On Thursday, 6 April 2023 at 22:59:31 UTC+1, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Joel wrote:
Hey, I really do appreciate your reference to the app, it's a fabulous piece of code, available to try for free. Can't beat that!
Hi Joel,
Thanks for the update on Paint.NET because sometimes I feel I am preaching to the winds when I assess that it's better than PhotoShop for what I do.
which is irrelevant to most .
I'm all about facts and being purposefully helpful, where you'll only see
me get cross with people who dispute facts - which means they are fools.
Well facts can be checked and cross referenced.
Adults never dispute facts (as facts are funny that way).
Yes they do.
Adults very often dispute assessments of facts (adults are funny that way).
Nothing wrong with that but children rarely assess facts.
AN example of a fact is that Paint.NET is free.
Yep so.
Some people might say it's not free because it's also sold by Microsoft. That doesn't mean it's not free.
That just means you can buy it or you can get it for free.
Yep.
It's your choice what you do as long as you know about both choices; I have no beef with anyone who decides to pay for what they can get for free.
Yep a bit like sex really.
Some people pay for it, some people pay people to keep quiet about it, others get it for free.
An example of an assessment of fact is that Paint.NET is "as good" for the things I need to do (and perhaps "much easier") than is PhotoShop.
for you that is the case but it';s not true for everyone.
That's an _assessment_ of a fact, which is something that adults can logically disagree on because it depends on their assessment of those
facts.
But only if they feel the same way as you.
does paint.net give you cloud storage space for keeping your photos in ?
Is paint.net cross platform ?
Does it include cataloging software ?
You'll often see the iKooks moron ask you to _prove_ that Paint.NET is "better" than PhotoShop, which just proves how stupid iKooks are.
I doubt that most apple users have little interest in what's avaible for a windows platform/
It's impossible to prove something which is an _assessment_, but the iKooks can never figure out the difference between a fact & an assessment.
Pretty easy for most people irrespective of platform used.
In trying to be purposefully helpful for you and for the lurkers, I noticed some things that you may not be aware of that can further help you and
which almost every regular on r.p.d is certainly well aware of, which is.
You do know that Paint.NET doesn't work on Mac OS.
So it's of little interest to mac users.
That is a FACT.
Doesn;t work on the iDevices FACT.
So not having windows FACT, it is of littel interest to me unless a windows users asks me about such things
which is unlikely FACT.
Most of the things I need to do I do for free too, it's even more free'er than Paint.NET
because it comes as part of the Apple OS called preview so I don't even have to go search for it.
FACT.
it's not as good as photoshop FACT.
If I want to do anything other than annotations, cropping or basic editing I use Photos
it comes as part of the Apple OS called. So I don't even have to go search for it.
FACT.
It does most of the things I want most of the time, but doesn't do layers or channel mixing
and quite a few others things I do from time to time for those things I use Affinity photo,
which costs about £50 which I find good value.
whether or not it's as good as photoshop I don't know.
So far it's done everything I want of it.
And not just on a computer.
The last time I found I had to use photoshop was when I wanted to convert an image from RGB to CYMK
which was about 15 years ago.
If I worked in the image processing business I think photoshop would be my best bet for collabrative work
and to be cross platform compatable.
Which neither PAINT.net or preview or photos or Affinity photo is.
1. Paint.NET has a shit ton of plugins ... if you need them.
Can you use it on a phone or tablet ?
(They end up doing everything that the program doesn't yet do.) <https://forums.getpaint.net/forum/7-plugins-publishing-only/>
Personally, I don't think I'm using any Paint.NET plugins at
the moment, but you might need them for doing non-standard stuff.
Same with most software.
Here's an example of FACT versus ASSESSMENT of that fact, where you may recall that in decades on Usenet nobodgy (but idiot iKooks) ever disagreed with teh facts (iKooks are funny that way); but plenty of people rightfully could disagree on my ASSESSMENT of the facts.
if your ASSESSMENT of the facts are flawed which they are,
which is where the more intelligent will debate your so called FACTS.
I'll take it, a priori, that they would prefer you to pay Microsoft the $10 for the Paint.NET PhotoShip replacement app, and that would be a fact.
I could also take it, again, a priori, that they want you to do that so
that they can further their development - and that's just a fine fact.
However....
My _assessment_ of those facts, is that if you pay the $10 to Microsoft,
and if Microsoft gets 30% of the take (I'm just guessing at that amount), then the developers only received $7 of your $10, right?
Sounds reasonable.
My _assessment_ of that fact, is that if I truly wanted to help the developers, maybe I would want to _donate_ $10 to the developers directly, for example, and keep Microsoft's grubby paws out of their passed hat.
See what I mean?
At least that makes sense.
Adults never disagree on facts (only fools, like iKooks do that).
Depends on the FACTS.
But adults can perfectly logically disagree on assessments of those facts.
So can anyone.
My advice to you, since you seem to want to help the developers?
a. Maybe test the program for a while, and...
b. If you don't like it, ditch it, but...
c. If you like it & if you want to help the developers, donate to them.
Yep.
BTW, "supposedly" Pinta is the non-net-framework replacement for Paint.NET. I haven't looked at Pinta in years...
Maybe people on this newsgroup have used Pinta recently?
Not me.
Last I checked the curved arrows were as bad as PhotoShop curved arrows. Which sucked.
Not sure I need curved arrows in my photos , I can't think of any time in my life I've needed a curved arrow.
The advantage of Pinta though, is it works on macOS & Linux along
with Windows and BSD (so it's a cross platform Photoshop replacement).
NOTE: It's a fact that it's a cross platform app; it's an assessment
that it's a Photoshop replacement. The iKooks can't figure that out.
It's an alternative NOT a replacement.
You can't tell the diffeernce that is a FACT.
Has anyone on r.p.d looked at Pinta recently, perhaps??? <https://snapcraft.io/pinta>
<https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/> <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5501-pinta.html> <https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/pinta.html>
Let me ask that question separately on the r.p.d newsgroup.
*Has anyone tested cross platform Pinta against PhotoShop lately* <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/4kzLC4SmY9M>
Doubt it they are quite diffent packages for differnt types of people.
Most intelligent people know what they are looking for and know what's best for them
and can advise others provided they themselves don;t have such a narrow minded view.
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Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information which, in this case, is to flesh out advantages to Paint.NET & Pinta.
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