff7d78ec-366e-422a-a1d9-a08ce10378f4n@googlegroups.com>,
    RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included
    in newer ILCs, as well.
    so far, traditional cameras have not done so and it's unlikely that
    will change.

    It's too expensive. If top phones were cameras with their sales levels, they'd cost $20,000 a piece.

    that is very much false. there are phones that sell in low quantities
    with more capable hardware than any camera, and do not cost anywhere
    near $20k.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.invalid on Mon Jun 6 22:23:21 2022
    In article <020620221247529654%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <t7ap8h$83u$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
    wrote:


    "Associated presentation materials point to Sonys belief that higher
    performance camera systems are being developed that are increasing the
    sensor size and combining that with better image signal processors (ISP) >> > in high-end smartphone models Sony expects the average size of
    high-end sensors to double by 2024. These two factors together with what >> > it calls quantum saturation and artificial intelligence processing
    (computational photography), Sony believes that interchangeable lens
    cameras (ILCs) will be left behind by smartphone technology."

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included
    in newer ILCs, as well.

    so far, traditional cameras have not done so and it's unlikely that
    will change.

    Well, the quote is from Sony, which makes smartphones and DSLRs. Why wouldn't they share the tech across their whole line?
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jun 8 16:59:25 2022
    On Friday, 3 June 2022 at 07:23:23 UTC-4, nospam wrote:
    In article <ff7d78ec-366e-422a...@googlegroups.com>,
    RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Curious that some would think that these features wouldn't be included in newer ILCs, as well.
    so far, traditional cameras have not done so and it's unlikely that
    will change.

    It's too expensive. If top phones were cameras with their sales levels, they'd cost $20,000 a piece.
    that is very much false. there are phones that sell in low quantities
    with more capable hardware than any camera, and do not cost anywhere
    near $20k.

    Which?

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