• Nikon reportedly joins Canon in ending development on high-end DSLR cam

    From NewsKrawler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 03:44:15 2022
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
    Nikon reportedly joins Canon in ending development on high-end DSLR cameras

    Smaller, lighter mirrorless cameras have mostly caught up to DSLR image quality.

    For its part, Nikon has denounced the report as "speculation" and stresses
    that the company "is continuing the production, sales, and service of
    digital SLR." But this rebuttal does not mention the development of future
    SLR cameras-the company's last new DSLR, the Nikon D6, was released in
    February 2020, and the company discontinued its entry-level D3500 and D5600 DSLR cameras last month. The Nikkei report indicates that Nikon's
    development efforts will shift to mirrorless cameras, which are smaller and more lightweight.

    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. But newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras also usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
    their cameras to multitask.

    Nikon's biggest competitor in the dedicated camera business, Canon, has
    also indicated that it is winding down its DSLR development efforts; the company announced in late 2021 that its EOS-1D X Mark III would be its last professional DSLR model. Canon will also shift focus to its mirrorless
    lineup, though it will continue developing and producing entry-level DSLR cameras "for the time being."

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Wed Jul 13 08:58:58 2022
    On 2022-07-13, NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
    Nikon reportedly joins Canon in ending development on high-end DSLR cameras

    Smaller, lighter mirrorless cameras have mostly caught up to DSLR image quality.

    They caught up years ago when sensor sizes became the same as those used
    in DLSRs.

    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens selection of DSLR cameras,

    Early mirrorless cameras aren't a fair comparison.

    and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.

    They still do.

    But
    newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings

    "Largely"? Maybe if you're comparing apples with oranges.

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  • From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 18:47:44 2022
    Am 13.07.2022 um 10:58 schrieb Incubus:
    and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
    They still do.

    And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.

    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to alfred_molon@yahoo.com on Wed Jul 13 13:07:39 2022
    In article <PGCzK.433821$AS_9.165477@fx12.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

    and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
    They still do.

    And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.

    and ovfs can do things that evfs cannot, zero lag being one of the most important.

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Wed Jul 13 14:55:39 2022
    On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
    (snip)>
    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. But newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras also usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need their cameras to multitask.

    What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
    optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
    '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
    of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
    mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 00:51:09 2022
    Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
    On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/

    (snip)>
    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
    lens
    selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
    But
    newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
    retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
    also
    usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
    their cameras to multitask.

    What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
    optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
    '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
    of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
    mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

    One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
    you get.
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to alfred_molon@yahoo.com on Wed Jul 13 19:07:55 2022
    In article <x%HzK.244410$MWc5.69499@fx06.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

    One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
    you get.

    that is not a problem at all.

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Thu Jul 14 10:28:49 2022
    On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
    On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/

    (snip)>
    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
    lens
    selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind >>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
    But
    newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while >>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
    also
    usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need >>> their cameras to multitask.

    What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
    optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
    '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
    of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
    mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
    information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
    high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

    One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
    you get.

    Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
    unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
    in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less convenient.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Jul 14 12:42:25 2022
    On 13 Jul 2022 at 18:07:39 BST, nospam wrote:

    In article <PGCzK.433821$AS_9.165477@fx12.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

    and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
    the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
    They still do.

    And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.

    and ovfs can do things that evfs cannot, zero lag being one of the most important.

    And how is the state of play with EVFs?

    Although not bad as such, the EVF on my Olympus E-M10 is, along with the autofocus, the most troublesome aspect of the camera for me. Is there a mid-range mirrorless with a significantly improved EVF?

    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 18:37:51 2022
    Am 14.07.2022 um 12:28 schrieb Incubus:
    On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
    On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/

    (snip)>
    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or >>>> lens
    selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind >>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. >>>> But
    newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while >>>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
    also
    usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need >>>> their cameras to multitask.

    What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
    optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
    '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
    of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
    mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
    information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
    high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

    One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
    you get.

    Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
    unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
    in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less convenient.

    With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
    Nothing you can fix in post.
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to alfred_molon@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 14 12:45:27 2022
    In article <zDXzK.550116$Gx85.156882@fx07.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:


    With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
    Nothing you can fix in post.

    highlights can be blown regardless of the type of viewfinder.

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Fri Jul 15 08:53:33 2022
    On 2022-07-14, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Am 14.07.2022 um 12:28 schrieb Incubus:
    On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
    On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/

    (snip)>
    Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or >>>>> lens
    selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind >>>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. >>>>> But
    newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while >>>>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras >>>>> also
    usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need >>>>> their cameras to multitask.

    What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
    optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
    '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities >>>> of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
    mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful >>>> information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting >>>> high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality. >>>
    One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
    you get.

    Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
    unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
    in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right
    techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less
    convenient.

    With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
    Nothing you can fix in post.

    A competent photographer will be able to avoid that. You can even
    automate it on some cameras, for example with Nikon's "highlight weighted" metering.

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