• Re: New Arizona Law Will Make it Illegal to Film Within Eight Feet of P

    From Elder Bates@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 10 19:30:07 2022
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    On 10 Jul 2022, Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> posted some news:6HEyK.423912$70j.295069@fx16.iad:

    Civil liberties groups oppose the law, saying it will impede First Amendment–protected activity and protect bad cops.

    C.J. CIARAMELLA | 7.8.2022 3:00 PM

    Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, signed a bill into law
    Wednesday that will make it illegal to film the police within eight
    feet.

    The legislation, H.B. 2319, makes it a misdemeanor offense to continue filming police activity from within eight feet of an officer after
    receiving a verbal warning. The bill originally restricted filming the
    police from no closer than 15 feet away, but it was amended after
    criticisms.

    There are also exceptions for filming the police in a private
    residence, during a traffic stop, and for the subject of a police
    encounter. But the law qualifies those exceptions, saying they apply
    only if the person recording is "not interfering with lawful police
    actions," or "unless a law enforcement officer determines that the
    person is interfering in the law enforcement activity or that it is
    not safe to be in the area and orders the person to leave the area."

    Interfering with police, or obstruction of justice, is one of the most frequently cited justifications for frivolous and retaliatory arrests.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Arizona opposed the
    legislation, saying it "lacks specificity and gives officers too much discretion—making it the bill more apt to protect bad cops who want
    to hide misconduct than those who are doing their job properly with a bystander recording nearby."

    The bill's sponsor, state Rep. John Kavanagh (R–Fountain Hills),
    wrote in a March op-ed that he introduced it "because there are groups hostile to the police that follow them around to videotape police
    incidents, and they get dangerously close to potentially violent
    encounters."

    "I can think of no reason why any responsible person would need to
    come closer than 8 feet to a police officer engaged in a hostile or potentially hostile encounter," Kavanagh wrote. "Such an approach is unreasonable, unnecessary and unsafe, and should be made illegal.

    T. Greg Doucette, a criminal defense attorney who also specializes in
    free speech law, told Reason in February that there are constitutional problems with the law.

    "Can you be arrested for standing still while wearing a GoPro under
    this statute?" Doucette asked. "It seems the answer here is yes, which
    would violate the First Amendment (since standing still isn't
    interfering with an officer's duties)."

    https://reason.com/2022/07/08/new-arizona-law-will-make-it-illegal-to-f ilm-within-eight-feet-of-police/

    The United States has, hands down, the worst and most corrupt police
    in the entire civilized (liberal democracies — *yes*, we are a
    democracy) world. The reason a "defund the police" movement arose is
    because American cops are so universally shitty. Only in America do
    you see several cops whaling away on a defenseless person with clubs,
    all the while shouting "stop resisting!" for the cameras.

    If blacks and progressive liberals would do what they were told instead of continuing to run their mouths and moving, the cops wouldn't have to
    resort to such extreme measures. It's their own fault.

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  • From John Baker@21:1/5 to elderbates@gmail.com on Sun Jul 10 16:19:50 2022
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    On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:30:07 -0000 (UTC), Elder Bates
    <elderbates@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10 Jul 2022, Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> posted some >news:6HEyK.423912$70j.295069@fx16.iad:

    Civil liberties groups oppose the law, saying it will impede First
    Amendment–protected activity and protect bad cops.

    C.J. CIARAMELLA | 7.8.2022 3:00 PM

    Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, signed a bill into law
    Wednesday that will make it illegal to film the police within eight
    feet.

    The legislation, H.B. 2319, makes it a misdemeanor offense to continue
    filming police activity from within eight feet of an officer after
    receiving a verbal warning. The bill originally restricted filming the
    police from no closer than 15 feet away, but it was amended after
    criticisms.

    There are also exceptions for filming the police in a private
    residence, during a traffic stop, and for the subject of a police
    encounter. But the law qualifies those exceptions, saying they apply
    only if the person recording is "not interfering with lawful police
    actions," or "unless a law enforcement officer determines that the
    person is interfering in the law enforcement activity or that it is
    not safe to be in the area and orders the person to leave the area."

    Interfering with police, or obstruction of justice, is one of the most
    frequently cited justifications for frivolous and retaliatory arrests.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Arizona opposed the
    legislation, saying it "lacks specificity and gives officers too much
    discretion—making it the bill more apt to protect bad cops who want
    to hide misconduct than those who are doing their job properly with a
    bystander recording nearby."

    The bill's sponsor, state Rep. John Kavanagh (R–Fountain Hills),
    wrote in a March op-ed that he introduced it "because there are groups
    hostile to the police that follow them around to videotape police
    incidents, and they get dangerously close to potentially violent
    encounters."

    "I can think of no reason why any responsible person would need to
    come closer than 8 feet to a police officer engaged in a hostile or
    potentially hostile encounter," Kavanagh wrote. "Such an approach is
    unreasonable, unnecessary and unsafe, and should be made illegal.

    T. Greg Doucette, a criminal defense attorney who also specializes in
    free speech law, told Reason in February that there are constitutional
    problems with the law.

    "Can you be arrested for standing still while wearing a GoPro under
    this statute?" Doucette asked. "It seems the answer here is yes, which
    would violate the First Amendment (since standing still isn't
    interfering with an officer's duties)."

    https://reason.com/2022/07/08/new-arizona-law-will-make-it-illegal-to-f
    ilm-within-eight-feet-of-police/

    The United States has, hands down, the worst and most corrupt police
    in the entire civilized (liberal democracies — *yes*, we are a
    democracy) world. The reason a "defund the police" movement arose is
    because American cops are so universally shitty. Only in America do
    you see several cops whaling away on a defenseless person with clubs,
    all the while shouting "stop resisting!" for the cameras.

    If blacks and progressive liberals would do what they were told instead of >continuing to run their mouths and moving, the cops wouldn't have to
    resort to such extreme measures. It's their own fault.

    And the trailing edge of the bell curve chimes in yet again...







    AA #1898
    Giver of No Fucks
    Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

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  • From Brian Allen@21:1/5 to John Baker on Mon Jul 11 09:52:17 2022
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    John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in news:92dmch17jielfi48iku66tjks4ddsejfq1@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:30:07 -0000 (UTC), Elder Bates
    <elderbates@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10 Jul 2022, Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> posted some >>news:6HEyK.423912$70j.295069@fx16.iad:

    Civil liberties groups oppose the law, saying it will impede First
    Amendment–protected activity and protect bad cops.

    C.J. CIARAMELLA | 7.8.2022 3:00 PM

    Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, signed a bill into law
    Wednesday that will make it illegal to film the police within eight
    feet.

    The legislation, H.B. 2319, makes it a misdemeanor offense to
    continue filming police activity from within eight feet of an
    officer after receiving a verbal warning. The bill originally
    restricted filming the police from no closer than 15 feet away, but
    it was amended after criticisms.

    There are also exceptions for filming the police in a private
    residence, during a traffic stop, and for the subject of a police
    encounter. But the law qualifies those exceptions, saying they apply
    only if the person recording is "not interfering with lawful police
    actions," or "unless a law enforcement officer determines that the
    person is interfering in the law enforcement activity or that it is
    not safe to be in the area and orders the person to leave the area."

    Interfering with police, or obstruction of justice, is one of the
    most frequently cited justifications for frivolous and retaliatory
    arrests.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Arizona opposed the
    legislation, saying it "lacks specificity and gives officers too
    much discretion—making it the bill more apt to protect bad cops
    who want to hide misconduct than those who are doing their job
    properly with a bystander recording nearby."

    The bill's sponsor, state Rep. John Kavanagh (R–Fountain Hills),
    wrote in a March op-ed that he introduced it "because there are
    groups hostile to the police that follow them around to videotape
    police incidents, and they get dangerously close to potentially
    violent encounters."

    "I can think of no reason why any responsible person would need to
    come closer than 8 feet to a police officer engaged in a hostile or
    potentially hostile encounter," Kavanagh wrote. "Such an approach is
    unreasonable, unnecessary and unsafe, and should be made illegal.

    T. Greg Doucette, a criminal defense attorney who also specializes
    in free speech law, told Reason in February that there are
    constitutional problems with the law.

    "Can you be arrested for standing still while wearing a GoPro under
    this statute?" Doucette asked. "It seems the answer here is yes,
    which would violate the First Amendment (since standing still isn't
    interfering with an officer's duties)."

    https://reason.com/2022/07/08/new-arizona-law-will-make-it-illegal-to
    -f ilm-within-eight-feet-of-police/

    The United States has, hands down, the worst and most corrupt police
    in the entire civilized (liberal democracies — *yes*, we are a
    democracy) world. The reason a "defund the police" movement arose
    is because American cops are so universally shitty. Only in America
    do you see several cops whaling away on a defenseless person with
    clubs, all the while shouting "stop resisting!" for the cameras.

    If blacks and progressive liberals would do what they were told
    instead of continuing to run their mouths and moving, the cops
    wouldn't have to resort to such extreme measures. It's their own
    fault.

    And the trailing edge of the bell curve chimes in yet again...

    Oh look. A dead sock came crawling out of an urn.

    Let's get some stupid Democrat to throw it at the Arizona police and be
    shot for our entertainment.

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