I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one has ever
heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am pretty sure
it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer comes
through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one has ever
heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am pretty sure
it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
Well, Leverkusen last played there in November so they might have
remembered.
I‘ve got to say it sucks a bit that the draw turned out two ties (also Sporting-Atalanta) that have already taken place in the group stages.
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am pretty sure
it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time Florian
Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the point for Bayer
and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again a late goal saves
Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has happened so many times this season as well. Can they go undefeated for the rest of the season?
Probably not, but they have 10 points on bayern and you know bayern will
drop points. Dont let that win vs Lazio fool you into believing bayern
is back. Lazio played to hold Bayern instead of going after them and
that is why they lost, also they just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep squad,
they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a bunch for
this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so I kinda get
that, but they just cant do it without the core players. Can you
imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they would be peddling those
bikes for months! I mean come on, it is closer to China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer comes
through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one has
ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am
pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the point
for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again a late
goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has happened so
many times this season as well. Can they go undefeated for the rest
of the season? Probably not, but they have 10 points on bayern and you
know bayern will drop points. Dont let that win vs Lazio fool you
into believing bayern is back. Lazio played to hold Bayern instead of
going after them and that is why they lost, also they just are not
very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep squad,
they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a bunch for
this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so I kinda get
that, but they just cant do it without the core players. Can you
imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they would be peddling those
bikes for months! I mean come on, it is closer to China than Europe!
I think they are closer to Australia than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's match,
except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go to ET. They
were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going out, but once
again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off the win. Now
granted they beat this team form who knows where in the group stage 6-1
on agg. so it should have been easier, but the end result is what matters.
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is, our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I still
cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a 10 point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what is interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is, our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I still
cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a 10
point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is, our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I still
cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a 10 point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what is interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer
comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one
has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am
pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the point
for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again a late
goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has happened so
many times this season as well. Can they go undefeated for the rest
of the season? Probably not, but they have 10 points on bayern and
you know bayern will drop points. Dont let that win vs Lazio fool
you into believing bayern is back. Lazio played to hold Bayern
instead of going after them and that is why they lost, also they just
are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep
squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a
bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so I
kinda get that, but they just cant do it without the core players.
Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they would be
peddling those bikes for months! I mean come on, it is closer to
China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's match,
except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go to ET.
They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going out, but
once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off the win.
Now granted they beat this team form who knows where in the group
stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but the end result is
what matters.
Once again, in what seems a normal occurrence, bayer win with goals in
the 90th minute. Apparently Xabi will be back again next season as
well, probably end up getting fired next year. But enjoy it while you
can. Now lets see if the Pretenders can do it against Bayern.
On 2024-03-17 5:25 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is, our
projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I still
cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a 10
point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what is
interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer
comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no one
has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, I am
pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the point
for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again a late
goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has happened so
many times this season as well. Can they go undefeated for the rest
of the season? Probably not, but they have 10 points on bayern and
you know bayern will drop points. Dont let that win vs Lazio fool
you into believing bayern is back. Lazio played to hold Bayern
instead of going after them and that is why they lost, also they
just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep
squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a
bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so I
kinda get that, but they just cant do it without the core players.
Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they would be
peddling those bikes for months! I mean come on, it is closer to
China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia than Europe???? >>>>
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's match,
except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go to ET.
They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going out, but
once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off the win.
Now granted they beat this team form who knows where in the group
stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but the end result
is what matters.
Just incredible, they did it again! This time I didnt think they would,
but no, they just cant lose
On 2024-03-30 12:41 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Once again, in what seems a normal occurrence, bayer win with goals in
the 90th minute. Apparently Xabi will be back again next season as
well, probably end up getting fired next year. But enjoy it while you
can. Now lets see if the Pretenders can do it against Bayern.
On 2024-03-17 5:25 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is, our
projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I still
cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a 10
point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what is
interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer
comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no
one has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I mean, >>>>> I am pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the point
for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again a late >>>>> goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has happened so
many times this season as well. Can they go undefeated for the
rest of the season? Probably not, but they have 10 points on bayern
and you know bayern will drop points. Dont let that win vs Lazio
fool you into believing bayern is back. Lazio played to hold
Bayern instead of going after them and that is why they lost, also
they just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep
squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a
bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so
I kinda get that, but they just cant do it without the core
players. Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they
would be peddling those bikes for months! I mean come on, it is
closer to China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia
than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's match,
except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go to ET.
They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going out, but
once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off the win.
Now granted they beat this team form who knows where in the group
stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but the end result
is what matters.
On 2024-04-21 2:19 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Just incredible, they did it again! This time I didnt think they
would, but no, they just cant lose
ditto
On 2024-03-30 12:41 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Once again, in what seems a normal occurrence, bayer win with goals
in the 90th minute. Apparently Xabi will be back again next season
as well, probably end up getting fired next year. But enjoy it while
you can. Now lets see if the Pretenders can do it against Bayern.
On 2024-03-17 5:25 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is,
our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I
still cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and a
10 point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what
is interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer
comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no
one has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I
mean, I am pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe
Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the
point for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once again >>>>>> a late goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that has
happened so many times this season as well. Can they go
undefeated for the rest of the season? Probably not, but they have >>>>>> 10 points on bayern and you know bayern will drop points. Dont
let that win vs Lazio fool you into believing bayern is back.
Lazio played to hold Bayern instead of going after them and that
is why they lost, also they just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep
squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested a >>>>>> bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, so >>>>>> I kinda get that, but they just cant do it without the core
players. Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they
would be peddling those bikes for months! I mean come on, it is
closer to China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia
than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first
undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's
match, except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go
to ET. They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going
out, but once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off
the win. Now granted they beat this team form who knows where in
the group stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but the
end result is what matters.
Well they did it again. No amount of cheap penalty calls against them
is enough to stop this unbeaten run. At 2-0 I was saying they will come back, even if I did not fully believe it, but at 2-1 you just knew they
would and to be fair they were the better team through out the game and really deserved to be ahead anyhow/. But still, another 97 min goal
secures the run.
The one worrying thing for Bayer and for the German National team, is Wirtz. He came on with 10 minutes left, right before Bayer scored both goals and he didnt really have too much to do with either goal, but you
could tell by his movements and running that there is something wrong
with him injury-wise.
On 2024-04-27 5:29 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-04-21 2:19 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Just incredible, they did it again! This time I didnt think they
would, but no, they just cant lose
ditto
On 2024-03-30 12:41 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Once again, in what seems a normal occurrence, bayer win with goals
in the 90th minute. Apparently Xabi will be back again next season
as well, probably end up getting fired next year. But enjoy it while
you can. Now lets see if the Pretenders can do it against Bayern.
On 2024-03-17 5:25 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is,
our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I
still cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and
a 10 point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what
is interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer >>>>>>> comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no >>>>>>> one has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I
mean, I am pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe >>>>>>> Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time
Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the
point for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once
again a late goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that >>>>>>> has happened so many times this season as well. Can they go
undefeated for the rest of the season? Probably not, but they
have 10 points on bayern and you know bayern will drop points.
Dont let that win vs Lazio fool you into believing bayern is
back. Lazio played to hold Bayern instead of going after them and >>>>>>> that is why they lost, also they just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep
squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested >>>>>>> a bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from Germany, >>>>>>> so I kinda get that, but they just cant do it without the core
players. Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing Qarabag, they
would be peddling those bikes for months! I mean come on, it is >>>>>>> closer to China than Europe! I think they are closer to Australia >>>>>>> than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the first >>>>>>> undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's
match, except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go
to ET. They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going
out, but once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull off >>>>>> the win. Now granted they beat this team form who knows where in
the group stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but the >>>>>> end result is what matters.
THere was a time when people referred to Leverkusen as The Pretenders or called them Neverkusen and things like that. We at the BLW were
appalled so we started the Bayer Leverkusen Watch back in May 27 2023,
that was the day Bayer lost to Bochum, which was the last time Bayer
lost a game. It was also the last game of last season, had Bochum not
won, they would have needed to play a relegation play off to stay up in
the 1st div, they may or may not need the points to stay up this year?
On 2024-05-09 7:03 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Well they did it again. No amount of cheap penalty calls against them
is enough to stop this unbeaten run. At 2-0 I was saying they will
come back, even if I did not fully believe it, but at 2-1 you just
knew they would and to be fair they were the better team through out
the game and really deserved to be ahead anyhow/. But still, another
97 min goal secures the run.
The one worrying thing for Bayer and for the German National team, is
Wirtz. He came on with 10 minutes left, right before Bayer scored
both goals and he didnt really have too much to do with either goal,
but you could tell by his movements and running that there is
something wrong with him injury-wise.
On 2024-04-27 5:29 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-04-21 2:19 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Just incredible, they did it again! This time I didnt think they
would, but no, they just cant lose
ditto
On 2024-03-30 12:41 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
Once again, in what seems a normal occurrence, bayer win with goals
in the 90th minute. Apparently Xabi will be back again next season >>>>> as well, probably end up getting fired next year. But enjoy it
while you can. Now lets see if the Pretenders can do it against
Bayern.
On 2024-03-17 5:25 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I want to say Bayer are new Champions, the equation proves it is,
our projections have them winning the liga,but deep down inside, I >>>>>> still cant help but think of the Pretenders. But 8 games left and >>>>>> a 10 point lead,what could possibly go wrong?
Bayer beat Freiburg today 3-2, which is not that interesting, what >>>>>> is interesting is that Streich may be hanging up the bicycle?
On 2024-03-14 6:07 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
On 2024-03-07 2:59 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:
I was ready to say the Pretenders are back, but once again Bayer >>>>>>>> comes through. Now granted, they were playing against a team no >>>>>>>> one has ever heard of from a country from who knows where? I >>>>>>>> mean, I am pretty sure it is not in Europe, possibly Asia, maybe >>>>>>>> Arctica?
I didn't see how Qaraba went up 2-0, I tuned in around the time >>>>>>>> Florian Wirtz came on and he then single-handedly rescued the
point for Bayer and keeps them undefeated this season. Once
again a late goal saves Bayer from being the Pretenders and that >>>>>>>> has happened so many times this season as well. Can they go
undefeated for the rest of the season? Probably not, but they
have 10 points on bayern and you know bayern will drop points. >>>>>>>> Dont let that win vs Lazio fool you into believing bayern is
back. Lazio played to hold Bayern instead of going after them
and that is why they lost, also they just are not very good.
I suppose what this does show is that Leverkusen are not a deep >>>>>>>> squad, they need their top players, Alonso looked to have rested >>>>>>>> a bunch for this match, which is 10 time zones away from
Germany, so I kinda get that, but they just cant do it without >>>>>>>> the core players. Can you imagine if Freiburg was playing
Qarabag, they would be peddling those bikes for months! I mean >>>>>>>> come on, it is closer to China than Europe! I think they are
closer to Australia than Europe????
We will continue this watch to see if bayer can pull of the
first undefeated season ever in the history of football!
You can pretty much take this post and re-post it for today's
match, except go one better as they score 3 to avoid having to go >>>>>>> to ET. They were down 2-0 with 20 mins left and looked like going >>>>>>> out, but once again in very un-pretnder like fashion they pull
off the win. Now granted they beat this team form who knows where >>>>>>> in the group stage 6-1 on agg. so it should have been easier, but >>>>>>> the end result is what matters.
I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the greatest team
in
the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World Championship of the
World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
I dont even know who they are playing, but if that mystery team win,
they just win some obscure UEFA cup thing.
Honestly, I assume Bayer will win, just cus they always do, but part of
me thinks this might be the end of the BLW. :[
They have certainly done that an uncanny number of times this year, but
I can't see it happening today. Atalanta are fired up, as they were
against Liverpool.
MH wrote:
They have certainly done that an uncanny number of times this year, but
I can't see it happening today. Atalanta are fired up, as they were
against Liverpool.
3-0 now, Lookman hattrick. This will require an extra level of black
magic from Xabi Alonso's crew
Binder Dundat wrote:
I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the greatest team
in
the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World Championship of the
World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
I dont even know who they are playing, but if that mystery team win,
they just win some obscure UEFA cup thing.
Honestly, I assume Bayer will win, just cus they always do, but part of
me thinks this might be the end of the BLW. :[
They are down 2-0 at half time. So yeah, they will easily come back in
the 97th minute and win it in extra time, crowning them the greatest
team in the history of the world
Futbolmetrix wrote:
MH wrote:
They have certainly done that an uncanny number of times this year, but
I can't see it happening today. Atalanta are fired up, as they were
against Liverpool.
3-0 now, Lookman hattrick. This will require an extra level of black
magic from Xabi Alonso's crew
No magic. 3-0 is the final score, first European title for Atalanta, no invincible season for Leverkusen.
Jesper wins the Europa League SophCon
I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the greatest team
in the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World Championship of
the World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
Binder Dundat wrote:
I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the greatest teamThe greatest team ever were Independiente's team that won the Copa Libertadores 4 years in a row from 1972-75. Everybody knows that don't
in the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World Championship of
the World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
they?
Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
team >> in the history of the world. Can Bayer win the WorldI cant help but think this might be the crowning of the greatest
Championship of >> the World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
The greatest team ever were Independiente's team that won the Copa Libertadores 4 years in a row from 1972-75. Everybody knows that
don't they?
How often did they win the Argentine title in the same period?
Ciao,
Werner
On 26.05.2024 11:46, Mark wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
team >> in the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World >>Championship of >> the World to be crowned the greatest team ever.I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the
greatest
The greatest team ever were Independiente's team that won the
Copa Libertadores 4 years in a row from 1972-75. Everybody
knows that don't they?
How often did they win the Argentine title in the same period?
Ciao,
Werner
We won it in 1971, 1977 and 1978. The Championship of a whole
continent is of far greater significance than the championship of a
single country anyway. Not to mention all the other international
titles we won in that period.
It's just that I distinctly remember from one of our discussions about
the nature of the Champions League that you were adamant that teams
that hadn't won their domestic championship had no right to call
themselves best teams of Europe even if they won the Champions League
that year (like Dortmund could this year).
Your actual quote was: 'Haven't those teams already been proved to
not be the best team in Europe by failing to even win their domestic Championships?'
Independiente finished 11th, 4th, 8th, and 13th in those years, while
in the Copa Libertadores they also had the advantage of getting a bye
into the semifinal stage from 1973 to 1975, a boon that the actual
Argentine champions of those years didn't get.
I don't have a problem with any of this, but I am reasonably sure that
in other circumstances you would decry the unfairness of it all.
Ciao,
Werner
Werner Pichler wrote:
On 26.05.2024 11:46, Mark wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:team >> in the history of the world. Can Bayer win the World
I cant help but think this might be the crowning of the
greatest
Championship of >> the World to be crowned the greatest team ever.
The greatest team ever were Independiente's team that won the
Copa Libertadores 4 years in a row from 1972-75. Everybody
knows that don't they?
How often did they win the Argentine title in the same period?
Ciao,
Werner
We won it in 1971, 1977 and 1978. The Championship of a whole
continent is of far greater significance than the championship of a
single country anyway. Not to mention all the other international
titles we won in that period.
It's just that I distinctly remember from one of our discussions about
the nature of the Champions League that you were adamant that teams
that hadn't won their domestic championship had no right to call
themselves best teams of Europe even if they won the Champions League
that year (like Dortmund could this year).
Your actual quote was: 'Haven't those teams already been proved to
not be the best team in Europe by failing to even win their domestic
Championships?'
Independiente finished 11th, 4th, 8th, and 13th in those years, while
in the Copa Libertadores they also had the advantage of getting a bye
into the semifinal stage from 1973 to 1975, a boon that the actual
Argentine champions of those years didn't get.
I don't have a problem with any of this, but I am reasonably sure that
in other circumstances you would decry the unfairness of it all.
Ciao,
Werner
I don't have a problem with the Champions of Europe qualifying for the Champions League (at least, assuming they were Champions of their
country the year before they became Champions of Europe). The word
Champions WAS in the name of the tournament for a reason (I don't know
why it still is).
I think it was fairer when the Champions League was only open to
domestic champions and the Champions of the continent.
Every time Independiente have won the Copa Libertadores we've qualified
for it either as Champions of Argentina or Champions of South America.
I don't have a problem with the Champions of Europe qualifying
for the Champions League (at least, assuming they were
Champions of their country the year before they became
Champions of Europe). The word Champions WAS in the name of
the tournament for a reason (I don't know why it still is).
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