I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Europa League SophCon: same as above
ConfLeague SophCon: same as above


Use-the-NT: let's restrict it to just Champions League and Europa
League. MD1 spread out over two weeks.

Armata Brancaleone first draft:
DF: Gatti, Dimarco, Cambiaso, Bellanova
MF: Zaccagni, Lo. Pellegrini, Barella, Frattesi, Brescianini
FW: Retegui(c), Orsolini, Immobile

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:22:12 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Template for UCL SophCon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

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On 2024-09-16 09:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:22:12 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Template for UCL SophCon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

Where should we send them to and by what date ?
Perhaps we should allow entries after the first set of matches is
completed ?

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:44:33 +0000, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-16 09:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:22:12 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Template for UCL SophCon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

Where should we send them to and by what date ?
Perhaps we should allow entries after the first set of matches is
completed ?

That's one possibility. The other is that people just add their
spreadsheet to the Google Sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

(the link should allow you to edit the sheet)

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On 2024-09-17 10:58, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/09/2024 11:52, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 16.09.2024 23:12, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:44:33 +0000, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-16 09:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:22:12 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous
years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following: >>>>>>
Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Template for UCL SophCon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

Where should we send them to and by what date ?
Perhaps we should allow entries after the first set of matches is
completed ?

That's one possibility. The other is that people just add their
spreadsheet to the Google Sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

(the link should allow you to edit the sheet)

I've added my entry to the Google Sheet.

Ciao,
Werner

 Done with my entry, too. A few minutes late, but not looking at scores.

I have added an entry to the spreadsheet or at least I think so. Not
very good at that stuff. I saved a copy to my computer. I assume I am
a bit late as Jesus says he was, but I have no idea when the matches
start today or who is even playing. Cancelled my DAZN subscription and
have not looked at any news or sports all morning as I was away for
medical appointments.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:48:31 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

I've added my entry to the Google Sheet.

Ciao,
Werner

 Done with my entry, too. A few minutes late, but not looking at
scores.

WP, MH and JP and AG entries are valid.

I have seen the scores of the two early matches and the score after 10
minutes of the late matches, so I guess I'll have to pass on my entry.

I'll try to get in ClubElo and TM entries at some later stage.

Or, we could just allow everybody to update their entries after the
conclusion of MD1 (I think we did that at least once with the SophCon)

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On 17/09/2024 16.53, Werner Pichler wrote:

I had overlooked this message when I replied to the Use-The-NT thread.

Can we do it the other way I suggested in the other message?
7 matchdays starting October 1, include all three competitions, ignore
the 'Conference League teams freeze to death' week in December.

I think skipping the first CL and EL match is better anyway because at
least for myself I can definitely state I need it for orientation.

I certainly need some time to figure out what the options are. Haaland
as captain, and Gyokeres (Sporting) for the Vikings. Load up on starting
Bayern players for the Flickers.

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On 17/09/2024 16.53, Werner Pichler wrote:

I think skipping the first CL and EL match is better anyway because at
least for myself I can definitely state I need it for orientation.

Captain Harry for the Bungs and then whatever.

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On 2024-09-17 12:48, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/09/2024 13:58, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/09/2024 11:52, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 16.09.2024 23:12, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:44:33 +0000, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-16 09:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:22:12 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous >>>>>>> years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the
following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Template for UCL SophCon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

Where should we send them to and by what date ?
Perhaps we should allow entries after the first set of matches is
completed ?

That's one possibility. The other is that people just add their
spreadsheet to the Google Sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

(the link should allow you to edit the sheet)

I've added my entry to the Google Sheet.

Ciao,
Werner

  Done with my entry, too. A few minutes late, but not looking at scores.

 Copying here:

Arsenal            0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11
Aston Villa        0.24    0.28    0.25    0.23 Atalanta        0.24    0.28    0.25    0.23
Atlético Madrid        0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11 Barcelona        0.4    0.35    0.22    0.03
Bayer Leverkusen    0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11
Bayern Munich        0.4    0.35    0.22    0.03 Benfica            0.16    0.2    0.26    0.38 Bologna            0.16    0.2    0.26    0.38
Borussia Dortmund    0.29    0.3    0.27    0.14 Brest            0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58 Celtic            0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Club Brugge        0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Dinamo Zagreb        0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58 Feyenoord        0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58 Girona            0.2    0.25    0.25    0.3
Inter Milan        0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11 Juventus        0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11 Lille            0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58 Liverpool        0.4    0.35    0.22    0.03
Manchester City        0.47    0.39    0.13    0.01 Milan            0.33    0.3    0.26    0.11 Monaco            0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Paris Saint-Germain    0.32    0.28    0.28    0.12
PSV Eindhoven        0.2    0.25    0.25    0.3
RB Leipzig        0.24    0.25    0.25    0.26
Real Madrid        0.47    0.39    0.13    0.01
Red Bull Salzburg    0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Red Star Belgrade    0.1    0.12    0.19    0.59
Shakhtar Donetsk    0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Slovan Bratislava    0.1    0.12    0.19    0.59
Sparta Prague        0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
Sporting CP        0.16    0.2    0.27    0.37
Sturm Graz        0.11    0.12    0.19    0.58
VfB Stuttgart        0.16    0.2    0.27    0.37
Young Boys        0.1    0.12    0.19    0.59

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

Mine is:

MH
TeamID Team Top8 Pos_916 Pos_1724 Pos_2536 Sum
1 Arsenal 0.5 0.3 0.16 0.04 1 OK
2 Aston Villa 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.2 1 OK
3 Atalanta 0.2 0.3 0.2 0.3 1 OK
4 Atlético Madrid 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.1 1 OK
5 Barcelona 0.65 0.25 0.08 0.02 1 OK
6 Bayer Leverkus 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 1 OK
7 Bayern Munich 0.6 0.3 0.08 0.02 1 OK
8 Benfica 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.3 1 OK
9 Bologna 0.05 0.15 0.35 0.45 1 OK
10 BorussiaDortmu 0.13 0.31 0.2 0.36 1 OK
11 Brest 0.01 0.09 0.15 0.75 1 OK
12 Celtic 0.02 0.08 0.15 0.75 1 OK
13 Club Brugge 0.05 0.25 0.3 0.4 1 OK
14 Dinamo Zagreb 0.05 0.25 0.3 0.4 1 OK
15 Feyenoord 0.1 0.25 0.25 0.4 1 OK
16 Girona 0.05 0.2 0.32 0.43 1 OK
17 Inter Milan 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.1 1 OK
18 Juventus 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.1 1 OK
19 Lille 0.03 0.22 0.35 0.4 1 OK
20 Liverpool 0.5 0.3 0.15 0.05 1 OK
21 Manchester City 0.7 0.2 0.09 0.01 1 OK
22 Milan 0.2 0.3 0.25 0.25 1 OK
23 Monaco 0.2 0.3 0.25 0.25 1 OK
24 ParisSaint-Ger 0.7 0.2 0.09 0.01 1 OK
25 PSV Eindhoven 0.1 0.3 0.3 0.3 1 OK
26 RB Leipzig 0.2 0.35 0.2 0.25 1 OK
27 Real Madrid 0.65 0.3 0.04 0.01 1 OK
28 RedBullSalzburg 0.02 0.08 0.35 0.55 1 OK
29 RedStarBelgrade 0.01 0.02 0.27 0.7 1 OK
30 ShakhtarDonetsk 0.05 0.1 0.2 0.65 1 OK
31 SlovanBratislava0.01 0.02 0.07 0.9 1 OK
32 Sparta Prague 0.02 0.08 0.35 0.55 1 OK
33 Sporting CP 0.15 0.2 0.3 0.35 1 OK
34 Sturm Graz 0.02 0.08 0.35 0.55 1 OK
35 VfB Stuttgart 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 1 OK
36 Young Boys 0.03 0.12 0.35 0.5 1 OK
8 8 8 12
OK OK OK OK

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:30:53 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:48:31 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

I've added my entry to the Google Sheet.

Ciao,
Werner

 Done with my entry, too. A few minutes late, but not looking at
scores.

WP, MH and JP and AG entries are valid.

I have seen the scores of the two early matches and the score after 10 minutes of the late matches, so I guess I'll have to pass on my entry.

I'll try to get in ClubElo and TM entries at some later stage.

Added to the spreadsheet my own manual prediction as if it had been
pre-kickoff (so hors-de-concours), and ClubElo, TransferMarkt and UEFA

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:39:36 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Added to the spreadsheet my own manual prediction as if it had been pre-kickoff (so hors-de-concours), and ClubElo, TransferMarkt and UEFA

Europa League Google spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XYuwNCN7pcJHKWkOKoeOzXfWlsNjzv2nnerVkhl8wDk/edit?usp=sharing

Entries so far:
Agnostic

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:00:28 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:39:36 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Added to the spreadsheet my own manual prediction as if it had been
pre-kickoff (so hors-de-concours), and ClubElo, TransferMarkt and UEFA

Europa League Google spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XYuwNCN7pcJHKWkOKoeOzXfWlsNjzv2nnerVkhl8wDk/edit?usp=sharing

Entries so far:
Agnostic

Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:12:47 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

That's one possibility. The other is that people just add their
spreadsheet to the Google Sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1Txs2MYHEfKKDDBr4q1OlSTH0JVkAK7UDoVlorB87I/edit?usp=sharing

UCL link now includes master spreadsheet and Standings sheet. Standings
after MD1:

Name Log Brier RPS
Jesus Petry -45.470 24.731 20.358
CollectiveConsciousness -47.242 25.473 20.899
TransferMarkt -48.914 25.578 21.077
Agnostic -49.281 26.667 23.111
ClubElo -50.184 26.802 22.533
MH -50.783 27.323 22.203
Futbolmetrix -52.573 26.588 22.108
Werner Pichler -53.016 26.826 22.397
UEFA -53.803 27.505 23.584

A crowded Hall of Shame for the moment

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On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:48:43 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:00:28 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:39:36 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Added to the spreadsheet my own manual prediction as if it had been
pre-kickoff (so hors-de-concours), and ClubElo, TransferMarkt and UEFA

Europa League Google spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XYuwNCN7pcJHKWkOKoeOzXfWlsNjzv2nnerVkhl8wDk/edit?usp=sharing

Entries so far:
Agnostic

Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)

Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)
ClubElo
TransferMarkt
UEFA

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On 2024-09-23 05:36, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:48:43 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:00:28 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:39:36 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Added to the spreadsheet my own manual prediction as if it had been
pre-kickoff (so hors-de-concours), and ClubElo, TransferMarkt and UEFA

Europa League Google spreadsheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
d/1XYuwNCN7pcJHKWkOKoeOzXfWlsNjzv2nnerVkhl8wDk/edit?usp=sharing

Entries so far:
Agnostic

Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)

Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)
ClubElo
TransferMarkt
UEFA

This does not start until Weds, right ?

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:57:33 +0000, MH wrote:


[UEL SophCon List of participants snipped]

This does not start until Weds, right ?

Yes, correct

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On 2024-09-24 08:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:57:33 +0000, MH wrote:

[UEL SophCon List of participants snipped]

This does not start until Weds, right ?

Yes, correct

Trying to do this but on both the online version and a downloaded file
the summing up of columns and OK message for correct tallies is not
working for some reason.

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On 2024-09-24 14:00, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-24 08:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:57:33 +0000, MH wrote:


[UEL SophCon List of participants snipped]

This does not start until Weds, right ?

Yes, correct

Trying to do this but on both the online version and a downloaded file
the summing up of columns and OK message for correct tallies is not
working for some reason.

Looking at Werner's sheet it seems to be adding up OK (mine is not), but
is giving OK for lines that don't equal 1.

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On 2024-09-24 17:26, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 25.09.2024 00:42, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 25.09.2024 00:21, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-24 14:00, MH wrote:

On 2024-09-24 08:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:57:33 +0000, MH wrote:


[UEL SophCon List of participants snipped]

This does not start until Weds, right ?

Yes, correct

Trying to do this but on both the online version and a downloaded
file the summing up of columns and OK message for correct tallies is
not working for some reason.

Looking at Werner's sheet it seems to be adding up OK (mine is not),
but is giving OK for lines that don't equal 1.

That's because I added the sum formulas by hand, but nothing else.

Entry completed.

I had to do the same, sum the formulas myself in Excel.
Here are my predictions, in case they don't paste in properly

MH
TeamID Team Top8 Pos_916 Pos_1724 Pos_2536 Sum
1 Ajax 0.35 0.35 0.2 0.1 1 OK
2 Anderlecht 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.3 1 OK
3 Athletic Bilbao 0.5 0.3 0.1 0.1 1 OK
4 AZ 0.25 0.25 0.3 0.2 1 OK
5 Beşiktaş 0.15 0.15 0.3 0.4 1 OK
6 Bodø/Glimt 0.15 0.15 0.3 0.4 1 OK
7 Braga 0.25 0.25 0.2 0.3 1 OK
8 Dynamo Kyiv 0.15 0.2 0.35 0.3 1 OK
9 Eintracht Frankfurt 0.4 0.3 0.2 0.1 1 OK
10 FCSB 0.05 0.15 0.2 0.6 1 OK
11 Fenerbahçe 0.15 0.15 0.2 0.5 1 OK
12 Ferencváros 0.05 0.1 0.15 0.7 1 OK
13 Galatasaray 0.25 0.25 0.2 0.3 1 OK
14 IF Elfsborg 0.05 0.1 0.25 0.6 1 OK
15 Lazio 0.45 0.35 0.1 0.1 1 OK
16 Ludogorets Razgrad 0.05 0.1 0.25 0.6 1 OK
17 Lyon 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 1 OK
18 Maccabi Tel Aviv 0.01 0.09 0.3 0.6 1 OK
19 Malmö FF 0.02 0.08 0.3 0.6 1 OK
20 Manchester United 0.55 0.25 0.1 0.1 1 OK
21 Midtjylland 0.02 0.08 0.3 0.6 1 OK
22 Nice 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 1 OK
23 Olympiacos 0.15 0.2 0.25 0.4 1 OK
24 PAOK 0.05 0.15 0.4 0.4 1 OK
25 Porto 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.1 1 OK
26 Qarabağ 0.05 0.1 0.15 0.7 1 OK
27 Rangers 0.25 0.25 0.2 0.3 1 OK
28 Real Sociedad 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.1 1 OK
29 RFS 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.5 1 OK
30 Roma 0.5 0.3 0.1 0.1 1 OK
31 Slavia Prague 0.15 0.25 0.3 0.3 1 OK
32 Tottenham Hotspur 0.55 0.25 0.1 0.1 1 OK
33 TSG Hoffenheim 0.35 0.25 0.2 0.2 1 OK
34 Twente 0.15 0.25 0.3 0.3 1 OK
35 Union Saint-Gilloise 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.3 1 OK
36 Viktoria Plzeň 0.05 0.35 0.3 0.3 1 OK
8 8 8 12
OK OK OK OK

Ciao,
Werner

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:57:33 +0000, MH wrote:

UEL SophCon:


Entries so far:
Agnostic
Futbolmetrix (manual)
ClubElo
TransferMarkt
UEFA
Werner
Jesus
MH

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On 2024-09-16 09:22, Futbolmetrix wrote:

I don't think I'll be able to manage these as I have in previous years.
But, if we want to go ahead with them, I would suggest the following:

Champions League SophCon: 4 categories for each team
- Top 8 (playoff round bye)
- 9-16 (playoff round seeded)
- 17-24 (playoff round unseeded)
- 25-36 (eliminated)

Europa League SophCon: same as above
ConfLeague SophCon: same as above

Did I miss a spreadsheet for this?

Use-the-NT: let's restrict it to just Champions League and Europa
League. MD1 spread out over two weeks.

Are we going with just the Champions League and Europa league or all three ? Lineups due on Tuesday before matches ?

Armata Brancaleone first draft:
DF: Gatti, Dimarco, Cambiaso, Bellanova
MF: Zaccagni, Lo. Pellegrini, Barella, Frattesi, Brescianini
FW: Retegui(c), Orsolini, Immobile

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 5:00:47 +0000, MH wrote:

I had to do the same, sum the formulas myself in Excel.
Here are my predictions, in case they don't paste in properly

Ugh, I see what the problem was. The formulas weren't copied to Aggie's spreadsheet. Sorry about that.

In any case, the Google sheet has been updated with the MASTER and
Standings spreadsheet.

UEL Sophcon Standings after MD1:

Log Brier RPS Name
-45.776 21.868 19.344 CollectiveConsciousness
-46.898 22.760 20.463 Jesus Petry
-47.298 22.557 19.063 MH
-47.602 21.879 19.533 Werner Pichler
-47.869 22.413 20.329 ClubElo
-47.942 22.431 20.834 Futbolmetrix
-49.281 24.167 21.861 Agnostic
-51.489 24.484 22.434 TransferMarkt
-54.124 25.681 23.095 UEFA

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:00:04 +0000, MH wrote:

Trying to do this but on both the online version and a downloaded file
the summing up of columns and OK message for correct tallies is not
working for some reason.

Your entry on the Google sheet looks just fine.

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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:46:56 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

SophCon standings after MD2

UCL Standings
---------------
Log Brier RPS Name
-43.455 23.208 18.435 Werner Pichler
-43.457 23.646 18.527 CollectiveConsciousness
-43.622 23.553 18.908 ClubElo
-45.178 23.883 19.038 TransferMarkt
-45.395 24.891 19.718 Jesus Petry
-46.484 24.883 19.563 MH
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-49.676 26.408 20.328 Futbolmetrix
-50.545 25.737 21.670 UEFA

Very, very slim advantage of Werner over CC. I have been left alone with
UEFA in the Hall of Shame.


UEL standings
-------------
Log Brier RPS Name
-49.711 27.060 21.788 Jesus Petry
-50.005 26.957 21.975 CollectiveConsciousness
-50.092 27.111 22.444 Agnostic
-51.052 27.197 22.513 MH
-51.419 27.281 23.474 Futbolmetrix
-54.243 28.040 22.895 ClubElo
-54.351 28.142 23.423 Werner Pichler
-55.129 29.339 24.349 TransferMarkt
-63.435 31.542 28.814 UEFA

Just Jesus and CC not in the Hall of Shame

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On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 19:06:02 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

I'm curious. Why doesn't Aggie have the same scores in both
competitions?

Good catch. There was a mistake in the UEL master sheet (may I should
automate the entry of zeros and ones?).

The correct UEL SophCon standings are:

Log Brier RPS Name
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-50.969 27.790 24.468 Jesus Petry
-53.124 28.867 25.898 CollectiveConsciousness
-54.656 29.421 25.294 Futbolmetrix
-55.686 29.797 26.513 MH
-56.696 29.052 26.533 Werner Pichler
-57.938 29.174 27.266 UEFA
-59.947 29.734 26.783 ClubElo
-68.176 32.724 32.391 TransferMarkt

OK, maybe not such a good catch from your perspective, Jesus...

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On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 11:16:56 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:46:56 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

SophCon standings after MD2

SophCon standings after MD3

UCL
--------------------------------
-45.144 24.577 20.061 ClubElo
-45.884 24.906 20.040 CollectiveConsciousness
-46.126 25.077 19.918 TransferMarkt
-46.562 25.331 20.958 Jesus Petry
-47.096 25.683 20.483 MH
-49.234 25.654 20.605 Werner Pichler
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-51.250 26.208 20.948 Futbolmetrix
-56.533 28.854 25.277 UEFA

Still in the Hall of Shame. By the way, the standings are still very
volatile, so this can all change substantially down the road.


UEL
--------------------------------
Log Brier RPS Name
-45.306 24.823 19.791 CollectiveConsciousness
-45.431 25.120 19.714 ClubElo
-46.696 25.400 21.098 Jesus Petry
-47.220 25.881 21.034 Futbolmetrix
-48.206 25.617 20.873 MH
-48.304 26.554 21.406 TransferMarkt
-48.347 25.682 21.213 Werner Pichler
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-54.088 28.108 24.132 UEFA

Loks like ClubElo and CollectiveConsciousness have this, UEFA not so
much...

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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:29:43 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 11:16:56 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:46:56 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

SophCon standings after MD2

SophCon standings after MD3

SophCon standings after MD5

Champions League
----------------

Log Brier RPS Name
-43.504 23.268 18.040 TransferMarkt
-44.714 23.611 18.515 CollectiveConsciousness
-44.811 24.098 19.178 ClubElo
-45.683 25.051 19.778 Jesus Petry
-46.457 23.662 17.561 Werner Pichler
-49.031 24.503 19.643 MH
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-50.198 25.178 19.988 Futbolmetrix
-54.918 26.560 23.383 UEFA


Europa League
--------------
Log Brier RPS Name
-43.418 24.257 19.013 MH
-44.133 24.370 19.128 CollectiveConsciousness
-45.686 25.694 19.536 TransferMarkt
-45.993 25.014 19.955 ClubElo
-46.094 25.000 20.468 Jesus Petry
-46.644 25.012 21.213 Werner Pichler
-47.792 26.561 21.174 Futbolmetrix
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic
-49.309 26.523 21.497 UEFA

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 0:31:19 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

Final SophCon Standings:

Europa League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-41.482 22.857 17.413 MH
-42.336 23.080 17.819 CollectiveConsciousness
-43.602 23.693 18.539 ClubElo
-43.757 23.773 18.640 TransferMarkt
-43.890 24.021 18.694 Futbolmetrix
-45.463 24.580 19.968 Jesus Petry
-46.012 24.872 20.253 Werner Pichler
-47.246 25.838 20.698 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

MH can't stop winning!


Champions League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-36.445 20.704 13.571 Werner Pichler
-37.384 20.568 14.284 TransferMarkt
-39.250 21.722 14.967 CollectiveConsciousness
-39.879 21.781 15.782 ClubElo
-41.662 23.151 16.778 Jesus Petry
-42.593 23.823 16.583 MH
-42.916 23.638 16.368 Futbolmetrix
-47.659 25.432 19.376 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

At least not in the CL. Congrats, Werner!


No Hall Of Shame in either of the competitions

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:51:20 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 0:31:19 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

Final SophCon Standings:

Europa League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-41.482 22.857 17.413 MH
-42.336 23.080 17.819 CollectiveConsciousness
-43.602 23.693 18.539 ClubElo
-43.757 23.773 18.640 TransferMarkt
-43.890 24.021 18.694 Futbolmetrix
-45.463 24.580 19.968 Jesus Petry
-46.012 24.872 20.253 Werner Pichler
-47.246 25.838 20.698 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

MH can't stop winning!

Champions League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-36.445 20.704 13.571 Werner Pichler
-37.384 20.568 14.284 TransferMarkt
-39.250 21.722 14.967 CollectiveConsciousness
-39.879 21.781 15.782 ClubElo
-41.662 23.151 16.778 Jesus Petry
-42.593 23.823 16.583 MH
-42.916 23.638 16.368 Futbolmetrix
-47.659 25.432 19.376 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

At least not in the CL. Congrats, Werner!

No Hall Of Shame in either of the competitions

MH extends his overall lead in the Hall of Sophistication, Werner
catches Anders in third place.

MH 14
Jesper Lauridsen 9
Anders T 8
Werner Pichler 8
Futbolmetrix 7
Club Elo 7
Jesus Petry 7
TransferMarkt 6
FiveThirtyEight 5
Binder Dundat 5
7h@ch 3
Jack C 3
Jussi Uosukainen 3
fitbawnumbers 2
Jimmy Featherstone 2
Clement 2
Silver Aurora 2
AQB 2
ruud 2
ClubElo/ClubTM 1
Lorenzo Carli 1
MMcC 1
Gronaldo 1
FiveThirtyEight Minus 1
Tim Hooper 1
Red 1
Voros McCracken 1
dopemodels 1
Abubakr 1
EuroClubIndex 1
Colin 1
Konakalab 1
Remiqz 1
Matthias Muehlich 1
Dec Tech 1
Pseudo FiveThirtyEight 1
FIFA (implemented by Futbolmetrix 1
Pinnacle (by Futbolmetrix) 1
Agnostic 1
Renato Guadagnolo 1
La Violeta 1

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Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 0:31:19 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

Final SophCon Standings:

Europa League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-41.482 22.857 17.413 MH
-42.336 23.080 17.819 CollectiveConsciousness
-43.602 23.693 18.539 ClubElo
-43.757 23.773 18.640 TransferMarkt
-43.890 24.021 18.694 Futbolmetrix
-45.463 24.580 19.968 Jesus Petry
-46.012 24.872 20.253 Werner Pichler
-47.246 25.838 20.698 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

MH can't stop winning!

Champions League:

Log Brier RPS Name
-36.445 20.704 13.571 Werner Pichler
-37.384 20.568 14.284 TransferMarkt
-39.250 21.722 14.967 CollectiveConsciousness
-39.879 21.781 15.782 ClubElo
-41.662 23.151 16.778 Jesus Petry
-42.593 23.823 16.583 MH
-42.916 23.638 16.368 Futbolmetrix
-47.659 25.432 19.376 UEFA
-49.281 26.667 23.111 Agnostic

At least not in the CL. Congrats, Werner!

No Hall Of Shame in either of the competitions

A sweep for the humans against the bots.
That‘s a plus for the new system in my book!


Ciao,
Werner

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