https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop. >> >
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
i expect bmw to backtrack on it, just like they did with apple carplay.
It reminds me of the DivX fiasco.
In article <slrntdat0l.drn.u9536612@localhost.localdomain>, Incubus
<u9536612@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
i expect bmw to backtrack on it, just like they did with apple carplay.
On 2022-07-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled features I don't need.
Am 18.07.2022 um 16:54 schrieb Incubus:
On 2022-07-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled features I don't need.
For instance, the new OM-1 comes with a great bird recognition AF, which however I don't need. If the camera cost 200-300 Euro less with this
bird AF disabled, it would be great (for me).
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
And maybe they only need to subscribe to windscreen-wipers when it's
raining.
Or the horn when somebody is obstructing the roadway ....
In article<ecCdnTqylOzDVUj_nZ2dnUU7-bGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
And maybe they only need to subscribe to windscreen-wipers when it's raining.
exactly. why should someone who lives in the desert pay for something
they'll never use? those who live in wet climates can pay extra.
Or the horn when somebody is obstructing the roadway ....
yep. why should someone who lives in a rural area, where there may not
be another vehicle for miles, pay for something they'll never use? on
the other hand, the stereotypical new york city driver would get their money's worth, unless it's billed per use.
And maybe they only need to subscribe to windscreen-wipers when it's raining.
exactly. why should someone who lives in the desert pay for something they'll never use? those who live in wet climates can pay extra.
Or the horn when somebody is obstructing the roadway ....
yep. why should someone who lives in a rural area, where there may not
be another vehicle for miles, pay for something they'll never use? on
the other hand, the stereotypical new york city driver would get their money's worth, unless it's billed per use.
I wish I could subscribe to my car¹s engine. Most cars spend a lot of time parked in the garage.
In article <NogBK.612892$83a5....@fx05.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled features I don't need.many companies do that, not just camera makers.
the original canon rebel was essentially a 10d with various features disabled in firmware and sold for a cheaper price. there were hacks to
flash it to enable them.
long ago, there was a cd-rom burner that had two versions, one a little faster and more expensive than the other. it turned out that the
hardware was identical for both, with the only difference being
firmware. some people bought the cheaper model and flashed it.
sometimes it's done in hardware. a lot of products have the same logic board, but the various buttons and switches found on the higher end
models are omitted on the lower end models. some people have upgraded
their devices by soldering the necessary buttons and switches and
drilling holes in the case, although it doesn't look quite as nice.
In article <ecCdnTqylOzDVUj_nZ2dnUU7-bGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
And maybe they only need to subscribe to windscreen-wipers when it's
raining.
exactly. why should someone who lives in the desert pay for something
they'll never use? those who live in wet climates can pay extra.
Or the horn when somebody is obstructing the roadway ....
yep. why should someone who lives in a rural area, where there may not
be another vehicle for miles, pay for something they'll never use? on
the other hand, the stereotypical new york city driver would get their money's worth, unless it's billed per use.
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6...@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
On 19/07/2022 5:04 am, Alfred Molon wrote:
Am 18.07.2022 um 16:54 schrieb Incubus:
On 2022-07-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop. >>>>
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled
features I don't need.
For instance, the new OM-1 comes with a great bird recognition AF,
which however I don't need. If the camera cost 200-300 Euro less with
this bird AF disabled, it would be great (for me).
The camera wouldn't have cost them any less to design/build/distribute,
so what would that say about their business/profit model ?
On 19/07/2022 9:29 am, nospam wrote:
In article <ecCdnTqylOzDVUj_nZ2dnUU7-bGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
And maybe they only need to subscribe to windscreen-wipers when it's
raining.
exactly. why should someone who lives in the desert pay for something
they'll never use? those who live in wet climates can pay extra.
Or the horn when somebody is obstructing the roadway ....
yep. why should someone who lives in a rural area, where there may not
be another vehicle for miles, pay for something they'll never use? on
the other hand, the stereotypical new york city driver would get their
money's worth, unless it's billed per use.
Long straight roads. Steering wheel only occasionally required.
Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they are
priced according to customer perceived value.
For instance two flights
to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled features I don't need.
That would create a market for third party (read: "hacked") firmware.
Am 18.07.2022 um 16:54 schrieb Incubus:
On 2022-07-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <5f9e831e-95a6-4fd6-bfd6-3703de254c17n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62142208
first of all, the 'subscription insanity' was not started by photoshop.
second, what people don't realize is you only need to subscribe for a
couple of months in the winter.
nobody needs heated seats the rest of the year, especially in the hot
summer months.
It seems insane to me that people would need to pay to use a feature
that they have already bought.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabled features I don't need.
For instance, the new OM-1 comes with a great bird recognition AF, which however I don't need. If the camera cost 200-300 Euro less with this
bird AF disabled, it would be great (for me).
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabledThat would create a market for third party (read: "hacked") firmware.
features I don't need.
It would be some activation code uniquely tied to the serial number of
the camera being activated.
I wouldn't mind paying less for a camera, if the manufacturer disabledThat would create a market for third party (read: "hacked") firmware.
features I don't need.
In article <m%sBK.419903$70_9....@fx10.ams1>, Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they areperceived value is normally how something is priced.
priced according to customer perceived value.
For instance two flightsairline pricing is extremely complex. there is no single price for a
to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight.
given flight, and you mean non-stop. a direct flight means there can be
a stop but you don't switch planes.
Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they areperceived value is normally how something is priced.
priced according to customer perceived value.
For instance two flightsairline pricing is extremely complex. there is no single price for a
to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight.
given flight, and you mean non-stop. a direct flight means there can be
a stop but you don't switch planes.
I don't know if you know of ryan air an Irish airline company
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
There was talk
about charging extra if you were heavier than
a 'standard' person, which makes sense and could be done by paying for total weight of yourself plus luggage.
In article <799a8d1b-c345-48e2-9871-e9f5783f8e04n@googlegroups.com>, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they areperceived value is normally how something is priced.
priced according to customer perceived value.
For instance two flightsgiven flight, and you mean non-stop. a direct flight means there can be
to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight. >>> airline pricing is extremely complex. there is no single price for a
a stop but you don't switch planes.
I don't know if you know of ryan air an Irish airline company
i do.
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage larger than a handbag or purse.
There was talk
about charging extra if you were heavier than
a 'standard' person, which makes sense and could be done by paying for total >> weight of yourself plus luggage.
there was talk about charging to use the loo.
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
None that I've ever been on (lots).
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage larger than a handbag or purse.
None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
allowance is usual.
there was talk about charging to use the loo.
How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
(or toilet-tissue for yanks).
On 20/07/2022 3:26 pm, nospam wrote:
In article <t8udnYZJy8QR9kr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
None that I've ever been on (lots).
it's been common for roughly 20 years in economy/coach on most
airlines. snacks, such as a cookie or a couple of pretzels, might be
free.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_on_board>
  Starting in 2003, many United States air carriers began eliminating
  free meal services in economy classes on North American flights and
  replacing them with buy on board services. In the 2000s US Airways
  (now part of American Airlines) briefly charged for soft drinks, but
  then reversed course. By 2009, many US carriers had established
  buy on board as part of an à la carte pricing movement
...
  ...As of 2017 only 6 out of the 21 most popular airlines in Europe
  offered complimentary inflight food and drink. KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, >>   Austrian, Air France, Alitalia and TAP Portugal all continued to
  offer free snacks and beverages on their short-haul flights.
menu & prices:
<https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/dining/economy/men
u.html>
<https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/flight-experience/main-ca
bin/food-and-drink>
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage >>>> larger than a handbag or purse.
None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
allowance is usual.
depends on the airline and fare bucket. basic economy has the most
restrictions.
<https://customersupport.spirit.com/en-US/category/article/KA-01157>
  Current bag prices are available here. One personal item that fits
  in the smaller sizer box (like a small backpack) is included with
  your ticket. Another personal item or anything larger like a standard >>   carry-on or checked bag will need to be paid for.
<https://www.allegiantair.com/baggage-1>
  Every passenger can bring One Free Personal Item
  Your Personal Item (like a purse, briefcase, or a small backpack)
  must be stored completely underneath the seat in front of you.
  You can purchase One Carry-On Bag per passenger
  Your one Carry-on Bag (such as a roll-aboard or garment bag) must
  fit in the overhead bin.
  You can pre-purchase up to 4 Checked Bags per passenger
<https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/travel-info/bag-options/?mobile=true>
  ... Carry-on bags must fit in the overhead bin. Carry-on bag prices
  vary based on when you purchase and are non-refundable.
  FRONTIER Miles Elite members and passengers who purchased THE WORKS
  always receive a free carry-on bag in addition to their personal item. >>
<https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/carry-on.html>
  If you're traveling on a Basic Economy ticket, you can only bring one >>   personal item on board. There are some exceptions, which we list
  below.
  If you bring a full-size carry-on bag to the gate, you'll need to
  check your bag. You'll also have to pay the applicable checked bag
  fee and a $25 gate handling charge. To keep it simple at the gate,
  you'll need to pay by credit card.
there was talk about charging to use the loo.
How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
(or toilet-tissue for yanks).
byotp.
You have too much time on your hands, or need help.
Lucky I have been on those mingey airlines then !
geoff
In article <t8udnYZJy8QR9kr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
None that I've ever been on (lots).
it's been common for roughly 20 years in economy/coach on most
airlines. snacks, such as a cookie or a couple of pretzels, might be
free.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_on_board>
Starting in 2003, many United States air carriers began eliminating
free meal services in economy classes on North American flights and
replacing them with buy on board services. In the 2000s US Airways
(now part of American Airlines) briefly charged for soft drinks, but
then reversed course. By 2009, many US carriers had established
buy on board as part of an à la carte pricing movement
...
...As of 2017 only 6 out of the 21 most popular airlines in Europe
offered complimentary inflight food and drink. KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss,
Austrian, Air France, Alitalia and TAP Portugal all continued to
offer free snacks and beverages on their short-haul flights.
menu & prices: <https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/dining/economy/men u.html> <https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/flight-experience/main-ca bin/food-and-drink>
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage
larger than a handbag or purse.
None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
allowance is usual.
depends on the airline and fare bucket. basic economy has the most restrictions.
<https://customersupport.spirit.com/en-US/category/article/KA-01157>
Current bag prices are available here. One personal item that fits
in the smaller sizer box (like a small backpack) is included with
your ticket. Another personal item or anything larger like a standard
carry-on or checked bag will need to be paid for.
<https://www.allegiantair.com/baggage-1>
Every passenger can bring One Free Personal Item
Your Personal Item (like a purse, briefcase, or a small backpack)
must be stored completely underneath the seat in front of you.
You can purchase One Carry-On Bag per passenger
Your one Carry-on Bag (such as a roll-aboard or garment bag) must
fit in the overhead bin.
You can pre-purchase up to 4 Checked Bags per passenger
<https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/travel-info/bag-options/?mobile=true>
... Carry-on bags must fit in the overhead bin. Carry-on bag prices
vary based on when you purchase and are non-refundable.
FRONTIER Miles Elite members and passengers who purchased THE WORKS
always receive a free carry-on bag in addition to their personal item.
<https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/carry-on.html>
If you're traveling on a Basic Economy ticket, you can only bring one
personal item on board. There are some exceptions, which we list
below.
If you bring a full-size carry-on bag to the gate, you'll need to
check your bag. You'll also have to pay the applicable checked bag
fee and a $25 gate handling charge. To keep it simple at the gate,
you'll need to pay by credit card.
there was talk about charging to use the loo.
How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
(or toilet-tissue for yanks).
byotp.
On 20/07/2022 1:12 pm, nospam wrote:
In article <799a8d1b-c345-48e2...@googlegroups.com>,
Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they areperceived value is normally how something is priced.
priced according to customer perceived value.
For instance two flightsgiven flight, and you mean non-stop. a direct flight means there can be >>> a stop but you don't switch planes.
to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight. >>> airline pricing is extremely complex. there is no single price for a
I don't know if you know of ryan air an Irish airline company
i do.
but if yuo want
food you have to pay extra for it,
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.None that I've ever been on (lots).
also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage larger than a handbag or purse.None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
allowance is usual.
I think I'm standard. Opinion of others often seems to differ ....There was talk
about charging extra if you were heavier than
a 'standard' person, which makes sense and could be done by paying for total
weight of yourself plus luggage.
there was talk about charging to use the loo.How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
(or toilet-tissue for yanks).
geoff
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
None that I've ever been on (lots).
On 20 Jul 2022 at 03:42:19 BST, geoff wrote:When we fly to Malaysia (from Germany) we always get complimentary
most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
None that I've ever been on (lots).
Until recently I'd take at least 3 international flights a year over 20 years - not a single one offered complimentary food or drink.
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