• Consonant-Clashes at adjacent words (in Poetry) -- ( stat. analysis? )

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 19 11:25:47 2024
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    Take 2 of my fav poetry lines:

    (1) When I was a windy boy and a bit ...
    ..... I tiptoed shy in gooseberry wood

    (2) Two households, both alike in dignity ...
    ... From forth the fatal loins of these two foes

    The 2nd passage is harder to say... (slightly Tongue-Twister-like)
    because of the Consecutive Consonants.

    [s-h] [ds-b] (and [th]) [th-The]


    Has this been studied?

    Can it be used in Stylometry? --- as a [literary fingerprint] ?


    Do Consonant-Clashes at adjacent words matter more
    than within a word (e.g. "households" ) ?


    i guess... Poets rarely use a word like [strengths] or [hundredth]
    ------- unless for a certain effect.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Tue May 21 11:20:13 2024
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    On 5/19/2024 11:25 AM, HenHanna wrote:

    Take 2 of my fav poetry lines:

            (1) When I was a windy boy and a bit  ...
                 .....  I tiptoed shy in gooseberry wood

            (2) Two households, both alike in dignity ...
                   ...  From forth the fatal loins of these two foes

    The 2nd passage is harder to say... (slightly Tongue-Twister-like)
    because of the Consecutive Consonants.

                       [s-h]   [ds-b]   (and  [th])    [th-The]


    Has this been studied?

             Can it be used in Stylometry? --- as a [literary fingerprint] ?


    Do Consonant-Clashes  at adjacent words matter  more
                                 than within a word  (e.g.  "households" ) ?


    i guess... Poets rarely use a word like [strengths]  or  [hundredth]
                                       ------- unless for a certain effect.



    You're absolutely right! Poets tend to avoid words with harsh
    consonant clusters like "strengths" and "hundredth" for a few reasons:

    Euphony: Poetry is all about creating a musical quality with words. Consonant clusters like "str" and "nth" can be difficult to pronounce
    smoothly, interrupting the flow and rhythm of the poem.

    Meter: Many poems adhere to specific meters, which dictate the
    pattern of stressed and unstressed syllables. Words with awkward
    consonant clusters can throw off the meter, making the poem sound clunky.

    Imagery and Tone: Poets often choose words that evoke specific
    emotions or imagery. Words like "strengths" and "hundredth" can sound
    technical and dry, which might clash with the desired tone of the poem.


    __________Here are some alternatives that poets might use instead:


    Strengths: Might, power, valor, fortitude (These words convey
    similar meaning with smoother sounds)

    Hundredth: Centennial (formal), fraction, hundredfold (depending on context)


    ____________ Examples:

    Instead of: "Her strengths shone through the trial," a poet might write:
    "Her might prevailed throughout the ordeal."

    Instead of: "He celebrated his hundredth birthday," a poet might write:
    "He marked his centennial with a joyous feast."

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 22 15:47:33 2024
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    Tue, 21 May 2024 11:20:13 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
    scribeva:
    You're absolutely right! Poets tend to avoid words with harsh
    consonant clusters like "strengths" and "hundredth" for a few reasons:

    Euphony: Poetry is all about creating a musical quality with words. >Consonant clusters like "str" and "nth" can be difficult to pronounce >smoothly, interrupting the flow and rhythm of the poem.

    There can also be euphony in difficult sequences, enunciated well.

    Example:
    [...] are soothed beneath the artist’s loving hand.
    (Don McLean, Vincent).

    "[...] the veils of darkness shroud the blackened trees [...]"
    "[...] that traces its way upwards to caress the feet of the headless
    martyr's statue whose only achievement was to die too soon, [...]"
    (Black Sabbath, text on sleeve of debut album)

    https://genius.com/Chicago-when-all-the-laughter-dies-in-sorrow-annotated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGE6gzkMAfw

    https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/36111209/Peter+Sarstedt/Where+Do+You+Go+To+%28My+Lovely%29

    Meter: Many poems adhere to specific meters, which dictate the >pattern of stressed and unstressed syllables. Words with awkward
    consonant clusters can throw off the meter, making the poem sound clunky.

    I don’t think so. Metre relies on syllables, as you say, and normally
    a syllable’s nucleus is a vowel or diphthong, regardless of
    surrounding consonants. Special case, in some languages: syllabic
    consonants, like n, m, l, r, z or zh (the latter in Chinese).

    Imagery and Tone: Poets often choose words that evoke specific >emotions or imagery. Words like "strengths" and "hundredth" can sound >technical and dry, which might clash with the desired tone of the poem.

    Yes, I like such words. They can fit into some poems’ tone.


    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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