• [MW1CFN] Change: can the RSGB adapt?

    From MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.modera@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 19:06:52 2022
    XPost: rec.radio.amateur.moderated, uk.radio.amateur, free.uk.amateur-radio

    Real-World Amateur Radio

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    Change: can the RSGB adapt?

    Posted: 16 Feb 2022 07:47 AM PST https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2022/02/change-can-rsgb-adapt.html


    Although it's hardly high-profile at the moment, there's an on-going
    discussion about the RSGB over on Twitter.
    For the most part, it's well-mannered, with only the occasional mindless defender of the society throwing that old cliche around: 'it's easy to
    snipe from the sidelines'.
    What I get from Twitter is that younger operators, who may or may not be
    RSGB members, don't have such a 'Leave/Remain' polarity about them that
    older members often seem to, spurred-on by fixity of mind that comes with
    old age for many.
    Does the RSGB have a future? In short: not in its current guise. It
    doesn't seem to understand - and I hope it isn't because it doesn't care -
    that we are no longer in the '£10 passage' days of Empire, where you could literally have your passage to colonise other countries paid for by the government. When you got there, work applenty awaited in order to stamp Britain's presence through development on any land unfortunate enough to
    see it land there.

    If that's too esoteric for you, let's look at how the environment for
    younger people has changed over recent decades, and how these impact on
    their ability to enjoy radio:
    (1) Good, well-paid jobs are much more difficult to find than they used to
    be. We are no longer rebuilding Britain after a world war, and all the mass-employment opportunities that brings. Real-terms salaries have
    stagnated since the financial crash of 2010, and remain below the 2008
    peak. A cost-of-living crisis threatens immediately to make things a lot
    worse.

    (2) Housing is in a total state of crisis. Most people now retired will
    have seen house price-to-earnings ratio hover around the 3:1 level during
    their working lives. Today, it is around 10:1. Mortgages are no longer
    given away like sweets, and the loan-to-value available is often much lower than historically was the case. Even saving for a deposit, which is around £27,000 for a 10% downpayment on an average UK home now, seems almost insurmountable for many.

    This can have both a positive and negative effect effect on ham radio. If
    you can't afford a home, then you might decide to spend your income on a
    good /p or /m set-up, or set-one up in your parents' home (the median age
    of first-time buyers is now 34 years in the UK - it was only 28 years in
    2007, and 23 years in 1960). Alternatively, you may well not bother with
    radio at all, being perceived as something to do when you're settled in
    your own home and/or later in life.
    (3) Planning environment. Neighbours have always loved to complain. But
    today, they can do so anonymously (so far as the person complained about is concerned) and quickly, via e-mail, to their local council. Intolerance of difference is on the rise, and people's access to large gardens that can actually accommodate antennas is lower than it used to be. Whilst
    neighbours have every right to influence the decision-making process about someone who wants to install an antenna of any note, the reality is that
    this, coupled to ignorance of technical matters amongst planning staff,
    makes gaining permission far too difficult and prone to pub-talk prejudice.
    At the moment, anything over 76cm is not permitted without consent.
    (4) RFI. This has increased dramatically in recent years and, coupled to a regulator with little interest in pursuingmatters, means we either have to
    put up with bands spoiled by solar PV, car chargers, USB chargers, plasma
    TVs, etc, or else just go /p or /m.
    Now, if you buy a smart phone, or a TV, or a commercial radio receiver, you plug it in and expect it to work with no funny lines across the screen, or interference on the channel you're listening to. And that is exactly what
    we generally get. As mass consumers, we wouldn't tolerate spending that
    much money and not getting perfect performance.
    Not so with amateur radio. If you spend a typical £1300 on a transceiver
    you can expect to be blighted by RFI that you can do absolutely nothing
    about. Install anything other than the most stealthy of wires, and you can expect a visit from your local planning department.
    So my basic argument for the future of a truly representative RSGB is that
    it should, indeed must, start confronting these harsh realities. It can't change the economy, but it can chane planning laws and RFI control.
    The median age of those at Board level in the society is now 70 years. We
    can guess, probably not too wildly amiss, that they will tend to be quite well-off, and have a nice house, some in places where antennas can be
    erected without much trouble. The problem is that without diversity, you
    can come to believe that everyone else is living like this, and has the
    same opportunities. But they don't. Clinging on to this belief can then translate into elitism - something that amateur radio has always suffered
    from, but must ditch.
    OK, so I ramble on again! Some of these things you may not agree with, or
    not see as very relevant to amateur radio. But I think you may agree that
    the days of getting a job, buying a house, cutting the grass on a weekend
    and twiddling with your radio from time to time just isn't the experience
    for an increasing number of people these days. We must change and adapt to people's reality, or the hobby will die even sooner than we expected.

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  • From Just Jim Dandy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 17 12:17:00 2022
    XPost: uk.radio.amateur

    On 17/02/2022 00:06, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:

    Real-World Amateur Radio

    ///////////////////////////////////////////
    Change: can the RSGB adapt?

    Posted: 16 Feb 2022 07:47 AM PST https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2022/02/change-can-rsgb-adapt.html


    Although it's hardly high-profile at the moment, there's an on-going discussion about the RSGB over on Twitter.
    For the most part, it's well-mannered, with only the occasional mindless defender of the society throwing that old cliche around: 'it's easy to
    snipe from the sidelines'.
    What I get from Twitter is that younger operators, who may or may not be
    RSGB members, don't have such a 'Leave/Remain' polarity about them that
    older members often seem to, spurred-on by fixity of mind that comes
    with old age for many.
    Does the RSGB have a future?  In short: not in its current guise. It
    doesn't seem to understand - and I hope it isn't because it doesn't care
    - that we are no longer in the '£10 passage' days of Empire, where you
    could literally have your passage to colonise other countries paid for
    by the government.  When you got there, work applenty awaited in order
    to stamp Britain's presence through development on any land unfortunate enough to see it land there.

    If that's too esoteric for you, let's look at how the environment for
    younger people has changed over recent decades, and how these impact on
    their ability to enjoy radio:
    (1) Good, well-paid jobs are much more difficult to find than they used
    to be. We are no longer rebuilding Britain after a world war, and all
    the mass-employment opportunities that brings.  Real-terms salaries have stagnated since the financial crash of 2010, and remain below the 2008
    peak. A cost-of-living crisis threatens immediately to make things a lot worse.

    (2) Housing is in a total state of crisis. Most people now retired will
    have seen house price-to-earnings ratio hover around the 3:1 level
    during their working lives. Today, it is around 10:1. Mortgages are no
    longer given away like sweets, and the loan-to-value available is often
    much lower than historically was the case. Even saving for a deposit,
    which is around £27,000 for a 10% downpayment on an average UK home now, seems almost insurmountable for many.

    This can have both a positive and negative effect effect on ham radio.
    If you can't afford a home, then you might decide to spend your income
    on a good /p or /m set-up, or set-one up in your parents' home (the
    median age of first-time buyers is now 34 years in the UK - it was only
    28 years in 2007, and 23 years in 1960). Alternatively, you may well not bother with radio at all, being perceived as something to do when you're settled in your own home and/or later in life.
    (3) Planning environment. Neighbours have always loved to complain. But today, they can do so anonymously (so far as the person complained about
    is concerned) and quickly, via e-mail, to their local council.
    Intolerance of difference is on the rise, and people's access to large gardens that can actually accommodate antennas is lower than it used to
    be. Whilst neighbours have every right to influence the decision-making process about someone who wants to install an antenna of any note, the reality is that this, coupled to ignorance of technical matters amongst planning staff, makes gaining permission far too difficult and prone to pub-talk prejudice. At the moment, anything over 76cm is not permitted without consent.
    (4) RFI. This has increased dramatically in recent years and, coupled to
    a regulator with little interest in pursuingmatters, means we either
    have to put up with bands spoiled by solar PV, car chargers, USB
    chargers, plasma TVs, etc, or else just go /p or /m.
    Now, if you buy a smart phone, or a TV, or a commercial radio receiver,
    you plug it in and expect it to work with no funny lines across the
    screen, or interference on the channel you're listening to. And that is exactly what we generally get. As mass consumers, we wouldn't tolerate spending that much money and not getting perfect performance.
    Not so with amateur radio. If you spend a typical £1300 on a transceiver
    you can expect to be blighted by RFI that you can do absolutely nothing about. Install anything other than the most stealthy of wires, and you
    can expect a visit from your local planning department.
    So my basic argument for the future of a truly representative RSGB is
    that it should, indeed must, start confronting these harsh realities.
    It can't change the economy, but it can chane planning laws and RFI
    control.
    The median age of those at Board level in the society is now 70 years.
    We can guess, probably not too wildly amiss, that they will tend to be
    quite well-off, and have a nice house, some in places where antennas can
    be erected without much trouble. The problem is that without diversity,
    you can come to believe that everyone else is living like this, and has
    the same opportunities. But they don't. Clinging on to this belief can
    then translate into elitism - something that amateur radio has always suffered from, but must ditch.
    OK, so I ramble on again! Some of these things you may not agree with,
    or not see as very relevant to amateur radio. But I think you may agree
    that the days of getting a job, buying a house, cutting the grass on a weekend and twiddling with your radio from time to time just isn't the experience for an increasing number of people these days. We must change
    and adapt to people's reality, or the hobby will die even sooner than we expected.









    who cares if the hobby only contains a few good men in the
    future...all the serial hobbyists like carol here the 'star'plugging a
    into b here will be gone....prick dugon face is now moving onto camping
    and cooking...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mLGL2fIfVI&ab_channel=M0SZT-CampingandOverlanding


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