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THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON [R implied or direct]
From
anders t@21:1/5 to
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HEADS UP - ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 24/25 SOPHCON
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Btw: There will be a few changes of the division of the positions...
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From
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DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
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From
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
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Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here: >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Don't forget!
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From
Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to
anders t on Wed Aug 7 08:22:00 2024
anders t <
anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
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ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON
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DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
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Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Don't forget!
Only last-minute SophCon entries are winning SophCon entries!
(actually that’s a potential correlation that Daniele could perhaps check…)
Ciao,
Werner
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From
Silver Skull@21:1/5 to
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What is a "sophcon" ? ? ?
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Fri Aug 9 17:54:29 2024
On 2024-07-27 13:06, anders t wrote:
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HEADS UP - ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 24/25 SOPHCON
DEADLINE WILL BE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST GAME ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE: latest during next week as a reply to this post
Btw: There will be a few changes of the division of the positions...
What am I missing about 17th place ? Why is is important to distinguish
it from 16th ?
Also, surely 5-7 are not equivalent, with the 5th placed team in the
running for a CL place under the new format (if the one-year coefficient
of the EPL is among the top 2). Even without that, 5th place guarantees
a EL place, whereas 6th does not (if the cup winner finishes seventh or
lower).
Not a big deal, just puzzled.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Aug 10 17:10:49 2024
Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer:
On 2024-07-27 13:06, anders t wrote:
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HEADS UP - ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 24/25 SOPHCON
DEADLINE WILL BE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST GAME
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SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE: latest during next week as a reply to this post
Btw: There will be a few changes of the division of the positions...
What am I missing about 17th place ? Why is is important to distinguish
it from 16th ?
17 is the last team to survive! The last winner (paraphrasing first loser).
Also, surely 5-7 are not equivalent, with the 5th placed team in the
running for a CL place under the new format (if the one-year coefficient
of the EPL is among the top 2). Even without that, 5th place guarantees
a EL place, whereas 6th does not (if the cup winner finishes seventh or >lower).
I decided to keep the column number down.
Not a big deal, just puzzled.
We aim to please!
(As you can see I'm with Usenet account again - "Pure Usenet" - two week trial.)
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Aug 12 17:33:08 2024
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here: >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
R E M I N D E R !!!
(Still no entries at all...)
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Aug 12 18:04:43 2024
Quoting Silver Skull in rec.sport.soccer:
What is a "sophcon" ? ? ?
Sophcon is short for Sophisticated Contest.
I think Futbolmetrix has a mathematical description ready-written
somewhere?
But in general you need to assign a probability for each possible (defined) outcome that can happen for a team (or player) in a certain competition.
The sum of the probabilities for each team (player) (the rows) must sum to exactly 1.
The sum of the probabilities for a possible outcome must sum exactly to the number of teams (players) (the columns) that can end up with that outcome.
Example
Team, Outcome 1 (2 teams), Outcome 2 (1 team), Outcome 3 (1 team) ========================================================
A 0.5000 0.2500 0.2500 || 1.0000
B 0.2495 0.2000 0.5505 || 1.0000
C 0.4000 0.4006 0.1994 || 1.0000
D 0.8505 0.1494 0.0001 || 1.0000
==============================
S 2.0000 1.0000 1.0000
Outcome 1 could here mean losing in a semifinal.
Outcome 2 could mean losing the final.
Outcome 3 could mean winning the final.
This example then means that the Predictor thinks that it is more probable
that teams A and D lose their semifinals and that team C then (probably)
loses the final.
You can also see that he Predictor basically thinks NO CHANCE team D wins
the final. (But in a real sports competition there is no NO chance, just
VERY VERY VERY SMALL chance)
I hope I got everything right there.
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Mon Aug 12 12:10:45 2024
On 2024-08-12 09:33, anders t wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
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ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON
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DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
R E M I N D E R !!!
(Still no entries at all...)
working on it.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Aug 15 17:52:18 2024
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here: >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Still not one single entry!
Just one day to go now.
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From
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All on Thu Aug 15 19:54:05 2024
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
Plenty of time!
You'll get mine.
A battle between MH, you, and me!
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From
Silver Skull@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Aug 15 19:08:38 2024
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:18 +0000, anders t wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
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ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Still not one single entry!
I did look but it seemed a bit complicated.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Aug 15 21:15:31 2024
Quoting Silver Skull in rec.sport.soccer:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:18 +0000, anders t wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer: >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Still not one single entry!
I did look but it seemed a bit complicated.
It's not really complicated, but takes a little time to get all sums right
in the end.
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Aug 15 15:24:09 2024
On 2024-08-15 09:52, anders t wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
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ANNOUNCING - THE EPL 2024/2025 SOPHCON
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DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST FIXTURE
SPREADSHEET AVAILABLE HERE: http://spc.elgunet.se/spc.html
You might get a warning by your virus software, but there is
nothing fishy about the page/file. As always you should of
course check the file with your own software to be certain.
The drill is well-known by now. (If not ask in the thread!)
Welcome, Bots and Humans alike are!
Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first.
Before you submit, check that all the OKs are there.
And as always: Luck has nothing to do with it.
Still not one single entry!
Just one day to go now.
Very difficult this year if points penalties are going to be a factor.
Are Everton, Forest, Leicester and Man City not all in danger of losing
points for financial reasons? Makes predicting things a bit more
challenging.
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Aug 15 16:11:44 2024
On 2024-08-15 11:54, anders t wrote:
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
Plenty of time!
You'll get mine.
A battle between MH, you, and me!
Mine is in. But it is not very good. Had trouble trying to calculate in
the probability of points deductions as I mentioned elsewhere.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 12:52:17 2024
First entry in!
Humans:
MH
Bots:
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 19:30:28 2024
My entry:
2000 5498 2000 0500 0001 0001
0001 1500 2428 6069 0001 0001
0001 0001 1000 6061 0937 2000
0001 0001 0050 7011 0937 2000
0001 0500 2000 7299 0100 0100
1500 4998 3000 0500 0001 0001
0001 0001 1000 6061 0937 2000
0001 0001 0050 7010 0938 2000
0001 0001 0050 7011 0937 2000
0001 0001 0001 1500 3305 5192
0001 0001 0001 6097 0500 3400
1500 4998 3000 0500 0001 0001
3000 3998 2000 0001 0001 1000
1500 4998 3000 0500 0001 0001
0001 1000 2428 6569 0001 0001
0001 0001 0001 6097 0500 3400
0001 0001 0001 6097 0500 3400
0486 2000 5512 2000 0001 0001
0001 0500 2428 7069 0001 0001
0001 0001 0050 6048 0400 3500
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 19:28:09 2024
Entries so far. Soon deadline!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
Bots:
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 20:32:07 2024
Entries so far. VERY soon deadline!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 21:30:28 2024
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 16 22:09:00 2024
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points deduction for City
- relegation heavy. :-)
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From
Blueshirt@21:1/5 to
anders t on Sat Aug 17 08:06:46 2024
anders t wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points
deduction for City - relegation heavy. :-)
That's not called speculating, that's called hopium...
Last season, Manchester City would have needed to have been
deducted 66 points to be relegated... that's beyond HEAVY! ;-)
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From
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All on Sat Aug 17 08:48:37 2024
The combined human prediction for #1
0,3120 Manchester City
0,1963 Arsenal
0,1832 Liverpool
0,1150 Manchester United
0,1025 Chelsea
0,0672 Tottenham
0,0158 Newcastle
0,0060 Aston Villa
0,0008 Everton
0,0003 West Ham
0,0001 Bournemouth
0,0001 Brentford
0,0001 Brighton
0,0001 Crystal Palace
0,0001 Fulham
0,0001 Ipswich
0,0001 Leicester
0,0001 Nottingham
0,0001 Southampton
0,0001 Wolverhampton
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From
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All on Sat Aug 17 10:23:26 2024
Quoting Blueshirt in rec.sport.soccer:
anders t wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points
deduction for City - relegation heavy. :-)
That's not called speculating, that's called hopium...
Last season, Manchester City would have needed to have been
deducted 66 points to be relegated... that's beyond HEAVY! ;-)
Well, I've seen actual speculations that there could be 70-80 points
deduction JUST because of this. To ensure the Man C relegation.
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From
Blueshirt@21:1/5 to
anders t on Sat Aug 17 11:29:55 2024
anders t wrote:
Quoting Blueshirt in rec.sport.soccer:
anders t wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points
deduction for City - relegation heavy. :-)
That's not called speculating, that's called hopium...
Last season, Manchester City would have needed to have been
deducted 66 points to be relegated... that's beyond HEAVY!
;-)
Well, I've seen actual speculations that there could be 70-80
points deduction JUST because of this. To ensure the Man C
relegation.
Technically they don't need to do a BIG points deduction to
relegate Manchester City, as automatic expulsion from the
Premier League is one of the punishments they have at their
disposal if Manchester City are found guilty... as is, titles
being stripped, transfer bans and of course, points deductions.
But if anyone seriously thinks Manchester City won't be in the
Premier League in the 2025/26 season I'd say that is more
wishful thinking than anything else, as I don't see that
scenario happening... I don't think the Premier League really
want to see that happen either.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Aug 17 14:52:41 2024
Quoting Blueshirt in rec.sport.soccer:
Technically they don't need to do a BIG points deduction to
relegate Manchester City, as automatic expulsion from the
Premier League is one of the punishments they have at their
disposal if Manchester City are found guilty... as is, titles
being stripped, transfer bans and of course, points deductions.
But if anyone seriously thinks Manchester City won't be in the
Premier League in the 2025/26 season I'd say that is more
wishful thinking than anything else, as I don't see that
scenario happening... I don't think the Premier League really
want to see that happen either.
If you are so sure why didn't you play? It's easy to talk!
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From
Blueshirt@21:1/5 to
anders t on Sat Aug 17 14:23:45 2024
anders t wrote:
Quoting Blueshirt in rec.sport.soccer:
Technically they don't need to do a BIG points deduction to
relegate Manchester City, as automatic expulsion from the
Premier League is one of the punishments they have at their
disposal if Manchester City are found guilty... as is, titles
being stripped, transfer bans and of course, points
deductions.
But if anyone seriously thinks Manchester City won't be in
the Premier League in the 2025/26 season I'd say that is more
wishful thinking than anything else, as I don't see that
scenario happening... I don't think the Premier League really
want to see that happen either.
If you are so sure why didn't you play? It's easy to talk!
Nah, it looked quite boring to me. All that % stuff goes over my
head... I play FPL, that's enough to be wrecking my head over!
(And at least the RSS FPL mini-league has more than three people
taking part!)
However, I am happy to make a bold prediction that Manchester
City will win the Premier League [*] very closely followed by
Arsenal...
[* barring a points deduction of course!]
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Sun Aug 18 20:20:59 2024
On 2024-08-16 14:09, anders t wrote:
Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points deduction for City
- relegation heavy. :-)
Well I did speculate on a substantial points deduction for City - 10 %
for them to finish out of the European places. I can see them possibly
getting deducted 30-50 points, which would probably not be enough to
relegate them. On the other hand, who knows? I would put a high
percentage on a number of penalties this year, and then all of them
going to appeal and being reduced.
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From
Blueshirt@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Aug 19 12:08:44 2024
MH wrote:
On 2024-08-16 14:09, anders t wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one to speculate in HEAVY points
deduction for City - relegation heavy. :-)
Well I did speculate on a substantial points deduction for
City - 10 % for them to finish out of the European places.
THAT I can see happening... if Manchester City do get found
guilty. (Despite popular opinion they haven't been found guilty
of any of the charges yet. Plus they can afford to hire the best
legal team in the land to handle their defence... and have done
in Lord Pannick KC!)
can see them possibly getting deducted 30-50 points, which
would probably not be enough to relegate them. On the other
hand, who knows? I would put a high percentage on a number of
penalties this year, and then all of them going to appeal and
being reduced.
I wonder how much of that is taken in to account when the point
deductions are awarded? As in, the panel must know that any
judgement with a punishment of a points deduction is going to be
appealed. So do they give a few extra points knowing they might
be taken off on appeal?
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From
Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to
anders t on Mon Aug 19 22:37:29 2024
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:30:28 +0000, anders t wrote:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Sorry I missed it this year. I can try to post the bots' prediction
based just on preseason rankings if you'll accept it
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MH@21:1/5 to
Futbolmetrix on Mon Aug 19 17:32:37 2024
On 2024-08-19 16:37, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:30:28 +0000, anders t wrote:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Sorry I missed it this year. I can try to post the bots' prediction
based just on preseason rankings if you'll accept it
Not sure how Anders and the others feel, but I think one match is so
little of an advantage in a 38 game season, that I would have no problem accepting late entries from you (or anyone else) and the bots.
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anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Tue Aug 20 20:26:50 2024
Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer:
On 2024-08-19 16:37, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:30:28 +0000, anders t wrote:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Sorry I missed it this year. I can try to post the bots' prediction
based just on preseason rankings if you'll accept it
Not sure how Anders and the others feel, but I think one match is so
little of an advantage in a 38 game season, that I would have no problem >accepting late entries from you (or anyone else) and the bots.
It's not only about one game or not, but also about more information about possible or actual late transfers (and of course information around City
115).
But I'll certainly accept if FM puts in bot entries based on data pre 1
round.
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From
Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to
anders t on Wed Aug 21 11:08:56 2024
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 18:26:50 +0000, anders t wrote:
Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer:
On 2024-08-19 16:37, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:30:28 +0000, anders t wrote:
And that's it. It's all about humans this season.
Game on!
Humans:
MH
JP
AT
WP
Bots:
None
Sorry I missed it this year. I can try to post the bots' prediction
based just on preseason rankings if you'll accept it
Not sure how Anders and the others feel, but I think one match is so
little of an advantage in a 38 game season, that I would have no problem >>accepting late entries from you (or anyone else) and the bots.
It's not only about one game or not, but also about more information
about possible or actual late transfers (and of course information
around City
115).
I agree with that, that's why I didn't ask my human entry to enter the competition.
But I'll certainly accept if FM puts in bot entries based on data pre 1 round.
I have the preseason ClubElo rating and will make a prediction based on
that. As for TransferMarkt, I only have data as of right now
(2024-08-21, 7:06am EDT), which may include value changes after the
first match, or late roster changes. I'm going to argue that these
things are sufficiently marginal that you can consider the
TransferMarkt-based prediction as a preseason prediction.
Will send the predictions sometime this week.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Aug 23 22:40:21 2024
Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
I have the preseason ClubElo rating and will make a prediction based on
that. As for TransferMarkt, I only have data as of right now
(2024-08-21, 7:06am EDT), which may include value changes after the
first match, or late roster changes. I'm going to argue that these
things are sufficiently marginal that you can consider the >TransferMarkt-based prediction as a preseason prediction.
Will send the predictions sometime this week.
How's it going?
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From
Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to
anders t on Sun Aug 25 13:31:08 2024
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:40:21 +0000, anders t wrote:
How's it going?
You have mail.
I sent in 6 bot predictions. The first three are:
ClubElo: based on pre-season ClubElo ratingsm
TransferMarkt: based on preseason(*) TM ratings
WageBill: based on Fbref/Capology wage bill ratings
The second three (ClubEloPlus, TransferMarktPlus and WageBillPlus) are
based on the same ratings as above, but assume that ratings can vary
over the season (so inject a bit more uncertainty)
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Aug 26 22:30:29 2024
Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:40:21 +0000, anders t wrote:
How's it going?
You have mail.
Yes, got it!
I sent in 6 bot predictions. The first three are:
ClubElo: based on pre-season ClubElo ratingsm
TransferMarkt: based on preseason(*) TM ratings
WageBill: based on Fbref/Capology wage bill ratings
The second three (ClubEloPlus, TransferMarktPlus and WageBillPlus) are
based on the same ratings as above, but assume that ratings can vary
over the season (so inject a bit more uncertainty)
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anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Tue Apr 15 10:32:14 2025
Tomorrow, after the Newc-CP game, I plan on updating the standing.
Remind me, should I forget!
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MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Wed Apr 16 23:12:09 2025
On 2025-04-15 02:32, anders t wrote:
Tomorrow, after the Newc-CP game, I plan on updating the standing.
Remind me, should I forget!
My score -26.1577043
"Worst" performers Nottingham FOrest (-9.21) West Ham ( -3.56) Man U (-
2.52). Tottenham (-2.56)
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anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Apr 17 09:11:57 2025
STANDINGS AFTER 32 FULL ROUNDS
WP -28,05231077
MH -28,91428914
JP -29,27225102
AG -30,25211368
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AT -37,75035275 (especially West Ham kills me relative all others)
HUMANS -26,12934233
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Apr 17 09:17:58 2025
Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer:
On 2025-04-15 02:32, anders t wrote:
Tomorrow, after the Newc-CP game, I plan on updating the standing.
Remind me, should I forget!
My score -26.1577043
"Worst" performers Nottingham FOrest (-9.21) West Ham ( -3.56) Man U (- >2.52). Tottenham (-2.56)
Hmm, I get -28 something.
These are your scores according to my sheet:
Arsen -0,597837001
Aston -0,967584026
Bourn -0,215795614
Brent -0,202850848
Brigh -0,281169989
Chels -0,798507696
Cryst -0,174353387
Evert -0,229790594
Fulha -0,302728031
Ipswi -0,776528789
Leice -0,653926467
Liver -1,427116356
MancC -1,470110847
MancU -2,525728644
Newca -1,660731207
Notti -9,210340372
South -0,757152511
Totte -2,558768498
WestH -3,557851192
Wolve -0,545417069
Where's the diff on that case?
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From
Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Apr 17 08:53:30 2025
anders t <
anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
STANDINGS AFTER 32 FULL ROUNDS
WP -28,05231077
MH -28,91428914
JP -29,27225102
AG -30,25211368
----------------------
AT -37,75035275 (especially West Ham kills me relative all others)
Hoisted by your own petard! ;-)
Ciao,
Werner
(what’s so surprising about West Ham‘s season in
the lower third of the table?)
HUMANS -26,12934233
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From
MH@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Apr 17 09:43:07 2025
On 2025-04-17 01:17, anders t wrote:
Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer:
On 2025-04-15 02:32, anders t wrote:
Tomorrow, after the Newc-CP game, I plan on updating the standing.
Remind me, should I forget!
My score -26.1577043
"Worst" performers Nottingham FOrest (-9.21) West Ham ( -3.56) Man U (-
2.52). Tottenham (-2.56)
Hmm, I get -28 something.
No you are right. I did my initial fill out, and reported that number,
then realized I had made a mistake in place two top 5 teams. I
corrected that and did not bother to check that the total had changed.
These are your scores according to my sheet:
Arsen -0,597837001
Aston -0,967584026
Bourn -0,215795614
Brent -0,202850848
Brigh -0,281169989
Chels -0,798507696
Cryst -0,174353387
Evert -0,229790594
Fulha -0,302728031
Ipswi -0,776528789
Leice -0,653926467
Liver -1,427116356
MancC -1,470110847
MancU -2,525728644
Newca -1,660731207
Notti -9,210340372
South -0,757152511
Totte -2,558768498
WestH -3,557851192
Wolve -0,545417069
Where's the diff on that case?
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From
Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to
anders t on Thu Apr 17 14:48:30 2025
On 4/17/2025 3:11 AM, anders t wrote:
STANDINGS AFTER 32 FULL ROUNDS
WP -28,05231077
MH -28,91428914
JP -29,27225102
AG -30,25211368
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AT -37,75035275 (especially West Ham kills me relative all others)
HUMANS -26,12934233
How are the Bots doing?
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Sun May 11 17:25:40 2025
STANDINGS AFTER 36 ROUNDS
(LIVARS won't affect anything)
JP -25,44668120
WP -25,94363887
MH -28,77011053
AG -30,25211368
AT -35,79513385
HUMANS -22,79840048
No bots entered the comp...
Nottingham and Tottenham destroys me. (2 x maxneg)
This is without those two:
MH -13,345162056
WP -13,737566229
AT -17,374453102
JP -20,553828940
AG -25,359261419
HUMANS -15,434094675
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From
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anders t on Sun May 11 22:18:04 2025
On Sun, 11 May 2025 15:25:40 +0000, anders t wrote:
STANDINGS AFTER 36 ROUNDS
(LIVARS won't affect anything)
JP -25,44668120
WP -25,94363887
MH -28,77011053
AG -30,25211368
AT -35,79513385
HUMANS -22,79840048
No bots entered the comp...
What do you mean they didn't? Just scroll up a few messages, and you'll
find your own acknowledgment that you received the bot entries.
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Mon May 12 15:21:23 2025
Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
On Sun, 11 May 2025 15:25:40 +0000, anders t wrote:
STANDINGS AFTER 36 ROUNDS
(LIVARS won't affect anything)
JP -25,44668120
WP -25,94363887
MH -28,77011053
AG -30,25211368
AT -35,79513385
HUMANS -22,79840048
No bots entered the comp...
What do you mean they didn't? Just scroll up a few messages, and you'll
find your own acknowledgment that you received the bot entries.
When you're right, you're right. I even downloaded, but must have forgotten
to put them in my correction sheet. They will be included next time,
whether it's after 37 rounds or final.
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From
Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to
anders t on Mon May 12 10:51:02 2025
anders t <
anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
STANDINGS AFTER 36 ROUNDS
(LIVARS won't affect anything)
JP -25,44668120
WP -25,94363887
MH -28,77011053
AG -30,25211368
AT -35,79513385
HUMANS -22,79840048
No bots entered the comp...
Nottingham and Tottenham destroys me. (2 x maxneg)
This is without those two:
MH -13,345162056
WP -13,737566229
AT -17,374453102
JP -20,553828940
AG -25,359261419
Completely OT, Anders, but I was wondering why
there are suddenly two football teams from Boden
in Division 2 Norrland?
Ciao,
Werner
HUMANS -15,434094675
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Mon May 12 15:24:10 2025
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
Completely OT, Anders, but I was wondering why
there are suddenly two football teams from Boden
in Division 2 Norrland?
No mystery, Boden City got promoted from Div 3!
There are of course a few other teams from in lower leagues.
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From
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anders t on Tue May 13 13:05:39 2025
anders t <
anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
Completely OT, Anders, but I was wondering why
there are suddenly two football teams from Boden
in Division 2 Norrland?
No mystery, Boden City got promoted from Div 3!
There are of course a few other teams from in lower leagues.
I just hope that Boden City isn‘t part of the City Group! :)
Ciao,
Werner
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From
anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Wed May 14 07:25:04 2025
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
anders t <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
Completely OT, Anders, but I was wondering why
there are suddenly two football teams from Boden
in Division 2 Norrland?
No mystery, Boden City got promoted from Div 3!
There are of course a few other teams from in lower leagues.
I just hope that Boden City isn‘t part of the City Group! :)
Haha, no. :-)
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FINAL RESULT!
TMP -21,795657184
CEP -21,910623764
CE_ -22,816791080
TM_ -23,068012369
WBP -23,890558101
JP_ -24,029927630 BEST HUMAN!
WB_ -25,647184135
WP_ -25,848768921
MH_ -28,305972016
AG_ -30,252113677
AT_ -34,397640429
HUMANS -22,021618752 HUMANS UNITE!
BOTS__ -22,083748101
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All on Sun May 25 18:38:01 2025
Standings after _37_ rounds
Now with bots included.
CEP -22,02088919
TMP -22,32194266
CE_ -22,94601195
TM_ -23,98226228
WBP -24,48412407
JP_ -25,44668120
WP_ -25,94363887
WB_ -26,68023981
MH_ -28,77011053
AG_ -30,25211368
AT_ -35,79513385 - MISERIA
BOTS__ -22,54612719
HUMANS -22,79840048
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anders t@21:1/5 to
All on Sun May 25 19:17:08 2025
My entry from worst to best.
NOTTIN -9,210340372
TOTTEN -9,210340372
MANUTD -2,995732274
LIVERP -1,897119985
ASTON -1,41551722
NEWCAS -1,41551722
LEICES -1,078809661
SOUTHA -1,078809661
MANCIT -0,916790857
CHELSE -0,693547261
IPSWIC -0,655466114
ARSENA -0,598200703
WOLVER -0,502857454
BOURNE -0,50071029
CRYSTA -0,50071029
EVERTO -0,355247392
BRENTF -0,355104749
FULHAM -0,355104749
WEST_H -0,346866066
BRIGHT -0,314847741
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From
Jesper Lauridsen@21:1/5 to
Werner Pichler on Sun Jun 1 16:40:33 2025
On 12/05/2025 12.51, Werner Pichler wrote:
Completely OT, Anders, but I was wondering why
there are suddenly two football teams from Boden
in Division 2 Norrland?
Luleå had 2 and Boden didn't want to be overshadowed?
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