• Remembering Bert Hoff through his poetry

    From Eviel Dewar@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 18:15:25 2022
    Here is one of Bert's poems, entitled "Men's Movement to Earth". Bert has this to say about the piece

    "This poem was delivered as the Report from the Editor to the Board of Seattle MEN at its January meeting. It provided a powerful metaphor of the events which unfolded as Seattle MEN and the Seattle Community of Men grappled with the issues surrounding
    continued publication of the magazine. In a larger sense, I think, it speaks to the so-called "men's movement(s)" and to those who are looked on as "leaders," "elders" or "mentors" in the "men's movement.""

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    Men's Movement to Earth

    When a giant is slain,
    he takes
    a long
    time
    to fall
    to the earth.
    It folds
    or unfolds
    in stages
    during the descent.

    Nobody knows, or remembers,
    or cares to remember
    Who it was that struck the mortal blow,
    or when,
    or how.

    Perhaps he was slain years ago
    and I have been dancing
    with a corpse.

    Did I think I was dancing in creative enragement
    at the Feast
    of the Alchemical Marriage
    when I was making love to Skeleton Woman?

    "Oh, no!" "Say it isn't true!" "He lives!" "We'll kill you for saying he's dead!"

    In the fertile dung
    nobody sees
    the roots
    spreading
    like wild strawberry runners
    playing on a hillside meadow.
    New fruit springs forth.

    Bert H. Hoff
    Jan. 12, 1997

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  • From Eviel Dewar@21:1/5 to Eviel Dewar on Thu Feb 17 09:07:57 2022
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:15:26 PM UTC-5, Eviel Dewar wrote:
    Here is one of Bert's poems, entitled "Men's Movement to Earth". Bert has this to say about the piece

    What the fuck was this?

    "Did I think I was dancing in creative enragement
    at the Feast of the Alchemical Marriage
    when I was making love to Skeleton Woman?"

    God, that guy was such a pretentious weirdo!

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Eviel Dewar on Fri Feb 18 15:31:09 2022
    On 02/17/2022 09:07 AM, Eviel Dewar wrote:

    God, that guy was such a pretentious weirdo!

    That goes for most 'poets' who write free verse; they can't be bothered
    with rhyme or meter in their haste to express their... well, you can't
    exactly call them 'thoughts' now, can you? Their... uh... Help me out
    here...

    Exception for e.e. cummings, of course.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Nobody needs to speak on behalf of idiots, they manage
    to speak entirely too much for themselves already.

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  • From twobuddha@gmail.com@21:1/5 to eviel...@gmail.com on Fri Feb 18 22:11:24 2022
    Amazing. That stuff is over twenty years ago, and only a truly obsessed stalking wack job freak would spend so much time on the web finding ancient history. Got a bit complicated back then, politics and all. Fascinating times, though. Thanks for the
    memory, dumbfuck.

    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-8, eviel...@gmail.com wrote:
    Here is one of Bert's poems, entitled "Men's Movement to Earth". Bert has this to say about the piece

    "This poem was delivered as the Report from the Editor to the Board of Seattle MEN at its January meeting. It provided a powerful metaphor of the events which unfolded as Seattle MEN and the Seattle Community of Men grappled with the issues surrounding
    continued publication of the magazine. In a larger sense, I think, it speaks to the so-called "men's movement(s)" and to those who are looked on as "leaders," "elders" or "mentors" in the "men's movement.""

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Men's Movement to Earth

    When a giant is slain,
    he takes
    a long
    time
    to fall
    to the earth.
    It folds
    or unfolds
    in stages
    during the descent.

    Nobody knows, or remembers,
    or cares to remember
    Who it was that struck the mortal blow,
    or when,
    or how.

    Perhaps he was slain years ago
    and I have been dancing
    with a corpse.

    Did I think I was dancing in creative enragement
    at the Feast
    of the Alchemical Marriage
    when I was making love to Skeleton Woman?

    "Oh, no!" "Say it isn't true!" "He lives!" "We'll kill you for saying he's dead!"

    In the fertile dung
    nobody sees
    the roots
    spreading
    like wild strawberry runners
    playing on a hillside meadow.
    New fruit springs forth.

    Bert H. Hoff
    Jan. 12, 1997

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  • From twobuddha@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri Feb 18 22:13:33 2022
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:31:12 PM UTC-8, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 02/17/2022 09:07 AM, Eviel Dewar wrote:

    God, that guy was such a pretentious weirdo!

    A guy who calls himself Eviel Dewar calling anyone pretentious or weird is truly hilarious, you pathetic weirdo.

    That goes for most 'poets' who write free verse; they can't be bothered
    with rhyme or meter in their haste to express their... well, you can't exactly call them 'thoughts' now, can you? Their... uh... Help me out
    here...

    Sounds like what most sociopaths write, can't be bothered with morals or ethics, especially when conversing with a convicted sex offender fresh out of prison. Bev Cuntley's kind of people.

    Exception for e.e. cummings, of course.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Nobody needs to speak on behalf of idiots, they manage
    to speak entirely too much for themselves already.

    Certainly, no one needs to speak on behalf of you, Cunt.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to twob...@gmail.com on Sat Feb 19 13:07:45 2022
    On 2022-02-18 10:11 p.m., twob...@gmail.com wrote:
    Amazing. That stuff is over twenty years ago, and only a truly
    obsessed stalking wack job freak would spend so much time on the web
    finding ancient history. Got a bit complicated back then, politics
    and all. Fascinating times, though. Thanks for the memory,
    dumbfuck.

    Only an idiot thinks it takes "so much time" to find it.


    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-8, eviel...@gmail.com
    wrote:
    Here is one of Bert's poems, entitled "Men's Movement to Earth".
    Bert has this to say about the piece

    "This poem was delivered as the Report from the Editor to the Board
    of Seattle MEN at its January meeting. It provided a powerful
    metaphor of the events which unfolded as Seattle MEN and the
    Seattle Community of Men grappled with the issues surrounding
    continued publication of the magazine. In a larger sense, I think,
    it speaks to the so-called "men's movement(s)" and to those who are
    looked on as "leaders," "elders" or "mentors" in the "men's
    movement.""

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    Men's Movement to Earth

    When a giant is slain, he takes a long time to fall to the earth.
    It folds or unfolds in stages during the descent.

    Nobody knows, or remembers, or cares to remember Who it was that
    struck the mortal blow, or when, or how.

    Perhaps he was slain years ago and I have been dancing with a
    corpse.

    Did I think I was dancing in creative enragement at the Feast of
    the Alchemical Marriage when I was making love to Skeleton Woman?

    "Oh, no!" "Say it isn't true!" "He lives!" "We'll kill you for
    saying he's dead!"

    In the fertile dung nobody sees the roots spreading like wild
    strawberry runners playing on a hillside meadow. New fruit springs
    forth.

    Bert H. Hoff Jan. 12, 1997

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  • From twobuddha@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Feb 19 17:31:18 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:07:47 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-18 10:11 p.m., twob...@gmail.com wrote:
    Amazing. That stuff is over twenty years ago, and only a truly
    obsessed stalking wack job freak would spend so much time on the web finding ancient history. Got a bit complicated back then, politics
    and all. Fascinating times, though. Thanks for the memory,
    dumbfuck.
    Only an idiot thinks it takes "so much time" to find it.

    Only an idiot would waste ANY time on such nonsense. Oooops, forgot. You are one of those idiots. Idiot.

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