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  • Ballon d'Or is a crock of shit

    From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 30 14:47:25 2023
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Mon Oct 30 16:31:15 2023
    On 2023-10-30 15:47, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.

    I don't much care about these kind of awards, but surely MBappe is more derserving than Haaland, especially given the latter's uninspiring
    performances in a Norway shirt ?

    Haaland is an amazing goal scorer. But is he even the best player for
    Man City ? A case could be made for Rodri, De Bruyne or even Bruno Dias

    But you are right that world cups are given far too much weight for this
    type of award. I always felt Zidane getting it in 1998 was a complete
    farce, and seemed based on two uncharacteristic headed goals in the
    final itself, when he had been pretty undistinguished in the rest of the tournament - including getting sent off and missing a match through
    suspension. Juve actually improved when Zidane left and was replaced by Nedved.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Mon Oct 30 16:52:50 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:47:27 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.

    Possibly, but seven goals and three assists as a World Cup winner will always get you one of these.
    Mbappé would have been a shoo-in if the shootout had gone the other way.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Oct 31 03:08:39 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:47:27 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.
    Possibly, but seven goals and three assists as a World Cup winner will always get you one of these.
    Mbappé would have been a shoo-in if the shootout had gone the other way.

    The only reason Messi has 8 Balon d'Ors is that people put too much weight on team achievements. If it were based purely on individual ability, he would have 17

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 06:05:11 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 6:31:20 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2023-10-30 15:47, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.
    I don't much care about these kind of awards, but surely MBappe is more derserving than Haaland, especially given the latter's uninspiring performances in a Norway shirt ?

    Haaland is an amazing goal scorer. But is he even the best player for
    Man City ? A case could be made for Rodri, De Bruyne or even Bruno Dias

    But you are right that world cups are given far too much weight for this type of award. I always felt Zidane getting it in 1998 was a complete
    farce, and seemed based on two uncharacteristic headed goals in the
    final itself, when he had been pretty undistinguished in the rest of the tournament - including getting sent off and missing a match through suspension. Juve actually improved when Zidane left and was replaced by Nedved.

    I am still sore from 2019 when Messi beat out Van Dijk on basis of just a La Liga title, when VVD had won the UCL and missed out on the EPL title by 1 point. Even disregarding the EPL, surely UCL beats La Liga? And VVD was the most dominant defender in
    the world at that time by some distance. I know defensive player hadn't won it since 2006, but VVD's case was as strong as ever.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Tue Oct 31 05:58:18 2023
    On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:08:42 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:47:27 PM UTC+1, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.
    Possibly, but seven goals and three assists as a World Cup winner will always get you one of these.
    Mbappé would have been a shoo-in if the shootout had gone the other way.
    The only reason Messi has 8 Balon d'Ors is that people put too much weight on team achievements. If it were based purely on individual ability, he would have 17

    And 0 for Ronaldo?

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 20:28:57 2023
    MH wrote:

    On 2023-10-30 15:47, Al Kamista wrote:
    Messi again???

    How painfully boring. Haaland did far more.

    I don't much care about these kind of awards, but surely MBappe is
    more derserving than Haaland, especially given the latter's
    uninspiring performances in a Norway shirt ?

    If France had won the 2022 World Cup Mbappé would have won the Ballon
    d'Or.


    Haaland is an amazing goal scorer. But is he even the best player
    for Man City ? A case could be made for Rodri, De Bruyne or even
    Bruno Dias

    I never thought Haaland had a chance this year...

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